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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.02.24 23:25:00 -
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 Originally by: MECHcore
i know that guy Jim Raynor and he sucks to ...
sounds like fightin' words to me, perhaps you should unblock me ingame coward? :)
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.02.24 23:26:00 -
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Cap recharge needs to be lowered on Cerberus, Vagabond and Ishtar. Actually screw the ishtar, that ship is insane, and it even has 10 mid/lows unlike all the others with 9 and the Muninn with 8.
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.02.24 23:36:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: MECHcore
i know that guy Jim Raynor and he sucks to ...
sounds like fightin' words to me, perhaps you should unblock me ingame coward? :)
why should i unblock you ??? , to hear ur kiddy craptalk ?
maybe you dont know it yet , but they made that block option so i can block sick people like you.
and the best thing is .. u can do nothing about it 
btw : my apologizes to other people for my language , but i could not take those insults anymore .
..let the thread continue 
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.02.24 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Eyeshadow on 24/02/2005 23:46:10
Originally by: Bad'Boy
and dont forget 90km range drones got
erm not quite. with maxed skills its 70km, but still pretty sweet and yes, the setups for the ishtar are limitless
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.02.25 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Edited by: Eyeshadow on 24/02/2005 23:46:10
Originally by: Bad'Boy
and dont forget 90km range drones got
erm not quite. with maxed skills its 70km, but still pretty sweet and yes, the setups for the ishtar are limitless
Wouldn't want those drones to stray away too far, if they get ganked, there goes your only offense
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DarK
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Posted - 2005.02.25 04:47:00 -
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MECHcore, silence for a change about the Eagle. It is not that great damage wise.
"OMG those who think the eagle is **** are mistaken HAHA! For I the uber MECHcore can wtfpwn all with my eagle OMGLOL! YOU SHOULDN't underestimate the eagle ho ho!"
stfu.
Also, learn to use some bloody capital letters.
As Jim Raynor said in his post, hybrids and missiles need love. Range is all well and good, but when my target can simply warp out, what good is that range?
The only thing the Eagle is good for is to snipe frigs.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.02.25 06:11:00 -
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Eagle CAN tank like hell though, its the best tank apart from the Sacrilege.
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Mr Duderstadt
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Posted - 2005.02.25 08:22:00 -
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I'm relatively new to the game, so this might seem to be a stupid question, but why exactly would fitting blasters on an Eagle - or Moa, for that matter - be such a bad idea?
Heavy Neutron Blaster IIs are cheaper to fit in terms of grid and CPU than 250mm Rail IIs, and use less cap per shot to boot.
I would think that the insane range bonuses for the Eagle would make blasters an attractive option. Notably, the optimal for blasters is about doubled, and they have better tracking and damage than rails.
With high gunnery skills, you should be able to get an optimal somewhere just outside of heavy NOS range. So, what am I missing here?
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Phades
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Posted - 2005.02.25 12:06:00 -
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You are missing the range penalty for the antimatter ammo to be used to make the gun do more damage than a rail gun loaded with antimatter. Yes with lighter ammo you could get decent range, but there wouldnt be much point to using a blaster in that instance other than better tracking.
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Core Bash
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Posted - 2005.02.25 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: DarK
MECHcore, silence for a change about the Eagle. It is not that great damage wise.
"OMG those who think the eagle is **** are mistaken HAHA! For I the uber MECHcore can wtfpwn all with my eagle OMGLOL! YOU SHOULDN't underestimate the eagle ho ho!"
stfu.
Also, learn to use some bloody capital letters.
I remember fighting you during our empire war with STK. You were in a dual MWD'ed Scorpion. 
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.02.25 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: MECHcore on 25/02/2005 14:38:08
Originally by: DarK
"OMG those who think the eagle is **** are mistaken HAHA! For I the uber MECHcore can wtfpwn all with my eagle OMGLOL! YOU SHOULDN't underestimate the eagle ho ho!"
stfu.
Also, learn to use some bloody capital letters.
What is wrong with you ??
But you are right about those capital letters
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DarK
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Posted - 2005.02.25 16:03:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Core Bash
Originally by: DarK
MECHcore, silence for a change about the Eagle. It is not that great damage wise.
"OMG those who think the eagle is **** are mistaken HAHA! For I the uber MECHcore can wtfpwn all with my eagle OMGLOL! YOU SHOULDN't underestimate the eagle ho ho!"
stfu.
Also, learn to use some bloody capital letters.
I remember fighting you during our empire war with STK. You were in a dual MWD'ed Scorpion.
No sorry, wasn't me. I didn't fly dual mwd during PVP. I was in XF not CA remember?:P
MECHcore, don't be stupid:) Eagle is a decent ship, but it doesn't do enough damage to be able to take out a bs with a tank, yet you still claim it is the best ship ever?
What is wrong with me? what is wrong with you is a better question?:P
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.02.25 17:01:00 -
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The problem with an Eagle is that, while for a cruiser it has superb range, that range is easily achievable for a Battleship. Which will always result in a dead Eagle.
/Elve
New Video out! Watch me!
