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Aydala
Minmatar Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap
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Posted - 2011.05.02 02:50:00 -
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I killed him
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.02 02:56:00 -
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But did you loot the corpse, salvage the organs, and freeze dry the corpse for a space burial at the Eve gate?
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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:01:00 -
[3]
I knew there would be a thread. Booya!
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egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:02:00 -
[4]
Edited by: egola on 02/05/2011 03:02:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQrQr136jgc
holy cow that was you?!
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Xercodo
Amarr Daj'Juntar
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:03:00 -
[5]
5th!!!......?
-------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie |

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:05:00 -
[6]
First page goodness.
Osama bin dead now!
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Hickock
Caldari UNITED STATES ARMY US Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:08:00 -
[7]
FIRST PAGE!
Took all of 10 years but they finally got the bastard!
AMERICA......**** YEA! --------------
Visit http://extremepredators.com/ for more information. |

Cyriel Longinus
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:08:00 -
[8]
Check out whitehouse.gov at 10:35 EST Obama is expected to make a statement.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:11:00 -
[9]
I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure. - Mark Twain
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Lykouleon
Bad Kitty Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:12:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Hickock AMERICA......**** YEA!
BOOKS!!!!! Don't click on this. No, really, don't, it'll make your eyes bleed. |
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Brock Nelson
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:25:00 -
[11]
CELEBRATE BIN LADEN'S DEATH BY PURCHASING MY CARRIER BPC PACK. CONTRACT CAN BE FOUND IN MY BIO
Investor Relation | BSAC SE Listing |

Samjack2
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:42:00 -
[12]
http://www.whitehouse.gov/live
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darklegionca
Caldari Dark Deliverance Holdings
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:44:00 -
[13]
2011.05.1 20:03:00
Victim: Osama Bin Laden Corp: Al Queda Alliance: Unknown Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Capsule System: Pakistan Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 439
Involved parties:
Name: GI Joe (laid the final blow) Security: 0.0 Corp: U.S Army Alliance: United States of America Faction: NONE Ship: Thrasher Weapon: 280mm Howitzer Artillery II Damage Done: 439 Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist |

ChaeDoc II
Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: ChaeDoc II on 02/05/2011 03:52:32 In before the political discussion lock.
(would they dare?)
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NeoShocker
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:55:00 -
[15]
I know he'll be caught eventually, but how did he get ganked? ----------------------------------- Peace through power! |

Wrayeth
EdgeGamers Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:56:00 -
[16]
Edited by: Wrayeth on 02/05/2011 03:58:02
Originally by: darklegionca 2011.05.1 20:03:00
Victim: Osama Bin Laden Corp: Al Queda Alliance: Unknown Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Capsule System: Pakistan Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 439
Involved parties:
Name: GI Joe (laid the final blow) Security: 0.0 Corp: U.S. Navy Alliance: United States of America Faction: NONE Ship: Navy SEAL Weapon: Mk 18 Mod 0 Damage Done: 439
Fixed your post.
Also, while the death of another human being is always a horrible occurrence, I still have to say that the world is a better place as a result. It's about time that we got him. -Wrayeth --> Insert Useless Signature Here <-- |

Yazzinra
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:57:00 -
[17]
Vengeance.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:58:00 -
[18]
Can't wait for when the US military decides to go after Christian targets.
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yosamitesam
The Pwny Express
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: NeoShocker I know he'll be caught eventually, but how did he get ganked?
a medic killed him with the defibrillator
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Wrayeth
EdgeGamers Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:02:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Alpheias Can't wait for when the US military decides to go after Christian targets.
See: Germany, 1942-1944 -Wrayeth --> Insert Useless Signature Here <-- |
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: NeoShocker I know he'll be caught eventually, but how did he get ganked?
he tried to fly a bunch of AK-47s through a US Army gate camp in an Ibis.
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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias Can't wait for when the US military decides to go after Christian targets.
His religious affiliation had as much to do with his being targeted as his facial hair did.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias Can't wait for when the US military decides to go after Christian targets.
See: Germany, 1942-1944
Heh. True. Still, I am calling BS on his death, until they can affirm the identity.
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Roosterton
The 57th Overlanders
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: Roosterton on 02/05/2011 04:07:28
Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 02/05/2011 03:58:02
Originally by: darklegionca 2011.05.1 20:03:00
Victim: Osama Bin Laden Corp: Al Qaeda Alliance: Unknown Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Capsule System: Pakistan Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 439
Involved parties:
Name: GI Joe (laid the final blow) Security: 0.0 Corp: U.S. Navy Alliance: United States of America Faction: NONE Ship: Navy SEAL Weapon: Mk 18 Mod 0 Damage Done: 439
Fixed your post.
Also, while the death of another human being is always a horrible occurrence, I still have to say that the world is a better place as a result. It's about time that we got him.
Further fixed the post. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
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Lykouleon
Bad Kitty Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:09:00 -
[25]
Does anyone else find it a little weird that President Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech was also on May 1st?  Don't click on this. No, really, don't, it'll make your eyes bleed. |

Natasi01
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:11:00 -
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Did you get coorpse?
but /meh, doesn't change anything. Everyone with half a brain knows the US isn't in Iraw/Afghanistan because of Bin Laden.
I'm watching a live stream and this historical revisionism is ****ing killing me.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cephelange du'Krevviq
Originally by: Alpheias Can't wait for when the US military decides to go after Christian targets.
His religious affiliation had as much to do with his being targeted as his facial hair did.
While that is debatable, but basically, to draw the wrath of the world it either takes megalomania or religion or both.
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Natasi01
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lykouleon Does anyone else find it a little weird that President Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech was also on May 1st? 
ooh I see...that would be unfortunate.
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Wrayeth
EdgeGamers Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:15:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 02/05/2011 04:18:32
Originally by: Alpheias Still, I am calling BS on his death, until they can affirm the identity.
I expect many people around the world are waiting for the hard evidence. Even so, I doubt they would announce something like this unless it was true, mostly because it would be subject to such a high level of scrutiny. EDIT: To clarify, since the truth would come out eventually, lying about it would simply leave a huge black stain on the United States' credibility around the world; as such, it would be counter-productive to all of our country's aims. -Wrayeth --> Insert Useless Signature Here <-- |

Allataria
Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:18:00 -
[30]
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Osamas%20Been%20Podded
Yes its already been taken as a name... lolol
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Alpheias on 02/05/2011 04:18:55
Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias Still, I am calling BS on his death, until they can affirm the identity.
I expect many people around the world are waiting for the hard evidence. Even so, I doubt they would announce something like this unless it was true, mostly because it would be subject to such a high level of scrutiny.
I recall the Bush administration announcing that a certain dictator in Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and harbored Terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda....
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Royaldo
Gallente Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:21:00 -
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In a house(cnn reported first a mansion), Obama used the word compound, near islamabad.
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Wrayeth
EdgeGamers Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 02/05/2011 04:27:40
Originally by: Alpheias I recall the Bush administration announcing that a certain dictator in Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and harbored Terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda....
Touche. I won't go into what I think of the previous administration, but I will point out a large difference: Bush only thought said Iraqi dictator had WMD's. This time, we have the evidence; we have the body as proof. It would be stupid for Obama to announce we took down Bin Laden without having confirmed the corpse's identity beyond a doubt. -Wrayeth --> Insert Useless Signature Here <-- |

Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:26:00 -
[34]
Finally! :relief::tears:
Originally by: CCP Shadow ...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias I recall the Bush administration announcing that a certain dictator in Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and harbored Terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda....
Touche. I won't go into what I think of the previous administration, but I will point out a large difference: Bush only thought said Iraqi dictator had WMD's. This time, we have the evidence; we have the body as proof. It would be stupid of Obama to announce we took down Bin Laden without having confirmed the corpse's identity beyond a doubt.
I agree with you on that. But I am waiting for the identify of said corpse to be confirmed before I write Bin Laden off.
And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
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simon perry
Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:29:00 -
[36]
World Hide And Go Seek Champion (2001 - 2011)
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Wrayeth
EdgeGamers Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
True. It's a slippery slope, but I expect the SEALs were instructed to capture him alive if possible, but by no means let him escape. They've announced there was a firefight, and they may not have been able to take him prisoner alive so that he could face justice; I expect there's only so much you can do when somebody's shooting at you. -Wrayeth --> Insert Useless Signature Here <-- |

Reiisha
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
True. It's a slippery slope, but I expect the SEALs were instructed to capture him alive if possible, but by no means let him escape. They've announced there was a firefight, and they may not have been able to take him prisoner alive so that he could face justice; I expect there's only so much you can do when somebody's shooting at you.
Gotta be honest, there are few Usians who wouldn't want to have pulled the trigger themselves. The possibility of them going in ahead is pretty real and shouldn't be dismissed, though in the end it doesn't really matter anyway.
And yes, not using "Americans" anymore as a word to describe people from the US. There's a lot of other countries on the continents with "America" in their names and i got pretty annoyed with it >_>
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias
And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
And if the guy is busy trying to gouge out your remaining eye? There's a difference between revenge and security.
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Kiesha Elarik
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:45:00 -
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Officially they were told to take him alive or dead, but I bet unofficially, they just wanted him dead, avoid the trouble of a trial and such.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Alpheias
And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
And if the guy is busy trying to gouge out your remaining eye? There's a difference between revenge and security.

Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
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Wrayeth
EdgeGamers Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
Question: Do you believe criminals should be brought to justice so they can't commit more crimes in the future? So that they are forced to face up to the consequences of their actions? -Wrayeth --> Insert Useless Signature Here <-- |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias
Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Alpheias
And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
And if the guy is busy trying to gouge out your remaining eye? There's a difference between revenge and security.

Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
1 less terrorist plotter/leader securer I believe.
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:56:00 -
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Americans are probably in more danger now than they were 2 days ago. Maybe they should have been delivering him food and stuff to make sure he was comfortable... you know, for security's sake.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:00:00 -
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America victor.
That is all. ------------------- The path which can be seen is not the True Path |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
Question: Do you believe criminals should be brought to justice so they can't commit more crimes in the future? So that they are forced to face up to the consequences of their actions?
Sure. But I don't believe in a juridical system where the "Eye for an eye" principle rules supreme (case in point, the eerie ease some courts in the US sentences people left and right to death).
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias
Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
Question: Do you believe criminals should be brought to justice so they can't commit more crimes in the future? So that they are forced to face up to the consequences of their actions?
Sure. But I don't believe in a juridical system where the "Eye for an eye" principle rules supreme (case in point, the eerie ease some courts in the US sentences people left and right to death).
How about around 10,000 eyes for an eye? I don't believe in the death penalty either but seriously, stop trolling.
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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:05:00 -
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I don't see it as an eye for an eye in this case; it's more a case of arranging a direct meeting with Allah so they can have a chat.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias
Sure. But I don't believe in a juridical system where the "Eye for an eye" principle rules supreme (case in point, the eerie ease some courts in the US sentences people left and right to death).
I understand your POV and I do respect it.
But speaking as a native New Yorker, all I can say is...
AMERICA! F*** YEAH!

New Tales of the Dark Amarr |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: ChaeDoc II Americans are probably in more danger now than they were 2 days ago. Maybe they should have been delivering him food and stuff to make sure he was comfortable... you know, for security's sake.
I can only think her point was that it won't change things much and she might be right or even increase retaliation strikes for a short term, but there really wasn't alternatives to this. When someone is actively plotting to kill you, you have the right to kill him by self defence justification alone. Outside personal beliefs of a few fringe individuals there isn't going to be anyone who has serious objections to this outcome.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:15:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: ChaeDoc II Americans are probably in more danger now than they were 2 days ago. Maybe they should have been delivering him food and stuff to make sure he was comfortable... you know, for security's sake.
I can only think her point was that it won't change things much and she might be right or even increase retaliation strikes for a short term, but there really wasn't alternatives to this. When someone is actively plotting to kill you, you have the right to kill him by self defence justification alone. Outside personal beliefs of a few fringe individuals there isn't going to be anyone who has serious objections to this outcome.
You are right on that it won't really change much since the term 'war on terror' is now thrown around so loosely and it seems, just seems, to me that you don't need much anymore to call on military action against a country other than suspecting harboring of terrorists and whatnot (or wanting their oil).
Sure, if someone is actively plotting to kill you, but how many is actually plotting to kill you, the individual that wrote the above? A terrorist attack is hardly meant to specifically target individuals but rather places and areas where people gather to deliver the maximum effect of shock, fear and horror with massive collateral damage (lives, buildings etc)
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:29:00 -
[52]
The real question is:
How will Al-Quada respond.
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the plague
Anthraxus Defense Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:30:00 -
[53]
Edited by: the plague on 02/05/2011 05:30:00 The world is a better place tonight.
Great job, US forces.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:00:00 -
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Sadly killing him made him a martyr, still they probably didnt have a choice. Good job for sure.
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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Sadly killing him made him a martyr, still they probably didnt have a choice. Good job for sure.
Know what martyrs all have in common? They're dead.
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Something Random
Gallente The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:24:00 -
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So they finally found the ****er..... Take that Big Nose !!!!!
To the brave Ops... I SMELL MEDALS !!!
Congrats, took time but is still worth it whatever the trolls say.
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:34:00 -
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Congratulations to all! On NBC news, a NY fireman who survived that day had the following quote, "The face of evil, is dead." Couldn't have summed it up better myself.
The podding of the decade! __ Gothie <3 |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gothikia Congratulations to all! On NBC news, a NY fireman who survived that day had the following quote, "The face of evil, is dead." Couldn't have summed it up better myself.
The podding of the decade!
Muppet quote of the century too!
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias
Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
How secure is anyone who sits on their thumbs and waits for their enemy to attack?
The US and many countries worldwide have been dismantling Al Qaeda and killing off its leadership. The Jasmine Revolutions have shown Al Qaeda to be a non-player. If Al Qaeda cannot mount any kind of meaningful retaliation to avenge the loss of their leader, then Al Qaeda isn't going to have any credibility left.
I don't think Osama the martyr is going to bring in as many recruits and funding as a living breathing Osama "Defying the West for 10+ Years" bin Laden.
Also, don't forget that Pakistan has nukes and a government being threatened by extremists such as Al Qaeda. A stable Pakistan is in interests of US security.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Alpheias
Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
How secure is anyone who sits on their thumbs and waits for their enemy to attack?
The US and many countries worldwide have been dismantling Al Qaeda and killing off its leadership. The Jasmine Revolutions have shown Al Qaeda to be a non-player. If Al Qaeda cannot mount any kind of meaningful retaliation to avenge the loss of their leader, then Al Qaeda isn't going to have any credibility left.
I don't think Osama the martyr is going to bring in as many recruits and funding as a living breathing Osama "Defying the West for 10+ Years" bin Laden.
Also, don't forget that Pakistan has nukes and a government being threatened by extremists such as Al Qaeda. A stable Pakistan is in interests of US security.
Exactly what are you trying to say? I am seeing words but little coherency.
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Loose Chick
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Posted - 2011.05.02 07:13:00 -
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was probably someone who looked like him and this was a convenient opportunity to claim victory (lol after 10 years)
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.02 07:14:00 -
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I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure. - Mark Twain
Originally by: ChaeDoc II Americans are probably in more danger now than they were 2 days ago. Maybe they should have been delivering him food and stuff to make sure he was comfortable... you know, for security's sake.
and Americans are now in more danger from the people who have sworn there lives to kill us. . .
that does not compute.
Originally by: Sader Rykane The real question is:
How will Al-Quada respond.
The real question is, if you had a loaded gun and were standing face to face with someone you knew had a bomb on a bus loaded with school kids and a he just told you if you kill me you make me a marter. . . do you shoot him in the face anyway to keep him from blowing up you and the bus full of kids or do you let him blow up a bus full of kids.
or as I said before. . .The idea that somehow because of this we are now more in danger from the people who have sworn there lives to kill us. . . does not compute.
.End of line.
If your too paranoid to play EvE. . . ...then your not paranoid enough to play EvE ----------------
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2011.05.02 07:26:00 -
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Al-Kaleda (or however you spell it) were quite enthusiastic about attacking us anyway, so I doubt this will crank up the threat level. I suppose the best outcome for this would be that without their figure head, Al-whatever will split into separate factions due to idealogical differences and start attacking each other.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.02 07:28:00 -
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interesting, the real question is why now ? cause of libia ? japan cernobyl ? because Vermont got public healthcare ? why this distraction now 
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.05.02 07:33:00 -
[65]
inb4 Istvaan Shogaatsu claims responsibility for killing Osama
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.05.02 07:41:00 -
[66]
Originally by: ceaon interesting, the real question is why now ? cause of libia ? japan cernobyl ? because Vermont got public healthcare ? why this distraction now 
Because they only just found him.
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Zedic
Amarr Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.05.02 07:42:00 -
[67]
"Zion's Child -"I'm glad this forum is filled with idiots. It just wouldn't be any fun without people like Blane, Zedic, Surf and Jago. Your antics are what make OOPE such a joy to co |

Siri Irme
Peyrol's Resources Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.05.02 07:47:00 -
[68]
gf!
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Cpl Punnishment
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.05.02 07:59:00 -
[69]
Good riddance to bad baggage!
One less idiot in the gene pool.
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Brenya Perircle
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Posted - 2011.05.02 08:16:00 -
[70]
Welp, I guess the CIA has no use for him anymore.
and....
Counter-Terrorists win.
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Pentinor
The Dark Horses.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 08:17:00 -
[71]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: ceaon interesting, the real question is why now ? cause of libia ? japan cernobyl ? because Vermont got public healthcare ? why this distraction now 
Because they only just found him.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.05.02 08:23:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Steve Thomas I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure. - Mark Twain
Originally by: ChaeDoc II Americans are probably in more danger now than they were 2 days ago. Maybe they should have been delivering him food and stuff to make sure he was comfortable... you know, for security's sake.
and Americans are now in more danger from the people who have sworn there lives to kill us. . .
that does not compute.
Originally by: Sader Rykane The real question is:
How will Al-Quada respond.
The real question is, if you had a loaded gun and were standing face to face with someone you knew had a bomb on a bus loaded with school kids and a he just told you if you kill me you make me a marter. . . do you shoot him in the face anyway to keep him from blowing up you and the bus full of kids or do you let him blow up a bus full of kids.
or as I said before. . .The idea that somehow because of this we are now more in danger from the people who have sworn there lives to kill us. . . does not compute.
I never said killing him was a bad Idea, I'm just pointing out that if there was a time to be vigilant now would definitively be it. If A-Q had a campaign strategist, he'd be telling them to blow up something and do it quick.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.05.02 08:29:00 -
[73]
Fox news strikes (out) again.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.05.02 08:33:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Sader Rykane Fox news strikes (out) again.

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Buxaroo
Gallente Versatech Co. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.05.02 09:05:00 -
[75]
For some of you arguing that this will make the terrorists more mad.....so what? It's not like these backward mental midgets need MORE reason to hate us. They declared war on us, they have killed thousands of innocent people and sacrifice themselves at every opportunity. And why should we give a flying **** about their feelings or making them mad?
These people you do not show meekness, you do not hesitate. You crush them without mercy. These are not honorable foes on the battlefield, these people are following a deluded mindset which has no reason but dying in praise of some big daddy in the sky. You can't reason with that whatsoever.
What a joke. "The meek shall inherit the earth"
Yeah, they will be buried in it.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.02 09:14:00 -
[76]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: ceaon interesting, the real question is why now ? cause of libia ? japan cernobyl ? because Vermont got public healthcare ? why this distraction now 
Because they only just found him.
there where is my trial ? if it took so long to get him can be a pity to get him and dont have a trial no ?
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.02 09:47:00 -
[77]
My only regret is that he wasn't in the Baghlan province when I was over there and it wasn't my rifle that got him. Would've been fap material for the next decade 
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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IsTheOpOver
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Posted - 2011.05.02 09:47:00 -
[78]
The Op is indeed over.
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
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Posted - 2011.05.02 09:58:00 -
[79]
bout time :)
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Boots McKenzie
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Posted - 2011.05.02 10:01:00 -
[80]
To person saying they want proof, the US took his body with them on their way out for a DNA test.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.02 10:18:00 -
[81]
Just because it bears on the situation, I was in Hooters when it was announced. 
Weird thing is, there was a live MLB game going on and they didn't stop the game 
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.02 10:32:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Boots McKenzie To person saying they want proof, the US took his body with them on their way out for a DNA test.
and they will compare this DNA whit a old DNA sample ?
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.05.02 10:42:00 -
[83]
Shocking! Logged in this morning, fired up my news feed and there it was, "Bin Laden Dead!". I thought he died years ago :p. Congratulations to US Special Forces.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.02 10:45:00 -
[84]
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.02 10:49:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Now we can expect the patriot act to end and US pull out their forces, right?
Yes, terrorism is defeated and tomorrow we pull everyone out
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Hermosa Diosas
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.02 10:56:00 -
[86]
Seems a bit too strange to me..
No evidence, no body shown, just immediately dumped in the sea in like matter of hours - seriously come on...
No one can even check if it was him or not, you dont just dump a body in the sea that quick - why would you do that?
Yet another dodgy US cover up/*******s story.
Prob paid him off few hunderd million to disappear....
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.05.02 10:59:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Seems a bit too strange to me..
No evidence, no body shown, just immediately dumped in the sea in like matter of hours - seriously come on...
No one can even check if it was him or not, you dont just dump a body in the sea that quick - why would you do that?
Yet another dodgy US cover up/*******s story.
Prob paid him off few hunderd million to disappear....
I'm sure there are plenty of videos, photographs, DNA samples and eye witnesses to go around that will be released in the coming days.
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Gabber359
Caldari The Exploited. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.05.02 11:08:00 -
[88]
Would have been nice to have dragged his deadbeat ass along the streets of Washington behind a Hummer, then put his head on a pike on the White House lawn. Just saying. Burial at sea so quick is a bit naff, but I suppose they wanted to avoid any uproar. The only thing I fear, is running out of beer! |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.02 11:15:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Gabber359 Would have been nice to have dragged his deadbeat ass along the streets of Washington behind a Hummer, then put his head on a pike on the White House lawn. Just saying. Burial at sea so quick is a bit naff, but I suppose they wanted to avoid any uproar.
Burial at sea is the short version. No countries wanted it and we weren't bringing it back so we threw it overboard when no one was looking
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.02 11:15:00 -
[90]
The first idiot conspiracy theorist who claims it's fake gets throat punched.
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UKM Thorgrim
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 11:19:00 -
[91]
So Osama Bin Laden is dead, amazing what the Fat Americans can do when the Playstation Network is down Honour & Steel. |

