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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.07 00:30:00 -
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Tea Party activists don't typically fly planes into buildings or plant bombs on trains.
No, they just stomp on women's heads and give them concussions at Rand Paul political rallies.
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And you don't have the right to provide aid and comfort to the enemy. Marching in the street doesn't rise to that definition, but I'd be willing to bet several of those marching sent money to groups they aren't supposed to, legally. And I don't know about laws in the UK, but they're probably not allowed to legally wear masks during a protest since it is cause for suspicion that the mask wearer intends to break the law.
So you're saying that simply because they dislike the West that they're automatically terrorists and that they can't be afforded the freedom of speech and assembly, is that it? Again, it doesn't matter whether you like it or not, it's freedom of speech. As long as their speech isn't inciting riots, there's no crime.
I agree that I think all these immigrants who move to western countries and then protest western society should just go back to living in their hovels, but that's still their right to protest. Truth be told, England is a little limp-wristed when it comes to immigration in respect to other European countries like France and Italy, but if you think for one second that they don't know exactly what's going on in these groups, you'd be sorely mistaken. Like the other guy said, I wouldn't be surprised if MI5 organized the protest.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.07 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
if there is legal ground for this i hope this will go frontward
Wait wait wait... You actually think it should be illegal to say "I'm glad Osama bin Laden is dead."? Really?
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.07 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Astenion
The judge is probably some limp-wristed, overzealous pacifist.
assumptions, do you have more of them ?
if there is legal ground for this i hope this will go frontward
You seriously think there are legal grounds for the criminal prosecution of Angela Merkel in saying she's glad OBL is dead? What's next, sending people to jail when they jokingly say, "I'm gonna kill you!"?
If someone breaks an eyelash you're always there whining about the persecution of said eyelash and how outraged you are. When you start living in the real world, please let me know...then we'll have a real conversation. Until then, just keep asking for more of our money while you whine about not getting a 14th paycheck and having to take only 35 days vacation this year. It's easy to be always contrary to everything when you can't even take a stand on a single issue, other than crying about how life isn't fair.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.07 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 07/05/2011 00:45:15
Originally by: Astenion
No, they just stomp on women's heads and give them concussions at Rand Paul political rallies.
Sorry, concussion's the best that they can do. They don't have the finger-biting-off experience of leftists and union thugs or bomb making expertise that Obama's mentor had. Maybe some day!
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So you're saying that simply because they dislike the West that they're automatically terrorists and that they can't be afforded the freedom of speech and assembly, is that it? Again, it doesn't matter whether you like it or not, it's freedom of speech. As long as their speech isn't inciting riots, there's no crime.
Well there are limits to freedom of speech, and I'm not sure this would fall under its protection actually. Imagine this were in print form and you were handing out pamplets supporting bin Laden and al Qaeda. They are actively at war with the United Staes government. I'm not sure you wouldn't get arrested. At the very least, you'd be having a long talk with Homeland Security. And if you're here on any sort of visa, you wouldn't have it for long.
This is a grey area. The government is probably within its authority through treason acts to prevent that sort of literature's publication. I just don't know whether they'd do it.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.07 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 07/05/2011 00:56:46
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Well there are limits to freedom of speech, and I'm not sure this would fall under its protection actually. Imagine this were in print form and you were handing out pamplets supporting bin Laden and al Qaeda. They are actively at war with the United Staes government. I'm not sure you wouldn't get arrested. At the very least, you'd be having a long talk with Homeland Security. And if you're here on any sort of visa, you wouldn't have it for long.
This is a grey area. The government is probably within its authority through treason acts to prevent that sort of literature's publication. I just don't know whether they'd do it.
Wow, you really don't know anything about freedom of speech, do you? This just proves my point that the Tea Party is there simply because they like to complain about things they don't know anything about half the time. "Get yer gubment hands off mah Medicare!"  I've always said you people are idiots, but I didn't realize how little you knew about the things you protest so much.
Here's a clue, and it's free: on September 11, 2001, there were people across the country dancing in the their driveways and in the streets in places while the WTC was burning. They were exercising their rights of freedom of speech, and they were protected under our laws. If you handed out pamphlets supporting Al Qaeda, then OF COURSE they're going to investigate you, but they're not going to forcibly remove you if you're doing it legally. That's like saying you hate the government and passing out pamphlets calling for revolution, but if you make a threat to anyone in the government, then it becomes a crime. Do you see how this works? Why do you think the Sarah Palin bullseye poster was such a big deal? There was this debate whether it was intentionally inciting violence or that it was just free speech.
You are free to say anything you want as long as it doesn't intrude on others' rights and as long as it doesn't incite a riot. The only LEGAL limits to freedom of speech is that you cannot infringe on the rights of others. You can offend as many people as you want, but if you're not doing anything illegal, no one can LEGALLY do anything to you.
Why am I not surprised that I have to explain this to you?
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.07 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 07/05/2011 01:13:37
What's more, how do you think disgusting organizations like NAMBLA continue to hold conferences and are allowed to exist legally? Freedom of speech. As long as they don't do anything illegal, they are allowed to say or do whatever they want.
How do you think Charles Manson went to prison? He didn't kill anyone...never lifted a finger. He manipulated others into doing illegal acts, and that's why he went to jail.
What about the guy who just got sent to prison for coercing people over the internet to kill themselves? It's not freedom of speech because he took advantage of them and manipulated them into committing suicide.
Just because what someone says may offend you doesn't mean they don't have a right to do it. If you try to harm them, it will be YOU who is arrested.
Fred Phelps can go to whatever funerals he wants and picket and say whatever he wants as long as it's not inciting violence. This douchebag has won case after case brought against him because he's protected under freedom of speech laws.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.07 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 07/05/2011 01:47:53
Originally by: Astenion
I've always said you people are idiots, but I didn't realize how little you knew about the things you protest so much.
Reported.
You just can't type out a response without resorting to your tired old crutch of flaming, can you? You're gonna break that thing one of these days!
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IoWalker
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Posted - 2011.05.07 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: IoWalker on 07/05/2011 02:17:12
Y A Y RAND PAUL 
That's right, he's a Senator now. You can take your stomped woman head and head to the door kbai.
ed: unless a stomped woman head is an arc mission objective, in which case it's MINE.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.07 02:29:00 -
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Yay! Donald Trump for president! What a massive troll on America that would be
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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IoWalker
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Posted - 2011.05.07 02:42:00 -
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American and troll in the first place... what's not a fit so far?
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Culmen
Caldari
Blood Phage Syndicate
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.05.07 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
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Astenion.... you really got to get your troll detector serviced.
Logical argument is wasted on those folk.
They don't take kindly to logic in those parts.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.07 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Yay! Donald Trump for president! What a massive troll on America that would be
Imagine in the republican pre-elections Donald Trump vs Sarah Palin, I wouldnt know if I should laugh or cry about that.
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Tea Party activists don't typically fly planes into buildings or plant bombs on trains. That's pretty much an Islamist thing.
Welcome to Ireland, where people showed uptill quite recently also christians have no issues bombing other christians because they have a slightly different believe.
Regarding those muslims in the UK protesting in favour of OBL, they are obviously idiots (and from what I heard about the EDL they also arent exactly swimming in active brain cells), and on first thought I wouldnt mind if we rent some part of Siberia to put them all. However on second thought, freedom of speech and right on a fair trial is not something you should disable when someone has an opinion you dont like.
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Posted - 2011.05.07 09:14:00 -
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Well this thread has degenerated into a political discussion thread. Given that the events are quite old now, the thread can be locked.
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