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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2012.09.02 02:12:00 -
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One more thread will surely settle this issue once and for all. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1290
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Posted - 2012.09.02 04:52:00 -
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Elinarien wrote:Sometimes I don't mind people helping themselves to salvage. For example today i was doing Angel Extrav on my main and I just could not be bothered to think about going back in the noctis and picking over the wrecks. So when I was joined in the last room by a salvager I just abandoned all the wrecks and said he could help himself. Seems such a shame to let it all go to waste. Is there a stage for missions where you're better off killing, turning in and grabbing another one rather than salvaging?
When my market alt starts grinding missions maybe I'll remember to abandon the wrecks... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
890
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Posted - 2012.09.02 04:58:00 -
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2 posts, 7 pages and the OP has pulled off a successful troll. You can all pack up and go home now. My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |

Michael Orlais
Cornucopia Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2012.09.02 06:07:00 -
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MetalDev wrote:Yes, they're annoying, yes they're carebears who prey on mission runners, and yes most of them are cowards and won't fight 1v1. These things we know.
Funny, I was under the impression that the mission runners were carebears.  |

KLizMaN
Viziam Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.09.04 23:55:00 -
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I've been playing eve for 9 years and have only been ninja salvaged once. I don't understand how people can be so stupid. I mean it really isn't a difficult thing to avoid. Tbh these threads actually make me want to start ninja salvaging.... KLizMaN
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Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.09.04 23:58:00 -
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The most annoying thing is if you're in the middle of a fight and a ninja salvager turns up and starts to loot, you still have the aggro. Wouldn't it be great if the aggro switched to the newcomer. |

Adalynne Rohks
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
233
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:16:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:The most annoying thing is if you're in the middle of a fight and a ninja salvager turns up and starts to loot, you still have the aggro. Wouldn't it be great if the aggro switched to the newcomer.
LoL.
LoL'ing isn't trolling, right...?
p.s. You can switch the aggro to the newcomer. Every right click in space and try warping out? Idealy, while said ninja is close to a horde battleships/battlecruisers...? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9351
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:23:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Is there a stage for missions where you're better off killing, turning in and grabbing another one rather than salvaging? I'd say somewhere around the time when you're getting, oh, 25M ISK/h or so from bounties and LP alone. That would be roughly around the same time as you're flying a properly fitted mission ship (i.e. you're no longer in a T1-fitted BS or BC). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:26:00 -
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Adalynne Rohks wrote:Sabrina Solette wrote:The most annoying thing is if you're in the middle of a fight and a ninja salvager turns up and starts to loot, you still have the aggro. Wouldn't it be great if the aggro switched to the newcomer. LoL. LoL'ing isn't trolling, right...? p.s. You can switch the aggro to the newcomer. Every right click in space and try warping out? Idealy, while said ninja is close to a horde battleships/battlecruisers...?
That one was a bit tongue in check, only happened to me once and all I did was tank the mobs whilst destroying the wreaks before the ninja got to them. But the point was that aggro remains on you regardless what else is there unless you leave the area. |

Adalynne Rohks
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
233
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:33:00 -
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What rationale could there possibly be, for a change like that? The Angel Cartel suddenly doesn't mind that you blew up all their friends?
"OOOHH!!! There's a ninja, let's stop going after that guy with 8 large blasters pointed at us, and kill that little pest in his frig......!!!!!"
"He looks SUPER annoying!!!"
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Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:45:00 -
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Adalynne Rohks wrote:What rationale could there possibly be, for a change like that? The Angel Cartel suddenly doesn't mind that you blew up all their friends? "OOOHH!!! There's a ninja, let's stop going after that guy with 8 large blasters pointed at us, and kill that little pest in his frig......!!!!!" "He looks SUPER annoying!!!" 
The aggro could be split, unless it's just one ship of course. Would make it more interesting also more interesting when it came to using drones. |

EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:58:00 -
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ninja salvage, lame yes, Exploit no |

Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.09.05 03:44:00 -
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Normally I'm the first to defend the carebear lifestyle against the epeen queens, but in this particular case I have to join the HTFU chorus. Salvaging is a bad use of your time if you're a mission-runner in most cases; it only becomes worth it if you have a corpie or alt following directly behind you in a Noctis, cleaning up the mess you leave behind. And even then, salvaging is still a waste until you get to level III missions. If there's some poor schlub out there who desperately needs the crappy loot you normally get from missions, I say: let him have it. He obviously needs it more than me. If I get an officer spawn who might have faction items I'll loot and salvage that wreck, but that's about it.
If I have time after running a mission, I'll abandon my wrecks just so someone else can have them if they want them. Same with dead rats in the belts. The stuff's going to go poof at downtime anyway.
As far as pointless d-baggery goes, can-flipping is way more irritating than ninja salvaging is. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1297
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Posted - 2012.09.05 04:26:00 -
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Idris Helion wrote:If I have time after running a mission, I'll abandon my wrecks just so someone else can have them if they want them. Same with dead rats in the belts. The stuff's going to go poof at downtime anyway. In 2 hours they go poof anyway. Any salvaging newbie knows that 
At least they do in anoms. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
685
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:29:00 -
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Not this again, as CCP have mentioned more times than I care to remember "Salvage isn't yours until you salvage it.! God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |

Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:37:00 -
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Signal11th wrote:Not this again, as CCP have mentioned more times than I care to remember "Salvage isn't yours until you salvage it.!
I think they'll always be confusion over this.
Problem being the wreak is made up of two parts the loot and salvage and the wreak has the ticker of the corp it belongs too, clearly shown.
Edit: Maybe it would have been better to have wreaks that had no loot, be shown blue with no corp attached to it. |

Alice Saki
4558
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:39:00 -
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Ninja Salvagers are Awesome.
Nuff Said. Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc Yulai Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 12:24:00 -
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James 315 wrote:So you want to eliminate ninja salvagers' fun because you want more risk-free, effortless space money. Okay. 
ninjasalvagers money is also risk-free and even more efforless. bumping exhumers is also fun, im sure, but very risk free. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1302
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Posted - 2012.09.06 12:25:00 -
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McBorsk wrote:James 315 wrote:So you want to eliminate ninja salvagers' fun because you want more risk-free, effortless space money. Okay.  ninjasalvagers money is also risk-free and even more efforless. bumping exhumers is also fun, im sure, but very risk free. Maybe you should get into it as well, since you're sure it's both fun and risk-free. Two wonderful things in EVE Online.
(Now with added NPC Corps) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1327
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Posted - 2012.09.06 12:37:00 -
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When can i enroll with the Guristas so that i can shoot at all the hisec mission runners that continue to destroy peacful trading hubs and mining colonies? TK is recruiting |

Jonah Gravenstein
1071
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:46:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Idris Helion wrote:If I have time after running a mission, I'll abandon my wrecks just so someone else can have them if they want them. Same with dead rats in the belts. The stuff's going to go poof at downtime anyway. In 2 hours they go poof anyway. Any salvaging newbie knows that  At least they do in anoms.
Same with mission wrecks, they go poof after 2 hrs and a couple of minutes, I think they're on the same timer as jetcans. Ninjas are welcome to the wrecks, they have to beat Pro Synergy to them though as I contract the bookmarks to them. CCP can't patch stupid. |

Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
66
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:55:00 -
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If u can't defend it, it isn't yours
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Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy
105
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:05:00 -
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Blow up all the wrecks (they target!) I like my coffee like I like my men. In a plastic cup http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/ |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4528
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:19:00 -
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"ninja salvaging" is specifically intended gameplay and precisely what CCP had in mind when the introduced salvage. Salvage was explictly not intended as part of the mission reward.
So it is the exact opposite of an "exploit". Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
127
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Posted - 2012.09.06 15:22:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:"ninja salvaging" is specifically intended gameplay and precisely what CCP had in mind when the introduced salvage. Salvage was explictly not intended as part of the mission reward.
So it is the exact opposite of an "exploit".
Really if the missioner takes the salvage its an exploit tbh.
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Lord Wamphyri
Starside Lost
163
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Posted - 2012.09.06 15:40:00 -
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If this is a troll, then 9/10 - only misses out on the 10 for lack of blue bars..
However, if not.. Once upon a time people could come and steal 'your' loot from the cargo cans dropped from dead rats with no aggression or flag. However people whined and moaned, and eventually CCP made it so that stealing from cans made you a target. How the people rejoiced, when they thought that they'd be able to teach these pesky thieves a lesson!
Look how that turned out...
And you want to make history repeat itself?
On second thought, +1 to the idea if it has the same effect in creating more targets..  [IMG]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/ChrisW73/WampsigFinal.jpg[/IMG]
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Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
685
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Posted - 2012.09.06 15:58:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:Signal11th wrote:Not this again, as CCP have mentioned more times than I care to remember "Salvage isn't yours until you salvage it.! I think they'll always be confusion over this. Problem being the wreak is made up of two parts the loot and salvage and the wreak has the ticker of the corp it belongs too, clearly shown. Edit: Maybe it would have been better to have wreaks that had no loot, be shown blue with no corp attached to it.
No real confusion, the wreck to salvage is anyones. The loot inside the wreck is yours, If someone steals it then they get flagged and you can shoot them. Whether or not you want to is then your problem.
Both mechanics work perfectly as intended. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |

Lugia3
Shydow Imperium
26
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Posted - 2012.09.08 03:53:00 -
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Posting in a carebear thread. Will sell wallet space for ISK. |

Vertinox
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.08 06:25:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:2) Shoot your wrecks. If they're after salvage, blow up any wreck they approach. It's a clear message that they won't profit and they won't get fights. Again, they'll go in search of easier targets.
This. I actually rarely salvage my own wrecks, but if someone shows up and starts salvaging, I pop the wrecks just to spite them. |

Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
255
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Posted - 2012.09.08 11:10:00 -
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Don't fly missions in jita... New inventory: Getting better since version 1.2, but what about back and forward buttons? |
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