Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 .. 13 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 18:10:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Lindsay Logan
Originally by: Steve Thomas as for Burial at sea, I can honestly see Mr. Lindsey ordering them to get that garbage overboard. More practicaly a burrial at sea at co-ordinates unknown is just fine with me. One less shrine dedicated to the latest random sycopath on the planet.
Now just to clear up the rest of the psycos in US and the rest of the west.
Good thing they got rid of Osama, but what follows is what is important. I bet the wars will truck on for some time yet, and nothing will really change. They will find a new boogyman soon enough.
Killing Osama had nothing to do with his leadership/figurehead status of Al-Qaeda. It had to do with justice and vengeance.
Quote: Saturday, October 30, 2004:
Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.
He claimed responsibility, he paid for those thousands. Lets not forget the other attacks he's claimed responsibility for. ♥
|
Burnharder
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 18:52:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Zora
Let me quote something else of him, quite fitting in this context... " The thing that strikes me more and more ù and it strikes a lot of other people, too ùis the extraordinary viciousness and dishonesty of political controversy in our time. I donÆt mean merely that controversies are acrimonious. They ought to be that when they are on serious subjects. I mean that almost nobody seems to feel that an opponent deserves a fair hearing or that the objective truth matters as long as you can score a neat debating point. "
It doesn't seem much has changed since he wrote about "his" time
That is quite correct. But it's misdirection, because we aren't talking about policy, we're talking about killing a guy who was instrumental in the murder of thousands of people in New York. For most of these pacifists, what matters most is their hatred of the US (critics from outside the US), some of them (mostly in the US) hate Obama and none of them really care very much for justice.
|
Y Berion
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 18:53:00 -
[153]
So... Yanks found out hiding place of one person accused for terrorism, sent a death squad, and then dumped the body into the sea so no one could ever find it and, possibly, check the identity? Cool story bro. But why didn't they arrest him? Why burrial at sea? What happened with all those pompous lessons that US of A are giving the rest of the world every day, talking about democracy and basic human right for everyone to have a fair trial? Is this (another) example of how US of A wants world to look like in 21st century, with hitmen dealing justice all over the globe...?
|
Burnharder
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 18:55:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Y Berion So... Yanks found out hiding place of one person accused for terrorism, sent a death squad, and then dumped the body into the sea so no one could ever find it and, possibly, check the identity? Cool story bro. But why didn't they arrest him? Why burrial at sea? What happened with all those pompous lessons that US of A are giving the rest of the world every day, talking about democracy and basic human right for everyone to have a fair trial? Is this (another) example of how US of A wants world to look like in 21st century, with hitmen dealing justice all over the globe...?
Are you joking or just stupid?
|
Y Berion
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 19:02:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Burnharder Are you joking or just stupid?
You, my friend, probably wouldn't understand even if I was joking.
|
Lindsay Logan
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 19:06:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Killing Osama had nothing to do with his leadership/figurehead status of Al-Qaeda. It had to do with justice and vengeance.
In other words the US Army/Navy/Whatever are just petty thugs then? And this whole war on "terror" is just a farce for teh sake of revenge, in your eyes?
Truly, that is a sad viewpoint you have. They removed a potential danger, and you name it just for sake of pittiful vengance? Sad indeed. Makes one wonder just who the real brutes here are.
|
Azelor Delaria
Caldari Unfortunate Soldiers
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 19:14:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Y Berion So... Yanks found out hiding place of one person accused for terrorism, sent a death squad, and then dumped the body into the sea so no one could ever find it and, possibly, check the identity? Cool story bro. But why didn't they arrest him? Why burrial at sea? What happened with all those pompous lessons that US of A are giving the rest of the world every day, talking about democracy and basic human right for everyone to have a fair trial? Is this (another) example of how US of A wants world to look like in 21st century, with hitmen dealing justice all over the globe...?
I'm going to sit here and assume you've never been in a combat zone. So let's roleplay a bit!
You're Marine on patrol. You know there's an insurgent leader in the house you're coming up on. Six has given you a "dead or alive" directive. You know it's better if he's taken alive. Your platoon commander knows it's better if he's taken alive. It was strongly hinted by Higher they'd like him alive.
You're coming up on the compound. Suddenly you start taking incoming small arms fire. Your squad takes cover and returns fire. You see multiple machinegun nests set up, and you're sure there's a sniper or two.
