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Xander Baligo	Posted - 2011.05.03 17:15:00 - [1] Haiti got a PLEX aid Japan got a PLEX aid now the USA gets one too What happened to Australia's PLEX aid? I'm an Australian myself, and I'm offended that we were denied a PLEX aid. I support hte PLEX aids, and will continue to do it. But CCP denied us Australians one. Why? I want answers. I asked CCP Why, they say "Plex aid for Good drives are requested by players and they simply act as the conduit for their requests" http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1446367 Was that not a request? What about the rest of the Australians and others around the world supporting a PLEX aid for Australians? CCP, Answers are needed right now!
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.05.03 17:31:00 - [2] There are many worthy causes out there, they cannot address all of them. I would say the answer you already have is more than sufficient. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Xander Baligo	Posted - 2011.05.03 17:32:00 - [3] And how would that be? They give the money donated to the Red Cross, or so they claim. As pointed out, it's Player Requested. PLEX aid for Australia WAS requested, where the hell was it?
Pete 0 Bear	Posted - 2011.05.03 17:35:00 - [4] suprise, suprise yet another whinging Aussie thread.
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.05.03 17:39:00 - [5] Edited by: Katra Novac on 03/05/2011 17:45:33 Originally by: Xander Baligo Haiti got a PLEX aid Japan got a PLEX aid now the USA gets one too What happened to Australia's PLEX aid? I'm an Australian myself, and I'm offended that we were denied a PLEX aid. I support hte PLEX aids, and will continue to do it. But CCP denied us Australians one. Why? I want answers. I asked CCP Why, they say "Plex aid for Good drives are requested by players and they simply act as the conduit for their requests" http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1446367 Was that not a request? What about the rest of the Australians and others around the world supporting a PLEX aid for Australians? CCP, Answers are needed right now! The answer as I remember it was donate through the Red Cross. So I agree with you maybe they should all be through the Red Cross rather than CCP and PLEX.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.05.03 17:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Xander Baligo And how would that be? They give the money donated to the Red Cross, or so they claim. As pointed out, it's Player Requested. PLEX aid for Australia WAS requested, where the hell was it? CCP responds to player requests in these matters. It would follow that requests for this latest disaster outweighed requests (certainly valid) for Austrailias plight at that time. You'll notice CCP is getting better organized in these matters, and their response time is improving. It could very well be that if this situation were to arise again in the future (depending on what else is going on world wide, and the volume of requests to start a Plex aid drive for the issue) there might indeed be the response you wanted. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.05.03 17:42:00 - [7] Seriously, do you people (by that, I mean Australians) do nothing but whine all the goddamn time on the forums? Because, if I may speak frankly, that is all we seem to hear from you. A problem with DT? An Australian will whine about it. A problem with when patches are rolled out? Yep, an Australian player will produce a whine thread. And now this, about the lack of a Plex for Australia? Check and check. I think it's really, really rich of you to call particular other nationalities "whinging [Poms]", when this sort of crap gets thrown on the forums often enough. Content: Australia doesn't need a PLEX drive - the loss of human life was insignificant compared to the other PLEX drives. It is for that reason as well that I think the American PLEX drive is also a bad idea. -------------- Fix the game's last broken weapon system - support if you care!
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.05.03 17:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Bumblefck Seriously, do you people (by that, I mean Australians) do nothing but whine all the goddamn time on the forums? Because, if I may speak frankly, that is all we seem to hear from you. A problem with DT? An Australian will whine about it. A problem with when patches are rolled out? Yep, an Australian player will produce a whine thread. And now this, about the lack of a Plex for Australia? Check and check. I think it's really, really rich of you to call particular other nationalities "whinging [Poms]", when this sort of crap gets thrown on the forums often enough. Content: Australia doesn't need a PLEX drive - the loss of human life was insignificant compared to the other PLEX drives. It is for that reason as well that I think the American PLEX drive is also a bad idea.
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.03 17:49:00 - [9] Wait, the usa gets a plex appeal?
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.05.03 17:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Katra Novac Edited by: Katra Novac on 03/05/2011 17:48:44 ... post error lol you quoted me and then edited it out. Be bold, man! -------------- Fix the game's last broken weapon system - support if you care!