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.02.25 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Selim on 25/02/2005 17:56:32
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
The problem with an Eagle is that, while for a cruiser it has superb range, that range is easily achievable for a Battleship. Which will always result in a dead Eagle.
Only for one with long range guns, though. And as I said, the eagle is a mean tank, so it can take whatever most long-range setups can dish out. Since its long range it doesn't have to deal with raven torp-spam that kills everything else, either. I think the eagle is pretty damn good for a super-long range cruiser. It needs to bring a friend close-range to warp scramble and such, but thats how it is with any long range ship.
That said, I wouldn't get one. Its probably a great support ship but I'd rather get in close and slam my enemies to death. But its definitely better off than the cerberus...
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Cuebick
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Posted - 2005.02.25 18:14:00 -
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/me tucks his Eagle's and Cerberus's ears!
YOU **** I **** CALDARI ***** YES *********** !!!11111!11!
*Doesen't listen to any of them*
Eagles are good, eagles are good, eagles are good.. *shiver*
MUST GET CLEAN! CLEAN! 
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.02.25 21:45:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Cuebick
/me tucks his Eagle's and Cerberus's ears!
YOU **** I **** CALDARI ***** YES *********** !!!11111!11!
*Doesen't listen to any of them*
Eagles are good, eagles are good, eagles are good.. *shiver*
MUST GET CLEAN! CLEAN!
-.-;
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.02.26 00:50:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Selim
Edited by: Selim on 25/02/2005 17:56:32
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
The problem with an Eagle is that, while for a cruiser it has superb range, that range is easily achievable for a Battleship. Which will always result in a dead Eagle.
Only for one with long range guns, though. And as I said, the eagle is a mean tank, so it can take whatever most long-range setups can dish out. Since its long range it doesn't have to deal with raven torp-spam that kills everything else, either. I think the eagle is pretty damn good for a super-long range cruiser. It needs to bring a friend close-range to warp scramble and such, but thats how it is with any long range ship.
That said, I wouldn't get one. Its probably a great support ship but I'd rather get in close and slam my enemies to death. But its definitely better off than the cerberus...
megapulse > eagle
Wanna fly with me?
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.02.26 01:20:00 -
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megapulse > all 
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Derran
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Posted - 2005.02.26 03:34:00 -
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I have actually flown both the Caldari HACs and the Minmatar HACs. I ditched the Minmatar ones mostly because projectiles still suck. I still can't hit a damn thing with the projectiles that is my size or smaller. I have to rely on missiles for that. That being said, I have both the Eagle and Cerberus and I do have to say the Eagle needs work. The range bonus doesn't really count for much on it if you ask me. I have a feeling it wouldn't beat a Cerberus one on one. I do use a Cerberus consistantly and I love it. I use it for my L3 missions to just speed through them in a couple of minutes. I have also used it in PvP very well. For example, I arrived on the scene of a battle where there were 3 ships left over from 5 and finished off a Zealot that had no shields left while also dealing with the Sacriledge and Caracal, and my Cerberus survived. I brought both the Zealot and the Caracal down and the Sacriledge ran away when my reinforcements finally arrived, but only because I couldn't stop it from escaping since my cap was drained from my mods and from being drained. Thankfully missiles don't use cap so I was able to fight on while I was getting drained by the Sacriledge. I actually thought I was dead for sure when I arrived at the battle alone and I saw a Sacriledge, Zealot and Caracal there.
The Caldari ones may see a shift in their power considerably if the EW changes work out well due the amount of med slots they have.
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Cracken
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Posted - 2005.02.26 06:10:00 -
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you could improve the eagle by increasing it's hybrid damage bonus per lvl it's designed as a sniper ship so give it the devastating damage it should have.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2005.02.26 10:28:00 -
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i told pall i wouldnt whine or anything, but just so you all know, a munnin in capable hands can put out over 700 DPS. btw. munnin is superior to a deimos in nearly every way. Muninn ROCKS. i wish i had trained minmatar skills. |
Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2005.02.26 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: MECHcore
sry i cant edit anymore ( to late )
but i wanted to show Arbenowskee my setup when i join a gang.
my eagle setup for joining a gang is mostly like this ...
HI:
-2x heavy arbalest launchers
-4x 250mm tech II rails
MED:
-1x L tech II shield booster
-1x photon scattering field ( 50% vs EM )
-1x shieldboost amp ( or aditional em hardener )
-1x med capacitor battery tech II
-1x cap rech II or eutetic cap rech is also fine
LOW:
-4x PDU tech II
this is my pvp setup when i join a gang
u probably notice that i dont use ab or mwd.
( mwd screws ur cap and shield , and we cant afford that in battle right ? )
with the use of instas and keeping up with ur gang , then u dont really need mwd or ab.
if u like to use mwd or ab , then replace the EM hardener or shieldboost amp with mwd or ab.
i tryed tech II neutron blasters on the eagle and with uranium u can hit up to 15km distance.
i filled them with the useless iron ammo and i could hit at 20km with my blasters
i have now 90% optimal range ship bonus + 20% aditional from my skills wich gives me a nice 110% to optimal range 
im flying my eagle for 3months now , and still much things to discover .
u killed a scorp with this setup? i used 4x mag stabs II, 250mm tech II rails with AM ammo and dmg output sucked (i have HAC skill lvl 4, med rail spec. lvl 4 and all other gunnery skills lvl 4 or 5). So how long did it take for u to kill that scorp, cause i really don't belive it.