The squad is able to move to with-in grenade-throwing distance to do some damage. You know he's in one of the rooms where fire is coming from. You decide to rush the building. A few of your guys are hit. You make the door. You kick it in. You clear rooms on your way up the stairs.
You reach the door, but you see that there's quite a few guns pointed your way on the other side. He's in there. Your commander says to toss in the grenade, clear the room. You do it. BOOM!
Rush in, and of course everyone is dead.
The point of my crappy story is that in the heat of combat there is no time outs to try to arrest someone. You have three people: friends, enemies, and bystanders. The enemies are going to try to kill you. You need to kill them first. DEVGRU - and SEALs in particular, having trained with several of them since I was 16 (my uncle being a SEAL himself) - are some of the most patriotic and proud men I have ever known. They would have wanted him alive, to make sure he answered. Some would have ****ed him up on the ride (he would have "fallen down some stairs") but they wouldn't have wanted to kill him. But when someone's pointing a gun at your face, you can either drop him like the sack of **** he is, or die.
Patton said it best (and I realize I'm paraphrasing): It's not your job to die for your country; it's your job to make the other sorry son of a ***** die for his. ***** ***** ***** *****
"No OPLAN ever survives first contact with the enemy." |
Zhul Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Thukker Tribe Mercenaries
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 19:15:00 -
[158]
A prince gets married, the bad guy is dead. It's a real Disney weekend here on earth
|
Stan Jens
Gallente KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 19:22:00 -
[159]
"Tip of the spear"
|
Sijakta Ho Pakrsh
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 19:28:00 -
[160]
from wikileaks:
US suspected/knew since 2008 that Osama was living in Abbottabad--which begs the question why the delay? http://is.gd/LtSvHC
|
|
Stan Jens
Gallente KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 19:38:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Sijakta Ho Pakrsh from wikileaks:
US suspected/knew since 2008 that Osama was living in Abbottabad--which begs the question why the delay? http://is.gd/LtSvHC
--------
wikileaks..............suspected?
|
Bane Necran
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 19:46:00 -
[162]
In the video shortly after 9/11, Osama just praised the people who carried it out, and the media told everyone he claimed responsibility. They repeated that he was the person responsible so often it eventually became the truth. But in the words of the FBI themselves, there was no evidence linking him to it.
What's even crazier, is many of the people who were supposed to have carried out the 9/11 attacks are still alive, and a bit confused by the whole thing.
None of that is even the realm of theory. It's reality. What the TV tells you is the fantasy.
|
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 19:56:00 -
[163]
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 02/05/2011 20:02:31
Originally by: Bane Necran In the video shortly after 9/11, Osama just praised the people who carried it out, and the media told everyone he claimed responsibility. They repeated that he was the person responsible so often it eventually became the truth. But in the words of the FBI themselves, there was no evidence linking him to it.
What's even crazier, is many of the people who were supposed to have carried out the 9/11 attacks are still alive, and a bit confused by the whole thing.
None of that is even the realm of theory. It's reality. What the TV tells you is the fantasy.
Not that I really care about any of this but I would like to point out that all those implicated with involvement in the 9/11 attacks, that are currently alive and being held, where likely taken in non shoot out situations.
Again I fail to read before posting.
/slaps his wrists
Slade
:Signature Temporarily Disabled: |
Malaclypse Muscaria
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 19:56:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Bane Necran What's even crazier, is many of the people who were supposed to have carried out the 9/11 attacks are still alive, and a bit confused by the whole thing.
None of that is even the realm of theory. It's reality. What the TV tells you is the fantasy.
Funny that you post the BBC's original article - written 12 days after 9/11 - but not the correction they published afterwards, once the information available was clear, and they identified the original mistakes that led to such claim.
Funny too that you label everything on TV as "fantasy", yet willingly and uncritically swallow every piece of nonsense that comes out of Alex Jones (and co.) conspiranoid minds, such as the above - and now debunked - claim that Waleed al-Shehri is still alive.
|
Boom Boom Longtime
the Pink Socking Kool Kids Klub
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 20:02:00 -
[165]
No more Deep Fried Mars Bars for Bin Laden.
