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Mad Moose	Posted - 2005.02.10 21:32:00 - [1] Almost all posts I have seen on HACs are either on amarr or gallente. Zealot - ganks Sacrileage - tanks Deimos - PvP king Ishtar - Dronetanker Or themes around this. Dont the Caldari and Mimmatar HACs have any good setups? Havent really started with PvP yet and thinking of gettin a HAC for some pimped out mission running. Enjoying the Enyo atm and find rails quite good. Considering going for the Eagle. Does anyone have suggestions for me?
Dirtball	Posted - 2005.02.10 21:36:00 - [2] The Vagabond is the fastest, which goes for something, not as much as it wouldv'e before they got rid of the dual mwd/afterburner combo. The Muninn is a fleet machine right now, cause it can take out enemy tacklers with ease (only know cause I was on receiving end) and it tanks lasers the best.
Zipoldy	Posted - 2005.02.10 21:42:00 - [3] Vagabond is nice with a few T2 650mm guns and approriate ammo 30+km range and speed 1200+m/s with just 1 AB... Not to shabby... might not be the best but still good... Zip
Baun	Posted - 2005.02.10 22:12:00 - [4] Munnin- Extreme firepower and very nice defense Vagabond- Speed + decent firepower + nice defense Cerberus- Does a surprising amount of damage, even at range Eagle- meh I don't like this ship. It has good range and decent defense but its damage is just very underwhelming. A deimos is really overrated btw. Sure it does alot of damage but it is highly at risk. Overall I think that the Munnin is a more useful ship than the deimos. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Mad Moose	Posted - 2005.02.10 22:12:00 - [5] Does anyone know weather t2 drones will come any time soon? or any other dronechanges for that matter. This will perhaps make the ishtar a truly awesome ship. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary, and those who dont.
Selim	Posted - 2005.02.10 22:56:00 - [6] I do think both the Caldari and Minmatar ones got shafted. The Vagabond doesn't do enough damage to justify its pitiful tank, and the Muninn doesn't tank good at all which seems to be its apparent use as well as a heavy gunboat. The Eagle tanks pretty good and has its use as a long range sniper, thats all good, but the Cerberus ... I dunno. It seems better off than the Vagabond since it can tank better but its certainly not up to par with the amarr or gallente ones.
Meridius	Posted - 2005.02.11 00:00:00 - [7] The Sacrilege is really good...for your friends to test damage on you. Thats about it, i just don't see how it can be effective in pvp when you look at the hefty price tag it comes with. ________________________________________________________
Nafri	Posted - 2005.02.11 00:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Meridius The Sacrilege is really good...for your friends to test damage on you. Thats about it, i just don't see how it can be effective in pvp when you look at the hefty price tag it comes with. heard its the best tank ingame well, im decided to train for matari tech2 now sincce there is no use for tech2 blasters, no need to train medium tech 2 blasters, so no need to train for deimos Wanna fly with me?
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.02.11 01:17:00 - [9] Cerebrus has 100+ km range with Heavy missiles
Gripen	Posted - 2005.02.11 01:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Zipoldy Vagabond is nice with a few T2 650mm guns and approriate ammo 30+km range and speed 1200+m/s with just 1 AB... Not to shabby... might not be the best but still good... Zip With AB Vagabond speed is less than 1km/s because his mass is 15000000 and not 10000000 as stated on eve-i.com

Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.02.11 01:29:00 - [11] All ABs and MWDs add lots of mass to the ship, but to make up for it, they generate more force. There are no 1mn, 10mn and 100mn anymore, there are 1.5mn, 15mn and 150mns The name needs to change
Meridius	Posted - 2005.02.11 02:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Meridius The Sacrilege is really good...for your friends to test damage on you. Thats about it, i just don't see how it can be effective in pvp when you look at the hefty price tag it comes with. heard its the best tank ingame Yes it's a great tank. Please tell me what that does tho? You want to spend 65mil to absorb damage ________________________________________________________
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.02.11 02:16:00 - [13] Sacrilige could make a nice decoy. Cause, HACs are primary targets, BS 2nd. You could make a super tanked Sacrilige with would draw enemy fire, giving your team mates up to a minute of valuable time
Meridius	Posted - 2005.02.11 02:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Face Lifter Sacrilige could make a nice decoy. Cause, HACs are primary targets, BS 2nd. You could make a super tanked Sacrilige with would draw enemy fire, giving your team mates up to a minute of valuable time If enemy is more then 1 battleship then you're dead. GJ 65mil decoy ________________________________________________________
Weirda	Posted - 2005.02.11 02:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Face Lifter Sacrilige could make a nice decoy. Cause, HACs are primary targets, BS 2nd. You could make a super tanked Sacrilige with would draw enemy fire, giving your team mates up to a minute of valuable time If enemy is more then 1 battleship then you're dead. GJ 65mil decoy It sounds like Merdius would prefer the Vagabond! Woot - Weirda made the right choice!!!! Vagabond rocks... Selim is just the Matari flying version of Merdius... (damn galliente) -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Baun	Posted - 2005.02.11 03:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Meridius The Sacrilege is really good...for your friends to test damage on you. Thats about it, i just don't see how it can be effective in pvp when you look at the hefty price tag it comes with. Don't forget that its blue. Never forget that :P The Enemy's Gate is Down
Hyey	Posted - 2005.02.11 04:54:00 - [17] According to bonuses given to minmatars and such, CCP seems to want to shield tank them, however they have one seriously STUPID issue with this. How do you shield tank a muninn with 3 mid slots, why is it that the ONLY race with any amount of midslots is caldari? Its a waste, just give me an armor rep bonus on my cyclone instead please :/ The muninn id say is a born shield tanker, it just has the attributes for it, except for the 3 mid slots, but just forget that fact ~~ Hyey I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
Selim	Posted - 2005.02.11 06:18:00 - [18] I'm not the minmatar Jim Raynor?
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.02.11 06:26:00 - [19] Originally by: Selim I'm not the minmatar Jim Raynor? plz ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.02.11 07:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Mad Moose Almost all posts I have seen on HACs are either on amarr or gallente. Zealot - ganks Sacrileage - tanks Deimos - PvP king Ishtar - Dronetanker Or themes around this. Dont the Caldari and Mimmatar HACs have any good setups? Havent really started with PvP yet and thinking of gettin a HAC for some pimped out mission running. Enjoying the Enyo atm and find rails quite good. Considering going for the Eagle. Does anyone have suggestions for me? I cant say I know anything about the Minm HAC's really but I see nothing wrong with the Caldari ones. Ive got a m8 in an eagle and the ship is great for NPC's ... And as for the Cerb, Well I dont like it simply on the grounds its ugly But the RoF and range that it kicks out heavy missiles is damn impressive. Does anyone actually use an eagle for pVp ? I cant say ive actually seen any Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'

Gariuys	Posted - 2005.02.11 09:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Selim I'm not the minmatar Jim Raynor? Lol, nice joke, and no since he actually knows what he's talking about. You're more a gallente Meridius. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Marcus Alkhaar	Posted - 2005.02.11 10:50:00 - [22] Cerberus: Only non-BS in game that can shoot 104 km with full damage output just fit a MWD and you will never get into your openents range..... just get some CONCORD heavy launchers (13,5 sec RoF, with max skills its 6,75 sec..... that hurts) Just get a frig scrambling your enemy... and boom.... now blame me for being wrong,
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2005.02.11 11:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Gripen Originally by: Zipoldy Vagabond is nice with a few T2 650mm guns and approriate ammo 30+km range and speed 1200+m/s with just 1 AB... Not to shabby... might not be the best but still good... Zip With AB Vagabond speed is less than 1km/s because his mass is 15000000 and not 10000000 as stated on eve-i.com While you are right, it isn't 1200m/s (more like 900) with an AB, the ships mass is 10,000,000 its just that since the AB changes, using a cruiser one increases your mass by 5,000,000 (the AB gives 15,000,000 thrust however) . ----- Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.02.11 11:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Zipoldy Vagabond is nice with a few T2 650mm guns and approriate ammo 30+km range and speed 1200+m/s with just 1 AB... Not to shabby... might not be the best but still good... Zip ....why not T2 425's? ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
baagpus	Posted - 2005.02.11 11:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Meridius The Sacrilege is really good...for your friends to test damage on you. Thats about it, i just don't see how it can be effective in pvp when you look at the hefty price tag it comes with. Stick a warp distruptor on it and go hunting with a mate who's a damage dealer, then see what use you can find for it in pvp
Chee	Posted - 2005.02.11 12:09:00 - [26] One word: specialisation. The minmatar HAC have great resist against lasers, so I suggest you play it to its strength. And since the laser is a very popular weapon and geddons all over the place, it comes in good use. I can tank a geddon long enough to get up close with the speed on my vagabond (tho mwd seriously cripples it, rather fit an Ab and tank longer) Its not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
Thorne Semperti	Posted - 2005.02.11 13:11:00 - [27] Whoever mentioned specialisation all of a whole post before got it bang on. I've flown both the Vagabond and Muninn (although the Vaga lasted about a whole day before i got ganked by 13 ships outside Yulai), and the Muninn (for lack of experience with Vagabond) is a very, very good ship. You just have to set it up for what it is meant for - fighting Amarr ships. I've tested the muninn against both a ganked up prophecy and a gankageddon and the tank that the muninn can support could cope with both of them. Easily. The prophecy was in all honesty more of a threat, just because it was firing missiles and using drones that weren't doing em and thermal damage. It's all about the setup, you wouldn't use an EW frigate for anything other than tackling/jamming, and you wouldn't fit a Tempest with lasers, so why would you use your Muninn in a role that it is not specialised for? That said, you can fit your Muninn up for general combat and still have a damn hefty tank, but if you've got intel on an incoming geddon, and there's a Muninn waiting at the next gate, I know which ship I'd rather be sitting in. Thorne