Xander Baligo	Posted - 2011.05.03 17:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Bumblefck Content: Australia doesn't need a PLEX drive - the loss of human life was insignificant compared to the other PLEX drives. Thats why my best mate and his wife died in Grantham when that whole town was wiped off the face of the earth and now have his kids with me at my mother-in-laws house. Not even my own house because my house went under too!
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.05.03 17:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Bumblefck Originally by: Katra Novac Edited by: Katra Novac on 03/05/2011 17:48:44 ... post error lol you quoted me and then edited it out. Be bold, man! Had a short circuit, hit quote and thought this is not where I want to be, so tried to come out of it and it posted. Hence the error.
Humble EvolPants	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Xander Baligo What happened to Australia's PLEX aid? I ate it. Nom Nom.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Xander Baligo Originally by: Bumblefck Content: Australia doesn't need a PLEX drive - the loss of human life was insignificant compared to the other PLEX drives. Thats why my best mate and his wife died in Grantham when that whole town was wiped off the face of the earth and now have his kids with me at my mother-in-laws house. Not even my own house because my house went under too! While I am sorry on a personal level for the individual human tragedies, compare the losses with what happened in Australia to Haiti and Japan. Big difference. -------------- Fix the game's last broken weapon system - support if you care!
Xander Baligo	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Bumblefck Originally by: Xander Baligo Originally by: Bumblefck Content: Australia doesn't need a PLEX drive - the loss of human life was insignificant compared to the other PLEX drives. Thats why my best mate and his wife died in Grantham when that whole town was wiped off the face of the earth and now have his kids with me at my mother-in-laws house. Not even my own house because my house went under too! While I am sorry on a personal level for the individual human tragedies, compare the losses with what happened in Australia to Haiti and Japan. Big difference. No difference. The death toll in Australia equals that as to what the US claim. Can't use that as an excuse.
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Xander Baligo Originally by: Bumblefck Content: Australia doesn't need a PLEX drive - the loss of human life was insignificant compared to the other PLEX drives. Thats why my best mate and his wife died in Grantham when that whole town was wiped off the face of the earth and now have his kids with me at my mother-in-laws house. Not even my own house because my house went under too! And with all that going on, you found time to come here and complain that CCP weren't giving any PLEX's out to you? Interesting. Your experience sounds horrible but, serious question, what would you see the money go towards? .
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:08:00 - [17] Edited by: Bumblefck on 03/05/2011 18:07:51 Originally by: Xander Baligo No difference. The death toll in Australia equals that as to what the US claim. Can't use that as an excuse. Are you ignorant? Please re-read my first post where I categorically state that "I think PLEX for America is a bad idea" - because the scale of human tragedy is too small. -------------- Fix the game's last broken weapon system - support if you care!
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:12:00 - [18] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 03/05/2011 18:14:46 Originally by: Bumblefck Originally by: Xander Baligo Originally by: Bumblefck Content: Australia doesn't need a PLEX drive - the loss of human life was insignificant compared to the other PLEX drives. Thats why my best mate and his wife died in Grantham when that whole town was wiped off the face of the earth and now have his kids with me at my mother-in-laws house. Not even my own house because my house went under too! While I am sorry on a personal level for the individual human tragedies, compare the losses with what happened in Australia to Haiti and Japan. Big difference. I'm not going to contend that Austrailia was not worthy of a Plex drive, I'm saying that a number of factors are involved. 1: Is there currently a Plex drive on for another issue. 2: Were there sufficient requests for a Plex drive for that issue. 3: Is CCP prepared at that point in time to organize another Plex drive. Yes, obviously need enters into the equation. And there is no doubt that the situation in Austrailia was worthy of a Plex drive, just as was Haiti, Japan, and now the US. People need to understand that need for assistance from the Red Cross has little, if anything, to do with the size or economic situation of the country in question. Governments do not fund the Red Cross. The Red Cross handles situations that governments do not or can not. The Red Cross (and Plex drives) are a way for the private citizens/companies to be able to help on a personal level to provide direct support in addition to or instead of any possible government funded disaster relief efforts. Edit: Final point, it's not all about the death toll. The dead need little in the way of financial support. Need would be determined by the number of devestated survivors in need of assistance, as well as how much damage was done to the basic infrastructure needed to maintain their safety and health. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Xander Baligo	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: Xander Baligo Originally by: Bumblefck Content: Australia doesn't need a PLEX drive - the loss of human life was insignificant compared to the other PLEX drives. Thats why my best mate and his wife died in Grantham when that whole town was wiped off the face of the earth and now have his kids with me at my mother-in-laws house. Not even my own house because my house went under too! And with all that going on, you found time to come here and complain that CCP weren't giving any PLEX's out to you? Interesting. Your experience sounds horrible but, serious question, what would you see the money go towards? Rebuilding is still going on and I would see the money go towards that and a few other things. We have recovered slowly and have core utilities functional again. There are companies that have completely dissapeared including the company I used to work for. Many people are out of work and have no income still. There are people who have families and only earning just enough to get by and now don't have the money to sustain themselves. Some money should go to helping those too. St Vincent De Pauls do food and clothing packages to people like them and have been bombarded and just cannot keep up. They are running out of supples themselves. There are a lot of things I would see the money go to.
