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rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 698	Posted - 2012.09.01 00:48:00 - [1] - Quote In the FW I-hub improvement thread I-hub thread CCP Ytterbium says, when asked about hi sec stations being too good,: Q: ONE OF THE REASONS FOR LOW-SECURITY SPACE BEING CRAP REMAINS THAT HIGH-SECURITY STATIONS ARE TOO GOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE, DO YOU HAVE PLANS TO ADJUST THIS? A: Indeed we do. This topic brought quite an internal discussion, and while this most likely won't be part of a Factional Warfare iteration, we do want to have a look at reducing high-security stations effectiveness to make other areas of space more interesting. Some examples could be reducing refining rates, increasing ISK payment to install jobs. Nothing is set in stone as this is not planned for the immediate future however. Another good idea we noticed here was to tie high-security tax with the war performance of its related Factional Warfare Militia. So if, by example, the Caldari Militia are losing the war in Factional Warfare, all taxes in Caldari State high-security space could go up to support the war effort. I know its not near Halloween yet, but I really wanted to get some frights going. I haven't made up my mind yet wether I like or don't like it yet. Mostly cause I hear stories of when EVE had less players and how awesome it sounded. But who knows, maybe more people would play if this happened. I sadly lost my Magic 8 ball app, so I can't tell the future right now. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
Regan Rotineque Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2012.09.01 00:56:00 - [2] - Quote Let me adjust my tinfoil hat first. ;) :::::runs about his room wailing about how unfair these changes could be to the Carebear population:::::: Readjusts tinfoil hat ~R~
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1997	Posted - 2012.09.01 00:58:00 - [3] - Quote Regan Rotineque wrote: Let me adjust my tinfoil hat first. ;) :::::runs about his room wailing about how unfair these changes could be to the Carebear population:::::: Readjusts tinfoil hat ~R~ http://media.fukung.net/images/31177/37e513223fc1b8eef76aa24bae71169b.jpg Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums.
stoicfaux 1526	Posted - 2012.09.01 00:59:00 - [4] - Quote Prices in high-sec go up, prices overall go up? Meaning, I don't think it will make a difference unless the economic and industrial advantages are worth the loss of ships and cargo to piracy. You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
Arrs Grazznic Poena Executive Solutions 74	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:01:00 - [5] - Quote There will be tears.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 517	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:05:00 - [6] - Quote Capital! Nothing Found
James 315 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2547	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:15:00 - [7] - Quote Highsec desperately needs to be nerfed, while lowsec and nullsec should be buffed. That's just common sense. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½ The daily saga of one man's quest to bring civilization to highsec by bumping miners out of range.
Irya Boone Escadron leader 39	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:16:00 - [8] - Quote Instead Of nerfing High sec why not just improve the other sec? need an alien brain to think ? Increase the refine yield in POS , in station in low en Null sec , Put some natural phenomenas .. like making the astroids more friable in Low sec or null sec or W-space more friable === more yield and remove ability to set pos in High sec ... or increase the drawbacks ( more fuel to use in High sec or less in low /null W-space. too much ways i stop here!! Whormoles are working as Intended .. so don't Touch my Hole CCP !!! CCP Why don't you name the 0.0 and null system With real name of solar system it would be so awesome !!! and put some NASA logo on the game :)
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 463	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:20:00 - [9] - Quote As a (currently) risk averse casual carebear I will gladly adapt to whatever nerfs come my way until such time as I quit out of boredom and take my money elsewhere. Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 698	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:22:00 - [10] - Quote I like the idea of adding more or different or perhaps unseen features to low sec. But pirates down there will still be hard to handle, and make those features worthwhile. Hell just add pvp features if anything then, if pirates are always gonna win down there. Perhaps like WHs, some systems get armor buffs and some get shield buffs, or perhaps those buffs change randomly as well. Or perhaps all ships just move faster down there or something. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9305	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:28:00 - [11] - Quote Irya Boone wrote: Instead Of nerfing High sec why not just improve the other sec? Because it leads to power creep. Nerfs are often far better a tool to fix imbalances than buffs. Anyway, there's not much to be scared about in that proposal. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 698	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:31:00 - [12] - Quote Tippia wrote: Anyway, there's not much to be scared about in that proposal. Compared to your trolling true. Luckily, CCP hasn't decided yet wether to add that to null sec. Shivers. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4511	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:33:00 - [13] - Quote it'll probably bring about the much-needed death of mineral compression death2allmineralcompression please leave