Tsietisin	Posted - 2005.02.11 13:49:00 - [28] Edited by: Tsietisin on 11/02/2005 13:54:44 Originally by: Thorne Semperti Whoever mentioned specialisation all of a whole post before got it bang on. I've flown both the Vagabond and Muninn (although the Vaga lasted about a whole day before i got ganked by 13 ships outside Yulai), and the Muninn (for lack of experience with Vagabond) is a very, very good ship. You just have to set it up for what it is meant for - fighting Amarr ships. I've tested the muninn against both a ganked up prophecy and a gankageddon and the tank that the muninn can support could cope with both of them. Easily. The prophecy was in all honesty more of a threat, just because it was firing missiles and using drones that weren't doing em and thermal damage. It's all about the setup, you wouldn't use an EW frigate for anything other than tackling/jamming, and you wouldn't fit a Tempest with lasers, so why would you use your Muninn in a role that it is not specialised for? That said, you can fit your Muninn up for general combat and still have a damn hefty tank, but if you've got intel on an incoming geddon, and there's a Muninn waiting at the next gate, I know which ship I'd rather be sitting in. Thorne Must have been a really n00b geddon pilot, no way a stationary Muninn can tank a Gankageddon. Only choice is to orbit at 10-15 and he can't hit you. If, as you say, you could tank the damage output how do you propose to sustain that tank? You have 3 med slots, assuming you fit a large tech 2 booster, for pvp it is unlikely you will fill those remaining mid slots with cap chargers, and even ith 5 pdu2s you can't sustain that large booster for long. The muniin is a HORRIBLE tank.
Alenas	Posted - 2005.02.11 13:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Tsietisin Must have been a really n00b geddon pilot, no way a Muninn can stand up to a Gankageddon. If, as you say, you could tank the damage output how do you propose to sustain that tank? You have 3 med slots, assuming you fit a large tech 2 booster, for pvp it is unlikely you will fill those remaining mid slots with cap chargers, and even ith 5 pdu2s you can't sustain that large booster for long. The muniin is a HORRIBLE tank.[/quote The Muninn is an armour tank not a shield tank. It looks like it can be tanked very nicely. --
Thorne Semperti	Posted - 2005.02.11 13:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Tsietisin Originally by: Thorne Semperti Whoever mentioned specialisation all of a whole post before got it bang on. I've flown both the Vagabond and Muninn (although the Vaga lasted about a whole day before i got ganked by 13 ships outside Yulai), and the Muninn (for lack of experience with Vagabond) is a very, very good ship. You just have to set it up for what it is meant for - fighting Amarr ships. I've tested the muninn against both a ganked up prophecy and a gankageddon and the tank that the muninn can support could cope with both of them. Easily. The prophecy was in all honesty more of a threat, just because it was firing missiles and using drones that weren't doing em and thermal damage. It's all about the setup, you wouldn't use an EW frigate for anything other than tackling/jamming, and you wouldn't fit a Tempest with lasers, so why would you use your Muninn in a role that it is not specialised for? That said, you can fit your Muninn up for general combat and still have a damn hefty tank, but if you've got intel on an incoming geddon, and there's a Muninn waiting at the next gate, I know which ship I'd rather be sitting in. Thorne Must have been a really n00b geddon pilot, no way a Muninn can stand up to a Gankageddon. If, as you say, you could tank the damage output how do you propose to sustain that tank? You have 3 med slots, assuming you fit a large tech 2 booster, for pvp it is unlikely you will fill those remaining mid slots with cap chargers, and even ith 5 pdu2s you can't sustain that large booster for long. The muniin is a HORRIBLE tank. I was armour tanking... sorry, should have been clearer on that.



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