Xander Baligo	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:16:00 - [20] 1: Is there currently a Plex drive on for another issue. - No, the PLEX aid prior was months before, There is only a gap of 1 1/2 months between Japan and US PLEX Aids 2: Were there sufficient requests for a Plex drive for that issue. - A number of petitions were filed, requests made on forums and even on CCP's Facebook page. 3: Is CCP prepared at that point in time to organize another Plex drive. - They should have been. They seen what was going on.
Ifly Uwalk Caldari Concentrated Evil	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:19:00 - [21] They have internet down there?
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:23:00 - [22] USA HAS A PLEX APPEAL???!?!?!?!
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Xander Baligo 1: Is there currently a Plex drive on for another issue. - No, the PLEX aid prior was months before, There is only a gap of 1 1/2 months between Japan and US PLEX Aids 2: Were there sufficient requests for a Plex drive for that issue. - A number of petitions were filed, requests made on forums and even on CCP's Facebook page. 3: Is CCP prepared at that point in time to organize another Plex drive. - They should have been. They seen what was going on. 1: As I said in my original post, CCP appears to be getting better organized on these efforts as time goes by. This is a good thing. It is quite possible that AT THAT TIME they were not in a position to launch another one. 2: Neither you nor I know how many requests were filed. There wasn't a great deal of response (although what was there was indeed heartfelt) in the thread you linked. 3: And just why "should they have been"? Being aware of a situation does not magically make things happen. Organizing these Plex drives is not their job, nor is it a responsibility. It's something they do as and when they can, and should be applauded for their efforts... not damned because they can't respond to everyone in need. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:28:00 - [24] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 03/05/2011 18:32:28 Originally by: Joe Phoenix USA HAS A PLEX APPEAL???!?!?!?! Yes Joe, a fair amount of the South was flattened a couple of nights ago by a few hundred tornado's. There was (as these things go) little or no warning. Rescue and recovery efforts are ongoing, and the Red Cross is heavily involved. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:31:00 - [25] Seriously dude, don't have a Stingray through the heart about it. -------------- Fix the game's last broken weapon system - support if you care!
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 03/05/2011 18:32:28 Originally by: Joe Phoenix USA HAS A PLEX APPEAL???!?!?!?! Yes Joe, a fair amount of the South was flattened a couple of nights ago by a few hundred tornado's. There was (as these things go) little or no warning. Rescue and recovery efforts are ongoing, and the Red Cross is heavily involved. They claim to be blessed by god, they can deal with their own damn problems if they are willing to be that stupid.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Joe Phoenix Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 03/05/2011 18:32:28 Originally by: Joe Phoenix USA HAS A PLEX APPEAL???!?!?!?! Yes Joe, a fair amount of the South was flattened a couple of nights ago by a few hundred tornado's. There was (as these things go) little or no warning. Rescue and recovery efforts are ongoing, and the Red Cross is heavily involved. They claim to be blessed by god, they can deal with their own damn problems if they are willing to be that stupid. I never knew that one's IQ caused tornados to spawn on top of you, nor one's faith. You learn something new every day. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Emulsifiers Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.03 18:59:00 - [28] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Joe Phoenix Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 03/05/2011 18:32:28 Originally by: Joe Phoenix USA HAS A PLEX APPEAL???!?!?!?! Yes Joe, a fair amount of the South was flattened a couple of nights ago by a few hundred tornado's. There was (as these things go) little or no warning. Rescue and recovery efforts are ongoing, and the Red Cross is heavily involved. They claim to be blessed by god, they can deal with their own damn problems if they are willing to be that stupid. I never knew that one's IQ caused tornados to spawn on top of you, nor one's faith. You learn something new every day. He is just bitter. Let him be, we can watch him make a fool of himself.