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9305	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:34:00 - [14] - Quote rodyas wrote: Compared to your trolling true. Actually, compared to nothing, it's a bit scary, but that's just because 0.1 on the scare-o-meter is scarier than something that doesn't exist. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 698	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:37:00 - [15] - Quote Andski wrote: it'll probably bring about the much-needed death of mineral compression death2allmineralcompression Well hi-sec markets might be the best source of tritanium and such. So that might not go away so fast, but who knows. Maybe less veldspar will be found in hi sec as well. Just remove ice and veldspar to low and null only. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 698	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:38:00 - [16] - Quote Tippia wrote: rodyas wrote: Compared to your trolling true. Actually, compared to nothing, it's a bit scary, but that's just because 0.1 on the scare-o-meter is scarier than something that doesn't exist. True, I am just the director of this horror thread, so I am trying to keep the atmosphere going. As in hi-seccers don't feel like they have alot, so Jason coming to our poor village is scary. (But to be fair, apperently FW people don't have alot either, and look at our pauper sources of isk as awesome and overpowered. Perhaps a sequel to the horror thread should be made.) I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
Anya Ohaya School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 164	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:40:00 - [17] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Meaning, I don't think it will make a difference unless the economic and industrial advantages are worth the loss of ships and cargo to piracy. Also assuming that losses to piracy aren't higher than the cost of running a high sec POS. People already use POS's rather than low sec copy lines.
Nyreanya Serenity Labs New Eden Research. 370	Posted - 2012.09.01 01:52:00 - [18] - Quote If this happens with/after the POS redesign, I think it'd be acceptable. "Acceptable" here meaning the flood damage from tears would be minimal. It could add incentive for people to put up more POSes, leading to more conflict over moons. Want to run a mining/industry corp? You'll need (at least temporarily) to have pvpers to help clear out a moon for your refining/manufacturing POS. The real true hard-core I-won't-risk-my-ship-no-matter-what players will still be able to make ISK in highsec, even with reduced refine rates or increased taxes. Almost anything that makes lowsec a viable goal/stepping stone would be good. [/sarcasm]
Soi Mala Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen 146	Posted - 2012.09.01 20:40:00 - [19] - Quote it doesn't matter how nice you make lowsec, carebears will never go there, they'l just charge more and continue producing in highsec. If they wanted a little risk for a bigger reward, they'd already be in null.
Lucy Ferrr Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 186	Posted - 2012.09.01 21:27:00 - [20] - Quote As someone who runs multiple manufacture/invention characters in high-sec I can say this is greatly needed. My main lives in lowsec (formerly in nul-sec), but all my manufacture alts are in high-sec because it is safer and more profitable. The only thing you need a POS for in high-sec is copying, the rest of the T2 invention/manufacturing process can be done all in stations. There are such a silly amount of manufcature and invention slots there is no need to waste isk on labs and manufacure arrays. On top of all the station slots, it is so much safer in high-sec. It is also easier to get mats in high-sec due to access to all the trade hubs. I make over a bil a month, all nearly 100% risk free because it's all in high-sec.
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum Still Censored 696	Posted - 2012.09.01 21:33:00 - [21] - Quote I don't see a issue per say with the changes, but the overall mindset is terrible. Nerfing one area to try and incentivise people to go to another isn't going to work, it hasn't before it won't now. Depending on how deep CCP tries to nerf highsec, they will end up losing more then they gain. If CCP is really concerned about low-sec then they need to actually change it to appeal to people, not cut around the other areas to force people to go there.
Lord Zim 1204	Posted - 2012.09.01 21:35:00 - [22] - Quote Irya Boone wrote: Instead Of nerfing High sec why not just improve the other sec? need an alien brain to think ? Because hisec is setting much too high a baseline. Need I refer you to the fact that hisec has more innate production capacity in single systems than whole nullsec regions? Hisec has refinement and manufacturing in the same station, even?
Thrym Garsk Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.09.01 21:44:00 - [23] - Quote The only thing I'd see as a bad thing would be tying a tax rate to factional warfare success. The way it is right now, we Minmatar already enjoy owning huge swathes of faction warfare space, an attribute that already suggests that Minmatar is fielding a more successful and populous low sec player base. If this where to continue(and it would, read on) in a universe in which that success positively affected your incomes, we would rapidly see an influx of Minmatar players and a loss of their opponents--there is no point in being on the losing team if it penalizes your income infrastructure like that. Now, a person might suggest that people would migrate to the "underdog" team, but that just isn't the case. MMO history clearly shows that the more successful PvP "realm" in virtually all games guarantees its high population, whereas the less successful always lags behind in numbers and success.
iskflakes Magnets Inc. 39	Posted - 2012.09.01 21:47:00 - [24] - Quote Highsec badly needs a nerf. Right now its members have no reason to leave. I would remove the ability to build anything except frigates and destroyers and have only two station services per station. Seeing as there are about 5 stations per system together they will still have all the services. I think removing concord would also help adjust the risk/reward balance, faction police should be good enough. Track your wealth with EVE Stats: https://ohheck.co.uk/EVEStats/home.php
James 315 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2555	Posted - 2012.09.01 21:57:00 - [25] - Quote iskflakes wrote: Highsec badly needs a nerf. Right now its members have no reason to leave. I agree, it's simple risk:reward. Highsec must either have its reward nerf, or its risk buffed. So far there hasn't been much in the way of buffing risk, to say the least... -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½ The daily saga of one man's quest to bring civilization to highsec by bumping miners out of range.
Garreth Vlox Blackened Skies The Unthinkables 105	Posted - 2012.09.01 22:13:00 - [26] - Quote Paul Oliver wrote: As a (currently) risk averse casual carebear I will gladly adapt to whatever nerfs come my way until such time as I quit out of boredom and take my money elsewhere. I'm sure CCP is terrified of the loss of one guy in an NPC corp mining veld in highsec because you're the only one doing that right? The LULZ Boat.
Yokai Mitsuhide Exiled Mining 1419	Posted - 2012.09.01 22:34:00 - [27] - Quote James 315 wrote: iskflakes wrote: Highsec badly needs a nerf. Right now its members have no reason to leave. I agree, it's simple risk:reward. Highsec must either have its reward nerf, or its risk buffed. So far there hasn't been much in the way of buffing risk, to say the least... You griefers will whine no matter what changes they make...they will never be "good enough" for you.
Lord Zim 1205	Posted - 2012.09.01 22:43:00 - [28] - Quote Yokai Mitsuhide wrote: You griefers will whine no matter what changes they make...they will never be "good enough" for you. I guess you missed the whole "hisec has more manufacturing capability in one system than nullsec has in most regions" and "hisec has refining and manufacturing in the same station, whereas nullsec must refine in one system and move to another" tidbit, amongst other details which make doing anything other than reacting and building supercaps in nullsec an exercise in retardation?
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1771	Posted - 2012.09.01 23:34:00 - [29] - Quote rodyas wrote: I sadly lost my Magic 8 ball app, so I can't tell the future right now. Kids today You know there's a real world outside your iphone. It has real items. The kind of stuff us old people used to be able to hold in our hands and shake for real. Like magic eight balls, for instance. Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 532	Posted - 2012.09.01 23:41:00 - [30] - Quote Has anyone considered that maybe the reason some people stick to highsec isn't some skewed risk/reward mechanic but rather the kinds of people who populate low/nullsec? "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine

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