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2011.05.02 11:19:00 -
[92]
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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Unfortunate Soldiers
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Posted - 2011.05.02 11:20:00 -
[93]
First off...BOOM! HEADSHOT!
Second, we just made the man a martyr. This could end worse for us.
Third, I was in the train station when Obama came on and pretty much said, "BOOM! HEADSHOT!" There were cheers, shouts of "Oorah!" (I was one of them), "Hooah!" and the like. There were people singing the songs of their armed forces branches, and in general people were happy to see the ****er dead.
So OORAH! to the SEALs, and Semper Fi for ****ing his world up! ***** ***** ***** *****
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Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.02 11:40:00 -
[94]
Hasta la vista, baby.
May you spend eternity in your paradise surrounded by 72 Virginians. __________________________________________________ Name a shrub after me; something prickly and hard to eradicate. |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.02 11:48:00 -
[95]
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.02 11:49:00 -
[96]

Fox News could f*ck up a rock fight.
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Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.02 11:50:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Akita T
  
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.05.02 12:18:00 -
[98]
While I am sick of the pair of endless wars the US has found itself in.... the only thing I have to say is:
Nice shot.
Hope he sucks a turd in Hell.
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northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 12:32:00 -
[99]
death certificate. pls! or I don't believe it :)  ------------------------------------
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Captain Eliiot
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Posted - 2011.05.02 12:35:00 -
[100]
I wanna believe that Osama was the mastermind behind 9/11, I wanna believe he was the absolute operator of Al Quada, I also want to believe that he was able to evade us this long because of our lack of intel. But tinfoil hat or not when Navy seals break into a compound kill him in 44minute gun fight, then immediatley steam to the coast to give him a funeral in the splash without DNA, photos, or even a body to present to the public which seemed to be no issue with Sadam. Were to just swallow this??
The student loan department can find anyone anywhere, we have the best intel networks in the world. This boogyman has been rumored to be in terrible health for years now and living in the mountains. If believing that he was the figurehead behind all the destrucition and now he is dead makes you feel better then believe it. Someday the future will look back at the first 10 years of the 21st century and be in aw the BS we settled for to ease our mind.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 12:46:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Astenion The first idiot conspiracy theorist who claims it's fake gets throat punched.
I am calling it fake until his identity has been confirmed, because the picture of him that is floating around now kinda looks like someone that took a grenade in the face or finnish people drinking (yes, they drink that much, icelandic has nothing on them!)
♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/ |

Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.05.02 12:51:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Alpheias
Originally by: Astenion The first idiot conspiracy theorist who claims it's fake gets throat punched.
I am calling it fake until his identity has been confirmed, because the picture of him that is floating around now kinda looks like someone that took a grenade in the face or finnish people drinking (yes, they drink that much, icelandic has nothing on them!)
Bullets these days, especially soft-nosed, can take an arm or a leg off and more than likely remove your face at close range. Anyway, it doesn't matter what proof gets presented, a certain group of people will always believe absolutely everything the Government says or does is a conspiracy and a lie.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.05.02 13:06:00 -
[103]
I believe in 2002 they captured some bodyguards that were close to him. They we're reported to have orders to kill him themselves so he wouldnt be taken alive.
Perhaps it's true perhaps not all speculation at this point.
Will this change anything? Guess we'll find out. It did change the shape of my face to .
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.05.02 13:15:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Zedic
Win !
Puts on tinfoil hat...isn't it election time soon ?  I'm kidding  ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Katana Kitty
Caldari Evil Monkey Asylum The Wrong Kind Of Itch
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Posted - 2011.05.02 13:15:00 -
[105]
bastard deserved it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382649/Osama-bin-Laden-worlds-wanted-terrorist-killed-U-S-forces-Pakistan.html
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.05.02 13:15:00 -
[106]
i`m not believing it untill alex jones says its so 
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.05.02 13:17:00 -
[107]
buried at sea, really?
at the very least they could have buried him on land so they'd have something to exhume every few months to point at and say, 'for real, we're serius.'
also, i kinda expected that the military with all their billions of funding AND the alphabet soup of secret security guys with their undisclosed budgets could have been a little more prompt about it. i rather expected Bush to have made Osama's head into a hood ornament for the presidential limo within a week of the towers coming down.
and yes, i do believe that Obama should have made bin Laden's head into a hood ornament. anything would be better than a burial at sea.
Originally by: CCP Shadow The trolls have been vanquished.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.05.02 13:20:00 -
[108]
Originally by: UKM Thorgrim So Osama Bin Laden is dead, amazing what the Fat Americans can do when the Playstation Network is down
Best line I've heard so far!
Of course Donald Trump is already demanding the death certificate.
Tea-Baggers are also probably going to complain that Obama took too long in ganking him.
Amarrica Victor! 
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.05.02 13:21:00 -
[109]
They buried him at sea so for the next 100 years 1/4th the population can be ******ed and make up conspiracy theories.... It turns out this is an effective method to keeping them in their basements.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.05.02 13:24:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 02/05/2011 13:27:19
Originally by: Blacksquirrel They buried him at sea so for the next 100 years 1/4th the population can be ******ed and make up conspiracy theories.... It turns out this is an effective method to keeping them in their basements.
There are only two reasons for an abrupt burial at sea
1.) The soldiers that killed him did stuff to his frozen corpse they do not want the world to know about 2.) They thought they had his body... but really did not have it (dead or not dead)
When they got Sadam there were pictures, where are the pictures? I see one obvious photoshop fake on the web where Osama's face was painted onto some guy with a "white Caucasian" shoulder. 
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.05.02 13:31:00 -
[111]
^
Point proven.
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Citizen20100211442
Minmatar Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2011.05.02 13:31:00 -
[112]
Rule is simple - dont be a partner with CIA. After doing your work, you'll be dumped
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.05.02 13:33:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 02/05/2011 13:35:43
Originally by: Blacksquirrel ^
Point proven.
And maybe your a fool who just believes anything they are spoon fed without evidence? I did not say that he was still alive, I said I will not simply believe something because it is on TV. In this century we require evidence not just peoples word.
Can I has photo, dental or DNA proof? If not then "our logs show nothing"
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.05.02 13:45:00 -
[114]
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
and trying to argue ration with the irrational is just as irrational.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.02 14:00:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 02/05/2011 14:01:31
Originally by: Blacksquirrel Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
and trying to argue ration with the irrational is just as irrational.
Maybe try reason then?
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.05.02 14:06:00 -
[116]
just had a thought .... isnt obama running for re-election ?. it wont do his poll ratings any harm will it ?
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.05.02 14:09:00 -
[117]
Sure enough. But his claim was that I believe everything I hear/see. I could claim for the very same reasoning that he believes the same just in fact the direct opposite.
Now the reasoning part comes from say the scale...real conspiracy that have been busted/caught dont make things quite so grandiose. What is the reason for the conspiracy is my first question....If it doesnt have to do with making money or covering someones ass/staying out of jail. I have doubts about it being a conspiracy.
The real question is do we really think Pakistan knew nothing of his whereabouts given what 5 miles? from their military academy...
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Sonic Slayer
Minmatar Guardian Heroes Inc. Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.05.02 14:20:00 -
[118]
So Osama's been laid out and buried at sea! Semper Fidelis! He hit us on 9/11, we got him on Mayday. BOOM! Headshot! Oorah!
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.05.02 14:20:00 -
[119]
CIA: "Point"
US Army: "Point!"
US SFs: "Webbed, he's goin down"
SEALS: "podded"
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.05.02 14:21:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
The real question is do we really think Pakistan knew nothing of his whereabouts given what 5 miles? from their military academy...
Now you're just making things up. Here's a quote from one news source.
Quote: The house was 100 yards from the gate of the Kakul Military Academy, an army run institution where top officers train. A Pakistan intelligence official said the property where bin Laden was staying was 3,000 square feet.
So not 5 miles, but their god damn next door neighbour. 
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.05.02 14:35:00 -
[121]
LOL @people really believing that Bin Laden was killed there.
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Deganos
Caldari Kornova Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2011.05.02 14:40:00 -
[122]
Only a naieve fool would think the world is a better place now. Sadly there are alot of naieve fools in our world.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 14:43:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Deganos Only a naieve fool would think the world is a better place now. Sadly there are alot of naieve fools in our world.
****! Can we get ****** back too?
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Deganos
Caldari Kornova Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2011.05.02 14:49:00 -
[124]
I have no idea actually how you could compare Hit ler with someone like Osama Bin laden. It was an entirely diffrent situation back then.
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Sonic Slayer
Minmatar Guardian Heroes Inc. Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.05.02 14:55:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Hoya en Marland LOL @people really believing that Bin Laden was killed there.
*Sonic Slayer gives the slow clap while leaning against a bulkhead. *CLAP* ... *CLAP* ... *CLAP* ... *CLAP*
I'm sure that there will be people that will say that he is hiding out with Elvis and/or the space aliens as well. Regardless, time to shift fire and primary the new top dog while the Michael Moore's and Donald Trump's whine and complain and dispute facts like DNA and why they don't believe something unless they themselves see it right in front of them... even though they have no education on forensics or DNA or anything. The nay-sayers would probably have wanted to have Osama's body hung up on display as well stoking outrage within the terrorist organizations and provoking a bigger retaliation response from them than if we did it as quickly as we did.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.05.02 15:05:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Deganos Edited by: Deganos on 02/05/2011 14:53:45 Edited by: Deganos on 02/05/2011 14:52:58 I have no idea actually how you could compare Hit ler with someone like Osama Bin laden. It was an entirely different situation back then.
Hit ler was the dictator of a nation wich at the end of it's existence had very little support from it's people. Osama Bin Laden was a Symbol for alot radical muslim terrorists, many of wich have nothing to do with al-Qaeda. He has now become a martyr to them.
Dead is dead, keep lining the martyrs up and see how long they care to make their list.
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Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.02 15:06:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Deganos Only a naieve fool would think the world is a better place now. Sadly there are alot of naieve fools in our world.
US Navy Seals: making the world a better place, one murdering bastard at a time.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.05.02 15:08:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Blacksquirrel Mindless, Confused Rant
I will see your rant and raise you an "After a 10 year manhunt this would not stand up in any court of law"
The world deserved proof and a big fat serving of post post-mortem evidence, not just a "We got him" on the morning news. But now the supposed body of "the most wanted man alive" is laying at the bottom of the ocean instead.
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.05.02 15:11:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Deganos Only a naieve fool would think the world is a better place now. Sadly there are alot of naieve fools in our world.
Well it's certainly a less evil place, which can't be anythin but a good thing.
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Grrrrrrrre
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Posted - 2011.05.02 15:18:00 -
[130]
Personally I think he got off easy. I would of crippled him and let the family of his victims have at him. The same goes for any murderer or rapist. I wonder if in his last moments he realised that for all the hate he had for us. He created more hate for him and his supporters amongst us. Justice can only come from a victim of the act. A jury can decide legality and deem responsibility and truth. But justice and legality are proven separate entity's.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.05.02 15:19:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Sonic Slayer
Originally by: Hoya en Marland LOL @people really believing that Bin Laden was killed there.
*Sonic Slayer gives the slow clap while leaning against a bulkhead. *CLAP* ... *CLAP* ... *CLAP* ... *CLAP*
I'm sure that there will be people that will say that he is hiding out with Elvis and/or the space aliens as well. Regardless, time to shift fire and primary the new top dog while the Michael Moore's and Donald Trump's whine and complain and dispute facts like DNA and why they don't believe something unless they themselves see it right in front of them... even though they have no education on forensics or DNA or anything. The nay-sayers would probably have wanted to have Osama's body hung up on display as well stoking outrage within the terrorist organizations and provoking a bigger retaliation response from them than if we did it as quickly as we did.
And now that you covered every possibility in a nutshell... I can't help but wonder if you actually said anything at all?
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.05.02 15:32:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Sonic Slayer
Originally by: Hoya en Marland LOL @people really believing that Bin Laden was killed there.
*Sonic Slayer gives the slow clap while leaning against a bulkhead. *CLAP* ... *CLAP* ... *CLAP* ... *CLAP*
I'm sure that there will be people that will say that he is hiding out with Elvis and/or the space aliens as well. Regardless, time to shift fire and primary the new top dog while the Michael Moore's and Donald Trump's whine and complain and dispute facts like DNA and why they don't believe something unless they themselves see it right in front of them... even though they have no education on forensics or DNA or anything. The nay-sayers would probably have wanted to have Osama's body hung up on display as well stoking outrage within the terrorist organizations and provoking a bigger retaliation response from them than if we did it as quickly as we did.
Oh come on. US propaganda machinery failed hard with this one. All they've managed to do was to manufacture this cheap fairytale so that Bin Laden and his imaginary terrorist organization can be finally pushed into some dusty corner, never to be looked at again. They served their purpose well and now it's time to forget and move on to new enemies... err, projects.
Also, not LOL, but ROFL @this blatantly photoshopped then officialy published picture of allegedly "dead" Bin Laden http://www.pressonline.rs/upload/boxImageData/2011/4/2/137714/binladenmontaza.jpg http://www.pressonline.rs/upload/boxImageData/2011/4/2/137716/bin-laden-fotomontaza2.jpg
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Originally by: Hoya en Marland Also... not LOL, but ROFL @this blatantly photoshopped picture of allegedly "dead" Bin Laden, showed on Pakistan TV news http://www.pressonline.rs/upload/boxImageData/2011/4/2/137714/binladenmontaza.jpg http://www.pressonline.rs/upload/boxImageData/2011/4/2/137716/bin-laden-fotomontaza2.jpg
That known fake picture has been circulating around for two years, official pictures of his corpse have not been released yet.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:03:00 -
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as for Burial at sea, I can honestly see Mr. Lindsey ordering them to get that garbage overboard. More practicaly a burrial at sea at co-ordinates unknown is just fine with me. One less shrine dedicated to the latest random sycopath on the planet.
.End of line.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:27:00 -
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Spain have a long history fighting ETA but at some point they did something stupid killing ppl whit no trail using death squads (GAL) and of some ministers did go to jail or on trial for doing this.
Now a nobel prize winner sign the death of other human on other country just because he can instead of bribing Bin Laden to a international court, now dozens of less intelligent humans party and are happy about this event instead of thinking about how many implication this can have, if you are happy about this all i can say "shame on you"
Whit this the western society that claim high moral grounds so many times just went down, way down in mud and it went so low that is just a inch above Bin Laden itself.
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon Spain have a long history fighting ETA but at some point they did something stupid killing ppl whit no trail using death squads (GAL) and of some ministers did go to jail or on trial for doing this.
Now a nobel prize winner sign the death of other human on other country just because he can instead of bribing Bin Laden to a international court, now dozens of less intelligent humans party and are happy about this event instead of thinking about how many implication this can have, if you are happy about this all i can say "shame on you"
Whit this the western society that claim high moral grounds so many times just went down, way down in mud and it went so low that is just a inch above Bin Laden itself.
If you love him so much why not get some scuba gear and have an underwater postmortem wedding?
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:35:00 -
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tbh two things must be told here:
a) Obama just won the elections with this; and b) considering that Bin Laden wasn't considered "leadership" for some time, and that Al-Qaeda works in a cell-structure and not pyramid, killing him was just more for symbolism than actual strategic value. Al-Qaeda will still work, and things didn't changed much at all. If any, you people just created a martyr, and made things more dicey. ---
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Originally by: Grimpak tbh two things must be told here:
a) Obama just won the elections with this; and b) considering that Bin Laden wasn't considered "leadership" for some time, and that Al-Qaeda works in a cell-structure and not pyramid, killing him was just more for symbolism than actual strategic value. Al-Qaeda will still work, and things didn't changed much at all. If any, you people just created a martyr, and made things more dicey.
no kidding, you mean when you kill figureheads they can sometimes become martyrs for their cause?
stop the presses. wow, who knew.
if only we knew then what we know now. boy i bet obama and seal team 6 are really regretting killing him now huh?
/no one cares 
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Culmen
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre
Originally by: Zedic
Win !
Puts on tinfoil hat...isn't it election time soon ?  I'm kidding 
Seconded,
This was a good kill. But I think it's not really going to affect anything.
Lefties like Obama anyway Righties will claim that it's faked.
Al Queda will turn Osama into a martyr, but this really won't have any affect on them at all. It's not like they can hate America anymore then they already do.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:43:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia if only we knew then what we know now. boy i bet obama and seal team 6 are really regretting killing him now huh?
/no one cares 
then why the celebration?
you people (justified or not, tbh won't go there) killed a guy that has been carrying less and less weight on al-qaeda leadership since like 2007 or before. at the very least, stuff will go on as yesterday or the day before; at most, al-qaeda will have their terrorist efforts re-doubled.
so yeah, you killed a figurehead that lost its strategic value ages ago but still was a political boon for any president in office.
go you? ---
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CharmingButIrrational
Roswell Project Victimz
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:52:00 -
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woot martyrdom \o/
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:52:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 02/05/2011 16:53:19
Originally by: Grimpak
go you?
basically
no one really thought he was still the super mastermind running everything. for that matter, we have plenty more concerns regarding terrorism that have nothing to do with al qaeda
Not sure why some people have sand in their hatchet wounds over this. People die everyday. Yesterday we found out a rather ****-ish one died to a seal team bullet. He won't be missed.
go us! (edited for accuracy)
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Grimpak
go you?
basically
no one really thought he was still the super mastermind running everything. for that matter, we have plenty more concerns regarding terrorism that have nothing to do with al qaeda
Not sure why some people have sand in their hatchet wounds over this. People die everyday. Today a rather ****-ish one died to a seal team bullet. He won't be missed.
go us!
good thing you understand that. now go celebrate your revenge, but don't forget that stuff's still bad. ---
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Lykouleon
Bad Kitty Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:55:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Lykouleon on 02/05/2011 16:55:20
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian When they got Sadam there were pictures, where are the pictures?
Yes...because just like ******, Osama was executed in a manner that was condemed by the international community and recorded on cellphone cameras.

edit: *******'s name is censored?! 
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:55:00 -
[145]
As far as I know, the body was disposed of in the Islamic way. Apparently that means the body is washed, wrapped in a white sheet/shroud and disposed of within 24 hours of death. This is what the US Navy says it did and I for one have no problem with it. Photographs and DNA samples were taken. I don't expect these to be released in the near future if at all.
The funny thing is if you think about it you've got no personal proof of any event you didn't personally witness, so what is it about this one that makes you think it didn't happen? Conspiracy theorists fail logic.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon Spain have a long history fighting ETA but at some point they did something stupid killing ppl whit no trail using death squads (GAL) and of some ministers did go to jail or on trial for doing this.
Now a nobel prize winner sign the death of other human on other country just because he can instead of bribing Bin Laden to a international court, now dozens of less intelligent humans party and are happy about this event instead of thinking about how many implication this can have, if you are happy about this all i can say "shame on you"
Whit this the western society that claim high moral grounds so many times just went down, way down in mud and it went so low that is just a inch above Bin Laden itself.
Yes, because asking him to come willingly was such a possibility in a firefight. Limp-wristed pacifists make me LOL.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.05.02 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
Yes, because asking him to come willingly was such a possibility in a firefight. Limp-wristed pacifists make me LOL.
Indeed, as Orwell said, "Pacificm is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other". Orwell was writing about the Spanish Civil War, or possibly the Second World War (I forget), but his point stands.
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Zora
Gallente Vector Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.02 17:25:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: Astenion
Yes, because asking him to come willingly was such a possibility in a firefight. Limp-wristed pacifists make me LOL.
Indeed, as Orwell said, "Pacificm is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other". Orwell was writing about the Spanish Civil War, or possibly the Second World War (I forget), but his point stands.
If you are so inclined to quote Orwell, you certainly know that he meant that in a certain context, as he later explained: "In my opinion a few pacifists are inwardly pro-****, and extremist left-wing parties will inevitably contain Fascist spies. The important thing is to discover which individuals are honest and which are not, and the usual blanket accusation merely makes this more difficult."
Let me quote something else of him, quite fitting in this context... " The thing that strikes me more and more ù and it strikes a lot of other people, too ùis the extraordinary viciousness and dishonesty of political controversy in our time. I donÆt mean merely that controversies are acrimonious. They ought to be that when they are on serious subjects. I mean that almost nobody seems to feel that an opponent deserves a fair hearing or that the objective truth matters as long as you can score a neat debating point. "
It doesn't seem much has changed since he wrote about "his" time 
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 02/05/2011 17:55:02 I do not hreally have much to say on this news topic so I will react to posts in the thread.
Originally by: simon perry World Hide And Go Seek Champion (2001 - 2011)
Touche 
Originally by: Reiisha
Gotta be honest, there are few Usians who wouldn't want to have pulled the trigger themselves. The possibility of them going in ahead is pretty real and shouldn't be dismissed, though in the end it doesn't really matter anyway.
And yes, not using "Americans" anymore as a word to describe people from the US. There's a lot of other countries on the continents with "America" in their names and i got pretty annoyed with it >_>
I gave up the struggle of trying to unify OOPE to make that change years ago. It was a fruitless task 
EDIT: US citizens is not too long to type and is the proper term. :END EDIT
Originally by: Loose Chick was probably someone who looked like him and this was a convenient opportunity to claim victory (lol after 10 years)
I would bet that, whether or not this news is true, that there will be a video of Osama in the next few days.
Originally by: ceaon interesting, the real question is why now ? cause of libia ? japan cernobyl ? because Vermont got public healthcare ? why this distraction now 
Forged birth certificate?
Originally by: northwesten death certificate. pls! or I don't believe it :) 
TouchT 
Originally by: Zora
Let me quote something else of him, quite fitting in this context... " The thing that strikes me more and more ù and it strikes a lot of other people, too ùis the extraordinary viciousness and dishonesty of political controversy in our time. I donÆt mean merely that controversies are acrimonious. They ought to be that when they are on serious subjects. I mean that almost nobody seems to feel that an opponent deserves a fair hearing or that the objective truth matters as long as you can score a neat debating point. "
It doesn't seem much has changed since he wrote about "his" time 
So true. / thumbs up
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2011.05.02 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas as for Burial at sea, I can honestly see Mr. Lindsey ordering them to get that garbage overboard. More practicaly a burrial at sea at co-ordinates unknown is just fine with me. One less shrine dedicated to the latest random sycopath on the planet.
Now just to clear up the rest of the psycos in US and the rest of the west.
Good thing they got rid of Osama, but what follows is what is important. I bet the wars will truck on for some time yet, and nothing will really change. They will find a new boogyman soon enough.
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.05.02 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lindsay Logan
Originally by: Steve Thomas as for Burial at sea, I can honestly see Mr. Lindsey ordering them to get that garbage overboard. More practicaly a burrial at sea at co-ordinates unknown is just fine with me. One less shrine dedicated to the latest random sycopath on the planet.
Now just to clear up the rest of the psycos in US and the rest of the west.
Good thing they got rid of Osama, but what follows is what is important. I bet the wars will truck on for some time yet, and nothing will really change. They will find a new boogyman soon enough.
Killing Osama had nothing to do with his leadership/figurehead status of Al-Qaeda. It had to do with justice and vengeance.
Quote: Saturday, October 30, 2004:
Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.
He claimed responsibility, he paid for those thousands. Lets not forget the other attacks he's claimed responsibility for. ♥
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Burnharder
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Originally by: Zora
Let me quote something else of him, quite fitting in this context... " The thing that strikes me more and more ù and it strikes a lot of other people, too ùis the extraordinary viciousness and dishonesty of political controversy in our time. I donÆt mean merely that controversies are acrimonious. They ought to be that when they are on serious subjects. I mean that almost nobody seems to feel that an opponent deserves a fair hearing or that the objective truth matters as long as you can score a neat debating point. "
It doesn't seem much has changed since he wrote about "his" time 
That is quite correct. But it's misdirection, because we aren't talking about policy, we're talking about killing a guy who was instrumental in the murder of thousands of people in New York. For most of these pacifists, what matters most is their hatred of the US (critics from outside the US), some of them (mostly in the US) hate Obama and none of them really care very much for justice.
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Y Berion
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.02 18:53:00 -
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So... Yanks found out hiding place of one person accused for terrorism, sent a death squad, and then dumped the body into the sea so no one could ever find it and, possibly, check the identity? Cool story bro. But why didn't they arrest him? Why burrial at sea? What happened with all those pompous lessons that US of A are giving the rest of the world every day, talking about democracy and basic human right for everyone to have a fair trial? Is this (another) example of how US of A wants world to look like in 21st century, with hitmen dealing justice all over the globe...?
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.05.02 18:55:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Y Berion So... Yanks found out hiding place of one person accused for terrorism, sent a death squad, and then dumped the body into the sea so no one could ever find it and, possibly, check the identity? Cool story bro. But why didn't they arrest him? Why burrial at sea? What happened with all those pompous lessons that US of A are giving the rest of the world every day, talking about democracy and basic human right for everyone to have a fair trial? Is this (another) example of how US of A wants world to look like in 21st century, with hitmen dealing justice all over the globe...?
Are you joking or just stupid?
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Y Berion
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder Are you joking or just stupid?
You, my friend, probably wouldn't understand even if I was joking.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:06:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Killing Osama had nothing to do with his leadership/figurehead status of Al-Qaeda. It had to do with justice and vengeance.
In other words the US Army/Navy/Whatever are just petty thugs then? And this whole war on "terror" is just a farce for teh sake of revenge, in your eyes?
Truly, that is a sad viewpoint you have. They removed a potential danger, and you name it just for sake of pittiful vengance? Sad indeed. Makes one wonder just who the real brutes here are.
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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Unfortunate Soldiers
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Y Berion So... Yanks found out hiding place of one person accused for terrorism, sent a death squad, and then dumped the body into the sea so no one could ever find it and, possibly, check the identity? Cool story bro. But why didn't they arrest him? Why burrial at sea? What happened with all those pompous lessons that US of A are giving the rest of the world every day, talking about democracy and basic human right for everyone to have a fair trial? Is this (another) example of how US of A wants world to look like in 21st century, with hitmen dealing justice all over the globe...?
I'm going to sit here and assume you've never been in a combat zone. So let's roleplay a bit!
You're Marine on patrol. You know there's an insurgent leader in the house you're coming up on. Six has given you a "dead or alive" directive. You know it's better if he's taken alive. Your platoon commander knows it's better if he's taken alive. It was strongly hinted by Higher they'd like him alive.
You're coming up on the compound. Suddenly you start taking incoming small arms fire. Your squad takes cover and returns fire. You see multiple machinegun nests set up, and you're sure there's a sniper or two.
The squad is able to move to with-in grenade-throwing distance to do some damage. You know he's in one of the rooms where fire is coming from. You decide to rush the building. A few of your guys are hit. You make the door. You kick it in. You clear rooms on your way up the stairs.
You reach the door, but you see that there's quite a few guns pointed your way on the other side. He's in there. Your commander says to toss in the grenade, clear the room. You do it. BOOM!
Rush in, and of course everyone is dead.
The point of my crappy story is that in the heat of combat there is no time outs to try to arrest someone. You have three people: friends, enemies, and bystanders. The enemies are going to try to kill you. You need to kill them first. DEVGRU - and SEALs in particular, having trained with several of them since I was 16 (my uncle being a SEAL himself) - are some of the most patriotic and proud men I have ever known. They would have wanted him alive, to make sure he answered. Some would have ****ed him up on the ride (he would have "fallen down some stairs") but they wouldn't have wanted to kill him. But when someone's pointing a gun at your face, you can either drop him like the sack of **** he is, or die.
Patton said it best (and I realize I'm paraphrasing): It's not your job to die for your country; it's your job to make the other sorry son of a ***** die for his. ***** ***** ***** *****
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Zhul Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Thukker Tribe Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:15:00 -
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A prince gets married, the bad guy is dead. It's a real Disney weekend here on earth
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Stan Jens
Gallente KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:22:00 -
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"Tip of the spear"
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Sijakta Ho Pakrsh
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:28:00 -
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from wikileaks:
US suspected/knew since 2008 that Osama was living in Abbottabad--which begs the question why the delay? http://is.gd/LtSvHC
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Stan Jens
Gallente KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sijakta Ho Pakrsh from wikileaks:
US suspected/knew since 2008 that Osama was living in Abbottabad--which begs the question why the delay? http://is.gd/LtSvHC
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wikileaks..............suspected?
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:46:00 -
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In the video shortly after 9/11, Osama just praised the people who carried it out, and the media told everyone he claimed responsibility. They repeated that he was the person responsible so often it eventually became the truth. But in the words of the FBI themselves, there was no evidence linking him to it.
What's even crazier, is many of the people who were supposed to have carried out the 9/11 attacks are still alive, and a bit confused by the whole thing.
None of that is even the realm of theory. It's reality. What the TV tells you is the fantasy.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 02/05/2011 20:02:31
Originally by: Bane Necran In the video shortly after 9/11, Osama just praised the people who carried it out, and the media told everyone he claimed responsibility. They repeated that he was the person responsible so often it eventually became the truth. But in the words of the FBI themselves, there was no evidence linking him to it.
What's even crazier, is many of the people who were supposed to have carried out the 9/11 attacks are still alive, and a bit confused by the whole thing.
None of that is even the realm of theory. It's reality. What the TV tells you is the fantasy.
Not that I really care about any of this but I would like to point out that all those implicated with involvement in the 9/11 attacks, that are currently alive and being held, where likely taken in non shoot out situations.
Again I fail to read before posting.
/slaps his wrists
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran What's even crazier, is many of the people who were supposed to have carried out the 9/11 attacks are still alive, and a bit confused by the whole thing.
None of that is even the realm of theory. It's reality. What the TV tells you is the fantasy.
Funny that you post the BBC's original article - written 12 days after 9/11 - but not the correction they published afterwards, once the information available was clear, and they identified the original mistakes that led to such claim.
Funny too that you label everything on TV as "fantasy", yet willingly and uncritically swallow every piece of nonsense that comes out of Alex Jones (and co.) conspiranoid minds, such as the above - and now debunked - claim that Waleed al-Shehri is still alive.
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Boom Boom Longtime
the Pink Socking Kool Kids Klub
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Posted - 2011.05.02 20:02:00 -
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No more Deep Fried Mars Bars for Bin Laden.
Linkage
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.02 20:04:00 -
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So, no comments on the FBI saying there was no evidence linking Osama to it? CNN and Fox news is probably more reliable, right?
As for some of the hijackers being still alive, you have a long night ahead of you to explain it all away.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.05.02 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran So, no comments on the FBI saying there was no evidence linking Osama to it? CNN and Fox news is probably more reliable, right?
As for some of the hijackers being still alive, you have a long night ahead of you to explain it all away.
Why don't you post a credible source? If I put a website saying Bin Laden is still alive, showing some maps and making up a load of bull****, you would probably re-post it here!
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.02 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder Why don't you post a credible source? If I put a website saying Bin Laden is still alive, showing some maps and making up a load of bull****, you would probably re-post it here!
Are you saying the FBI isn't credible?
Sounds a lot like terrorist talk. Why do you hate America so much?
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Raynohr
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 20:33:00 -
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as we havent seen the body combined whit biological proof that it was actualy him and not a decoy, i doubt he is dead.
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simbool erbgot
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Posted - 2011.05.02 20:34:00 -
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Linkage
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.02 20:41:00 -
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Just occurred to me 'burnharder' probably didn't do a simple google search, so i'll hold him by the hand and do one for him.
"FBI Osama no link to 9/11"
You dumb monkeys.
FBI most wanted list with no mention of 9/11
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Zhul Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Thukker Tribe Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.05.02 20:51:00 -
[172]
Fox-News saves the day : Obama Bin Laden Dead
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.02 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 02/05/2011 21:17:00
Originally by: Zhul Guixgrixks Fox-News saves the day : Obama Bin Laden Dead
Local Fox affiliate, not Fox News. But that's hardly the first time people stumble over the similarities between Obama and Osama. One need only look at a speech by perpetual drunkard, lifelong Democrat, liberal activist, and killer Democrat Senator Teddy Kennedy for the funniest example:
*Hiccup*
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Kale Anderson
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it's still weird that the mission was a "kill only". youd've thought they would want him alive. tbh though, can't wait for this to blow over, makes the us look like a bunch of savages dancing around a corpse shaking their spears.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.02 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Anderson it's still weird that the mission was a "kill only". youd've thought they would want him alive.
If he were captured alive, where ever he was being kept would become the world's biggest target.
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2011.05.02 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Kale Anderson it's still weird that the mission was a "kill only". youd've thought they would want him alive.
If he were captured alive, where ever he was being kept would become the world's biggest target.
Not just that, but likely open as well a whole world of "random-western-tourists kidnapped and ensuing threats of videotaped beheadings if Osama isn't freed" possibilities and scenarios. We've had those before with our own local terrorist problem.
None of us know if those SEALs really had a chance to capture him alive or not, but killing him off right away was the least problematic (and most appropiate imo) option.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.02 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 02/05/2011 21:33:41
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Kale Anderson it's still weird that the mission was a "kill only". youd've thought they would want him alive.
If he were captured alive, where ever he was being kept would become the world's biggest target.
Really? Even with the FBI and George Bush himself saying they don't care about him, you still believe that?
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
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Kale Anderson
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Posted - 2011.05.02 21:32:00 -
[178]
nobodies seemed to care that we've had his buddies locked up here for ages, same with ******* though he is a different story.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.05.02 21:48:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Zhul Guixgrixks A prince gets married, the bad guy is dead. It's a real Disney weekend here on earth
Catholics also have a new Saint ... --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.02 21:59:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Bane Necran
Really? Even with the FBI and George Bush himself saying they don't care about him, you still believe that?
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
How was that relevant to what I said? It wasn't.
Bin Laden likely didn't have a direct hand in terror plots anymore and his death probably won't mean much for national security. Since 9/11 he was mostly a figurehead. So, Bush's statement was in fact correct. But that doesn't mean you don't dance on his grave when he's killed, or that his followers wouldn't have bombed whatever prison housed him had he been captured alive.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.02 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Anderson nobodies seemed to care that we've had his buddies locked up here for ages, same with ******* though he is a different story.
Not true! Plenty of people complained about Osama's buddies being detained. Candidate Obama, the ACLU, Amnesty International, Code Pink, Michael Moore, leftist activists, anti war protestors, European politicians, Hollywood-types... I could go on, but I'd hit the character limit eventually.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.05.02 22:04:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Lykouleon Edited by: Lykouleon on 02/05/2011 16:55:20
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian When they got Sadam there were pictures, where are the pictures?
Yes...because just like ******, Osama was executed in a manner that was condemed by the international community and recorded on cellphone cameras.

edit: *******'s name is censored?! 
I love the 3rd grade reading comprehension level of these forums.
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Sa'Shena
Amarr Nomad LLP Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2011.05.02 22:08:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Brujo Loco
Originally by: Zhul Guixgrixks A prince gets married, the bad guy is dead. It's a real Disney weekend here on earth
Catholics also have a new Saint ...
Actually in order to become a saint he needs a second confirmed miracle to his name. No joke, they have a sliding scale for Sainthood.
0 Miracles - Nobody. 1 Miracle - Beatified. 2 Miracles - Sainthood!
Honestly though its too bad Osama wasn't able to be put on trial. Alas, it isn't a perfect world and Osama doesn't have a fresh clone in the nearest NPC station.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.05.02 22:39:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Burnharder Why don't you post a credible source? If I put a website saying Bin Laden is still alive, showing some maps and making up a load of bull****, you would probably re-post it here!
Are you saying the FBI isn't credible?
Sounds a lot like terrorist talk. Why do you hate America so much?
Why don't you link to a source at the FBI, rather than some random conspiracy theorist website, and date the source. The confusion comes from the initial misidentification of the 9/11 hijackers. Since then, they are all accounted for.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.02 22:59:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Bane Necran on 02/05/2011 23:07:21 Edited by: Bane Necran on 02/05/2011 23:01:20
Originally by: Burnharder Why don't you link to a source at the FBI, rather than some random conspiracy theorist website, and date the source. The confusion comes from the initial misidentification of the 9/11 hijackers. Since then, they are all accounted for.
I answered all this on the page before this, before you even brought it up, because you're just that predictable, and not aware of what is going on around you.
IF I MUST POUND IT INTO YOUR HEAD. WHERE IS 9/11 HERE? http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.02 23:08:00 -
[186]
Osama is still alive and is working at a 7Eleven in Anaheim!
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Mr M
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Posted - 2011.05.03 00:06:00 -
[187]
I was hoping that Obama should do his speech as a limerick.
Quote: There's once was a man from Saudi, who's ways was very rowdy. He got a bullet in the head, and now he's really dead. Satan says "howdy".
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.03 00:08:00 -
[188]
Edited by: ceaon on 03/05/2011 00:18:23
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: ceaon Spain have a long history fighting ETA but at some point they did something stupid killing ppl whit no trail using death squads (GAL) and of some ministers did go to jail or on trial for doing this.
Now a nobel prize winner sign the death of other human on other country just because he can instead of bribing Bin Laden to a international court, now dozens of less intelligent humans party and are happy about this event instead of thinking about how many implication this can have, if you are happy about this all i can say "shame on you"
Whit this the western society that claim high moral grounds so many times just went down, way down in mud and it went so low that is just a inch above Bin Laden itself.
If you love him so much why not get some scuba gear and have an underwater postmortem wedding?
can you plz point where in my post i mentioned the word love ?
Originally by: Astenion Edited by: Astenion on 02/05/2011 17:17:00 Edited by: Astenion on 02/05/2011 17:03:14
Originally by: ceaon Spain have a long history fighting ETA but at some point they did something stupid killing ppl whit no trail using death squads (GAL) and of some ministers did go to jail or on trial for doing this.
Now a nobel prize winner sign the death of other human on other country just because he can instead of bribing Bin Laden to a international court, now dozens of less intelligent humans party and are happy about this event instead of thinking about how many implication this can have, if you are happy about this all i can say "shame on you"
Whit this the western society that claim high moral grounds so many times just went down, way down in mud and it went so low that is just a inch above Bin Laden itself.
Yes, because asking him to come willingly was such a possibility in a firefight. Limp-wristed pacifists make me LOL.
Here's an idea: how about instead of sniping another government's handling of the killing of the most wanted man on the face of the earth, a man who was responsible for the bombing of YOUR country, how about you focus on not being a f*cking drain on the rest of the EU economy and figure out how to fix your own sh!t in your own country? How about you produce something besides a hand begging for money?
the only thing you need to avoid when you figthing a monster is making the same acts and becoming a monster seams u dont get that and plz next time stay on topic if you want to have a debate
also if they had info about the location for so long they could surround the building whit tanks and siege them until they give up and surrender but clearly there was no intention of capture him alive there was no intention of making justice, was a assassination play and simple just like drug cartels do
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.03 00:17:00 -
[189]
FYI I'm a much hotter monster 
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Jearthen
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Posted - 2011.05.03 00:34:00 -
[190]
At the end of the day I suppose trolls will always troll because they honestly have nothing better to do, but I am sure of two things.
1. A great evil has been disposed of.
2. We sent the message that we will hunt you to the ends of the earth when you decide that you are going to be responsible for the murder of innocents.
Were there some political machinations behind this? Probably, because that's just how the game is played.
Does that mean that it still isn't a great thing? Definately not.
We sent a powerful message to those still in A-Q. We can and will find you. You are not safe.
As for the burial at sea that was done to make him less of a martyr than he would already become by his death. According to Islamic tradition he had to be buried with in 24hrs of death and since no one would rightfully want to take in the body he was buried at sea.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.05.03 00:35:00 -
[191]
So they finally rolled out the corpse after around 9 years for the usual political reasons.
When the "army on the march" surge dies off most of the people here will realize they are still screwed out of their liberty, their dollars are still becoming worthless, and the country is still going down.
Next false flag terrorist attack in planning phase. Wonder who the bad guy will be this time?
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Apex Bex
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Posted - 2011.05.03 00:36:00 -
[192]
My only hope is that the U.S. Government can find someone else for us to hate and fear pretty soon. I'd hate to see the U.S. war machine stalled and their governemnt's domination of crude oil deposits come into dispute all because there was no one left to hate/kill/oppress.
With any luck the Koreans will find some oil soon so we can all hate them too and more soldiers can go die for their country; but at least the U.S.'s oil interests will be secure.
YAY!
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Hugo Smith
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Posted - 2011.05.03 00:41:00 -
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/7891544/Osama-bin-Ladens-son-says-his-father-is-still-alive.html
^ Ill just leave this here
To be honest id believe this guy over anyone who could be classed as a politician. Let alone an American one.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.03 00:46:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Apex Bex My only hope is that the U.S. Government can find someone else for us to hate and fear pretty soon. I'd hate to see the U.S. war machine stalled and their governemnt's domination of crude oil deposits come into dispute all because there was no one left to hate/kill/oppress.
With any luck the Koreans will find some oil soon so we can all hate them too and more soldiers can go die for their country; but at least the U.S.'s oil interests will be secure.
YAY!
Wow, you better hope the United States always exists else you might have to find someone else to blame for all the world's problems. Oh, wait, you can always blame Israel!
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.03 00:49:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Hugo Smith http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/7891544/Osama-bin-Ladens-son-says-his-father-is-still-alive.html
^ Ill just leave this here
To be honest id believe this guy over anyone who could be classed as a politician. Let alone an American one.
I'm not sure why you believe him when, literally, his only 'evidence' is a feeling that the "world would change" if his father died and he freely admits he has no actual facts supporting it.
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Apex Bex
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Posted - 2011.05.03 00:54:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Jada Maroo Wow, you better hope the United States always exists else you might have to find someone else to blame for all the world's problems. Oh, wait, you can always blame Israel!
If you believe your government you're not just naive, you're a model citizen.
I only point blame where it is deserved. I've seen too many of my countrymen die because of the ill placed faith my government places in yours. I've served along side U.S. Personnel in the first Gulf War and observed their rhetoric first hand. Words like 'God Bless America' roll off the tongue like it's a statement of fact. Whether you know it or not, the lion's share of your populace has been sustained on a diet of fear and hate to perpetuate a myth and justify wars.
The fact that 85% of your population believe in God (in this day and age, seriously?) tells me all I need to know about the Amercian psyche.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.03 01:26:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Apex Bex
The fact that 85% of your population believe in God (in this day and age, seriously?) tells me all I need to know about the Amercian psyche.
Clearly you are the elite minority with all the answers! 
We should all strive to know the unknowable as much as you. 
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Apex Bex
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Posted - 2011.05.03 01:32:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Jada Maroo We should all strive to know the unknowable as much as you. 
The unknowable shall remain unknown. 85% of you believe the unbelievable.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.03 01:41:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Apex Bex
The unknowable shall remain unknown. 85% of you believe the unbelievable.
You assume you know what I believe. That is sneaky!
But I don't have to believe anything at all. I just have to know that dismissing other peoples' ability to have faith isn't necessary for me to feel better about the state of my existence. 
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.05.03 01:49:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Apex Bex
The unknowable shall remain unknown. 85% of you believe the unbelievable.
You assume you know what I believe. That is sneaky!
But I don't have to believe anything at all. I just have to know that dismissing other peoples' ability to have faith isn't necessary for me to feel better about the state of my existence. 
Oh Snap!
What now oh wise and all knowing, Jada Maroo? Can we get a percentage that represents the meaning of life too?
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Apex Bex
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Posted - 2011.05.03 01:53:00 -
[201]
Edited by: Apex Bex on 03/05/2011 01:55:20
Originally by: Jada Maroo You assume you know what I believe. That is sneaky!
But I don't have to believe anything at all. I just have to know that dismissing other peoples' ability to have faith isn't necessary for me to feel better about the state of my existence. 
Now who's making assumptions? My use of the word 'you' was directed at your nationality, not your person.
I do not dismiss other people's ability to have faith, I am saddened by it. We don't question the world around us; we are merely fed information and treat it as gospel, whether it be from the church or the government. As such, we are losing our identity as individuals and becoming a mob. Easily guided, goaded and controlled by fear and hatred.
Earlier you questioned the validity of Osama Bin Laden's son's claim that his father is not dead. How is that any different from me questioning the validity of the U.S. Goverment's claim that he is dead?
It's no different, it's just a perspective. I believe your perspective or clarity on the subject may be tainted. You've been fed a staple diet of hate and fear for many, many years now. Misinformation laced with truth, how can you know when one is a lie and one is not?
I'm not saying I have the answers, I just want you to question the message. It's not like your government has a great track record of telling the truth now, is it?
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.05.03 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 03/05/2011 02:01:22 @ Apex Bex
All leadership and government is this way, you pointing a finger at one nation only demonstrates how you have some how perfectly blended smug with ignorance.
Bravo
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Apex Bex
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Posted - 2011.05.03 02:06:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 03/05/2011 02:01:22 @ Apex Bex
All leadership and government is this way, you pointing a finger at one nation only demonstrates how you have some how perfectly blended smug with ignorance.
I'm not so ignorant as to think that's not the case. The topic however, is Osama Bin Laden and his apparent death at the hands of the U.S. Government. Therefore, try to stay on topic.
I've already said I don't have the answers, I don't claim to know it all. All I want you to do, all I want anyone to do, is question the message. That's it.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.03 02:29:00 -
[204]
Edited by: Bane Necran on 03/05/2011 02:38:55 Omitted.
But here's a song you might like. For no particular reason.

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Xaziar Nortocus
Forces Unknown Inc
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Posted - 2011.05.03 02:41:00 -
[205]
"For God and Country, Geronimo Geronimo Geronimo" -- Unknown U.S. Navy Seal --------------------------------------------------
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egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.03 02:53:00 -
[206]
poor poor pakistan, **** is gonna be so tense between us and them
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Talas Dir
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.03 03:00:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Hugo Smith http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/7891544/Osama-bin-Ladens-son-says-his-father-is-still-alive.html
^ Ill just leave this here
To be honest id believe this guy over anyone who could be classed as a politician. Let alone an American one.
Quote: 7:00AM BST 15 Jul 2010
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Royaldo
Gallente Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.05.03 03:30:00 -
[208]
Originally by: egola poor poor pakistan, **** is gonna be so tense between us and them
you do know they already have the special someone already right. with nukes. and pakistan got nukes themselves.
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Brenya Perircle
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Posted - 2011.05.03 03:51:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Deganos Only a naieve fool would think the world is a better place now. Sadly there are alot of naieve fools in our world.
What's new?
Same story, different times. The majority of people are gullible cattle with their heads in the hay.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.03 04:52:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Brenya Perircle
Originally by: Deganos Only a naieve fool would think the world is a better place now. Sadly there are alot of naieve fools in our world.
What's new?
Same story, different times. The majority of people are gullible cattle with their heads in the hay.
mmmmmoooOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo *OM NOM NOM NOMN NOM*
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.03 06:52:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Y Berion
Originally by: Burnharder Are you joking or just stupid?
You, my friend, probably wouldn't understand even if I was joking.
Which means that leaves only one other possibility.
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Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.03 07:09:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Y Berion So... Yanks found out hiding place of one person accused for terrorism, sent a death squad, and then dumped the body into the sea so no one could ever find it and, possibly, check the identity? Cool story bro. But why didn't they arrest him? Why burrial at sea? What happened with all those pompous lessons that US of A are giving the rest of the world every day, talking about democracy and basic human right for everyone to have a fair trial? Is this (another) example of how US of A wants world to look like in 21st century, with hitmen dealing justice all over the globe...?
I wanna get my $.02 in on this.
Youre standpoint on this whole the US should have brought him to justice is so stupid I bet youre incapable of realizing it. Osama declared war on the United States and every western Christian country and said it was every Muslims duty to kill every American, British, German, Dutch, French, Italian, Swedish, ect, ad nauseam be it man, woman or child. He took full responsibility for the 9/11 attacks and many, many others. By his own admission he was a murder of women and children.
Now I'll even try and use simple logic for you. What youre saying the US should have done, instead of killing an enemy of that country, is more-or-less like blaming and calling soldiers in WW1, WW2, etc, hitmen/executioners because they shot the enemy instead of trying to bring them in for trial. By Osamas own words and actions he had declared war on another country. I know its hard for you to grasp, but every country has a right to defend its citizens by killing its enemies.
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Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.03 07:31:00 -
[213]
To the people who dont understand why it was so important for Osama bin laden to die.
To the average uneducated, economically depressed, al-qaida recruit his death really makes no difference. Because for him its still better to die and be rewarded with however many virgins hes promised, living in the luxury he could never have in life.
But for someone whos well off, like bin laden was(a multi-millionaire), who thinks to give up their life of rank and opulence. It shows that if you commit and act of terrorism you'll spend the next 10 years living just barley out of squalor, looking over your shoulder, being hunted like a rat, while all the people around you are blown into chunks, and in the end you'll be found, have the back of your head fkn blown open, your body carried away and thrown into the ocean like so much garbage to feed the fishes.
That sends a powerful message to the ones that like to talk everyone else (but them) into committing suicide. In the end, it boils down to "the smart ones dont want to die", and it was shown with bin laden that no matter how long it takes, that is exactly what is going to happen.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.05.03 08:56:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Mina Sulva'r To the people who dont understand why it was so important for Osama bin laden to die.
To the average uneducated, economically depressed, al-qaida recruit his death really makes no difference. Because for him its still better to die and be rewarded with however many virgins hes promised, living in the luxury he could never have in life.
But for someone whos well off, like bin laden was(a multi-millionaire), who thinks to give up their life of rank and opulence. It shows that if you commit and act of terrorism you'll spend the next 10 years living just barley out of squalor, looking over your shoulder, being hunted like a rat, while all the people around you are blown into chunks, and in the end you'll be found, have the back of your head fkn blown open, your body carried away and thrown into the ocean like so much garbage to feed the fishes.
That sends a powerful message to the ones that like to talk everyone else (but them) into committing suicide. In the end, it boils down to "the smart ones dont want to die", and it was shown with bin laden that no matter how long it takes, that is exactly what is going to happen.
tbh, killing him didn't made a difference. Strategic value was long gone, and half of the knew he would either die like this or of old age. Tbh I think he was ready to die a long time ago. He just made sure that it would take a lot to find him, just in spite of.
in the end, terrorism will still continue (with yet another martyr added to the cause), leaders will still lead, and bombers will still press the button. If any, this just made the other side more focussed on creating more terror, and made Obama win the next elections.
TL;DR: Osama's death = political boon, nothing else. ---
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.05.03 09:13:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Grimpak
TL;DR: Osama's death = political boon, nothing else.
That and a Moral boost. Would have been much better to bring him in alive though.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.03 09:13:00 -
[216]
Of course nothing will change, but it gave me closure. Spent 6 years of my life training with the goal to kill this 1 man, 7 months looking for him in country. First night of peaceful sleep I've had since I has 18 (27 now)
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.05.03 09:23:00 -
[217]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Grimpak
TL;DR: Osama's death = political boon, nothing else.
That and a Moral boost. Would have been much better to bring him in alive though.
till the next huge attack/boogeyman that is, which with the death of Osama could be much closer than you think. ---
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.05.03 09:23:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Mina Sulva'r To the people who dont understand why it was so important for Osama bin laden to die.
To the average uneducated, economically depressed, al-qaida recruit his death really makes no difference. Because for him its still better to die and be rewarded with however many virgins hes promised, living in the luxury he could never have in life.
But for someone whos well off, like bin laden was(a multi-millionaire), who thinks to give up their life of rank and opulence. It shows that if you commit and act of terrorism you'll spend the next 10 years living just barley out of squalor, looking over your shoulder, being hunted like a rat, while all the people around you are blown into chunks, and in the end you'll be found, have the back of your head fkn blown open, your body carried away and thrown into the ocean like so much garbage to feed the fishes.
That sends a powerful message to the ones that like to talk everyone else (but them) into committing suicide. In the end, it boils down to "the smart ones dont want to die", and it was shown with bin laden that no matter how long it takes, that is exactly what is going to happen.
tbh, killing him didn't made a difference. Strategic value was long gone, and half of the knew he would either die like this or of old age. Tbh I think he was ready to die a long time ago. He just made sure that it would take a lot to find him, just in spite of.
in the end, terrorism will still continue (with yet another martyr added to the cause), leaders will still lead, and bombers will still press the button. If any, this just made the other side more focussed on creating more terror, and made Obama win the next elections.
TL;DR: Osama's death = political boon, nothing else.
I wouldn't go quite that far. It offered a great emotional relief and moral boost for many people and if he had died of old age, it would have remained forever as an embarasment for the USA and a testamony that you can help mass murder americans and still get away with it. In a war that is to a great extent about symbolism and manipulating the perception of others*, it was a great success.
* Terrorist strikes are from a pragmatic point of view very inefficient, have almost never managed to achieve their stated goals and are detrimental to gaining wide political support for your cause, which is pretty much mandatory if you want turn the half assed ideas in your head to actual working political institutions. In that way the affects of a succesful terrorist stike are usually also largely just symbolic and offer a moral boost to other terrorists, while at the same time trying to psychologically affect the target audience, altering their behaviour.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.05.03 09:46:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Grimpak
TL;DR: Osama's death = political boon, nothing else.
That and a Moral boost. Would have been much better to bring him in alive though.
till the next huge attack/boogeyman that is, which with the death of Osama could be much closer than you think.
Problem with osama is America gave him exactly what he wanted and more.
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Freyus Bargem
Caldari A Humble Abode
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10 years. Trillions of dollars. Thousands of soldiers dead. State of the art technology. The US finally found Bin Laden.
In his house.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.05.03 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue I wouldn't go quite that far. It offered a great emotional relief and moral boost for many people and if he had died of old age, it would have remained forever as an embarasment for the USA and a testamony that you can help mass murder americans and still get away with it. In a war that is to a great extent about symbolism and manipulating the perception of others*, it was a great success.
* Terrorist strikes are from a pragmatic point of view very inefficient, have almost never managed to achieve their stated goals and are detrimental to gaining wide political support for your cause, which is pretty much mandatory if you want turn the half assed ideas in your head to actual working political institutions. In that way the affects of a succesful terrorist stike are usually also largely just symbolic and offer a moral boost to other terrorists, while at the same time trying to psychologically affect the target audience, altering their behaviour.
that is right, but then again, that's from our westernized standpoint. In the end, terrorism is more of an extreme culture clash than anything. Sure many might consider suicide bombers as ignorant masses that are easily swayed, but there are bombers out there that are quite the opposite. Add the fact that most terrorist organizations works on a web cell pattern and not in a pyramid and, as you said, uses the attacks more as symbolism, don't forget that in the end, Osama's death also serves a purpose to any terror fundamentalist organization. Heroes shine brighter in their deaths. ---
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2011.05.03 11:22:00 -
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Yay, now Obama will win the elections again and run the country into the ground even more than he already has. Is it just a coincidence that Osama is "dead" right before re-elections?
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.03 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 03/05/2011 12:26:12
Originally by: Last Wolf Yay, now Obama will win the elections again and run the country into the ground even more than he already has. Is it just a coincidence that Osama is "dead" right before re-elections?
You realise the last federal elections were 6 months ago, and the next are in 1.5 year? Your point would be more believable if it would actually be right before elections, just saying...
Of course dont let the facts stop you.
Quote: then dumped the body into the sea so no one could ever find it
So you realise they dumped the body in the sea so no one could ever find it, but you cannot get the idea why they dumped it in the sea? (Well besides tinfoil hat theories). Tip: you dont want his grave becoming an icon for extremists, and you also dont want what some of his enemies would do to his grave, so this is simply the best solution that doesnt offend muslims too much.
Quote: every western Christian country and said it was every Muslims duty to kill every American, British, German, Dutch, French, Italian, Swedish, ect, ad nauseam be it man, woman or child[
Sorry but we arent Christian countries. Maybe the US is, since they seem to be kinda fond of their god, but europe for the vast majority are secular countries, not christian.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.05.03 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf Yay, now Obama will win the elections again and run the country into the ground even more than he already has. Is it just a coincidence that Osama is "dead" right before re-elections?
What do you mean "right before re-elections"? As far as I know, the next election is in November 2012. Surely if the plan is to fool people, it would have been better to do it in either October or November 2012, not May 2011. A week is a long time in politics. Bounces don't last long.
Please, you conspiracy theorists really need to apply a little common sense to your blabberings.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.05.03 12:33:00 -
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So... About that proof?
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.05.03 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Sorry but we arent Christian countries. Maybe the US is, since they seem to be kinda fond of their god, but europe for the vast majority are secular countries, not christian.
In theory maybe, just as the US is in theory. In practice the EU still needs a lot of work to truly get secular. I mean, look at Poland for a good example. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.03 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 03/05/2011 12:37:04
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian So... About that proof?
How about you tell what you would consider proof? Considering Osama hasnt made a speech yet and that it would be a huge fail if it wouldnt be him I think we can be fairly certain they got him.
But back to the question, if they show video/photo of him you say it is shopped. If they give DNA material to independent institute you say it is old material, if they would magically be able to give you undisputable proof you would say he is a CIA puppet, the moonlanding was fake and 2pac is alive.
Talking about 2pac, he was shot in plain sight and still people dont believe he is dead.
Quote: In theory maybe, just as the US is in theory. In practice the EU still needs a lot of work to truly get secular. I mean, look at Poland for a good example.
Thats why i put the vast majority in :P
Although you got a point that I should focus it a bit more on western european countries (and preferably minus the southern ones).
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.05.03 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 03/05/2011 12:52:02
Originally by: Louis deGuerre
Originally by: Furb Killer Sorry but we arent Christian countries. Maybe the US is, since they seem to be kinda fond of their god, but europe for the vast majority are secular countries, not christian.
In theory maybe, just as the US is in theory. In practice the EU still needs a lot of work to truly get secular. I mean, look at Poland for a good example.
and in practice the states need too. more than EU, that's for damn sure.
Originally by: Furb Killer Although you got a point that I should focus it a bit more on western european countries (and preferably minus the southern ones).
Portugal here, where a vast manjority of the population is Roman Catholic and we have quite the extensive religious tradition, yet more secular than this and you would be demanding every politician to become atheist. ---
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ceaon
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Originally by: Jearthen We sent a powerful message to those still in A-Q.
and also send a message to normal ppl like me 
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Milla Lekarariba
Minmatar Syndicated Systems OMEGA.
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Posted - 2011.05.03 13:05:00 -
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Osama was just an idea..
You cannot kill an idea...
Sure maybe some terrorist groups will have less funding for a while, but thing is Osama can be replaced, there are plenty of other lunatics who will blow themselves up..
Has it made an attack more likely? Immediate future, yes, retaliation attacks are possible, but I do not think they will be as organized as before... time will tell
Long term, the death of Osama is a strong message to all terrorist, or so they say, if these guys are mostly people prepared to blow themselves up, then I doubt fear of 'justice by death' will affect them in the slightest
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2011.05.03 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf Yay, now Obama will win the elections again and run the country into the ground even more than he already has. Is it just a coincidence that Osama is "dead" right before re-elections?
Pro tip: It is not Obama that is ruining the US. Its US polycies. Polycies started a good many years ago. Also super capitalism.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.03 13:18:00 -
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The message it sends is that no matter how long it takes, no matter how much it costs, no matter how many bridges we burn, if you f*ck with the US, we will hunt you down and eat your face. This has repercussions, of course, but it sends a clear message to everyone that they'll never escape if you wage war on the US.
Europeans find difficulty in understanding this simply because of the mindset here in Europe. There is virtually zero solidarity in Europe and within each individual country, the only time they're proud of who they are is every four years during the World Cup. This is mainly due to the history of Europe and its ever-changing borders. There really is no NATIONAL identity for many countries, only the identity and pride they have of their individual regions. They look at anything that takes any kind of sacrifice on their part as an affront and in reality have a much, much stronger sense of self than we Americans do. They're much more selfish, much more arrogant, and much, well, LAZIER when it comes to matters on a national scale. It's the, "As long as it doesn't affect me, do what you want" attitude that puzzles Europeans why America would spend so much money, so many lives, and so many resources in catching just one man.
We Americans are typically very idealistic and purist; the concept of something actually means something to us, whereas Europeans have a more "Can I eat it/f*ck it/drink it/spend it? No? Then I don't care" attitude.
Both types of attitudes have both good and bad qualities about them, but I just wanted to try and explain where I think so much discord comes from on both sides. I've seen both sides, lived in both countries, and served in the US armed forces as well. I have a pretty well-rounded view of how it is...I just hope that some of you try to see it objectively without resorting to name-calling (I'm looking at you, England).
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.05.03 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion much more arrogant
wait, you're calling us arrogant?
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.05.03 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 03/05/2011 13:33:42
Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 03/05/2011 12:37:04
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian So... About that proof?
How about you tell what you would consider proof? Considering Osama hasnt made a speech yet and that it would be a huge fail if it wouldnt be him I think we can be fairly certain they got him.
But back to the question, if they show video/photo of him you say it is shopped. If they give DNA material to independent institute you say it is old material, if they would magically be able to give you undisputable proof you would say he is a CIA puppet, the moonlanding was fake and 2pac is alive.
Talking about 2pac, he was shot in plain sight and still people dont believe he is dead.
No I wouldn't.
So your just talking out of your ass. Proof is anything but "We got him... trust me" and yet we have people like you claimng that what I am asking for unreasonable. You should work in government because you'd make a great politician.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.03 13:31:00 -
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oh wait it did forget one little thing to put in this thread
Quote: President Obama ensured that the death of Bin Laden makes the world a safer place, and he declared the highest alert across the country, before possible terrorist reprisals
i hope non Spanish speakers can get the cartoon 
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.03 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Astenion much more arrogant
wait, you're calling us arrogant?

Believe it or not, yes. You can watch television and make up your mind about Americans or you can talk to some random idiot tourist and make up your mind, but until you get to know the people and live among them, you don't know anything. I live in Europe and I can honestly say that European government and media is probably the pinnacle of arrogance.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.05.03 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 03/05/2011 13:49:00
Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Astenion much more arrogant
wait, you're calling us arrogant?

Believe it or not, yes. You can watch television and make up your mind about Americans or you can talk to some random idiot tourist and make up your mind, but until you get to know the people and live among them, you don't know anything. I live in Europe and I can honestly say that European government and media is probably the pinnacle of arrogance.
oh the government.
well yeah I hate the government too. I also happen to hate my country.
not as much as the snotty americans tho. I feel for the rest of the USA that have to deal with the masses of their arrogant ones.
here at least, we put them on the goverment, so it's easier to crucify/ignore them . ---
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.03 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 03/05/2011 14:08:20
Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 03/05/2011 13:49:00
Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Astenion much more arrogant
wait, you're calling us arrogant?