Lanrick	Posted - 2011.05.03 19:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Xander Baligo ...where the hell was it? I think there was a freighter full of PLEX headed your way but it got suicide ganked. Sorry, couldn't help myself. You make a good point, I can't see any reason to not have one for Australia as well beyond that they probably just didn't think about it. I doubt they shut you out on purpose though. I would like to see CCP set up some permanent charities that can be donated too year round like Red Cross and Food for the Poor. Then allow people to pick which one to support and maybe allow for a short text that can be sent with the funds to the charity so they can be earmarked properly. So then you can donate a plex to Red Cross with the instruction "for Australian relief." ------- "The strong are often wrong but the weak are never free."
Holdout	Posted - 2011.05.03 19:17:00 - [30] There should be a PLEX for Canada drive. Canada is constantly under duress from being so close to the morons in the USA.
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.03 19:42:00 - [31] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Joe Phoenix Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 03/05/2011 18:32:28 Originally by: Joe Phoenix USA HAS A PLEX APPEAL???!?!?!?! Yes Joe, a fair amount of the South was flattened a couple of nights ago by a few hundred tornado's. There was (as these things go) little or no warning. Rescue and recovery efforts are ongoing, and the Red Cross is heavily involved. They claim to be blessed by god, they can deal with their own damn problems if they are willing to be that stupid. I never knew that one's IQ caused tornados to spawn on top of you, nor one's faith. You learn something new every day. You seem to not see the correlation between religion and IQ. Besides if a country spends it's time making dumb statements about their unfounded superiority, claiming their the most powerful country on Earth, then you can't expect the world to come to their aid when something bad happens.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.03 19:46:00 - [32] Wait a moment here. Why is there a plex for aid for the richest nation on the planet?
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.05.03 19:46:00 - [33] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 03/05/2011 19:47:09 Quote: Besides if a country spends it's time making dumb statements about their unfounded superiority, claiming their the most powerful country on Earth, then you can't expect the world to come to their aid when something bad happens. You are confusing governments with disaster victims again. Perhaps, in your country, it's the same thing? ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.03 19:50:00 - [34] Originally by: baltec1 Wait a moment here. Why is there a plex for aid for the richest nation on the planet? They lied..
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.03 19:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 03/05/2011 19:47:09 Quote: Besides if a country spends it's time making dumb statements about their unfounded superiority, claiming their the most powerful country on Earth, then you can't expect the world to come to their aid when something bad happens. You are confusing governments with disaster victims again. Perhaps, in your country, it's the same thing? Isn't it the same thing everywhere? Only in my country we don't believe our government.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.03 19:52:00 - [36] Originally by: Joe Phoenix Originally by: baltec1 Wait a moment here. Why is there a plex for aid for the richest nation on the planet? They lied.. I feel betrayed.
Lanrick	Posted - 2011.05.03 19:54:00 - [37] Originally by: baltec1 Wait a moment here. Why is there a plex for aid for the richest nation on the planet? Because our bankers and gov't is busy turning us into a third world country? ... or was it a trick question? ------- "The strong are often wrong but the weak are never free."
Simokon Smegnet Incorporated En Garde	Posted - 2011.05.03 19:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Joe Phoenix You seem to not see the correlation between religion and IQ. Besides if a country spends it's time making dumb statements about their unfounded superiority, claiming their the most powerful country on Earth, then you can't expect the world to come to their aid when something bad happens. Maybe we will tell the rest of the world to go ** it self one day and let you fend for yourselves or let china be the world police we will see how much you will like that *****.