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Synaig0
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Posted - 2005.02.26 13:43:00 -
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Well he didnt say he shot down zarq *solo*
Anyways as mucho peoples have said, railguns really really suck. Eagle sure has some nice range bonuses, but no bonus ever is gonna pull the railgun from the slump it is now.
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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2005.02.26 14:22:00 -
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you either do enough dot to overcome a tank or you do not...
quite simple...
this makes an eagle rather crappy since the dot isnt quite what you are wishing for...
anyway I dont consider the rails carppy...
what I blame is the tanking system itself...
there is only one choice imo and that is to stop the dot race... so hows that possible???
well since weapons shoot and do dmg over time, there is no way to change that...
so lets assume we change tanking...
just think about if we wouldnt have armor reps or shield boosters at all but multiply the hps tenfold...
this would mean no matter your dot you have always the chance to kill even the hardest tank its only a matter of time... so less dot means you need to shoot him longer while more dot means you need less time to kill him...
right now low dot means you cant do **** at all since even shooting for a few days at that tank wont breakt it...
btw... i wouldnt actually remove the armor reps and shield boosters just really think about if those mods would be changed... (a radical hp boost would be involved)
it would mean an eagle has always the possibilty to kill a BS however it just needs longer as compared to a deimos or zealot...
end the dot race...
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.02.26 15:16:00 -
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mhh what about activating your Armor repars makes you loose all your target locks?
then you would need to switch from tanking to killing
or just make then like hull repairs
Wanna fly with me?
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Rak'Kabal Kain
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Posted - 2005.02.26 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Rak'Kabal Kain on 26/02/2005 17:50:08
2005.02.26 16:33:00
Victim: Ligthning Jack
Corporation: JUDGE DREAD Inc.
Destroyed Type: Apocalypse
Solar System: Nonni
System Security Level: 0.5
Involved parties:
Name: Rak'Kabal Kain (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -1.6
Corporation: Thukker Corsairs
Ship Type: Vagabond
Weapon Type: (--4 me to know--)
vaga 4 teh w1n
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.02.26 21:04:00 -
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Minnie ones are great against amarr, but not much else really.
I'm sticking to my belief that the Ishtar is way overpowered, the Deimos is overpowered, the caldari ones need their tech 2 missiles and stuff, cerberus needs a 6th med and the Vagabond needs a 5th medslot.
That way all the modified tier 2's will have 10 mid+lows, while the rest will have 9 except the muninn with 8.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2005.02.26 21:22:00 -
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Selim, get a brain, please. If the deimos is overpowered, the muninn is even MORESO. First, look at the stats, and then the bonuses, deimos has 2 damage bonuses, muninn has a damage and a rof bonus. Vulcans do about 5 less dps base than a medium ion (while having much easier fitting requirements a much better range, and dont use cap) then look, the muninn can fit 5 of these, and then 2 heavy launchers on top of that, while filling its low with damage mods. The muninn outdamages the deimos, is faster than the deimos, has a smaller sig radius than the deimos, has more powergrid, and CPU, has only 100 less cap (which your guns using no energy makes up for) has an 7 high slots that can ALL be utilized (unlike the deimos 6 and only 5 turret points) but anyways, im not whining, i am just ****ed i didnt train for muninn. But you saying the minmatar are good for nothing but going against amarr or whatever is just pure ignorance, and i tend to see that a lot in your posting. |
Selim
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Posted - 2005.02.26 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Selim on 26/02/2005 21:59:22
Edited by: Selim on 26/02/2005 21:43:15
Thats funny because last time I checked, a thorax far outdamaged a rupture, and the muninn has the same damage bonuses as a rupture while a deimos has 2 damage bonuses.
Likewise, the Deimos is far better of a tank.
by the way, a 425mm II does 22 dps on a muninn with only the ship bonuses, Heavy Ion II does 28 dps. Don't say you can't fit heavy ions, you can if you dont have a tank, and you can't tank with 425s on a muninn either. You'll tank alot worse than a deimos anyway.
Don't give me the crap about the guns using cap. Deimos has an insane amount of cap recharge, and it uses armor tanking which is miles better than shield tanking except for battleships, where there is no x-large repairer.
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Cuebick
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Posted - 2005.02.27 01:02:00 -
[180]
Originally by: MECHcore
Originally by: Cuebick
/me tucks his Eagle's and Cerberus's ears!
YOU **** I **** CALDARI ***** YES *********** !!!11111!11!
*Doesen't listen to any of them*
Eagles are good, eagles are good, eagles are good.. *shiver*
MUST GET CLEAN! CLEAN!
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Please.. don't be so narrowminded and allow some humor to flow .. I like my Eagle VERY much, I like my Cerberus as well.. though it needs something extra!
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