Linkage
|
Bane Necran
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 20:04:00 -
[166]
So, no comments on the FBI saying there was no evidence linking Osama to it? CNN and Fox news is probably more reliable, right?
As for some of the hijackers being still alive, you have a long night ahead of you to explain it all away.
|
Burnharder
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 20:25:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Bane Necran So, no comments on the FBI saying there was no evidence linking Osama to it? CNN and Fox news is probably more reliable, right?
As for some of the hijackers being still alive, you have a long night ahead of you to explain it all away.
Why don't you post a credible source? If I put a website saying Bin Laden is still alive, showing some maps and making up a load of bull****, you would probably re-post it here!
|
Bane Necran
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 20:30:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Burnharder Why don't you post a credible source? If I put a website saying Bin Laden is still alive, showing some maps and making up a load of bull****, you would probably re-post it here!
Are you saying the FBI isn't credible?
Sounds a lot like terrorist talk. Why do you hate America so much?
|
Raynohr
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 20:33:00 -
[169]
as we havent seen the body combined whit biological proof that it was actualy him and not a decoy, i doubt he is dead.
|
simbool erbgot
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 20:34:00 -
[170]
Linkage
|
|
Bane Necran
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 20:41:00 -
[171]
Just occurred to me 'burnharder' probably didn't do a simple google search, so i'll hold him by the hand and do one for him.
"FBI Osama no link to 9/11"
You dumb monkeys.
FBI most wanted list with no mention of 9/11
|
Zhul Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Thukker Tribe Mercenaries
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 20:51:00 -
[172]
Fox-News saves the day : Obama Bin Laden Dead
|
Jada Maroo
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 21:10:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Jada Maroo on 02/05/2011 21:17:00
Originally by: Zhul Guixgrixks Fox-News saves the day : Obama Bin Laden Dead
Local Fox affiliate, not Fox News. But that's hardly the first time people stumble over the similarities between Obama and Osama. One need only look at a speech by perpetual drunkard, lifelong Democrat, liberal activist, and killer Democrat Senator Teddy Kennedy for the funniest example:
*Hiccup*
|
Kale Anderson
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 21:19:00 -
[174]
it's still weird that the mission was a "kill only". youd've thought they would want him alive. tbh though, can't wait for this to blow over, makes the us look like a bunch of savages dancing around a corpse shaking their spears.
|
Jada Maroo
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 21:22:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Kale Anderson it's still weird that the mission was a "kill only". youd've thought they would want him alive.
If he were captured alive, where ever he was being kept would become the world's biggest target.
|
Malaclypse Muscaria
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 21:31:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Kale Anderson it's still weird that the mission was a "kill only". youd've thought they would want him alive.
If he were captured alive, where ever he was being kept would become the world's biggest target.
Not just that, but likely open as well a whole world of "random-western-tourists kidnapped and ensuing threats of videotaped beheadings if Osama isn't freed" possibilities and scenarios. We've had those before with our own local terrorist problem.
None of us know if those SEALs really had a chance to capture him alive or not, but killing him off right away was the least problematic (and most appropiate imo) option.
|
Bane Necran
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 21:31:00 -
[177]
Edited by: Bane Necran on 02/05/2011 21:33:41
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Kale Anderson it's still weird that the mission was a "kill only". youd've thought they would want him alive.
If he were captured alive, where ever he was being kept would become the world's biggest target.
Really? Even with the FBI and George Bush himself saying they don't care about him, you still believe that?
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
|
Kale Anderson
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 21:32:00 -
[178]
nobodies seemed to care that we've had his buddies locked up here for ages, same with ******* though he is a different story.
|
Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 21:48:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Zhul Guixgrixks A prince gets married, the bad guy is dead. It's a real Disney weekend here on earth
Catholics also have a new Saint ... --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
|
Jada Maroo
|
Posted - 2011.05.02 21:59:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Bane Necran
Really? Even with the FBI and George Bush himself saying they don't care about him, you still believe that?
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
How was that relevant to what I said? It wasn't.
Bin Laden likely didn't have a direct hand in terror plots anymore and his death probably won't mean much for national security. Since 9/11 he was mostly a figurehead. So, Bush's statement was in fact correct. But that doesn't mean you don't dance on his grave when he's killed, or that his followers wouldn't have bombed whatever prison housed him had he been captured alive.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 .. 13 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |