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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Alpheias on 02/05/2011 04:18:55
Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias Still, I am calling BS on his death, until they can affirm the identity.
I expect many people around the world are waiting for the hard evidence. Even so, I doubt they would announce something like this unless it was true, mostly because it would be subject to such a high level of scrutiny.
I recall the Bush administration announcing that a certain dictator in Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and harbored Terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda....
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Royaldo
Gallente Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:21:00 -
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In a house(cnn reported first a mansion), Obama used the word compound, near islamabad.
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Wrayeth
EdgeGamers Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 02/05/2011 04:27:40
Originally by: Alpheias I recall the Bush administration announcing that a certain dictator in Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and harbored Terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda....
Touche. I won't go into what I think of the previous administration, but I will point out a large difference: Bush only thought said Iraqi dictator had WMD's. This time, we have the evidence; we have the body as proof. It would be stupid for Obama to announce we took down Bin Laden without having confirmed the corpse's identity beyond a doubt. -Wrayeth --> Insert Useless Signature Here <-- |
Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:26:00 -
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Finally! :relief::tears:
Originally by: CCP Shadow ...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias I recall the Bush administration announcing that a certain dictator in Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and harbored Terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda....
Touche. I won't go into what I think of the previous administration, but I will point out a large difference: Bush only thought said Iraqi dictator had WMD's. This time, we have the evidence; we have the body as proof. It would be stupid of Obama to announce we took down Bin Laden without having confirmed the corpse's identity beyond a doubt.
I agree with you on that. But I am waiting for the identify of said corpse to be confirmed before I write Bin Laden off.
And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
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simon perry
Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:29:00 -
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World Hide And Go Seek Champion (2001 - 2011)
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Wrayeth
EdgeGamers Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
True. It's a slippery slope, but I expect the SEALs were instructed to capture him alive if possible, but by no means let him escape. They've announced there was a firefight, and they may not have been able to take him prisoner alive so that he could face justice; I expect there's only so much you can do when somebody's shooting at you. -Wrayeth --> Insert Useless Signature Here <-- |
Reiisha
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
True. It's a slippery slope, but I expect the SEALs were instructed to capture him alive if possible, but by no means let him escape. They've announced there was a firefight, and they may not have been able to take him prisoner alive so that he could face justice; I expect there's only so much you can do when somebody's shooting at you.
Gotta be honest, there are few Usians who wouldn't want to have pulled the trigger themselves. The possibility of them going in ahead is pretty real and shouldn't be dismissed, though in the end it doesn't really matter anyway.
And yes, not using "Americans" anymore as a word to describe people from the US. There's a lot of other countries on the continents with "America" in their names and i got pretty annoyed with it >_>
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias
And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
And if the guy is busy trying to gouge out your remaining eye? There's a difference between revenge and security.
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Kiesha Elarik
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:45:00 -
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Officially they were told to take him alive or dead, but I bet unofficially, they just wanted him dead, avoid the trouble of a trial and such.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Alpheias
And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
And if the guy is busy trying to gouge out your remaining eye? There's a difference between revenge and security.
Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
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Wrayeth
EdgeGamers Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
Question: Do you believe criminals should be brought to justice so they can't commit more crimes in the future? So that they are forced to face up to the consequences of their actions? -Wrayeth --> Insert Useless Signature Here <-- |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias
Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Alpheias
And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
And if the guy is busy trying to gouge out your remaining eye? There's a difference between revenge and security.
Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
1 less terrorist plotter/leader securer I believe.
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:56:00 -
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Americans are probably in more danger now than they were 2 days ago. Maybe they should have been delivering him food and stuff to make sure he was comfortable... you know, for security's sake.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:00:00 -
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America victor.
That is all. ------------------- The path which can be seen is not the True Path |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
Question: Do you believe criminals should be brought to justice so they can't commit more crimes in the future? So that they are forced to face up to the consequences of their actions?
Sure. But I don't believe in a juridical system where the "Eye for an eye" principle rules supreme (case in point, the eerie ease some courts in the US sentences people left and right to death).
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias
Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
Question: Do you believe criminals should be brought to justice so they can't commit more crimes in the future? So that they are forced to face up to the consequences of their actions?
Sure. But I don't believe in a juridical system where the "Eye for an eye" principle rules supreme (case in point, the eerie ease some courts in the US sentences people left and right to death).
How about around 10,000 eyes for an eye? I don't believe in the death penalty either but seriously, stop trolling.
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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:05:00 -
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I don't see it as an eye for an eye in this case; it's more a case of arranging a direct meeting with Allah so they can have a chat.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias
Sure. But I don't believe in a juridical system where the "Eye for an eye" principle rules supreme (case in point, the eerie ease some courts in the US sentences people left and right to death).
I understand your POV and I do respect it.
But speaking as a native New Yorker, all I can say is...
AMERICA! F*** YEAH!
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: ChaeDoc II Americans are probably in more danger now than they were 2 days ago. Maybe they should have been delivering him food and stuff to make sure he was comfortable... you know, for security's sake.
I can only think her point was that it won't change things much and she might be right or even increase retaliation strikes for a short term, but there really wasn't alternatives to this. When someone is actively plotting to kill you, you have the right to kill him by self defence justification alone. Outside personal beliefs of a few fringe individuals there isn't going to be anyone who has serious objections to this outcome.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:15:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: ChaeDoc II Americans are probably in more danger now than they were 2 days ago. Maybe they should have been delivering him food and stuff to make sure he was comfortable... you know, for security's sake.
I can only think her point was that it won't change things much and she might be right or even increase retaliation strikes for a short term, but there really wasn't alternatives to this. When someone is actively plotting to kill you, you have the right to kill him by self defence justification alone. Outside personal beliefs of a few fringe individuals there isn't going to be anyone who has serious objections to this outcome.
You are right on that it won't really change much since the term 'war on terror' is now thrown around so loosely and it seems, just seems, to me that you don't need much anymore to call on military action against a country other than suspecting harboring of terrorists and whatnot (or wanting their oil).
Sure, if someone is actively plotting to kill you, but how many is actually plotting to kill you, the individual that wrote the above? A terrorist attack is hardly meant to specifically target individuals but rather places and areas where people gather to deliver the maximum effect of shock, fear and horror with massive collateral damage (lives, buildings etc)
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:29:00 -
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The real question is:
How will Al-Quada respond.
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the plague
Anthraxus Defense Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: the plague on 02/05/2011 05:30:00 The world is a better place tonight.
Great job, US forces.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:00:00 -
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Sadly killing him made him a martyr, still they probably didnt have a choice. Good job for sure.
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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Sadly killing him made him a martyr, still they probably didnt have a choice. Good job for sure.
Know what martyrs all have in common? They're dead.
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Something Random
Gallente The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:24:00 -
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So they finally found the ****er..... Take that Big Nose !!!!!
To the brave Ops... I SMELL MEDALS !!!
Congrats, took time but is still worth it whatever the trolls say.
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:34:00 -
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Congratulations to all! On NBC news, a NY fireman who survived that day had the following quote, "The face of evil, is dead." Couldn't have summed it up better myself.
The podding of the decade! __ Gothie <3 |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gothikia Congratulations to all! On NBC news, a NY fireman who survived that day had the following quote, "The face of evil, is dead." Couldn't have summed it up better myself.
The podding of the decade!
Muppet quote of the century too!
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias
Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
How secure is anyone who sits on their thumbs and waits for their enemy to attack?
The US and many countries worldwide have been dismantling Al Qaeda and killing off its leadership. The Jasmine Revolutions have shown Al Qaeda to be a non-player. If Al Qaeda cannot mount any kind of meaningful retaliation to avenge the loss of their leader, then Al Qaeda isn't going to have any credibility left.
I don't think Osama the martyr is going to bring in as many recruits and funding as a living breathing Osama "Defying the West for 10+ Years" bin Laden.
Also, don't forget that Pakistan has nukes and a government being threatened by extremists such as Al Qaeda. A stable Pakistan is in interests of US security.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.05.02 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Alpheias
Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
How secure is anyone who sits on their thumbs and waits for their enemy to attack?
The US and many countries worldwide have been dismantling Al Qaeda and killing off its leadership. The Jasmine Revolutions have shown Al Qaeda to be a non-player. If Al Qaeda cannot mount any kind of meaningful retaliation to avenge the loss of their leader, then Al Qaeda isn't going to have any credibility left.
I don't think Osama the martyr is going to bring in as many recruits and funding as a living breathing Osama "Defying the West for 10+ Years" bin Laden.
Also, don't forget that Pakistan has nukes and a government being threatened by extremists such as Al Qaeda. A stable Pakistan is in interests of US security.
Exactly what are you trying to say? I am seeing words but little coherency.
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