Lanrick	Posted - 2011.05.03 19:58:00 - [39] Originally by: Joe Phoenix Only in my country we don't believe our government. We don't believe our's either. Just take a look at all the different theories surrounding JFK, the moon landing, 9/11, a certain birth certificate and now OBL. ------- "The strong are often wrong but the weak are never free."
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.03 20:01:00 - [40] Originally by: Simokon Originally by: Joe Phoenix You seem to not see the correlation between religion and IQ. Besides if a country spends it's time making dumb statements about their unfounded superiority, claiming their the most powerful country on Earth, then you can't expect the world to come to their aid when something bad happens. Maybe we will tell the rest of the world to go ** it self one day and let you fend for yourselves or let china be the world police we will see how much you will like that *****. What? It's all the world can do to stop the Americans starting WW3!!
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.03 20:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Simokon Originally by: Joe Phoenix You seem to not see the correlation between religion and IQ. Besides if a country spends it's time making dumb statements about their unfounded superiority, claiming their the most powerful country on Earth, then you can't expect the world to come to their aid when something bad happens. Maybe we will tell the rest of the world to go ** it self one day and let you fend for yourselves or let china be the world police we will see how much you will like that *****. The UK will be perfectly fine.
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.03 20:08:00 - [42] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Simokon Originally by: Joe Phoenix You seem to not see the correlation between religion and IQ. Besides if a country spends it's time making dumb statements about their unfounded superiority, claiming their the most powerful country on Earth, then you can't expect the world to come to their aid when something bad happens. Maybe we will tell the rest of the world to go ** it self one day and let you fend for yourselves or let china be the world police we will see how much you will like that ***. The UK will be perfectly fine. We were fine the last 2 times you did fk all.. Might have heard of them, they were called world war 1 and 2? no?
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.03 20:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Joe Phoenix We were fine the last 2 times you did f**k all.. Might have heard of them, they were called world war 1 and 2? no? To be fair they did get involed in the second, even if they were a few years late
RiskyFrisky Under the Table Inc. Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.05.03 20:17:00 - [44] Those snowbirds don't need PLEX. We're America! We can do it ourselves!
Shania Ice	Posted - 2011.05.03 20:27:00 - [45] Originally by: Joe Phoenix You seem to not see the correlation between religion and IQ. So what correlation is this Joe? IQ has no bearing where faith is concerned.
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.03 20:34:00 - [46] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Joe Phoenix We were fine the last 2 times you did f**k all.. Might have heard of them, they were called world war 1 and 2? no? To be fair they did get involed in the second, even if they were a few years late Only when they stopped making money..
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.05.03 21:23:00 - [47] Excellent derailment of the thread by the way. You almost pulled it off without looking totally ignorant. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.03 21:24:00 - [48] Originally by: Ranger 1 Excellent derailment of the thread by the way. You almost pulled it off without looking totally ignorant. We do try.
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.03 21:27:00 - [49] Saying someone is ignorant without proof just makes the accuser ignorant.
Judicator Saturnius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.05.03 21:29:00 - [50] Originally by: baltec1 Wait a moment here. Why is there a plex for aid for the richest nation on the planet? There is a plex drive for China now?
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.03 21:35:00 - [51] Actually China is one of the poorest countries in the world, by population.
Judicator Saturnius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.05.03 21:39:00 - [52] Originally by: Joe Phoenix Actually China is one of the poorest countries in the world, by population. Perhaps a distortionary metric for the largest population on earth?
Holdout	Posted - 2011.05.03 21:39:00 - [53] Originally by: Joe Phoenix Actually China is one of the poorest countries in the world, by population. Sounds like we should donate cyanide capsules instead of PLEX. They are cheaper, and ostensibly more effective in fixing that ratio.
Generals4	Posted - 2011.05.03 21:50:00 - [54] Belgium needs plex aid. We haven't have had a federal government for more than a year, if that doesn't deserve help!