Believe it or not, yes. You can watch television and make up your mind about Americans or you can talk to some random idiot tourist and make up your mind, but until you get to know the people and live among them, you don't know anything. I live in Europe and I can honestly say that European government and media is probably the pinnacle of arrogance.
oh the government.
well yeah I hate the government too. I also happen to hate my country.
not as much as the snotty americans tho. I feel for the rest of the USA that have to deal with the masses of their arrogant ones.
here at least, we put them on the goverment, so it's easier to crucify/ignore them .
Ok, let's be honest. Don't you think over the past few years even European citizens have become increasingly arrogant? As a whole, everyone's the same. There are nice, friendly people and there are extremely arrogant tools who think they're better than everyone else...but they're EVERYWHERE, not just the US. Are you seriously saying that Europeans aren't arrogant as well? They can't stand each other, much less people from another country. There is no place in the US that has the sheer amount of xenophobia and racism that I've come across while living here in Europe. Yet, the US is always the punching bag of Europeans simply because it's the world leader. I'm definitely not saying that the US doesn't deserve a lot of the criticism it gets, but it's downright hypocritical to rail against US policies when European policies virtually mirror the US's, OR ARE EVEN MORE SEVERE.
Maybe in Portugal everyone is happy and nice and bends over backwards for you, I dunno. Everywhere I've been in Europe, however, people look at you like you have two heads if you're American. There's that silent pause after they ask you where you're from, expecting Canada or the UK or Australia (usually because non-English speakers have difficulty telling the different accents) and then you tell them you're American. They're polite, but the entire mood of the situation changes...they become a little standoffish, nervous even. You can tell they don't want to talk to you anymore. Then of course I start speaking to them in their own language and they really open up at that point, but by then I've already written them off. But that just tells me they're arrogant, xenophobic, closed-minded people...the precise thing they rail against the US for being.
Americans are more ridiculous than Europeans, unless you count Euro trash. But more arrogant? Not by a long shot. Dumber maybe, but definitely not more arrogant.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.05.03 14:15:00 -
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Are your two egos so bloated that you really need to re-quote every single thing that the other person says in every single post?
What is the other guy going to do? Ninja edit it when no one is looking and take away your chance of "absolute rightness" in an internet game of words?
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.03 14:28:00 -
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Haha no I'm just lazy and I don't feel like editing it. Eve forums are about the most non-user-friendly forums on the internet. It's like they made it difficult to post on purpose, like they're trying to discourage people from posting so they can shut it down. 
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 03/05/2011 14:33:24 Bin Laden isn't dead. He's alive.
He's alive and being kept in the secret Hoffa interrogation vault 94 floors below Giants stadium being interrogated by.....? YOU GUESSED IT! Jimmy Hoffa himself. (well, a clone... it's complicated)
It's actually a beautiful little complex they have there, it was built and has been open since the great Lincoln escape (he wasn't assassinated, he survived the attack and lived on as the *real* commander in chief until 1902. It was called "ManCave1" back then.) It was the founding site for 'log cabin republicans' and it's original intention was to serve as a... well think Camp David except less rest and relaxation and more male strippers. Elvis opened a grill and milkshake shop down there after his withdrawal from society (the guys working graveyard shift LOVE it). The guy is pushing 80 and STILL cooks the meanest bacon and peanut butter cheeseburger you've ever tasted.
Many would like Osama to be dead. But live on he will. After 3 years in the 'Walt Disney Teacup Torture Apparatus'tm (yes, the ride in disneyland was a prototype) he will be a hollow empty tortured husk of a soul ready to tell us everything we ever wanted to know.
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Posted - 2011.05.03 14:56:00 -
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I assumed he was chilling with Adolf ****** in Brazil. What did the Russkies do with his body again?
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.05.03 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion Ok, let's be honest. Don't you think over the past few years even European citizens have become increasingly arrogant? As a whole, everyone's the same. There are nice, friendly people and there are extremely arrogant tools who think they're better than everyone else...but they're EVERYWHERE, not just the US. Are you seriously saying that Europeans aren't arrogant as well? They can't stand each other, much less people from another country. There is no place in the US that has the sheer amount of xenophobia and racism that I've come across while living here in Europe. Yet, the US is always the punching bag of Europeans simply because it's the world leader. I'm definitely not saying that the US doesn't deserve a lot of the criticism it gets, but it's downright hypocritical to rail against US policies when European policies virtually mirror the US's, OR ARE EVEN MORE SEVERE.
Maybe in Portugal everyone is happy and nice and bends over backwards for you, I dunno. Everywhere I've been in Europe, however, people look at you like you have two heads if you're American. There's that silent pause after they ask you where you're from, expecting Canada or the UK or Australia (usually because non-English speakers have difficulty telling the different accents) and then you tell them you're American. They're polite, but the entire mood of the situation changes...they become a little standoffish, nervous even. You can tell they don't want to talk to you anymore. Then of course I start speaking to them in their own language and they really open up at that point, but by then I've already written them off. But that just tells me they're arrogant, xenophobic, closed-minded people...the precise thing they rail against the US for being.
Americans are more ridiculous than Europeans, unless you count Euro trash. But more arrogant? Not by a long shot. Dumber maybe, but definitely not more arrogant.
meh, you might actually be right.
but then again, us westerners are all a bunch of hypocrites, and here in europe we beat them all, that's for sure.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.03 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak specially the french.
Haha, for the sake of politeness, NO COMMENT! 
That said, my wife has family in Paris (some of her family is half French, half Italian) and they're some of the nicest, warmest people I've met. Maybe it's the Italian side. 
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Originally by: Astenion There is virtually zero solidarity in Europe and within each individual country, the only time they're proud of who they are is every four years during the World Cup. This is mainly due to the history of Europe and its ever-changing borders. There really is no NATIONAL identity for many countries, only the identity and pride they have of their individual regions. They look at anything that takes any kind of sacrifice on their part as an affront and in reality have a much, much stronger sense of self than we Americans do. They're much more selfish, much more arrogant, and much, well, LAZIER when it comes to matters on a national scale. It's the, "As long as it doesn't affect me, do what you want" attitude that puzzles Europeans why America would spend so much money, so many lives, and so many resources in catching just one man. On the other hand, Americans tend to be much more heavy-handed and less adept at dealing with delicate situations.
We Americans are typically very idealistic and purist; the concept of something actually means something to us, whereas Europeans have a more "Can I eat it/f*ck it/drink it/spend it? No? Then I don't care" attitude.
Both types of attitudes have both good and bad qualities about them, but I just wanted to try and explain where I think so much discord comes from on both sides. I've seen both sides, lived in both countries, and served in the US armed forces as well. I have a pretty well-rounded view of how it is...I just hope that some of you try to see it objectively without resorting to name-calling (I'm looking at you, England).
I agree with a lot of you what say there, except the part about being "arrogant". Europeans are certainly far more cynical and far less idealist and patriotic than Americans. For many people here "patriotism" is a naughty word of sorts. Probably it has to do with us having way too many centuries of almost constant warfare, civil wars, death, executions, corrupt governments, and all sorts of related malfeasance that describe our history. Whereas the US is a new country founded on a clean slate and on clear set of stated ideals and principles, that you keep repeating to your own selves.
I find it weird every time I go to the US not just the constant flag waving, but the display of the flag and its colours in pretty much every single thing, product or event you can imagine around you, along with frequent allusions to concepts revolving around "the American way". Seen from an outside perspective, it's bizarre how often USians insert the word "American" into their communications, and how prominently the concept of "America(n)" seems to be ingrained into their mindset. We don't even have equivalent expressions to "the American way" in our language, let alone use them.
As to your perception of Europeans being "arrogant", I'm going to attribute that to you living in a country ruled by freak-of-nature Berlusconi. My gf, who is American, has been living here with me for 5-6 years, and she has not encountered what you describe in that regard.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2011.05.03 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria
Originally by: Astenion There is virtually zero solidarity in Europe and within each individual country, the only time they're proud of who they are is every four years during the World Cup. This is mainly due to the history of Europe and its ever-changing borders. There really is no NATIONAL identity for many countries, only the identity and pride they have of their individual regions. They look at anything that takes any kind of sacrifice on their part as an affront and in reality have a much, much stronger sense of self than we Americans do. They're much more selfish, much more arrogant, and much, well, LAZIER when it comes to matters on a national scale. It's the, "As long as it doesn't affect me, do what you want" attitude that puzzles Europeans why America would spend so much money, so many lives, and so many resources in catching just one man. On the other hand, Americans tend to be much more heavy-handed and less adept at dealing with delicate situations.
We Americans are typically very idealistic and purist; the concept of something actually means something to us, whereas Europeans have a more "Can I eat it/f*ck it/drink it/spend it? No? Then I don't care" attitude.
Both types of attitudes have both good and bad qualities about them, but I just wanted to try and explain where I think so much discord comes from on both sides. I've seen both sides, lived in both countries, and served in the US armed forces as well. I have a pretty well-rounded view of how it is...I just hope that some of you try to see it objectively without resorting to name-calling (I'm looking at you, England).
I agree with a lot of you what say there, except the part about being "arrogant". Europeans are certainly far more cynical and far less idealist and patriotic than Americans. For many people here "patriotism" is a naughty word of sorts. Probably it has to do with us having way too many centuries of almost constant warfare, civil wars, death, executions, corrupt governments, and all sorts of related malfeasance that describe our history. Whereas the US is a new country founded on a clean slate and on clear set of stated ideals and principles, that you keep repeating to your own selves.
I find it weird every time I go to the US not just the constant flag waving, but the display of the flag and its colours in pretty much every single thing, product or event you can imagine around you, along with frequent allusions to concepts revolving around "the American way". Seen from an outside perspective, it's bizarre how often USians insert the word "American" into their communications, and how prominently the concept of "America(n)" seems to be ingrained into their mindset. We don't even have equivalent expressions to "the American way" in our language, let alone use them.
As to your perception of Europeans being "arrogant", I'm going to attribute that to you living in a country ruled by freak-of-nature Berlusconi. My gf, who is American, has been living here with me for 5-6 years, and she has not encountered what you describe in that regard.
The flag waving and other nonsense is just a farcical attempt to maintain national identity, hundreds of millions of Americans couldn't care less about the state or national identity and are a merely concerned about their own insular communities which vary from isolationism to open hostility to the state and government agencies down to outright warfare within their own communities.
See those people waving flags? they don't represent the rotten underbelly of urban decay, poverty and criminality and religious and social isolationism that many Americans carry out their lives within.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.05.03 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Grimpak specially the french.
Haha, for the sake of politeness, NO COMMENT! 
That said, my wife has family in Paris (some of her family is half French, half Italian) and they're some of the nicest, warmest people I've met. Maybe it's the Italian side. 
You mean the turncoats who switched sides in not one but two world wars?
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mama guru
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Grimpak specially the french.
Haha, for the sake of politeness, NO COMMENT! 
That said, my wife has family in Paris (some of her family is half French, half Italian) and they're some of the nicest, warmest people I've met. Maybe it's the Italian side. 
You mean the turncoats who switched sides in not one but two world wars?
Yes please lets be bitter about stuff that happened more than 70 years ago. I for one will never forgive russia for Poltava and 1809. Death to the slavs. _________ EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |

Mastertz
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Edited by: Mastertz on 03/05/2011 17:41:29 The Amurika F*CK Yeah stuff on the news has been pretty disturbing. Like that kid who said he had two finals and wasn't going to study for any of them, just like what... the... f. Even the Daily Show and The Colbert Report was surreal.
It just further cemented my opinion that people are ultimately horrible POS that still have yet to evolve out of some of the more base traits that don't make sense anymore. We're ultimately doomed.
Here's to China becoming Pakistan's ally in the up and coming WW3. The experiment must be restarted yet again. See you down in Arizona Bay.

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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 03/05/2011 17:55:46 Much to the media's dismay, it seems that a poll bounce for Obama isn't materializing. Can't say that I'm surprised. I was watching the president's speech with some people who aren't political, and as soon as he started with all the "I did this, I directed that" they laughed at him trying to take credit.
That said, I thought he'd at least get a bigger poll bump than he has. I knew it would quickly go away -- they always do.
As I heard someone say earlier: "You can't put Osama's blood in your gas tank."
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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"wag the dog" style TV fiction because Obama has had enough of so many ******ed voters thinking he had something to do with Osama Bin Laden or muslims because the names are so similar. So they put a few special FX on TV and hope that'll go away.
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Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Originally by: Mastertz Edited by: Mastertz on 03/05/2011 17:41:29 The Amurika F*CK Yeah stuff on the news has been pretty disturbing. Like that kid who said he had two finals and wasn't going to study for any of them, just like what... the... f. Even the Daily Show and The Colbert Report was surreal.
It just further cemented my opinion that people are ultimately horrible POS that still have yet to evolve out of some of the more base traits that don't make sense anymore. We're ultimately doomed.
Here's to China becoming Pakistan's ally in the up and coming WW3. The experiment must be restarted yet again. See you down in Arizona Bay.

The media go to great lengths to find idiots to quote on national TV. A steady diet of that is likely to skew your view of the world. Don't let it get you down - people in general are much better than those you see on the tube! __________________________________________________ Name a shrub after me; something prickly and hard to eradicate. |

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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Bin Laden isn't dead. He's alive.
This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. Al-Qaeda We do what we must because we can. For the good of all of us. Except the ones who are dead.
His death doesn't really do much though, the rest of them will just take it as some form of motivation.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Originally by: Mastertz It just further cemented my opinion that people are ultimately horrible POS that still have yet to evolve out of some of the more base traits that don't make sense anymore. We're ultimately doomed.
humanity: born in blood, die in blood. ---
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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I'm going to add a couple points in an historic post.
First, we still had kill rights. You'll notice Concord didn't intervene.
Second, for the past decade, Osama bin Laden has been the face of the boogieman, the monster in the closet and under the bed. Kids have grown up knowing that this person is out there, the one who blew up the World Trade Center towers, killing thousands. For over seven years we has Bush drilling the fear of Osama into the population, especially before elections. But now, the President has killed the boogieman. The monsters hiding in the room have been vanquished. You'll notice, most of the celebrants in NYC and DC were college age kids... the age that grew up with this specter of evil held over them. That's why we celebrate. That's why the national relief. We killed the boogieman. Oh... DNA evidence concludes the corpse is 99.9% likely to be Osama.
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Originally by: Martin Luther King, Jr. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
The cycle continues.
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0ld Dominion
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Posted - 2011.05.03 19:49:00 -
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2011 Hide and seek World Champions - America
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Originally by: Martin Luther King, Jr. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
The cycle continues.
"One thing that I want you to understand is that these people do not want to negotiate. They want Jihad spread to the four corners of the globe, and every infidel either converted or dead. Take our foot off of the throat of this enemy for one minute and our world changes completely."
-- Russel Crow in Body Of Lies.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.05.03 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: mama guru
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Grimpak specially the french.
Haha, for the sake of politeness, NO COMMENT! 
That said, my wife has family in Paris (some of her family is half French, half Italian) and they're some of the nicest, warmest people I've met. Maybe it's the Italian side. 
You mean the turncoats who switched sides in not one but two world wars?
Yes please lets be bitter about stuff that happened more than 70 years ago. I for one will never forgive russia for Poltava and 1809. Death to the slavs.
Who is bitter? It's just fact and something to take into consideration when making any kind of pact involving Italy. I'm glad they lack resolve or they'd be a threat.
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Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Originally by: Martin Luther King, Jr. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
The cycle continues.
Yeah you can buy a bumper sticker with those words on it for $3.95. They are just words, spoken in a different context, and not at all applicable here.
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Mastertz
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Posted - 2011.05.03 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Mastertz on 03/05/2011 21:43:13
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Originally by: Martin Luther King, Jr. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
The cycle continues.
Originally by: Bill Hicks The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride..." But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. Jesus - murdered; Martin Luther King - murdered; Malcolm X - murdered; Gandhi - murdered; John Lennon - murdered; Reagan... wounded.
It certainly does.
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.05.03 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Originally by: Martin Luther King, Jr. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
The cycle continues.
Yeah you can buy a bumper sticker with those words on it for $3.95. They are just words, spoken in a different context, and not at all applicable here.
Spoken like your namesake. Somewhere Dr. Maturin is deeply disappointed.
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Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.03 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jno Aubrey on 03/05/2011 22:18:44
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Originally by: Martin Luther King, Jr. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
The cycle continues.
Yeah you can buy a bumper sticker with those words on it for $3.95. They are just words, spoken in a different context, and not at all applicable here.
Spoken like your namesake. Somewhere Dr. Maturin is deeply disappointed.
OK, I will see your quote and raise you:
"Anyone who clings to the historically untrue ù and thoroughly immoral ù doctrine that "violence never solves anything" I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of H-i-t-l-e-r could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms."
- Robert A. Heinlein (Starship Troopers, chapter 2, p26)
Who are you going to listen to - the preacher or the writer?
(Oh, and my good friend Stephen is quite the bloody-minded individual when he wants to be, the creature )
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Evil Night
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.03 22:19:00 -
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Oh the joy! The worlds now a much safer place for us all, Well done the USA!!

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Freyus Bargem
Caldari A Humble Abode
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I head the entire Pakistani military have written a letter to the UN begging for help in locating their mouths and chins.
It seems they have trouble in finding anything that has been right under their ****ing noses for years.
Is this true?
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.05.03 22:37:00 -
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More like eyes wide shut.
Think glenn beck is bad... Pakistan is rife with Becks. Even Islamic militant groups that bomb markets and religious sites lay claim..(They even assassinated their former leader!) and Pakistani's still believe the U.S did it. Hell their intelligence agents tried to gun down an American agent (Who shot and killed them) and tried to cover it up as a robbery.
Needless to say a huge division of people in Pakistan are anti U.S (hostile), but they still want foreign aid to ward off the Taliban in their western providences.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Edited by: Astenion on 03/05/2011 23:35:56
Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria I agree with a lot of you what say there, except the part about being "arrogant". Europeans are certainly far more cynical and far less idealist and patriotic than Americans. For many people here "patriotism" is a naughty word of sorts. Probably it has to do with us having way too many centuries of almost constant warfare, civil wars, death, executions, corrupt governments, and all sorts of related malfeasance that describe our history. Whereas the US is a new country founded on a clean slate and on clear set of stated ideals and principles, that you keep repeating to your own selves.
I find it weird every time I go to the US not just the constant flag waving, but the display of the flag and its colours in pretty much every single thing, product or event you can imagine around you, along with frequent allusions to concepts revolving around "the American way". Seen from an outside perspective, it's bizarre how often USians insert the word "American" into their communications, and how prominently the concept of "America(n)" seems to be ingrained into their mindset. We don't even have equivalent expressions to "the American way" in our language, let alone use them.
As to your perception of Europeans being "arrogant", I'm going to attribute that to you living in a country ruled by freak-of-nature Berlusconi. My gf, who is American, has been living here with me for 5-6 years, and she has not encountered what you describe in that regard.
The first part of your post basically mimicked what I said; Europeans as a whole are very realistic, down-to-earth, self-centered people due to their history. However, whether you want to believe it or not, as a populous, Europeans are very arrogant when it comes to others, and especially when it comes to Americans. Maybe we deserve it, maybe we don't...that's another story. However, that doesn't take away the fact that you lot love to p!ss in our face every chance you get. Not individually, no, but as a whole, yes.
If you think Italians are arrogant, you've obviously never been to Italy longer than some generic vacation. Italians are some of the warmest and humblest Europeans I've met so far, with a genuine curiosity of others and openness that is unrivaled. They're very no-nonsense, however, and dislike indirectness and dishonesty and anything that gets in their way, which is ironic because idiot tourists come here thinking that is the mainstay of life here. Berlusconi has nothing to do with Italians, and everyone here is just waiting for him to die. The arrogance I have encountered has been abroad, outside of Italy...even the radical communists in my city are friendly; stupid, but friendly. Like I said it's not like people are spitting on me or anything, but there's a standoffish air around most people when I travel abroad, and not in the normal, I-don't-know-you-so-I'm-going-to-ignore-you kind of way, but a more "you're beneath me, shame on you for ever having been born" kind of way.
You see, we Americans are kinda silly and stupid but mostly harmless. It's the really dumb ones who people confuse with being arrogant. They're not arrogant; you have to be intelligent to be arrogant...they're just dumb. They believe in things that aren't factual and won't listen to reason. Again, they're just dumb. Most Europeans, on the other hand, know what goes on in the world, have a finger on the pulse of just about everything, but they also believe their sh!t doesn't stink and that everyone else is beneath them. They're arrogant because they're intelligent enough to be arrogant. It could be argued that it's a positive trait, even.
Americans sometimes make fools of themselves abroad, and even I give us sh!t sometimes for it, but Europeans sometimes take it too far. The English, it seems, have almost a deep-seated hatred for Americans. Ironically, our two militaries love working together and we always had a blast when we did.
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Posted - 2011.05.03 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Think glenn beck is bad... Pakistan is rife with Becks.
Glenn Beck is great. He's single handedly forced more Marxists and radicals out of the Obama administration than all of the elected Republicans combined. As an added benefit, the left hates him!
That said, he can't compare to Mark Levin. No one can. 
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.03 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Grimpak specially the french.
Haha, for the sake of politeness, NO COMMENT! 
That said, my wife has family in Paris (some of her family is half French, half Italian) and they're some of the nicest, warmest people I've met. Maybe it's the Italian side. 
You mean the turncoats who switched sides in not one but two world wars?
You mean the ones who have a better quality of life in almost every facet than the US? Yes, those people.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.03 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 03/05/2011 23:37:55
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Think glenn beck is bad... Pakistan is rife with Becks.
Glenn Beck is great. He's single handedly forced more Marxists and radicals out of the Obama administration than all of the elected Republicans combined. As an added benefit, the left hates him!
That said, he can't compare to Mark Levin. No one can. 
He's also so out of his mind and delusional that Fox fired him. Let me repeat that so it sinks in:
FOX FIRED GLENN BECK BECAUSE HE'S COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL AND INSANE.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.05.03 23:49:00 -
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I spent 4.5 months in Italy and concluded at the end that the nation of my ancestors has only one problem: it's full of Italians.
My take on "the others" based on where I have been on the planet:
- British: good sense of humor and sense of personal freedom. Slightly crazy when drunk. Very friendly if you don't mess with them. - Irish: God invented wiskey to keep them from taking over the world. Only bad thing: don't confuse them with a Brit. - Germans: Party animals mainly in the south (Bavaria but they consider themselves a seperate country anyway) but a bit suspicious in attitude further north. I find they tend to prioritize how they treat people on how much they have to gain from them, but not in an exploitive way. - Russians: I find that Russians have a deeper awareness of how rotten and corrupt the world is and think tactically to survive in it without becoming a "part of the problem". Met a few veterans of the wars in Chechnya, good people mainly but they won't let their guard down. One thing remarkable about Russians is that they are hard to intimidate. Tell a Russian you are going to kill him (we say) and he will likely laugh at you. - Danish/Norway/Finland (general area): good natured and somewhat more socialized (not in an economic socialism sort of way) personally. I think they put up with a lot of crap and I see it's hard to get ahead financially in those countries so they don't bother to judge each other about it. - French: I have had little interaction with the French but it appears that the French want to be viewed as being snobs as a means perhaps of keeping people from wanting to live there. The French bashing in the US is so prevailant that it's next to impossible to have a normal interraction with anyone from France without there being some pre-existing bias. They still have a strong sense of personal freedom. If they could learn to stop begging their country to solve the same problems their own government creates then France could be great again. - Canadians: a standup comic once said "A Canadian is like an American without a gun". It's hard to tell the difference. Problem with Canadians is that Americans who have nothing but good things to say about Canada still won't move there but act like the Pope showed up when a real Canadian is around and the Canadians think that's dumb. - Mexico: the Mexicans sneaking over the border only care about getting a job and are not here to take over. It's the people who are not Mexicans who are already here who are into that but they get paid to destabilize the country anyway. Language barriers make it hard to communicate. I can confirm that they are not here to kill us and never even bother to think about it. - Turkey: honest people mostly. They waste nothing. I was in the eastern portion. You would expect to find nastier people when you see kids fighting stray dogs in a landfill for food scraps, but you don't. - Romanians: I think the history and location of Romania has developed the kind of people who, if the world fell apart tomorrow, would not notice but they would be the first to start putting it back together as a mere formality. - Native Americans: they had enough of us and I can't blame them. Surprisingly they don't hate the White Man as much as I expect them to.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.03 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I spent 4.5 months in Italy and concluded at the end that the nation of my ancestors has only one problem: it's full of Italians.
My take on "the others" based on where I have been on the planet:
- British: good sense of humor and sense of personal freedom. Slightly crazy when drunk. Very friendly if you don't mess with them. - Irish: God invented wiskey to keep them from taking over the world. Only bad thing: don't confuse them with a Brit. - Germans: Party animals mainly in the south (Bavaria but they consider themselves a seperate country anyway) but a bit suspicious in attitude further north. I find they tend to prioritize how they treat people on how much they have to gain from them, but not in an exploitive way. - Russians: I find that Russians have a deeper awareness of how rotten and corrupt the world is and think tactically to survive in it without becoming a "part of the problem". Met a few veterans of the wars in Chechnya, good people mainly but they won't let their guard down. One thing remarkable about Russians is that they are hard to intimidate. Tell a Russian you are going to kill him (we say) and he will likely laugh at you. - Danish/Norway/Finland (general area): good natured and somewhat more socialized (not in an economic socialism sort of way) personally. I think they put up with a lot of crap and I see it's hard to get ahead financially in those countries so they don't bother to judge each other about it. - French: I have had little interaction with the French but it appears that the French want to be viewed as being snobs as a means perhaps of keeping people from wanting to live there. The French bashing in the US is so prevailant that it's next to impossible to have a normal interraction with anyone from France without there being some pre-existing bias. They still have a strong sense of personal freedom. If they could learn to stop begging their country to solve the same problems their own government creates then France could be great again. - Canadians: a standup comic once said "A Canadian is like an American without a gun". It's hard to tell the difference. Problem with Canadians is that Americans who have nothing but good things to say about Canada still won't move there but act like the Pope showed up when a real Canadian is around and the Canadians think that's dumb. - Mexico: the Mexicans sneaking over the border only care about getting a job and are not here to take over. It's the people who are not Mexicans who are already here who are into that but they get paid to destabilize the country anyway. Language barriers make it hard to communicate. I can confirm that they are not here to kill us and never even bother to think about it. - Turkey: honest people mostly. They waste nothing. I was in the eastern portion. You would expect to find nastier people when you see kids fighting stray dogs in a landfill for food scraps, but you don't. - Romanians: I think the history and location of Romania has developed the kind of people who, if the world fell apart tomorrow, would not notice but they would be the first to start putting it back together as a mere formality. - Native Americans: they had enough of us and I can't blame them. Surprisingly they don't hate the White Man as much as I expect them to.
I should say, however, that I live in the northeast, . It's a COMPLETELY different world up here...much more organized, much more serious. I would go crazy were I to live in the south.
You know, I kinda have to agree. The problem with Italy is that it's full of Italians. Italians notoriously simply don't give a sh!t about anything that doesn't involve them directly. Hence, everyone suffers together. But then again, I really wouldn't call living in Italy "suffering", that is, unless you consider having a Taco Bell and Wal-Mart a moral imperative in order to live happily.
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer - Romanians: I think the history and location of Romania has developed the kind of people who, if the world fell apart tomorrow, would not notice but they would be the first to start putting it back together as a mere formality.
 
