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Zamestian Han
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Posted - 2011.04.30 22:11:00 -
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1b sent for 10 shares
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Syds Sinclair
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Posted - 2011.04.30 22:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Brock Nelson
Originally by: Breaker77
edit: While it does not guarantee this isn't a scam. I highly doubt someone with 117 billion ISK in their wallet would run with 20 billion ISK.
Then again, how many people with 117b in their wallet ask for 20b?
Why would someone run an offering when they can make 10 billion isk in a month running missions?
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..Dumbest post in the history of MD. Really Breaker? I mean really?
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.04.30 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Brock Nelson on 30/04/2011 22:15:28
Originally by: Syds Sinclair
Originally by: Breaker77
Why would someone run an offering when they can make 10 billion isk in a month running missions?
..Dumbest post in the history of MD. Really Breaker? I mean really?
Not really, he's describing precisely what I did over a year ago 
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Dagon Sirius
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Posted - 2011.04.30 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Edited by: RAW23 on 30/04/2011 19:58:48
The comparison to T4U isn't really valid. T4U held assets equal to the investments made (roughly), so all dividends were profit.
How was the existence of that assets an advantage to investors when BB just walked away with them? |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:04:00 -
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What has happened to all the people who ask good questions? Or rip apart poor ones.
I mean anyone who earns in excess of 50B ISK a year in dividends has NO need of investment money.
You get money back after 3 yes?
Would you trust someone to keep the casino open with 1T ISK and 300B ISK in deposits burning a hole in their pocket.
This would make potential haul massive.
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Zeeawk
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:05:00 -
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Well I figure since I own 25% of the shares right now, I might as well register on EveBoard too.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Zeeawk/progress
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Zeeawk
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
I mean anyone who earns in excess of 50B ISK a year in dividends has NO need of investment money.
I think your math is wrong.
1.15B/day * 365 days is 419.75B/yr
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Saiph Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:12:00 -
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Looks neat, I'll hit you up ingame
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Khanid Voltar
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
This would make potential haul massive.
As opposed to your abortion of a scam?
Seriously Cosmo, you lost your relevancy some time ago. Why don't you just crawl back under your rock.
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Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
What has happened to all the people who ask good questions? Or rip apart poor ones.
I mean anyone who earns in excess of 50B ISK a year in dividends has NO need of investment money.
You get money back after 3 yes?
Would you trust someone to keep the casino open with 1T ISK and 300B ISK in deposits burning a hole in their pocket.
This would make potential haul massive.
Pretty much this.
The more I'm reading in the investment threads the more I'm inclined to just leave people to their own folly. There are too many fools with too much Isk determined to give it away. There *are* decent investments out there, there *will* be decent investments in the future.
Hell, eveboard shows that Ed has 117B in his wallet. Nice. He has also stated that he is holding Isk in trust for those that participate in his casino and yet not a single person (including one auditor that has posted in this thread) has yet asked one of the more fundamental questions when it comes to assessing the potential/likelyhood of a scam.
How much "public" Isk is Ed currently holding in trust? Is that Isk held in a corp wallet or in his own?
The "MD Elite" may be dead but there is definitely a new breed forming and they will not be noticed until the current trend is reversed at which point envy will once again become the dominant coin of politics here.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:25:00 -
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Don't discard someone's input just because they scammed. That doesn't disqualify them from being correct, just from ever getting investment with that character again.
In this case Cosmo echoes a valid point already made several times. If the OP is making 1.15B a day, why on earth would he need 20b? Because he's a nice guy and enjoys handing out money?
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Zeeawk
Originally by: cosmoray
I mean anyone who earns in excess of 50B ISK a year in dividends has NO need of investment money.
I think your math is wrong.
1.15B/day * 365 days is 419.75B/yr
Bolded the relevant part.
I noticed that both Zeeawk and Edwin still hasn't posted anything that resembles an answer to any question or concerns posted thus far.
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Khanid Voltar
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Frenden Dax
Don't discard someone's input just because they scammed. That doesn't disqualify them from being correct, just from ever getting investment with that character again.
The fact that Cosmo's 'scam' left him virtually penniless shows a severe lack of judgement.
The fact he is reiterating others opinion's (as you yourself has said) doesn't make his opinion relevant, just .... sad.
Anything is a punt in this game, the fact that Ed is minimising potential buy ins is a factor in his favour. In my opinion, Ed is trying to build reputation using the only leverage he has.
So I might lose a Bil - who cares. I'd rather lose a bill than listen to Cosmo that's for sure, he can't even scam properly.
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Khanid Voltar
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson
I noticed that both Zeeawk and Edwin still hasn't posted anything that resembles an answer to any question or concerns posted thus far.
Already noted, and I would like to hear a response from Edwin with regard to this. Doesn't mean I find Cosmo any more relevant though.
fake edit - fkn 2 minute timer!!
