Any change that is only going to serve funneling targets to people who sit on gates killing everything that moves is not going to be a good one.

Has anyone considered that maybe the reason some people stick to highsec isn't some skewed risk/reward mechanic but rather the kinds of people who populate low/nullsec?

nobody wants to bother running around getting griefed and blown up by gatecamp blobs.

If this is going to be some bad "hurr the road to nullsec is camped EVERYWHERE and YOU WILL DIE" post, don't bother, because it's not the big problem you perceive it to be (or want to portray it as).

Has anyone considered that maybe the reason some people stick to highsec isn't some skewed risk/reward mechanic but rather the kinds of people who populate low/nullsec? It seems to me a lot of people in low and null are crying for highsec to be nerfed not out of some altrustic desire to see the game improved but because they don't have enough targets because nobody wants to bother running around getting griefed and blown up by gankers, pirates, and gate camp blobs. Does that really surprise anyone?

So tell me, will that change with these changes?

In the FW I-hub improvement thread I-hub thread

CCP Ytterbium says, when asked about hi sec stations being too good,:

Q: ONE OF THE REASONS FOR LOW-SECURITY SPACE BEING CRAP REMAINS THAT HIGH-SECURITY STATIONS ARE TOO GOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE, DO YOU HAVE PLANS TO ADJUST THIS?

A: Indeed we do. This topic brought quite an internal discussion, and while this most likely won't be part of a Factional Warfare iteration, we do want to have a look at reducing high-security stations effectiveness to make other areas of space more interesting. Some examples could be reducing refining rates, increasing ISK payment to install jobs. Nothing is set in stone as this is not planned for the immediate future however. Another good idea we noticed here was to tie high-security tax with the war performance of its related Factional Warfare Militia. So if, by example, the Caldari Militia are losing the war in Factional Warfare, all taxes in Caldari State high-security space could go up to support the war effort.

I know its not near Halloween yet, but I really wanted to get some frights going.

I haven't made up my mind yet wether I like or don't like it yet. Mostly cause I hear stories of when EVE had less players and how awesome it sounded. But who knows, maybe more people would play if this happened. I sadly lost my Magic 8 ball app, so I can't tell the future right now.

What would be ingenious would be if that extra tax actually went to the militia players in some form to make it easier to recover from a slump.

^ What mechanic?

we do want to have a look at reducing high-security stations effectiveness to make other areas of space more interesting.

it doesn't matter how nice you make lowsec, carebears will never go there, they'l just charge more and continue producing in highsec. If they wanted a little risk for a bigger reward, they'd already be in null.

misguided attempts at risk aversion modification...

I guess you missed the whole "hisec has more manufacturing capability in one system than nullsec has in most regions" and "hisec has refining and manufacturing in the same station, whereas nullsec must refine in one system and move to another" tidbit, amongst other details which make doing anything other than reacting and building supercaps in nullsec an exercise in retardation?

So tell me, will that change with these changes?


Go ahead and deny that while I have a beer.

Will what change? The fact that not everyone in nullsec is sitting on hisec->low/nullsec gates 23.5/7 and just salivating for a dumbass to jump through?

Why yes, we'll certainly turn morbidly ******** the instant these changes are implemented. We'll let the rest of nullsec be left completely undefended, because we MUST make sure nobody can get from hisec to nullsec. It's literally the most important thing to do after these changes are put into place.

(You're dumb, and you should feel bad.)

you have heard of cloaky haulers and jump freighters right? Also they're talking about lowsec not null, no bubbles means only idiots jumping into low with no scout or the proper ship get popped by camps, which is a surpisingly high number of people.

Last time I roamed in goon space, there as a ship sitting on a gate, a rookie ship. We popped it, and the capsule just sat there, like a mining bot.

So tell me someone was not on the other end of that gate-watch bot.

Tell me that these won't pop up everywhere.

Any game that required you to get more accounts for certain things looks like a scam to most people. Your "solution" is typical, and well avoided. Sure, you can do XYZ with one account for x, one for y, one for z. Maybe that's OK for you, but people think that's a scam.

Having to pay double the rate just because of people who are going to sit there and kill everything that comes through makes for a crap game.

I see that people are still stomping at the wrong reasons as to why high-sec dwellers will never go to low- or nullsec

I still say that you can rebalance high/low/null-sec income until the world ends, it'd still do absolutely nothing to improve the situation.

Has anyone considered that maybe the reason some people stick to highsec isn't some skewed risk/reward mechanic but rather the kinds of people who populate low/nullsec? It seems to me a lot of people in low and null are crying for highsec to be nerfed not out of some altrustic desire to see the game improved but because they don't have enough targets because nobody wants to bother running around getting griefed and blown up by gankers, pirates, and gate camp blobs. Does that really surprise anyone?

Any game that required you to get more accounts for certain things looks like a scam to most people. Your "solution" is typical, and well avoided. Sure, you can do XYZ with one account for x, one for y, one for z. Maybe that's OK for you, but people think that's a scam.

Having to pay double the rate just because of people who are going to sit there and kill everything that comes through makes for a crap game.