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.05.04 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 04/05/2011 00:28:33 Jon Stewart Does Funny Impersonation Of Glenn Beck
Glenn Beck does make huge jumps of logic about what is good and evil. He tars entities like government with the same brush - big government is bad but nowadays it is obvious nowadays we need safe guards against corporate feckless exploitation. But his core message actually has a lot of validity - people need to be upright and be wary of historical traps that, though we think today we are passed it all, such as the emergence of tyranny. And that Americans have lost faith and need to re root themselves in family and community values.
Glenn Beck believes in accountability from the individual and small groups up from old fashioned core conservative values. Jon Stewart believes in embracing the now to hold accountable from elected government down to awry corporates, rich people. Both of them think that man should be upright and not kept upright. The problem is that individuals get pulled from both of these angles at the same time.
It is good that there is this type of raucous debate in the USA. But the salient points from this gets drowned out from the other vast majority of stunted plasticine news media that easily taps our dogmatic aspirations and fears.
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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 04/05/2011 00:28:35
Originally by: Astenion
He's also so out of his mind and delusional that Fox fired him. Let me repeat that so it sinks in:
FOX FIRED GLENN BECK BECAUSE HE'S COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL AND INSANE.
Except they didn't fire him. He's going to continue to produce content for them, and is likely to start his own network. Beck has been heading in that direction for a while, with his own news site and internet content network recently hired S.E. Cupp).
And what precisely has he been wrong about? There are two things that leftists point to most when criticizing Beck.
The first is when he implied President Obama was racist against white people. This is something Beck himself has long since said didn't actually mean. At the time he wasn't familiar with the concept he was trying to establish and lacked the proper word.
The idea was much better expressed in a book from Dinesh D'Souza (who Glenn had on his program) called The Roots of Obama's Rage, which asserted that Obama had the mentality of an anti-colonialist which was instilled in him by his father. This is one reason why the relationship between the US and Britain under Obama's regime has been strained from the beginning. Before he became president it was pretty clear Obama had the same attitude toward the US.
The second thing leftists like to point to is Beck's belief that there is a union of convenience between communists and Islamists in Egypt. They can ridicule him all they like but, just as there are links between labor unions and people in the Obama administration with international socialist and Marxist movements, collectivists and Islamists joined forces to march against the government of Egypt.
From Al Jazeera:
Quote:
In the third consecutive Friday of protests, about 3,500 opposition activists from JordanÆs main Islamist opposition group, trade unions and leftist organisations gathered in the capital, waving colourful banners reading: ôSend the corrupt guys to courtö.
From the Herald-Sun:
Quote: Tens of thousands of demonstrators have started a silent protest in the Albanian capital Tirana, a week to the day after clashes during an opposition rally killed three.
The demonstrators, headed by the leadership of the opposition Socialists and the families of the victims, started a march on the government buildings.
Now, if the either group got into power would they remain allied? No. Communism has a much bloodier history than Islam. 
But the alliance of convenience that Beck spoke of? Absolutely real.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.04 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 04/05/2011 00:39:09 They didn't fire him from Fox, they sh!tcanned his show because no sponsors wanted to be associated with such a moron and any of his moronic followers. He had 2 million viewers and lost 300 (THREE HUNDRED!) ad sponsors. He's a delusional idiot and anyone who takes his word as gospel is an idiot as well.
Quote: The first is when he implied President Obama was racist against white people. This is something Beck himself has long since said didn't actually mean. At the time he wasn't familiar with the concept he was trying to establish and lacked the proper word.
      Are you f*cking serious?!?!? Can you seriously say this with a straight face, that "he didn't mean it and wasn't familiar with the concept and lacked the proper word" of labeling Obama a white-people-hating racist? WHAT KIND OF WORDS *DID* HE MEAN, THEN?     
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Jada Maroo
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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 04/05/2011 00:44:13
Originally by: Astenion They didn't fire him from Fox, they sh!tcanned his show because no sponsors wanted to be associated with such a moron and any of his moronic followers. He had 2 million viewers and lost 300 (THREE HUNDRED!) ad sponsors. He's a delusional idiot and anyone who takes his word as gospel is an idiot as well.
His show is fully sponsored, actually. It doesn't matter if 300 companies refuse to sponsor you as long as you have a loyal group that never drops. In fact my biggest complaint about Beck's show on Fox is that after the first 15 minutes, he has too many commercials.
Quote: WHAT KIND OF WORDS *DID* HE MEAN, THEN?     
Caps always make for a convincing argument! 
If you were to actually read my entire post before posting a knee-jerk response consisting of 90% caps and smilies, you'd see that I answered that question.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.04 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 04/05/2011 00:45:55
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Astenion They didn't fire him from Fox, they sh!tcanned his show because no sponsors wanted to be associated with such a moron and any of his moronic followers. He had 2 million viewers and lost 300 (THREE HUNDRED!) ad sponsors. He's a delusional idiot and anyone who takes his word as gospel is an idiot as well.
His show is fully sponsored, actually. It doesn't matter if 300 companies refuse to sponsor you as long as you have a loyal group that never drops. In fact my biggest complaint about Beck's show on Fox is that after the first 15 minutes, he has too many commercials.
Fully sponsored, huh? Is that why his show got canned?
Linkage
Roger Ailes says he's happy with both interpretations that Beck was fired and that Beck quit. That's the boss of everyone at Fox, btw. That's boss speak for, "I canned his ass but we're letting him save face".
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Jada Maroo
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Originally by: Astenion
Fully sponsored, huh? Is that why his show got canned?
Are you saying that those ads for gold and what-not between the breaks on his show are not commercials?
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Beck was backtracking because he's an idiot and embarrassed himself and everyone else at Fox, which is pretty hard to do.
Beck said, "This president has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or the white culture, I dunno..."
So you're telling me that he can justify that somehow by saying what he REALLY meant was he was anti-colonialist?
Even funnier!!!!!
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Astenion
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Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Astenion
Fully sponsored, huh? Is that why his show got canned?
Are you saying that those ads for gold and what-not between the breaks on his show are not commercials?
You DO realize that he has to finish his contract, right, and that his show is ending later this year, right? They didn't just pull the plug...they refused to resign his contract. Therefore, he finishes his contract now. A little deductive reasoning isn't too much to ask.
Oh, and btw, his show in the UK has *NO* ads because no one wants to be associated with him. That's right, Glenn Beck runs commercial-free in the UK, which just means one continuous LAWL for everyone there.
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Jada Maroo
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Originally by: Astenion Beck was backtracking because he's an idiot and embarrassed himself and everyone else at Fox, which is pretty hard to do.
Beck said, "This president has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or the white culture, I dunno..."
So you're telling me that he can justify that somehow by saying what he REALLY meant was he was anti-colonialist?
Even funnier!!!!!
Not only is that what I am saying, that is what Dinesh D'Souza identified as the ideat Beck was trying to understand. Americans don't really have a concept of it anymore -- the closest thing we have is the Revolutionary War.
Anti colonialism today is a rejection of Westernism, more or less. Or some would say a rejection of imposed Westernism, or opposition at least to those who imposed it. From the point of view of Obama's father (and Dinesh D'Souza's father), they were mostly white westerners.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.04 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
You DO realize that he has to finish his contract, right, and that his show is ending later this year, right? They didn't just pull the plug...they refused to resign his contract. Therefore, he finishes his contract now. A little deductive reasoning isn't too much to ask.
Oh, and btw, his show in the UK has *NO* ads because no one wants to be associated with him. That's right, Glenn Beck runs commercial-free in the UK, which just means one continuous LAWL for everyone there.
Beck is continuing to produce for Fox, as said in my first response. And I'm surprised his show runs at all in the UK actually. It's a very American-centric show, and I don't think most Britis would even care to watch it.
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Astenion
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Posted - 2011.05.04 01:04:00 -
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You just said that hating white people = rejecting western society, that it doesn't mean you're racist, it means you don't like fast food and Apple.
Wow. I have to say with all honesty that you're the reason I got out of the military.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.04 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 04/05/2011 01:13:11
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Astenion
You DO realize that he has to finish his contract, right, and that his show is ending later this year, right? They didn't just pull the plug...they refused to resign his contract. Therefore, he finishes his contract now. A little deductive reasoning isn't too much to ask.
Oh, and btw, his show in the UK has *NO* ads because no one wants to be associated with him. That's right, Glenn Beck runs commercial-free in the UK, which just means one continuous LAWL for everyone there.
Beck is continuing to produce for Fox, as said in my first response. And I'm surprised his show runs at all in the UK actually. It's a very American-centric show, and I don't think most Britis would even care to watch it.
Holy crap, how many times do I have to say it? His show getting canceled is due to him being a delusional idiot. He's not leaving for better things, he's being transferred to the mailroom because he's out of his mind. The only thing he has ever done is spew BS on television and radio; it's not like he has any other skills. He's going to continue working for Fox in the background because they don't want him running his mouth in front of the cameras. He's not a journalist, he has no credentials, and he's delusional. What can he do? Stay in the background and be part of the wallpaper, and that's exactly where they're putting him.
It's not hard to deduce why. He lost over 300 sponsors; Fox is in the money-making business, not the news business. He's not making them any money because no one wants to be associated with him, therefore, they're yanking his show. Where is the disconnect?
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.04 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
Holy crap, how many times do I have to say it? His show getting canceled is due to him being a delusional idiot. He's not leaving for better things, he's being transferred to the mailroom because he's out of his mind.
I wonder how many other mailroom employees will be producing specials for Fox News then. They sure picked a funny way to keep him hidden.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.04 01:19:00 -
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You need to train up your sarcasm comprehension skills to at least level 3.
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Vogue
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Obama's situation is interesting because he has inherited a traditional model of USA doing politics in the world. Which is a white skinned perspective of doing business with countries who get on the 'kiss your ass and play nice' league table. Irrespective of the dark chicanery sponsored tyrannical regimes get up to. This is a vestige of western colonialism that is maintained by over educated white people who are steeped the history of white people having sway in the world.
Meanwhile China through its ingenious and sly 'harmony though unity' approach is building vast economic supply chains around the world. They know that globalization has supplanted monolithic notions of nations and territory. China like most of the EU will hold back assisting USA in firefighting as politics between power blocs is like Texas Hold'Em Poker.
Obama is stuck with the rule book of American primacy and esoteric moral superiority that is so disjointed. However what Obama has failed to do is to craft any type of global strategy. He should seek the advice of some retired White House advisers who know the lay of the land.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.04 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion You just said that hating white people = rejecting western society, that it doesn't mean you're racist, it means you don't like fast food and Apple.
Wow. I have to say with all honesty that you're the reason I got out of the military.
Yes, that is exactly what I said. Verbatim!
Maybe the reason you left the military is that you don't pay attention to what is said, and substitute it for what you want to hear. I hope your new job isn't a court reporter!
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.04 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Astenion You just said that hating white people = rejecting western society, that it doesn't mean you're racist, it means you don't like fast food and Apple.
Wow. I have to say with all honesty that you're the reason I got out of the military.
Yes, that is exactly what I said. Verbatim!
Maybe the reason you left the military is that you don't pay attention to what is said, and substitute it for what you want to hear. I hope your new job isn't a court reporter!
Again, train up the sarcasm comprehension. But at the same time, it kinda IS what you said. Had Beck said what you're INTENDING, it would've sounded something more along the lines of, "I don't understand where this president is coming from...is he anti-establishment, anti-colonialist/westernism (does that even exist in the US?), anti-capitalism/democracy?", it would've been much more understandable. But he DIDN'T say that, did he? He said, "I dunno if this president hates white people or the white culture, or what..." That's a far cry from what you're saying he said.
And I left the military when I saw more and more people like Glenn Beck literally perverting what the US stands for with their "it's ok to be stupid" mentality. I decided I would not shed one drop of blood for idiots who think they should be allowed to be idiots.
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Posted - 2011.05.04 01:42:00 -
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Main reason Fox News, Beck and others are important (and their ratings soar) is because journalists and news media are expected to be highly skeptical of government and our leadership. Ask hard questions, make them squirm.
We got skepticism out the ass during the Bush years. NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, all of them loved to attack the Bushies. And I didn't have a problem with that. It was their job after all.
Unfortunately, that all stopped once Obama came onto the scene, and we got cheerleading. Talking heads started actively selling his initiatives (Obamacare, Cash for Clunkers, etc), and unfairly portraying middle-class white protesters who resisted his ideas as violent racists.
Simply put, people started turning to Fox, Limbaugh and Beck, when they got tired of NBC's Brian Williams telling them about how great Obama is all the time. Feel bad for the Brits who get force-fed biased BBC tripe all the time. I will say, that despite the tabloids, they do have some pretty good print media. I always bought the Telegraph and the Economist - even if the Economist spends most of its time making excuses for Obama, these days.
And Beck? He can be pretty intense - and the pressure to drive his message likely has been affecting his health. There are days where he makes excellent points - and at times the show is spontaneously laugh-out-loud funny as well, rivaling actual scripted 'comedy' shows like Jon Stewart. Agree with him or not, he's been quite savvy in building his multimillion dollar media empire - and I have a hard time equating that with 'idiotic delusion'.
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Astenion
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Posted - 2011.05.04 01:55:00 -
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Telling a bunch of drooling, racist mouthbreathers in a farcical political movement known as the Tea Party that Rockefeller Plaza is a commie plot, that Obama hates white people, that people are going to start dying everywhere, that FEMA has prison camps set up waiting for the gubment to lock droves of people up, that the US is going to become a socialist nation, and that the US has a good health care system DOES make him a delusional idiot, and people who believe him are idiots as well.
There is no debate here, there is no other side of the story. The man's out of his mind and he made tons of money because there are millions and millions of people dumber than he is in the US right now who will believe a turd smells like potpourri if it's said by the Republicans or the idiots who claim to be "Libertarian". There's nothing savvy about him. He was manipulated by Fox to get ratings and now that they're done with him they're throwing him away. The end.
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Posted - 2011.05.04 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion The end.
Oh, you're leaving the thread then? I'll miss you arguing with your own straw men. 
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.04 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 04/05/2011 02:17:43 I'm not going anywhere. People who actually believe what Glenn Beck has to say bring the lolz more than just about any other topic.
He's really stupid, but his followers are even more stupid, which is like stupid squared. Listening to them argue that he didn't mean Obama was a racist when he said, "I honestly believe this man is a racist", makes me nearly p!ss myself every time I hear it.
And then...wait, get this...Fox tries to backpedal a little bit to save face, so he then completely does a 180 in literally 10 seconds and says, "I'm not saying he doesn't like white people..." and then two seconds later DOES ANOTHER 180 and says, "...but I believe...this guy is a racist."
Bring the lolz
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.04 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 04/05/2011 02:21:26
Originally by: Herr Wilkus There are days where he makes excellent points - and at times the show is spontaneously laugh-out-loud funny as well, rivaling actual scripted 'comedy' shows like Jon Stewart. Agree with him or not, he's been quite savvy in building his multimillion dollar media empire - and I have a hard time equating that with 'idiotic delusion'.
One of the strange things about the Beck-Stewart relationship is that they actually seem to like each other. At the very least there is a odd sort of mutual respect -- probably because Beck comes from a comedy background he understands Stewart's impersonation of him isn't meant to be taken personally.
Jon Stewart actually called Glenn Beck a few nights before the "Rally to Restore Sanity." Stewart said something along the lines of "Oh my god this is actually happening. What do I do?" I'd love to know what other conversations they've had privately.
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Posted - 2011.05.04 02:29:00 -
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I don't follow the show every day, but I recall that Beck pointed out that Obama had openly appointed a radical friend of his named Van Jones as a 'green jobs czar' and responsibility over allocation of substantial milions of federal dollars.
Beck, correctly, pointed out that Van Jones, in addition to being a leftist radical, he was also a 9/11 Truther, one of those nuts who believe that Bush was responsible for 9-11 - and signed a statement to that effect.
Beck highlighting the issue created a public outcry, and Obama quickly replaced him with someone who presumably lives in the real world. I would argue that Beck provided a public service. CNN, NBC, New York Times? Not a peep out of them. Not an ounce of skepticism.
And that was not an isolated incident. Exposure of ACORN's rampant corruption would have have never come to light if the New York Times and the network news organizations had anything to say about it. FOX, Beck, and others brought it to the public's attention, and it resulted in the withdrawal of public funds and the group collapsed soon after.
I'd also be a lot weathier today if I'd taken Beck's advice on purchasing gold, 3 or 4 years ago. Its nearly doubled in value since then.
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Posted - 2011.05.04 02:43:00 -
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I have real world things to do, but enjoyed reading your reasoned posts Jada.
That other guy makes about as much sense as those UK 'anarchists' rioting over government spending cuts last month. 
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.04 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 04/05/2011 02:58:22 So you're saying that you would've made money had you invested in gold on advice from a guy with millions of dedicated followers, who also happens to be a paid spokesperson for Goldline. What a shock.
Yes, I'm an anarchist punk because I call out Glenn Beck and his lunatic followers and eternally backpedaling apologists for their spewing of bullsh!t. 
Arguing that Beck is some kind of messiah because he got a *shocking* prediction or two right such as gold and silver going up out of the scores of hysterical nonsense is silly. A broken clock is right twice a day and even a blind hog will find an acorn every now and then. That doesn't take away from the fact he's a nut.
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Tullaris Iceblade
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Posted - 2011.05.04 04:26:00 -
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It's interesting that here in the UK the only American political commentator who is any way listened to is Jon Stewart. We will watch him and enjoy his shows whether we are conservative/labour/liberal.
People like Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'reilly are usually laughed at. I've lived in a few EU countries and the attitude is generally the same. To us Europeans even the democrats in America are right wing 
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2011.05.04 07:29:00 -
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Never argued that he was a messiah. Just a sometimes entertaining and sometimes informative radio/TV host. He talks about issues that damage the socialist left. His shows draw an audience of millions, not because they are lunatics, but because they are interested in hearing a contrary voice that is critical of Obama's administration and his leftist policies.
I don't doubt that he is wrong sometimes - anyone who speaks without a script for three hours a day invariably will be. (Hell, Obama doesn't even open his mouth without his teleprompter at the ready - for fear of saying something uncomfortably revealing about his views.)
But when the press does little more than cheerlead, parrot White House talking points, and attack his opposition - of course people are going to look elsewhere for their information.
Hell - just look at the annual White House Correspondents' Dinner. Traditionally, the MC tells jokes, poking fun at the President and the press corps, in a generally tasteful manner. Often, the President will poke fun at himself as well. GW Bush, in particular was savaged by Stephen Colbert - to the point of White House staff walking out.
Not with Obama, however. Since Obama started presiding, the event is entirely at the expense of Obama's political enemies - to the point of tastelessly implying racism (Trump, 2011), or openly wishing bodily harm on them (Limbaugh, 2009).
Even two years later, comedians STILL can't bring themselves to really tear into Obama. That would take courage.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.05.04 09:00:00 -
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I officially declare this thread super-duper-derailed.
My view : If you would kill all the relatives of Osama to the 3th degree, maybe their friends and pets as well, this assassination would be a bit more effective in dissuading terrorists. This of course is not going to happen, I'm just saying... The world now is not much changed, but I am happy for the many Americans who finally have closure. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.04 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus Never argued that he was a messiah. Just a sometimes entertaining and sometimes informative radio/TV host. He talks about issues that damage the socialist left. His shows draw an audience of millions, not because they are lunatics, but because they are interested in hearing a contrary voice that is critical of Obama's administration and his leftist policies.
I don't doubt that he is wrong sometimes - anyone who speaks without a script for three hours a day invariably will be. (Hell, Obama doesn't even open his mouth without his teleprompter at the ready - for fear of saying something uncomfortably revealing about his views.)
But when the press does little more than cheerlead, parrot White House talking points, and attack his opposition - of course people are going to look elsewhere for their information.
Hell - just look at the annual White House Correspondents' Dinner. Traditionally, the MC tells jokes, poking fun at the President and the press corps, in a generally tasteful manner. Often, the President will poke fun at himself as well. GW Bush, in particular was savaged by Stephen Colbert - to the point of White House staff walking out.
Not with Obama, however. Since Obama started presiding, the event is entirely at the expense of Obama's political enemies - to the point of tastelessly implying racism (Trump, 2011), or openly wishing bodily harm on them (Limbaugh, 2009).
Even two years later, comedians STILL can't bring themselves to really tear into Obama. That would take courage.
Well, think about it for a second. While Obama has made some mistakes, he's not the buffoon that Bush was. There isn't much material you can use against Obama, especially now. What are you gonna say, make a joke about him pushing universal health care in order to improve the lives of all citizens? Draw down troops in an unnecessary war in Iraq? Put the focus back on Afghanistan and improve the situation there, which he has done? Give the order to kill Osama Bin Laden? He did all of those things, and all of those things are really, really good things. What is there to make fun of besides the economy? That he's a loving husband and father? That he wasn't born in the US (which is a lie started by the right)? There's just nothing really that bad to say about him.
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Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.04 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion Well, think about it for a second. While Obama has made some mistakes, he's not the buffoon that Bush was. There isn't much material you can use against Obama, especially now. What are you gonna say, make a joke about him pushing universal health care in order to improve the lives of all citizens? Draw down troops in an unnecessary war in Iraq? Put the focus back on Afghanistan and improve the situation there, which he has done? Give the order to kill Osama Bin Laden? He did all of those things, and all of those things are really, really good things. What is there to make fun of besides the economy? That he's a loving husband and father? That he wasn't born in the US (which is a lie started by the right)? There's just nothing really that bad to say about him.
If you can't find anything bad to say about Obama, then you are not thinking about it for as long as a second. You're mind is closed, your ears don't work, you're blind as a mole, and thank God you are no longer in the military!
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Astenion
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Edited by: Astenion on 04/05/2011 14:23:33 I didn't say I can't think of anything bad to say about him, I said there isn't the sheer amount of comedic material available for him that there was for the Bush Administration. Really, the only good thing about the Bush Administration's reign was their record-breaking giving of aid to Africa to fight AIDS. I'm not saying Obama is perfect by any means; I think his handling of the economy has been weak and limp-wristed, and I think he could definitely do more to punish the banks and insurance companies.
It's good I'm not in the military anymore because I support Obama? So you're saying that all military members should be Republican and think like Republicans? I think it would be best if YOU were to get out/stay out of the military. Remember that pay crisis a couple of weeks ago, due to the government shutdown? It was Obama pleading with the Republicans to hurry up and come to a consensus so military members would get paid, and it was the REPUBLICANS who sat on the bill until the last minute.
It looks like YOU'RE the one blind as a bat with his fingers in his ears. Keep hanging around the smoke pit with your buddies, imagining new things to invent to slag Obama...oh wait, your party has been doing that since he got into office.
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Caldari The Illuminatii Dirt Nap Squad.
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Jno Aubrey
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Posted - 2011.05.04 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion So yes, there really isn't *THAT* much negativity surrounding Obama in respect to Dubya, aside from the negativity invented by idiot Republicans like this birth certificate nonsense. They also like to forget that the reason the economy is in shambles is directly and solely laid at the feet of the Bush Administration and the Republican majority. Obama inherited it AFTER the first bailout by Dubya, and at that point the ball was already in motion.
Most of the negativity surrounding Bush was driven by a leftist media with an agenda; the double standard is obvious to anyone who wants to look. That same media simply WILL NOT report the truth about the current administration's policies. Our current fiscal crisis is directly attributable to socialist policies that have been supported by self-serving politicians from both sides of the aisle dating back to the Carter administration.
Originally by: Astenion It's good I'm not in the military anymore because I support Obama? So you're saying that all military members should be Republican and think like Republicans?
Of course not. Its because you are deaf, blind, and ignorant that I don't want you handling military hardware.
Originally by: Astenion It looks like YOU'RE the one blind as a bat with his fingers in his ears. Keep hanging around the smoke pit with your buddies, imagining new things to invent to slag Obama...oh wait, your party has been doing that since he got into office.
You are making assumptions about my party affiliation that are unfounded and untrue. You don't have to be a Republican to hate what this president and his cronies are doing to our country.
I AM thankful that he had the stones to renege on his campaign promises to shut down Gitmo, have civil trials for the inmates, stop using waterboarding, and bring our troops home. As a result he deserves the lion's share of credit for nailing Bin Laden.
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Originally by: Jno Aubrey
[...] Our current fiscal crisis is directly attributable to socialist policies that have been supported by self-serving politicians from both sides of the aisle dating back to the Carter administration. [...]
Really? I thought it was because of the bankers who strong armed the Reagan administration to deregulate the financial markets.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.04 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 04/05/2011 17:00:42
Originally by: Jno Aubrey Most of the negativity surrounding Bush was driven by a leftist media with an agenda; the double standard is obvious to anyone who wants to look. That same media simply WILL NOT report the truth about the current administration's policies. Our current fiscal crisis is directly attributable to socialist policies that have been supported by self-serving politicians from both sides of the aisle dating back to the Carter administration.
Originally by: Astenion It's good I'm not in the military anymore because I support Obama? So you're saying that all military members should be Republican and think like Republicans?
Of course not. Its because you are deaf, blind, and ignorant that I don't want you handling military hardware.
You are making assumptions about my party affiliation that are unfounded and untrue. You don't have to be a Republican to hate what this president and his cronies are doing to our country.
I AM thankful that he had the stones to renege on his campaign promises to shut down Gitmo, have civil trials for the inmates, stop using waterboarding, and bring our troops home. As a result he deserves the lion's share of credit for nailing Bin Laden.
First, it wasn't the media who sent us on a wild goose chase in the middle of Iraq looking for non-existent WMD, killing thousands of our own and tens of thousands of innocents, all the while making a mockery of what the US stands for. What you're doing is blaming the media for reporting on, well, current events, and you're angry because you don't like what they have to say because the truth offends your partisan sensibilities. "Most of the negativity surrounding Bush" was driven because the entire Administration was a colossal embarrassment and failure to the American people and the rest of the world, not because of MSNBC as you'd like to believe. The media didn't bring the country to the lowest point in its entire history; that administration did.
Again, it is you who is deaf, dumb, and blind...and it is a good thing that YOU are not in the military. Blaming the lowest decade in our history on the liberal media is ridiculous, partisan, and out of touch with reality. You're just a shameless apologist.
Let me guess, you're a "Libertarian", but only because it's unpopular to claim being Republican. You and your ilk simply took your ridiculous ideas and gave it a new name in order to not be so unpopular. So while you may not be a registered Republican, you're still a Republican because of your viewpoint. Don't play both sides of the fence, just admit what you are and stick with it without hiding behind farcical party affiliations.
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Jno Aubrey
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Posted - 2011.05.04 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion First, it wasn't the media who sent us on a wild goose chase in the middle of Iraq looking for non-existent WMD, killing thousands of our own and tens of thousands of innocents, all the while making a mockery of what the US stands for. What you're doing is blaming the media for reporting on, well, current events, and you're angry because you don't like what they have to say because the truth offends your partisan sensibilities. "Most of the negativity surrounding Bush" was driven because the entire Administration was a colossal embarrassment and failure to the American people and the rest of the world, not because of MSNBC as you'd like to believe. The media didn't bring the country to the lowest point in its entire history; that administration did.
True, but it IS that same media that refuses to report that both the elephants and the donkeys believed that intel and voted to invade. Because you refuse to go outside your leftist media bubble you only get one version of the story.
Originally by: Astenion Again, it is you who is deaf, dumb, and blind...and it is a good thing that YOU are not in the military. Blaming the lowest decade in our history on the liberal media is ridiculous, partisan, and out of touch with reality. You're just a shameless apologist.
I didn't blame the media - go read it again. I blamed every administration from Carter to the present. Politicians who mortgage the future to get (re)elected today.
Originally by: Astenion Let me guess, you're a "Libertarian", but only because it's unpopular to claim being Republican. You and your ilk simply took your ridiculous ideas and gave it a new name in order to not be so unpopular. So while you may not be a registered Republican, you're still a Republican because of your viewpoint. Don't play both sides of the fence, just admit what you are and stick with it without hiding behind farcical party affiliations.
I envy you your certainty - when election day comes around you can just go pull the "D" lever and go home feeling you've done your civic duty.
For a Libertarian (actually I consider myself a Classical Liberal in the Jeffersonian sense) it is harder - you have to look at each candidate and decide who on balance is going to be most likely to decrease the size and scope of government and increase individual freedom and responsility. Most often that is a Republican but not always. Democrats have all the socialist economic baggage, and Republicans carry the religious right baggage, and both of those serve to diminish individual liberty.
tl;dr - it's not easy being me. 
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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They killed him after a firefight, not during and he was unarmed yet resisting, harsh language?
I bet the spooks are happy to get the regular citizen on board on their murder boat but as much as it's a relief to have the loon gone you will have to wonder where this lead.
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Ayieka
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus They killed him after a firefight, not during and he was unarmed yet resisting, harsh language?
I bet the spooks are happy to get the regular citizen on board on their murder boat but as much as it's a relief to have the loon gone you will have to wonder where this lead.
i think that's because it was an assassination. they weren't going for prisoners. its just one of those times where the government does something shadowy and underhanded but no one really blames them.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Originally by: Ayieka
Originally by: Danton Marcellus They killed him after a firefight, not during and he was unarmed yet resisting, harsh language?
I bet the spooks are happy to get the regular citizen on board on their murder boat but as much as it's a relief to have the loon gone you will have to wonder where this lead.
i think that's because it was an assassination. they weren't going for prisoners. its just one of those times where the government does something shadowy and underhanded but no one really blames them.
Maybe they where worried that if they captured him alive there would be repeated hostage taking demanding his release or something? whatever the reason they did it all comes from the fact he was worth a lot more dead than alive to the US.
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Radix Salvilines
The Gummy Bears Blue Meanies
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Originally by: Alpheias Can't wait for when the US military decides to go after Christian targets.
add to that all world's religions... root of all evil...
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Originally by: Astenion First, it wasn't the media who sent us on a wild goose chase in the middle of Iraq looking for non-existent WMD, killing thousands of our own and tens of thousands of innocents, all the while making a mockery of what the US stands for. What you're doing is blaming the media for reporting on, well, current events, and you're angry because you don't like what they have to say because the truth offends your partisan sensibilities. "Most of the negativity surrounding Bush" was driven because the entire Administration was a colossal embarrassment and failure to the American people and the rest of the world, not because of MSNBC as you'd like to believe. The media didn't bring the country to the lowest point in its entire history; that administration did.
True, but it IS that same media that refuses to report that both the elephants and the donkeys believed that intel and voted to invade. Because you refuse to go outside your leftist media bubble you only get one version of the story.
Originally by: Astenion Again, it is you who is deaf, dumb, and blind...and it is a good thing that YOU are not in the military. Blaming the lowest decade in our history on the liberal media is ridiculous, partisan, and out of touch with reality. You're just a shameless apologist.
I didn't blame the media - go read it again. I blamed every administration from Carter to the present. Politicians who mortgage the future to get (re)elected today.
Originally by: Astenion Let me guess, you're a "Libertarian", but only because it's unpopular to claim being Republican. You and your ilk simply took your ridiculous ideas and gave it a new name in order to not be so unpopular. So while you may not be a registered Republican, you're still a Republican because of your viewpoint. Don't play both sides of the fence, just admit what you are and stick with it without hiding behind farcical party affiliations.
I envy you your certainty - when election day comes around you can just go pull the "D" lever and go home feeling you've done your civic duty.
For a Libertarian (actually I consider myself a Classical Liberal in the Jeffersonian sense) it is harder - you have to look at each candidate and decide who on balance is going to be most likely to decrease the size and scope of government and increase individual freedom and responsility. Most often that is a Republican but not always. Democrats have all the socialist economic baggage, and Republicans carry the religious right baggage, and both of those serve to diminish individual liberty.
tl;dr - it's not easy being me. 
Fair enough...I can pretty much get on board with everything you said in that post. Your previous posts were a bit contradictory.
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Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus They killed him after a firefight, not during and he was unarmed yet resisting, harsh language? I bet the spooks are happy to get the regular citizen on board on their murder boat but as much as it's a relief to have the loon gone you will have to wonder where this lead.
I don't care if he was standing there naked with an "I'm unarmed" sign in 12 languages - he's dead and we don't have to suffer through the spectacle of a public trial with a taxpayer-provided legal team and an O.J. Simpson-IQ jury.
Originally by: Radix Salvilines
Originally by: Alpheias Can't wait for when the US military decides to go after Christian targets.
add to that all world's religions... root of all evil...
Amen
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Originally by: Danton Marcellus They killed him after a firefight, not during and he was unarmed yet resisting, harsh language? I bet the spooks are happy to get the regular citizen on board on their murder boat but as much as it's a relief to have the loon gone you will have to wonder where this lead.
I don't care if he was standing there naked with an "I'm unarmed" sign in 12 languages - he's dead and we don't have to suffer through the spectacle of a public trial with a taxpayer-provided legal team and an O.J. Simpson-IQ jury.
You fail to see the point, when the majority view legal issues as you yourself does the state has failed. When due process is a spectacle and not law and ad hoc sollutions the norm then you really got nothing to lean on. Saying your an american citizen will not stop the next bullet to your face.
I've seen it before 'but I'm clean, I have nothing to fear!' Yes perhaps you're clean but what if the government ain't?
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.04 20:04:00 -
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Muslim Brotherhood condemns Bin Laden's "assassination"
Oh, look at that! The "moderate" Muslim group that only wanted freedom from that mean old Egyptian dictator is finally showing its true colors.
The headline should have read:
Western intelligentsia scammed again, conservative skeptics vindicated.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.04 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo Muslim Brotherhood condemns Bin Laden's "assassination"
Oh, look at that! The "moderate" Muslim group that only wanted freedom from that mean old Egyptian dictator is finally showing its true colors.
The headline should have read:
Western intelligentsia scammed again, conservative skeptics vindicated.
Haha, what a surprise! Although they don't speak for the entire population, we knew this was coming.
I wouldn't say the skeptics were all conservative, as this was a worrying issue from the start for everyone but the tree-hugging vegan limp-wristed pacifists around the world.
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Jago Kain
Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.05.04 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus ...I've seen it before 'but I'm clean, I have nothing to fear!' Yes perhaps you're clean but what if the government ain't?
Ah. The old "...they came for the mass murdering terrorist living in a walled compound under the noses of the military who were supposed to be looking for him and I did nothing because I was not a mass murdering terrorist living in a walled compound under the noses of the military who were supposed to be looking for him..." argument.
This is quite clearly nonsense as we all know that the government (pick one; they're all super lovely people) has only our best interests at heart and that the chances of you being railroaded by corrupt officials with their own agenda for expressing discontent with the wonderful way things are going and frowning when they tell you it's all fair and hard work is rewarded and there is no glass ceiling, nepotism, cronyism or other discrimination are virtually non-existent. Honestly. No... really.
Anyone who says different is quite clearly a terrorist sympathiser and unpatriotic and deserves to have their door kicked in at 4AM and be dragged away by anonymous figures in black never to be heard of again.
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Jada Maroo
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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 04/05/2011 20:17:48 Oh my god! You all have to see this. It's graphic, I warn you, but look at the top left, just above his shoulder! He was armed! 
Bin Laden buddy fought back, several SEAL team members heavily soaked
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Burnharder
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Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Most of the negativity surrounding Bush was driven by a leftist media with an agenda; the double standard is obvious to anyone who wants to look.
I don't doubt that many media organisations (Fox notwithstanding) hated Bush, but come on get real, the man was an ignorant buffoon!
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Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.04 20:17:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Danton Marcellus You fail to see the point, when the majority view legal issues as you yourself does the state has failed. When due process is a spectacle and not law and ad hoc sollutions the norm then you really got nothing to lean on. Saying your an american citizen will not stop the next bullet to your face.
I've seen it before 'but I'm clean, I have nothing to fear!' Yes perhaps you're clean but what if the government ain't?
You fail to see that this was not a legal issue. OBL was an enemy combatant hiding in a foreign country not under the jurisdiction of US law. He was a legitimate military target and as such nobody has cause to complain that he was eliminated.
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Burnharder
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Originally by: Jada Maroo Muslim Brotherhood condemns Bin Laden's "assassination"
Oh, look at that! The "moderate" Muslim group that only wanted freedom from that mean old Egyptian dictator is finally showing its true colors.
The headline should have read:
Western intelligentsia scammed again, conservative skeptics vindicated.
The Muslim Brotherhood was caught flat-footed by all of the demonstrations and various over-throwings. Al Qaeda has been shown to be largely irrelevant to the wishes of the vast majority of Muslims too, given that a few mass demonstrations have achieved more in 10 months than the terrorists have achieved in 10 years. Overall I would be optimistic about the situation; the people want secular democracy and liberalism, not theocracy and tyranny, on the whole.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2011.05.04 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Originally by: Danton Marcellus You fail to see the point, when the majority view legal issues as you yourself does the state has failed. When due process is a spectacle and not law and ad hoc sollutions the norm then you really got nothing to lean on. Saying your an american citizen will not stop the next bullet to your face.
I've seen it before 'but I'm clean, I have nothing to fear!' Yes perhaps you're clean but what if the government ain't?
You fail to see that this was not a legal issue. OBL was an enemy combatant hiding in a foreign country not under the jurisdiction of US law. He was a legitimate military target and as such nobody has cause to complain that he was eliminated.
To paraphrase John Cleese: "Due process don't enter into it!"
If they can perform an assassination on foreign soil of a supposed ally against international law then I don't think US law hold any water, perhaps some OJ for refreshment and appearances but if you see beyond the case at hand and to the precedence it sets then you'll see that you're in company with Israel and Russia, rogue nations if there ever was such a thing.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2011.05.04 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
You fail to see the point, when the majority view legal issues as you yourself does the state has failed. When due process is a spectacle and not law and ad hoc sollutions the norm then you really got nothing to lean on. Saying your an american citizen will not stop the next bullet to your face.
I've seen it before 'but I'm clean, I have nothing to fear!' Yes perhaps you're clean but what if the government ain't?
So, you are arguing that because Osama Bin-Laden did not stand trial in a court of law - he should have been presumed innocent? That killing him was murder? And that Obama, as the CIC, should be brought up on charges for ordering that murder? And this incident is just one more jump in the direction of a lawless society with no respect for due process?
Well, I don't like Obama, but I tend to go with Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven" on this one.
Osama Bin Laden was caught unarmed?
"Well, he should have armed himself..."
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2011.05.04 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
You fail to see the point, when the majority view legal issues as you yourself does the state has failed. When due process is a spectacle and not law and ad hoc sollutions the norm then you really got nothing to lean on. Saying your an american citizen will not stop the next bullet to your face.
I've seen it before 'but I'm clean, I have nothing to fear!' Yes perhaps you're clean but what if the government ain't?
So, you are arguing that because Osama Bin-Laden did not stand trial in a court of law - he should have been presumed innocent? That killing him was murder? And that Obama, as the CIC, should be brought up on charges for ordering that murder? And this incident is just one more jump in the direction of a lawless society with no respect for due process?
Well, I don't like Obama, but I tend to go with Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven" on this one.
Osama Bin Laden was caught unarmed?
"Well, he should have armed himself..."
He knew his days were numbered, he didn't arm himself as he wanted to either be caught alive and keep grandstanding or achieve exactly this, a win win in his books as he knew he was going down anyways once found.
Don't be silly, american presidents have nearly all commited crimes against humanity but none have stood trial, none ever will. People speculated Obama would be one of the exceptions but after this I'm not sure the legal buffs have him in that corner.
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Bulldug
Starlight Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.05.04 21:13:00 -
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All I want to say is that the root of ignorance is selfrighteousness and lack of personal introspection. Playing the devil's advocate on your own mind are very helpful to gain new personal insights. A fluid belief system are superior to a rigid belief system. All good inventors know this as it's key to new discoveries..
Education is not just about knowledge but also mentorship. To teach knowledge without mentorship is indoctrination, whatever it be intentional or not. Actual a good teacher will leave the student with more questions than answers. Why? Because it's the question not the answer than lead to new personal insights etc. Americans in general are to afraid to accept that "they don't know" so history repeat itself with the same old dramas from the past. Living with "I know" is a tremendous handicap that keeps us out of the present, and living in the past. It doesn't allow us anything new, no surprises, no insights, no discoveries.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2011.05.04 21:13:00 -
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So you are saying that 'nearly all' American presidents are guilty of crimes against humanity.
You state that Obama, however, was not guilty of crimes against humanity - until an unarmed Osama Bin Laden was killed.
Considering that "Nobel Peace Prize winner Barry Obama" has increased troop deployment and fighting in Afghanistan, kept Gitmo open - ordered countless Predator drone attacks (with collateral damage) in Pakistan, and is part of an operation that is openly trying to kill the Libyan head of state, and his family....
Your definition of 'crimes against humanity' must be very flexible and convenient. Please, go in to more detail, how actions taken by Bush made him a criminal, and yet Obama (until now) was not. 
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Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.04 21:20:00 -
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And anyway, he already won the Peace Prize just for being himself, so he no longer needs to worry about World Opinion. __________________________________________________ Name a shrub after me; something prickly and hard to eradicate. |

Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.04 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jno Aubrey And anyway, he already won the Peace Prize just for being himself, so he no longer needs to worry about World Opinion.
He should melt it down and turn it into bullets. 
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.04 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Jno Aubrey And anyway, he already won the Peace Prize just for being himself, so he no longer needs to worry about World Opinion.
He should melt it down and turn it into bullets. 
Or a grill, Obama needs gold teeth with diamonds in the middle
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2011.05.04 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jno Aubrey And anyway, he already won the Peace Prize just for being himself, so he no longer needs to worry about World Opinion.
It's handed out by norweigans... He must've gotten it simply for not being just another R.
As for Obama dealing with the mess Bush left him it's a whole other seat to be in than starting it all. I don't see how the war in Afghanistan is on that list, they were hosting Al-Qaeda, didn't want to give them up, seems pretty legit in my book.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.05 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Jno Aubrey And anyway, he already won the Peace Prize just for being himself, so he no longer needs to worry about World Opinion.
It's handed out by norweigans... He must've gotten it simply for not being just another R.
As for Obama dealing with the mess Bush left him it's a whole other seat to be in than starting it all. I don't see how the war in Afghanistan is on that list, they were hosting Al-Qaeda, didn't want to give them up, seems pretty legit in my book.
Yes, I never understood the bandwagon jumping pacifists against the war in Afghanistan. Iraq, yes, but not Afghanistan.
It almost seems like they worked themselves up into a frenzy and just decided that everything the American government ever did, does, and ever will do is bad and we're ebil and we eat babies and kick little kittens.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.05 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Jno Aubrey And anyway, he already won the Peace Prize just for being himself, so he no longer needs to worry about World Opinion.
It's handed out by norweigans... He must've gotten it simply for not being just another R.
As for Obama dealing with the mess Bush left him it's a whole other seat to be in than starting it all. I don't see how the war in Afghanistan is on that list, they were hosting Al-Qaeda, didn't want to give them up, seems pretty legit in my book.
Yes, I never understood the bandwagon jumping pacifists against the war in Afghanistan. Iraq, yes, but not Afghanistan.
It almost seems like they worked themselves up into a frenzy and just decided that everything the American government ever did, does, and ever will do is bad and we're ebil and we eat babies and kick little kittens.
Sometimes little kittens need to be kicked
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.05 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Jno Aubrey And anyway, he already won the Peace Prize just for being himself, so he no longer needs to worry about World Opinion.
It's handed out by norweigans... He must've gotten it simply for not being just another R.
As for Obama dealing with the mess Bush left him it's a whole other seat to be in than starting it all. I don't see how the war in Afghanistan is on that list, they were hosting Al-Qaeda, didn't want to give them up, seems pretty legit in my book.
Yes, I never understood the bandwagon jumping pacifists against the war in Afghanistan. Iraq, yes, but not Afghanistan.
It almost seems like they worked themselves up into a frenzy and just decided that everything the American government ever did, does, and ever will do is bad and we're ebil and we eat babies and kick little kittens.
Sometimes little kittens need to be kicked
NOOOOOO!!! NOT THE KITTEHS!!!!!!
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Atra Hasis
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Posted - 2011.05.05 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Jno Aubrey And anyway, he already won the Peace Prize just for being himself, so he no longer needs to worry about World Opinion.
It's handed out by norweigans... He must've gotten it simply for not being just another R.
As for Obama dealing with the mess Bush left him it's a whole other seat to be in than starting it all. I don't see how the war in Afghanistan is on that list, they were hosting Al-Qaeda, didn't want to give them up, seems pretty legit in my book.
Yes, I never understood the bandwagon jumping pacifists against the war in Afghanistan. Iraq, yes, but not Afghanistan.
It almost seems like they worked themselves up into a frenzy and just decided that everything the American government ever did, does, and ever will do is bad and we're ebil and we eat babies and kick little kittens.
In Chicago, we eat babies. So the rumors are partially true.
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.05.05 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Wilhelm Riley on 05/05/2011 17:52:21
Originally by: Astenion does, and ever will do is bad and we're ebil and we eat babies and kick little kittens.
Well there was that video of U.S. soldiers kicking a puppy off a cliff..
Edit: They threw it off a cliff. Double edit: I just watched it again, that is the most horrible thing I have ever seen.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.05 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Edited by: Wilhelm Riley on 05/05/2011 17:51:39 Edited by: Wilhelm Riley on 05/05/2011 17:49:23
Originally by: Astenion does, and ever will do is bad and we're ebil and we eat babies and kick little kittens.
Well there was that video of U.S. soldiers kicking a puppy off a cliff..
Edit: They threw it off a cliff.
As dogs are inferior to kitties, I do not see a problem 
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.05.05 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
As dogs are inferior to kitties, I do not see a problem 
Slade
Oh I'm sure there's a video of them throwing kittens off a cliff too.
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Heroltior Ghedonia
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Posted - 2011.05.06 03:12:00 -
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A fellow employee cant get enough of the joke:
There's a new drink out called the "Bin Laden"
2 Shots and a splash of water!!!
Badump bump!!!
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.06 04:52:00 -
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I'm not an Obama fan (not even a little bit), but on this issue, I am very please with him. (and am irritated at the flack he is getting on this from the right. From the left, I ignore, as the left is just about to stupid to breath....)
According to the most recent news I've read, the "Rules of Engagemen" the SEALs were give amounted to "Unless they are naked, assume they have a suicide vest on. Deadly force is authorized".
Speaking as a 22 year U.S. military veteran: BEST RULES OF ENGAGEMENT EVER!
And I'm not joking, even if I am 'celebrating death' (more laughing than celebrating, but why quible?....)
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Florio
Versatech Co. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.05.06 05:57:00 -
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Osama had a good point, he just made it in a bad way.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.06 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 06/05/2011 07:35:57 Well this is interesting, what really happened: Linkage
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.05.06 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
And I left the military when I saw more and more people like Glenn Beck literally perverting what the US stands for with their "it's ok to be stupid" mentality. I decided I would not shed one drop of blood for idiots who think they should be allowed to be idiots.
I retired from the military after 21 years. I did shed blood, some of my friends gave their lives. So keep on being an idiot Astenion, we did it so idiots like you are free to continue being idiots.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.06 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Originally by: Astenion
And I left the military when I saw more and more people like Glenn Beck literally perverting what the US stands for with their "it's ok to be stupid" mentality. I decided I would not shed one drop of blood for idiots who think they should be allowed to be idiots.
I retired from the military after 21 years. I did shed blood, some of my friends gave their lives. So keep on being an idiot Astenion, we did it so idiots like you are free to continue being idiots.
Really? If your only goal was to safeguard the nation, why is the US army being used so much in offence? Now, you personally might do it out of a sense of duty and as a way to help your loved ones. I can repsect that feeling of wanting to help, even if I think the way you do it is misguided. But the military institution is not doing what you say or feel it is doing.
I agree on Asentions obesrvation that stupidity is beign glorified. It really is in many places. And it has only been getting worse these last years. I dare say the stupification of the general population has been more or less successfull. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Originally by: Astenion
And I left the military when I saw more and more people like Glenn Beck literally perverting what the US stands for with their "it's ok to be stupid" mentality. I decided I would not shed one drop of blood for idiots who think they should be allowed to be idiots.
I retired from the military after 21 years. I did shed blood, some of my friends gave their lives. So keep on being an idiot Astenion, we did it so idiots like you are free to continue being idiots.
So I'm an idiot because I don't like Glenn Beck? Here's a news flash: I went downrange too. I lost friends too. You're barking up the wrong tree; go spin that sh!t to some flag-waving idiot with a SUPPORT THE TROOPS bumper sticker on his Hummer. I dunno if you get the hypocrisy in that, but just think about it.
I got out because I couldn't bring myself to fight any more wars for people who really just don't care anymore as long as they don't have to get involved, and because of the millions of people like Glenn Beck who hide their lunacy, racism, and absurdity behind a thin veil of partisan politics, i.e., just about the entire Republican Party and their inane Tea Party lackeys.
21 years, huh? I got out at 9 in '05. By the time Iraq hit, you were nearly at retirement...already over the hump. You would've been stupid to come that far without retiring and getting the benefits. Our situations are different, so knock off the p!ssing contest. Again, I've been downrange and lost friends as well. Your turning it into some sort of competition is crass, in bad taste, and disrespectful, and you should be ashamed for doing so.
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Geoscape
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:41:00 -
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I don't get it. The Yanks have been chasing Bin Laden for nearly a decade and when they finally find him they simply shoot him and toss him overboard. I was expecting something more creative :/
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.05.06 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion So I'm an idiot because I don't like Glenn Beck? Here's a news flash: I went downrange too. I lost friends too. You're barking up the wrong tree; go spin that sh!t to some flag-waving idiot with a SUPPORT THE TROOPS bumper sticker on his Hummer. I dunno if you get the hypocrisy in that, but just think about it.
I got out because I couldn't bring myself to fight any more wars for people who really just don't care anymore as long as they don't have to get involved, and because of the millions of people like Glenn Beck who hide their lunacy, racism, and absurdity behind a thin veil of partisan politics, i.e., just about the entire Republican Party and their inane Tea Party lackeys.
21 years, huh? I got out at 9 in '05. By the time Iraq hit, you were nearly at retirement...already over the hump. You would've been stupid to come that far without retiring and getting the benefits. Our situations are different, so knock off the p!ssing contest. Again, I've been downrange and lost friends as well. Your turning it into some sort of competition is crass, in bad taste, and disrespectful, and you should be ashamed for doing so.
I didn't state why you were and idiot, assume what you want. From your comments it seems that if everyone thought the same way you do and had the same opinions as you that perhaps you would think the USA would then be something worth serving and defending, but not otherwise? And finally... you really think it's about retirement benefits?
I am done with this thread, cya.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 06/05/2011 15:25:54
Originally by: Amber Villaneous I didn't state why you were and idiot, assume what you want. From your comments it seems that if everyone thought the same way you do and had the same opinions as you that perhaps you would think the USA would then be something worth serving and defending, but not otherwise? And finally... you really think it's about retirement benefits?
I am done with this thread, cya.
Wow, there are so many loaded questions in your post. I'll start with the first one.
The fact of the matter is that if in 1996 I had known how the military would be manipulated and abused for an administration's personal neo-conservative vendetta in order to invade a sovereign nation under a blatant lie told not just to US citizens and military members but to every citizen in the entire world, I would never have joined. I really thought we would never do such a thing, that the US government would never be corrupt enough to send people to their deaths for quite literally nothing. They played on our idealism and patriotism in order to achieve selfish ends, which is unforgivable. On top of that, I realized towards the end of my tenure that not only were vast amounts of people ok with that i.e., the Republican Party/Tea Party, but they were ok with an "as long as I'm not involved, I'll just wave my flag and attack the critics" attitude and that their supporters, instead of opening their eyes, became viciously ultra-nationalist, attacking anyone who dared think otherwise.
As for your last question, I'm left with either two assumptions: either you are one of the afore-mentioned sheep who think US policy is infallible no matter who it hurts, or that you stayed in the last few years for the benefits. That's it, because there's no way you could have sworn to uphold the constitution of the United States and actually be ok with what's going on unless you either agreed with it or were about to retire.
So to answer your question if I think the American people were worth serving if they thought like me, then, well, yes...obviously. If the vast majority of right-wingers felt that we shouldn't invade other countries over a lie, that education and health care is more important than waging war, that living inside a bubble is a bad thing then I would feel differently. Obviously we see that's not true. I respect different ideals and opinions and understand the defense of such a right, but if your ideals are BAD IDEALS, then I will not fight for them. It's not that difficult to understand. I'm not going to voluntarily go into harm's way so fascists can destroy the foundation of the United States in the name of "frayduhm".
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Originally by: Astenion Edited by: Astenion on 06/05/2011 15:34:36
Originally by: Amber Villaneous I didn't state why you were and idiot, assume what you want. From your comments it seems that if everyone thought the same way you do and had the same opinions as you that perhaps you would think the USA would then be something worth serving and defending, but not otherwise? And finally... you really think it's about retirement benefits?
I am done with this thread, cya.
Wow, there are so many loaded questions in your post. I'll start with the first one.
The fact of the matter is that if in 1996 I had known how the military would be manipulated and abused for an administration's personal neo-conservative vendetta in order to invade a sovereign nation under a blatant lie told not just to US citizens and military members but to every citizen in the entire world, I would never have joined. I really thought we would never do such a thing, that the US government would never be corrupt enough to send people to their deaths for quite literally nothing. They played on our idealism and patriotism in order to achieve selfish ends, which is unforgivable. On top of that, I realized towards the end of my tenure that not only were vast amounts of people ok with that i.e., the Republican Party/Tea Party, but they were ok with an "as long as I'm not involved, I'll just wave my flag and attack the critics" attitude and that their supporters, instead of opening their eyes, became viciously ultra-nationalist, attacking anyone who dared think otherwise.
As for your last question, I'm left with either two assumptions: either you are one of the afore-mentioned sheep who think US policy is infallible no matter who it hurts, or that you stayed in the last few years for the benefits. That's it, because there's no way you could have sworn to uphold the constitution of the United States and actually be ok with what's going on unless you either agreed with it or were about to retire.
So to answer your question if I think the American people were worth serving if they thought like me, then, well, yes...obviously. If the vast majority of right-wingers felt that we shouldn't invade other countries over a lie, that education and health care is more important than waging war, that living inside a bubble is a bad thing then I would feel differently. Obviously we see that's not true. I respect different ideals and opinions and understand the defense of such a right, but if your ideals are BAD IDEALS, then I will not fight for them. It's not that difficult to understand. I'm not going to voluntarily go into harm's way so fascists can destroy the foundation of the United States in the name of "frayduhm".
According to you, if the the right became the N@zi party then I should be ok with defending that party just because they have the freedom to do so and it's the "freedom" I'd be fighting for.
NO.
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You know... looking at the intel that was gathered... even if bin Laden wasn't home just all those computers, thumb drives, etc. would have made this a successful mission. If you think about the intel recovered as well, this was the perfect outcome. Got the bad guy and enough intel to put some serious hurting on the network.
Well done indeed.
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UK Islamists Rally in London
Note to Europe - ya'll might want to stop letting these people into your countries.
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Edited by: Atra Hasis on 06/05/2011 21:49:01
Originally by: Jada Maroo UK Islamists Rally in London
Note to Europe - ya'll might want to stop letting these people into your countries.
Freedom of speech man. Just as in the US, you are allowed to express yourself and your feelings.
EDIT: though it may be wise for MI5 and MI6 to get some some names
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Herzog Wolfhammer
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Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Originally by: Astenion
And I left the military when I saw more and more people like Glenn Beck literally perverting what the US stands for with their "it's ok to be stupid" mentality. I decided I would not shed one drop of blood for idiots who think they should be allowed to be idiots.
I retired from the military after 21 years. I did shed blood, some of my friends gave their lives. So keep on being an idiot Astenion, we did it so idiots like you are free to continue being idiots.
Wow. You pushed the "troops are defending your freedom" lie WHILE calling someone else an idiot. That's gold.
You spent 21 years being an underpaid mercenary for the global bankers. Stop BSing yourself. No standing US military has defended any freedom since the War of 1812.
I am also a veteran and a party to murder and those deny the truth are the last to know and the first to get fragged.
Sad part is, you are probably going to hang out at the VFW hall or gun shows trying to tell kids how great military service is while wearing a stupid hat covered in pins.
But I guess it's normal to love the ones who delivered you to the trauma that is known to have a hypnotic side effect. Something will snap you out of it, like a warrantless checkpoint.
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Originally by: Atra Hasis Edited by: Atra Hasis on 06/05/2011 21:49:01
Originally by: Jada Maroo UK Islamists Rally in London
Note to Europe - ya'll might want to stop letting these people into your countries.
Freedom of speech man. Just as in the US, you are allowed to express yourself and your feelings.
EDIT: though it may be wise for MI5 and MI6 to get some some names
MI5 and MI6 probably planned the whole thing.
Seriously, do you think you or I could gather like-minded people and do that? Both the US and the UK make it very damned hard to have a protest. Even in the US we have "free speech zones" and you cannot even have any rally for any reason without a permit. So who amongst "serious" supporters of OBL would want to apply?
Looking at the pictures out of England, I wonder where "Rage Boy" is. They usually send him out for these things.
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,761077,00.html
Quote: A Hamburg judge has filed a criminal complaint against Chancellor Angela Merkel for "endorsing a crime" after she stated she was "glad" that Osama bin Laden was killed by US forces. Meanwhile a new poll reveals that a majority of Germans do not see the terrorist's death as a reason to celebrate.
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Originally by: Jada Maroo UK Islamists Rally in London
Note to Europe - ya'll might want to stop letting these people into your countries.
It's no different than that idiot "God hates F@gs" preacher. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of speech unless you don't like what they say...it means FREEDOM of speech. As much as you Teabaggers rant and rave about freedom, it's surprising to see that you don't even know what it means.
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Originally by: Astenion
It's no different than that idiot "God hates F@gs" preacher. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of speech unless you don't like what they say...it means FREEDOM of speech. As much as you Teabaggers rant and rave about freedom, it's surprising to see that you don't even know what it means.
Tea Party activists don't typically fly planes into buildings or plant bombs on trains. That's pretty much an Islamist thing. Although, radical leftists still far, far outpace Islamists in incidents of domestic terrorism. They've been at the top of the charts now for well over a decade. They just lack Islam's body count.
And you don't have the right to provide aid and comfort to the enemy. Marching in the street doesn't rise to that definition, but I'd be willing to bet several of those marching sent money to groups they aren't supposed to, legally. Abd I don't know about laws in the UK, but I don't think you're actually allowed to legally wear masks during a protest since it is cause for suspicion that you intend to break the law.
So all those women in beekeeper outfits really ought to be forced to unmask themselves, assuming the laws are the same over there.
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Astenion
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Originally by: ceaon http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,761077,00.html
Quote: A Hamburg judge has filed a criminal complaint against Chancellor Angela Merkel for "endorsing a crime" after she stated she was "glad" that Osama bin Laden was killed by US forces. Meanwhile a new poll reveals that a majority of Germans do not see the terrorist's death as a reason to celebrate.
So Germany is a bit on the soft side when it comes to terrorism and immigration, what else is new? After WW2 they've been some of the biggest pacifists in Europe. However, this snippet makes it sound like they're supporting OBL or something, which isn't true. I myself thought the celebrations and such were crass and in bad taste, and I agree that there's no real reason to celebrate out in the streets, but that's just because it makes you look like a bunch of third-world savages, or in this case, Middle Eastern protests. Also it doesn't mean that the war on terror is over by any stretch of the imagination. I'm sure that's what was intended, only media loves to try and stir controversy.
The judge is probably some limp-wristed, overzealous pacifist. If it bothered the German government so much then they wouldn't be in Afghanistan.
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Posted - 2011.05.07 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
The judge is probably some limp-wristed, overzealous pacifist.
assumptions, do you have more of them ?
if there is legal ground for this i hope this will go frontward
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Quote: Tea Party activists don't typically fly planes into buildings or plant bombs on trains.
No, they just stomp on women's heads and give them concussions at Rand Paul political rallies.
Quote: And you don't have the right to provide aid and comfort to the enemy. Marching in the street doesn't rise to that definition, but I'd be willing to bet several of those marching sent money to groups they aren't supposed to, legally. And I don't know about laws in the UK, but they're probably not allowed to legally wear masks during a protest since it is cause for suspicion that the mask wearer intends to break the law.
So you're saying that simply because they dislike the West that they're automatically terrorists and that they can't be afforded the freedom of speech and assembly, is that it? Again, it doesn't matter whether you like it or not, it's freedom of speech. As long as their speech isn't inciting riots, there's no crime.
I agree that I think all these immigrants who move to western countries and then protest western society should just go back to living in their hovels, but that's still their right to protest. Truth be told, England is a little limp-wristed when it comes to immigration in respect to other European countries like France and Italy, but if you think for one second that they don't know exactly what's going on in these groups, you'd be sorely mistaken. Like the other guy said, I wouldn't be surprised if MI5 organized the protest.
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Originally by: ceaon
if there is legal ground for this i hope this will go frontward
Wait wait wait... You actually think it should be illegal to say "I'm glad Osama bin Laden is dead."? Really?
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.07 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Astenion
The judge is probably some limp-wristed, overzealous pacifist.
assumptions, do you have more of them ?
if there is legal ground for this i hope this will go frontward
You seriously think there are legal grounds for the criminal prosecution of Angela Merkel in saying she's glad OBL is dead? What's next, sending people to jail when they jokingly say, "I'm gonna kill you!"?
If someone breaks an eyelash you're always there whining about the persecution of said eyelash and how outraged you are. When you start living in the real world, please let me know...then we'll have a real conversation. Until then, just keep asking for more of our money while you whine about not getting a 14th paycheck and having to take only 35 days vacation this year. It's easy to be always contrary to everything when you can't even take a stand on a single issue, other than crying about how life isn't fair.
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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 07/05/2011 00:45:15
Originally by: Astenion
No, they just stomp on women's heads and give them concussions at Rand Paul political rallies.
Sorry, concussion's the best that they can do. They don't have the finger-biting-off experience of leftists and union thugs or bomb making expertise that Obama's mentor had. Maybe some day!
Quote: So you're saying that simply because they dislike the West that they're automatically terrorists and that they can't be afforded the freedom of speech and assembly, is that it? Again, it doesn't matter whether you like it or not, it's freedom of speech. As long as their speech isn't inciting riots, there's no crime.
Well there are limits to freedom of speech, and I'm not sure this would fall under its protection actually. Imagine this were in print form and you were handing out pamplets supporting bin Laden and al Qaeda. They are actively at war with the United Staes government. I'm not sure you wouldn't get arrested. At the very least, you'd be having a long talk with Homeland Security. And if you're here on any sort of visa, you wouldn't have it for long.
This is a grey area. The government is probably within its authority through treason acts to prevent that sort of literature's publication. I just don't know whether they'd do it.
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.07 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 07/05/2011 00:56:46
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Well there are limits to freedom of speech, and I'm not sure this would fall under its protection actually. Imagine this were in print form and you were handing out pamplets supporting bin Laden and al Qaeda. They are actively at war with the United Staes government. I'm not sure you wouldn't get arrested. At the very least, you'd be having a long talk with Homeland Security. And if you're here on any sort of visa, you wouldn't have it for long.
This is a grey area. The government is probably within its authority through treason acts to prevent that sort of literature's publication. I just don't know whether they'd do it.
Wow, you really don't know anything about freedom of speech, do you? This just proves my point that the Tea Party is there simply because they like to complain about things they don't know anything about half the time. "Get yer gubment hands off mah Medicare!" I've always said you people are idiots, but I didn't realize how little you knew about the things you protest so much.
Here's a clue, and it's free: on September 11, 2001, there were people across the country dancing in the their driveways and in the streets in places while the WTC was burning. They were exercising their rights of freedom of speech, and they were protected under our laws. If you handed out pamphlets supporting Al Qaeda, then OF COURSE they're going to investigate you, but they're not going to forcibly remove you if you're doing it legally. That's like saying you hate the government and passing out pamphlets calling for revolution, but if you make a threat to anyone in the government, then it becomes a crime. Do you see how this works? Why do you think the Sarah Palin bullseye poster was such a big deal? There was this debate whether it was intentionally inciting violence or that it was just free speech.
You are free to say anything you want as long as it doesn't intrude on others' rights and as long as it doesn't incite a riot. The only LEGAL limits to freedom of speech is that you cannot infringe on the rights of others. You can offend as many people as you want, but if you're not doing anything illegal, no one can LEGALLY do anything to you.
Why am I not surprised that I have to explain this to you?
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Astenion
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Edited by: Astenion on 07/05/2011 01:13:37 What's more, how do you think disgusting organizations like NAMBLA continue to hold conferences and are allowed to exist legally? Freedom of speech. As long as they don't do anything illegal, they are allowed to say or do whatever they want.
How do you think Charles Manson went to prison? He didn't kill anyone...never lifted a finger. He manipulated others into doing illegal acts, and that's why he went to jail.
What about the guy who just got sent to prison for coercing people over the internet to kill themselves? It's not freedom of speech because he took advantage of them and manipulated them into committing suicide.
Just because what someone says may offend you doesn't mean they don't have a right to do it. If you try to harm them, it will be YOU who is arrested.
Fred Phelps can go to whatever funerals he wants and picket and say whatever he wants as long as it's not inciting violence. This douchebag has won case after case brought against him because he's protected under freedom of speech laws.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.05.07 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 07/05/2011 01:47:53
Originally by: Astenion
I've always said you people are idiots, but I didn't realize how little you knew about the things you protest so much.
Reported.
You just can't type out a response without resorting to your tired old crutch of flaming, can you? You're gonna break that thing one of these days!
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IoWalker
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Edited by: IoWalker on 07/05/2011 02:17:12 Y A Y RAND PAUL 
That's right, he's a Senator now. You can take your stomped woman head and head to the door kbai.
ed: unless a stomped woman head is an arc mission objective, in which case it's MINE.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Yay! Donald Trump for president! What a massive troll on America that would be 
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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IoWalker
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Posted - 2011.05.07 02:42:00 -
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American and troll in the first place... what's not a fit so far?
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Culmen
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Originally by: Astenion stuff
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Yay! Donald Trump for president! What a massive troll on America that would be 
Imagine in the republican pre-elections Donald Trump vs Sarah Palin, I wouldnt know if I should laugh or cry about that.
Quote: Tea Party activists don't typically fly planes into buildings or plant bombs on trains. That's pretty much an Islamist thing.
Welcome to Ireland, where people showed uptill quite recently also christians have no issues bombing other christians because they have a slightly different believe.
Regarding those muslims in the UK protesting in favour of OBL, they are obviously idiots (and from what I heard about the EDL they also arent exactly swimming in active brain cells), and on first thought I wouldnt mind if we rent some part of Siberia to put them all. However on second thought, freedom of speech and right on a fair trial is not something you should disable when someone has an opinion you dont like.
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Well this thread has degenerated into a political discussion thread. Given that the events are quite old now, the thread can be locked.
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