Yes, they're annoying, yes they're carebears who prey on mission runners, and yes most of them are cowards and won't fight 1v1. These things we know.

But I thought of it like this. If you pop an NPC and the wreck contains loot - they can steal it. Stealing constitutes taking items from a container that do not belong to you. Salvaged components are items. Salvaged components are contained within a wreck. And yet when someone is salvaging your wrecks and not looting them, they don't get any punishment for it. What it comes down to is them using a module to take your items from a container that you created by destroying an enemy. Anywhere else in EVE this is illegal and results in an aggression countdown. Why not with salvaging? Because some Dev somewhere wrote "CONCORD considers wrecks to be communal junk, anyone can have junk"? Seems legit...

And then of course we move on to everyone's favorite - the real reason its an exploit. Let's say you choose to fight back. I've one shotted many a T1 frigate or destroyer and gotten away with it. 99.9% of the time they either return with a PVP fit ship and a few friends, or all of their friends who were waiting warp in and gank you, you loose everything. My point here is there's nothing - literally nothing you can do about it. You can attack - you might pop one or maybe two of them, but you'll be ganked, scrammed, and pop goes your ship. You loose.

Or you can give in, just let them have all your loot and salvage. They'll make lots of money, you'll have wasted a lot of time and lost isk. You loose. It seems a poorly balanced system where the people making their isk legitimately have absolutely no recourse or defense against having people blatantly steal from them. They want you to try to defend yourself so that they can exploit a game mechanic and have people warp in and kill you, which you would have absolutely no defense against. Balance the system, make it a fair fight.

I think they'll always be confusion over this.

Problem being the wreak is made up of two parts the loot and salvage and the wreak has the ticker of the corp it belongs too, clearly shown.


Edit: Maybe it would have been better to have wreaks that had no loot, be shown blue with no corp attached to it.

My point here is there's nothing - literally nothing you can do about it

Yes, they're annoying, yes they're carebears who prey on mission runners, and yes most of them are cowards and won't fight 1v1. These things we know.

But I thought of it like this. If you pop an NPC and the wreck contains loot - they can steal it. Stealing constitutes taking items from a container that do not belong to you. Salvaged components are items. Salvaged components are contained within a wreck. And yet when someone is salvaging your wrecks and not looting them, they don't get any punishment for it. What it comes down to is them using a module to take your items from a container that you created by destroying an enemy. Anywhere else in EVE this is illegal and results in an aggression countdown. Why not with salvaging? Because some Dev somewhere wrote "CONCORD considers wrecks to be communal junk, anyone can have junk"? Seems legit...

And then of course we move on to everyone's favorite - the real reason its an exploit. Let's say you choose to fight back. I've one shotted many a T1 frigate or destroyer and gotten away with it. 99.9% of the time they either return with a PVP fit ship and a few friends, or all of their friends who were waiting warp in and gank you, you loose everything. My point here is there's nothing - literally nothing you can do about it. You can attack - you might pop one or maybe two of them, but you'll be ganked, scrammed, and pop goes your ship. You loose.

Or you can give in, just let them have all your loot and salvage. They'll make lots of money, you'll have wasted a lot of time and lost isk. You loose. It seems a poorly balanced system where the people making their isk legitimately have absolutely no recourse or defense against having people blatantly steal from them. They want you to try to defend yourself so that they can exploit a game mechanic and have people warp in and kill you, which you would have absolutely no defense against. Balance the system, make it a fair fight.

Yes, they're annoying, yes they're carebears who prey on mission runners, and yes most of them are cowards and won't fight 1v1. These things we know.

But I thought of it like this. If you pop an NPC and the wreck contains loot - they can steal it. Stealing constitutes taking items from a container that do not belong to you. Salvaged components are items. Salvaged components are contained within a wreck. And yet when someone is salvaging your wrecks and not looting them, they don't get any punishment for it. What it comes down to is them using a module to take your items from a container that you created by destroying an enemy. Anywhere else in EVE this is illegal and results in an aggression countdown. Why not with salvaging? Because some Dev somewhere wrote "CONCORD considers wrecks to be communal junk, anyone can have junk"? Seems legit...

And then of course we move on to everyone's favorite - the real reason its an exploit. Let's say you choose to fight back. I've one shotted many a T1 frigate or destroyer and gotten away with it. 99.9% of the time they either return with a PVP fit ship and a few friends, or all of their friends who were waiting warp in and gank you, you loose everything. My point here is there's nothing - literally nothing you can do about it. You can attack - you might pop one or maybe two of them, but you'll be ganked, scrammed, and pop goes your ship. You loose.

Or you can give in, just let them have all your loot and salvage. They'll make lots of money, you'll have wasted a lot of time and lost isk. You loose. It seems a poorly balanced system where the people making their isk legitimately have absolutely no recourse or defense against having people blatantly steal from them. They want you to try to defend yourself so that they can exploit a game mechanic and have people warp in and kill you, which you would have absolutely no defense against. Balance the system, make it a fair fight.

Here's a little ownership test for ya: can you shoot the wreck without Concord blowing you up? If not, then the wreck is owned by the person who CAN shoot the wreck without being Conkordokkened.

Here's a little ownership test for ya: can you shoot the wreck without Concord blowing you up? If not, then the wreck-áloot is owned by the person who CAN shoot the wreck without being Conkordokkened.

Here's a little ownership test for ya: can you shoot the wreck without Concord blowing you up? If not, then the wreck is owned by the person who CAN shoot the wreck without being Conkordokkened.

you could always come back in a pvp ship and fight too

And then their Falcon alt uncloaks at max jamming range...

This, unfortunately. Falcon is toxic to all types of gameplay.

And then their Falcon alt uncloaks at max jamming range...

And gets concorded into the ground if it does anything? If you don't understand the mechanics don't bother poasting.

When mission runner shoots at your ship your corp gets rights to attack that mission runner.

Learn to deal with them, either let them have your loot or fight them off. If you're worried about them not fighting a "fair" 1v1. Bring more guys to help you out. If you can't be bothered to deal with them with force, relocate and do missions in a quieter space.

When mission runner shoots at your ship your corp gets rights to attack that mission runner. Nothing will happen to your Falcon alt.

It seems a poorly balanced system where the people making their isk legitimately have absolutely no recourse or defense against having people blatantly steal from them

OP, did you know that in 0.0 the ONLY way for you to make money to survive is to kill rats while there are no bad people in local ...

and that there are some bad people who will then decide to jump in those systems and stay there .. like ... forever? And cloaked, so that nobody can kill them?! Now people can't make money!!


So really ... there are far worse exploits to deal with!!

If a ninja steals from your can and you come back with a PVP ship... his friends cannot attack you.

And for the Morons that say if you shoot a ninja that steals from you his friends will gank you... you are morons to.

When mission runner shoots at your ship your corp gets rights to attack that mission runner. Nothing will happen to your Falcon alt.

Easy way to deal with ninja looters that's fun as well.

When one comes into your mission, target your own cans and just as he get to one pop it. then rinse and repeat just as he gets to the next to a can pop it again, that way if you don't get the loot /salvage then no one will.

Also fun to see how many cans your victim will fly too before he gets bored/angry (my record is 5 cans) then leaves or starts to target you in the hope that you will shoot him or if your lucky does shoot you then fun really starts : )



Tal

Ninja can't shoot me either.



Why he would shoot that random mission runner if he (ninja) steals from his pirate friends (corp hangar?)?

Reading isn't your strong point, but try reading what he actually wrote until you get it. It'll be worth the effort!

(I gave you a little helping hand)