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Gatan Hahran
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Frenden Dax
If the OP is making 1.15B a day, why on earth would he need 20b? Because he's a nice guy and enjoys handing out money?
There are some reasons that could be true here i think:
1) A secondary market for his shares would value his casino and the majority of shares that he and his friend hold.
2) He likes running bonds and ipo stuff on MD. You will notice that 80-90% of valid MD offers that dont end in a scam are somewhat pointless. People do it for the fun of it.
3) People get involved in the casino (max.investment/person so more people can invest). A shareholder may tell someone faster about the casino.
4) It generates a platform for future share sales if his friend and himself want to start collecting Titans or whatever.
5) Because he's a nice guy and enjoys handing out money?
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.01 00:07:00 -
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1 billion ISK sent
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.05.01 00:26:00 -
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To be honest I don't think Ed would scam but I would still like to hear what his answers are to the questions posed.
And there is also the fact that Ed has.. a lot of shares left so while there is a possibility that the shares could appreciate, he could also sell them for less (for whatever reason, including lulz) and depreciate them as well.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.01 01:14:00 -
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How about some subjective analysis. For those who want to see it read on, for those who think I have lost relevancy I would invest anyway.
Analysis of this casino/offering.
1. The rake(casino cut) is clearly too high. Pulling 1B + per day in ptofit will wipe out the player base funds too quickly. This could also cause people to grind missions and play the game just to fund their acquired gambling habits.
Rake in US casinos on slots is mainly 1%.
2. I didn't see the notice on the site saying you need to be 21 to enter and gamble. It is illegal in the US to gamble under 21.
3. Is CCP willing to risk a lawsuit in the US from a parent who'se kid first got addicted to gambling by playing Eve Online as a minor (or under 21). Lawyers don't care who or how many parties are at fault, they generally always go for the people/entities with the deepest pockets. A corporation is always more attractive than an individual.
4. There is no way CCP will not police this gambling site. You have just made public how much money is being gambled and lost daily. CCP will surely come and ban this. Again, do they want a bunch of lawsuits in the US, and have a potential internet portal closure due to online gambling?
IMO if you invest in this offering the risk is great that CCP will step in and ban gambling via the external site, which will lead to a total loss of investment.
This investment is a race vs. CCP. Earn as much as possible before CCP close it.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.05.01 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Brock Nelson on 01/05/2011 01:18:33
Gambling is illegal BUT as pointed out by sites like PokerStar, US Players are restricted to playing with play money. This is play money.
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Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
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Posted - 2011.05.01 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
for those who think I have lost relevancy I would invest anyway
Huh?
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Candy Oshea
Amarr
Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2011.05.01 01:22:00 -
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Posting to confirm Edwin is an ******* for not launching this when i was online & 1 day after i bought this months invention/production supplies -_-
i have no liquid isk :(
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iCandy Bonds
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Dagon Sirius
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Posted - 2011.05.01 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
3. Is CCP willing to risk a lawsuit in the US from a parent who'se kid first got addicted to gambling by playing Eve Online as a minor (or under 21).
Oh no, my kid lost 2 million ISK that i saved up for his Motsu College education!
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.01 01:28:00 -
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You still have to be 21 to play at Pokerstars.
Secondly the reason you can play with play money at Pokerstars is because gambling for real $$ on the internet is completely illegal in the US. Just see that the 3 major sites got closed last week by the Feds.
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Candy Oshea
Amarr
Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2011.05.01 01:34:00 -
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Even if Edwin's casino suddenly got shutdown for any bizarre RL reason, it isn't his only line of income, the guy has his hands in every pie.
Ill reserve 1 share for now please. its all i have in personal liquid atm :(
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iCandy Bonds
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khai88
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Posted - 2011.05.01 02:08:00 -
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i like 2 share pls, (ISK send)
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Krythas
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Posted - 2011.05.01 02:57:00 -
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I'd like to reserve 10 shares as well, and will send the ISK shortly. I'd also quite like to see some of the questions answered that were raised, more out of curiosity than anything else.
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Zaveed
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Posted - 2011.05.01 05:53:00 -
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I'd like to reserve 10 shares, please. Will send ISK ASAP
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Enigmatarius
Production Industry Mining Profiteers
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Posted - 2011.05.01 06:12:00 -
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I'd like to reserve 10 shares, please. (ISKies away)
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TornSoul
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.05.01 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Edwin Rothbard
gross deposits totaling 330,166,214,126.28 ISK.
<snip>
To date the casino has net profits in excess of 141 billion ISK.
Hmm...
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.05.01 07:02:00 -
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Quote:
Gambling is illegal BUT as pointed out by sites like PokerStar, US Players are restricted to playing with play money. This is play money
How long before a lawyer finds a case of someone getting bankrupt to gambling addiction because he'd keep compulsively buying GTCs => PLEXes to turn in this play money?
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