OP, did you know that in 0.0 the ONLY way for you to make money to survive is to kill rats while there are no bad people in local ...

and that there are some bad people who will then decide to jump in those systems and stay there .. like ... forever? And cloaked, so that nobody can kill them?! Now people can't make money!!


So really ... there are far worse exploits to deal with!!

The exploit is abusing a game mechanic to gain an unfair advantage over a player. Someone stupidly said "you have to earn salvage" - if it wasn't for my guns blowing up that ship, there would be no salvage to collect. Therefore, I earned it. It's mine. Funny how loot can be yours but not salvage, that doesn't make sense. Something's that PASSIVE and should be ACTIVE:

When they steal your loot they ACTIVELY have an aggression countdown for theft. When they steal your salvage NOTHING happens - therefore the result is entirely passive. Like I said, its loose loose, either shoot and get ganked or let them have it and watch your hard work get taken right from under your nose. Dishonorable, weak, lame, and generally poor.

Not sure if troll...



or genuine butthurt.

"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."

Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.

Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.

Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.

Had a chat with some designers this evening.
Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private.
They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.

Or that people are actually getting butthurt that someone is in their mission hoovering up the least valuable stuff.

Mr Epeen

depends on the NPC faction - some are not so less valuable.

GǪof course, the funny part is that back when salvage was worth something, the salvage whines mainly came from MRs in Caldari space, which consistently had the least valuable salvage.

Oh, I don't know. It's pretty much equally awful at this point. The days of 1M+ trit bars and armour plates are long goneGǪ

GǪof course, the funny part is that back when salvage was worth something, the salvage whines mainly came from MRs in Caldari space, which consistently had the least valuable salvage.

Risking to state the obvious, but of course those with the least will whine the most when even that is taken away from them.

What is really funny is that the "professional" ninja salvager makes more ISK per hour than most mission runners (some days up to 80m/h), while using 1/10th of the skill points.

+1 for making salvaging pull aggro.

Of course, the really awesome thing to do would be to make it so that ninja-salvaging or -looting had a small percentage chance of causing an IMMENSE EXPLOSION, that would kill everything in the room. Ninja, mission runner, rats, and wrecks all go out in a blaze of glory.

If they wanted to make it EXTRA awesome, the explosions should be visible system-wide.

what i fail to understand, is, if you return fire to a thief, how his bum buddies can warp in & gank you. Its got nothing to do with them, regardless. So that "bug" needs fixing right there for a start.....

.... & if my mate is getting ***** slapped, i'd probably laugh, & leave him to suffer the consequences.

They didn't have the least, though. They had plenty (high bounties and mass-volume LP tends to keep the cash rolling in at high speed) and got upset when an insignificant (and actually loss-creating) margin was taken away from them.

This is what we get when people aren't able to log into WoW. I thought I'd seen the last of these a good year or more ago.

Not this again...

what i fail to understand, is, if you return fire to a thief, how his bum buddies can warp in & gank you.