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.05.03 22:03:00 - [55] Originally by: Generals4 Belgium needs plex aid. We haven't have had a federal government for more than a year, if that doesn't deserve help! Some would say that deserves congratulations... ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.03 22:06:00 - [56] Sounds like my kind of place...
Mortania Minmatar No Compromise Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.05.03 22:07:00 - [57] Did something happen in Australia?
Generals4	Posted - 2011.05.03 22:15:00 - [58] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Generals4 Belgium needs plex aid. We haven't have had a federal government for more than a year, if that doesn't deserve help! Some would say that deserves congratulations... I must admit that not having a government does beat having a government filled with incapable imbeciles.
Eternal Noob	Posted - 2011.05.03 22:34:00 - [59] "What happened to Australia's PLEX aid?" Probably b/c like handfuls of world emergencies happened since Australia. And, this is EVE, you'd be luckier that that $$$ found its home on Mars. Literally.
Sir Substance Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.05.03 23:33:00 - [60] I also made a thread asking the same question a while ago OP, and I'm posting this with my main, and signing it with my real name, because I feel strongly about this. This post contains some inflammable material, but I ask that the GM's leave it unaltered, because this is a passionate post, and I mean everything I say here. When I made that thread OP, I got similar responses to you. I reckon I know what the problem is. Most people can't wrap their minds around the scale of the QLD floods. Gotta remember, most people who play eve are from europe, they are used to being able to drive across three countries in the space of two hours. Sure, you can bandy around phrases like: "A single farm the size of Belgium" "Area underwater equal to France and Germany combined" "you could drop the entire UK into the flood zone and not find it for three weeks" "3 days drive to get from one end of the devistation zone to the other" But eurpoeans don't understand size. I reckon that fundamentally, they just don't get it. The Americans do, so do the Canadians. But forget help from europe. Their nations are so small, they can't comprehend national disasters the size of ours, they compare it land % wise and just shrug. And for those who say "the human loss is insignificant", you are sick sorry bastards. During the QLD floods, a 12 year old boy and his 10 year old brother were clinging to a piece of debris while being swept away in the floodwaters. When a helicopter came to rescue them, it could only rescue one of them at a time. The 12 year old insisted they take his little brother first, and by the time they got back to pick him up, he had been swept off and drowned. Think about the kind of situation that pushes a child of 12 to consider his own mortality versus one of his siblings, and knowingly sacrifice himself so his brother can live, and then tell me that the human loss was insignificant. Think about his little brother, who will grow up and live his life with only the vaguest memories of an older brother who chose to die so he could live, before ever really living himself. Imagine the guilt of that memory. Imagine all the lost moments. Do you even have the capacity for that kind of empathy? To those who can read that story and still think the loss was meaningless, I say this: You sick, sorry bastards. I spit on you, and I sincerely, from the bottom of my heart, hope your whole family and everyone you ever loved dies in a minor epidemic, leaving you with not a single person in the world you care about, and when you go to tell people about it, they tell you the loss from that epidemic was insignificant. I hope you find out what it feels like to be that boy. Regards, Tim.
Pete 0 Bear	Posted - 2011.05.03 23:36:00 - [61] Tears from a ninja. Epic. Thread delivers.
Sir Substance Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.05.03 23:47:00 - [62] Edited by: Sir Substance on 03/05/2011 23:48:59 Originally by: Pete 0 Bear Tears from a ninja. Epic. Thread delivers. I cry for real people, who really died, or really lost everyone they knew. Really watched helplessly as their wives and children, their mothers and fathers were torn out of their hands and drowned before their eyes. I am not ashamed of my tears, I show them publicly, because they prove I'm a human being. What do you cry for?
Eternal Noob	Posted - 2011.05.04 02:18:00 - [63] Then you need to cry 100x harder right now for that multiple of people who died in the epic Indonesian tsunami a few years back. What what sort of sick ass guilt are you trying to strum? Should everyone on this planet spend every second of their lives crying?
Kara Sharalien Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.05.04 02:41:00 - [64] Edited by: Kara Sharalien on 04/05/2011 02:42:34 Originally by: Pete 0 Bear Tears from a ninja. Epic. Thread delivers. That's a nice sentiment.
Sir Substance Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.05.04 02:48:00 - [65] Edited by: Sir Substance on 04/05/2011 02:49:32 Originally by: Eternal Noob Then you need to cry 100x harder right now for that multiple of people who died in the epic Indonesian tsunami a few years back. What what sort of sick ass guilt are you trying to strum? Should everyone on this planet spend every second of their lives crying? I'm trying to strum guilt within people who can shrug off human life as if its nothing. All death is a loss, and none of it is irrelevant. Who wouldn't empathize with the victims of the Indonesian tsunami? Many of them probably still haven't rebuilt their lives. Even now, they deserve your sympathy. I'm not trying to strum guilt for donations, I'm strumming guilt for inhumanism. What I don't get is why people see it as such a big deal to run a PLEX drive. Its a volunteer donation. All us aussies were ever asking for was a fair go, like we always do. All we ever wanted was the opportunity. We weren't asking CCP to donate corporate money, or force players to donate. We were just asking for the donation gates to be open, so people could donate if they wanted to. But apparently, that was too much to ask. That PLEX drive might have generated not a single drop of money. While I and my fellow countrymen might have been a bit cut up over that, at least CCP would have given us a fair go. But apparently, we don't deserve that. I'm strumming the guilt that you in particular, Eternal Noob, apparently harbor. I hope I strum it in others as well. The guilt over that uncomfortable feeling you have in the back of your mind that our request was not unreasonable, and that you've (disclaimer: not you personally, necessarily) spent the entire thread, and more then just one thread, telling us our people are worth less then any other person. That the lives of our people, who may well be your people as well, considering Australias multinational culture, are so bereft of value that even the setup of a PLEX drive would a waste of resources. Don't you see how wrong an attitude like that is? I'll tell you this. If I was CCP, I wouldn't be running specific plex drives for specific causes. I'd have a button on the PLEX section of the character sheet labeled "donate". On that page, you could pick any country in the world, and donate money to their relief services at any time, as well as to some well known charities. Wouldn't it be nice if you could send money to the red cross branch in ethiopia, just because you felt like it? Character sheet->Pilot licence ->PLEX for good ->ethiopia Wouldn't it be nice to be able to donate PLEX to medicines sans frontiers whenever you wanted? Character sheet->Pilot licence ->PLEX for good ->MSF It could be that simple. Then everyone could have a fair go. Even those countries that have no eve players whatsoever to champion the flag could benefit. But while CCP does the PLEX for good drives manually, I think any country that suffers a disaster of any size deserves a PLEX for good to be made for them. It costs CCP fiddlesticks to set up, compared to the good it can do.
Eternal Noob	Posted - 2011.05.04 02:52:00 - [66] You are doing none of the above. You are playing Sudden Saint. Because someone else out there is not in paralyzing anguish, you need to show them!! I've met people like you in life and used to feel guilty myself that I was for some reason not in same Hellpit of anguish that you feel I should be in.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.05.04 02:57:00 - [67] Originally by: baltec1 Why is there a plex for aid for the richest nation on the planet? There is no PLEX aid for Germany at this time. Germany is busy bailing out the rest of the EU. Unless you're confused about the USA, which is actually the nation with the highest international debt in the world, which buys everything on credit and never intends to pay back those loans. These guys desperately need every dollar of foreign aid they can get, otherwise the world economy will fall apart. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.05.04 03:01:00 - [68] Originally by: Bumblefck A problem with DT? An Australian will whine about it. A problem with when patches are rolled out? Yep, an Australian player will produce a whine thread. Since both things happen during our evening play time, they impact our gameplay much more than they impact on yours. To simulate playing in Australia, quit EVE for half an hour in the middle of your usual EVE playing time, every day for four weeks. Then every second week, quit EVE for six hours. Whining about people whining, how terribly British of you :P -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Sir Substance Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.05.04 03:01:00 - [69] Whether you choose to dive into a "hellpit of anguish" or not is your own personal decision. I find that dipping your toes in it can be healthy for your interpersonal relationship abilities, and makes you less likely to assume sinister motivations in others without cause. I'm asking for people to think about what they are saying, because what you say affects how you think, and how you think affects what you say. What people are saying here betrays a lot of misplaced hatred, and a severe lack of empathy. You don't have to suffer yourself to truly understand that others are suffering. Real life isn't eve. Noone in Queensland volunteered for a flood. Can you understand that?
Hack Harrison Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.04 03:32:00 - [70] Can't say I am too impressed CCP - while this is a worthy cause, as the OP said, you ignored my request for support for the floods in Queensland, which rapidly escalated with a Category 5 cyclone crossing in the north of Queensland (this is on the same scale as Katrina - Yasi vs Katrina). The floods then continued on into the southern states and people are still effected by this 4 months later. Since this time, places that were flooded before "the flood" (i.e. in late 2010), during the floods have since been re-flooded. So yes - while the Americans DO need some support - it is unfair that CCP is cherry picking who is worthy for this. As a co-worked said though - the U.S. has over 10 times the population - so there are way more potential subscriptions to be earned from their good will... And while many say this is another Australian whine - it is still a valid point of concern that Australia was ignored...
Brannor McThife Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.05.04 04:24:00 - [71] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Joe Phoenix We were fine the last 2 times you did f**k all.. Might have heard of them, they were called world war 1 and 2? no? To be fair they did get involed in the second, even if they were a few years late And didn't they join the war because someone ELSE wanted oil and decided to try take it from them? America and oil... Oh...and on topic...being a resident of Australia, I have learnt, that CCP actually doesn't give a damn about Australia. So it's no surprise really. -G
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.05.04 05:03:00 - [72] Originally by: Hack Harrison So yes - while the Americans DO need some support - it is unfair that CCP is cherry picking who is worthy for this. As a co-worked said though - the U.S. has over 10 times the population - so there are way more potential subscriptions to be earned from their good will... Having 10 times the population means they can lose 10 times as many people without their society as a whole feeling a significant loss. Which means an accident in Australia where 30 people die is equivalent in impact to a disaster in the USA where 300 people die. Since only 15 people are officially dead (with a few dozen still missing) as a result of the 2011 floods, that only counts as a USA incident involving 150 people. Thus the floods in Australia have left us with about half the "social impact" of the tornadoes in the USA. It's also worth noting that the floods in Queensland were the biggest since 1972, while the tornado outbreak in the USA was the worst since about 1936. So in one case, Queensland was dealing with a "30 year flood" while the USA was dealing with a 75-year event. The situation in the USA is more damaging than the floods in Queensland. The scale of the disasters has no relevance, since much of the damage done in Queensland was to floodways, waterways and uninhabited land. The damage done in the USA was to populated areas - mainly because there are so many people there it's hard for some disaster to happen and not kill someone. In the meantime, I'm saving my whining for the 15 minutes of downtime a night, since I have to eat my dinner even faster than I used to. My indigestion is killing me. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Brannor McThife Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.05.04 05:22:00 - [73] Originally by: Mara Rinn In the meantime, I'm saving my whining for the 15 30 45 minutes of downtime a night... FYP.
Generals4	Posted - 2011.05.04 08:22:00 - [74] Actually, there are countries going through much worse **** every day. What about those. Let's be serious for a second, what about Afghans who went through war and terrorism for years? Iraqi ? What about African countries where people starve every day? No Western countries is ever going to need aid as badly as those. I don't think it's a matter of deserving it or not, but deserving it more or not. This said, aiding the US is better than aiding nothing so for me it's still a thumbs up. And lastly: CCP has to cherry pick. They can't possibly hand over aid to everyone who needs it. That's simply impossible. Just like people can't possibly empathize with everyone. There is just too much **** going on in the world for people to worry about it all. If you do you'll most likely end up needing some "prozac"
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2011.05.04 08:49:00 - [75] Which charities CCP decide to donate to is no business of anyoneÆs. If you don't agree with their choice, then don't donate... simple. If they don't pick a charity that you want to donate too, rather than crying on the forum, you could try simply donating to that charity yourself. Quit your ***ing and be thankful that CCP is donating money around the world for many worthy causes. ------------------------ Jint Hikaru** - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.05.04 09:12:00 - [76] We need PLEX for Biblebelt because they're going to need to buy a LOT of Humble Pie and bags of Shut The **** Up come May 22nd.

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