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Im Super Gay
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Jumpbridges were an original part of the little things, far before we got the go-ahead for a 0.0 review. They're also really time sensitive (need time to reconfigure the networks). It also functions independently, compared to many other larger changes.
Announce this 1 week before the winter patches then
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Alice Katsuko on 10/05/2011 23:40:59
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Sister Bliss
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We'll be looking at 0.0 this winter. We're hammering down the principles we'll work by as we speak, and they're being reviewed by the CSM. Once they've had their chance to give feedback in person (later this month), I'll happily post the groundwork for everyone to see. From there on, detailed designwork and implementation.
What the **** have you been doing for the past 18 months? No, I mean seriously.
Incursions and little things.
Is this where we learn that you spent 72,000 man-hours making slightly lighter icons for BPCs?
The complaint is not so much about the nerf to jump bridges, but that all we've seen so far are haphazard nerfs which make null-security space less desirable to live in. Aside from vague promises about making unspecified improvements to nullsec in the future, we've seen virtually no attempts at making life in nullsec better or easier. Even small changes such as decoupling jump bridge and POS passwords seems to be too much to ask.
Considering the terrible track record CCP has accumulated regarding fulfilling promises, I hope you understand that most of us would drink battery acid before trusting you to actually deliver on all that nice content like revamped starbases and improved sovereignty mechanics.
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StuRyan
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Levarr Burton
Originally by: Weaselior
Could you comment on the reasoning behind nerfing 0.0 now, and then revamping it "later" rather than a coherent overall change that makes sense and addresses the region in a unified way - instead of this "make bad change, promise fix in six months", especially given CCP's extremely bad record on delivering things promised in advance.
Skipping a dozen or so pages here, but I would like to see this answered. CCP has, frankly, a horrible track record when it comes to feature iteration. FW is crap, PI was pushed out the door both behind schedule and under finished, the Dominion Sovereignty updates were never completely implemented, T3s haven't been fully implemented (lol still can't refit @ POS), Lowsec is still waiting for a reason to exist, Incarna has been on the way for at least 4 years, new ship skins started rolling out last year, and so far we have 5 that I'm aware of, POSes still suck, etc. Hearing "later" from CCP has a long history of meaning "we'll never get around to that."
Regardless of the concrete pros and cons surrounding the impending nerf, it is simply irresponsible to make such a drastic change so suddenly (not enough notice to even remap existing networks). It is especially irresponsible when not only are the changes which are supposed to offset the nerf and provide incentive to once again live in 0.0 sov space not ready for prime time, but there are no concrete ideas about what such a buff should entail, how it will be implemented or when, if at all, we will see the nullsec buff(s). "9 months" will likely get pushed closer to a year (at CCP's rate, 15 years before all the mechanics are implemented and function properly) where sovereign null security space will be less lucrative than highsec without having any concrete advantages of accomplishing the feat of motivating and organizing hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals to work towards a common goal.
Saying "we should have mini-objectives, and hopefully we will" is bullhit. It's saying "we have no plan to make sovereign 0.0 space a viable and desirable place to live, but we might think of something, sometime, maybe."
As for 0.0 being "stale" and not having "enough PvP," I'm going to once again call bull****. The largest war in EVE's history is currently playing out between the DRF & associated groups and the NC/CF/BFFs. On top of that, billions of isk worth of ships are killed every week in nearly every inhabited nullsec region. Anyone who can't find PvP simply isn't trying.
All in all, regardless of my opinion on this change, I get the feeling that CCP either has a master plan for the game which they will implement without any consideration of its actual effect on the player base, or they have no good plan and are willing to throw any half-assed idea onto TQ without proper vetting and testing and, once again, no consideration or understanding of its actual effect on the population in the affected areas. Either way, it is disheartening.
On top of that, there are dozens of pieces of unfinished business which ought to be higher on the priority list than tweaking nullsec logistics. Like taking care of that backlog of issues which remove all credibility of the "this winter" "9 months" and "soon" statements. Frankly, with CCP's track record of feature implementation, 0.0 grunt-level players in sov space have just been dealt a kick in the teeth, and there is no guarantee that any improvement will ever materialize. There is even less hope that any "improvement" will be functional on delivery, or within a reasonable time-frame of that delivery.
I can only assume they think it will cause conflict..... I remember reading that before, when was that?????? OH about 5 weeks ago!
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Giselle Garner
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Giselle Garner on 10/05/2011 23:40:54
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
The secret is Farming LP in faction war since nobody actually plays it anymore. Busted.
I was being ironic as saying it "the secret". All the pleople know it. However, missioners don't want to come. And 0.0 think that's coward task (as all missioning tasks) and won't come. And about no one playing anymore, better for me. Don't you think?
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Cellistara
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Cellistara on 10/05/2011 23:42:56 They obviously just don't want people in 0.0 to be able to plex accounts, the ratting nerf and increased risk will make actually earning isk less desirable so they make more money. Plus people will be forced to either add accounts to mission in highsec or buy gtcs to afford ships, even more money there.
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StuRyan
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Giselle Garner Edited by: Giselle Garner on 10/05/2011 23:40:54
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
The secret is Farming LP in faction war since nobody actually plays it anymore. Busted.
I was being ironic as saying it "the secret". All the pleople know it. However, missioners don't want to come. And 0.0 think that's coward task (as all missioning tasks) and won't come. And about no one playing anymore, better for me. Don't you think?
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH the secret SHHHHHHHHHHHHH the secret means, we have no idea and we're gonna make it up as we go a long. but shhhhhhhhhhhhh lets make it sounds like a secret.
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:43:00 -
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Finally, great change CCP.
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Giselle Garner
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cellistara They obviously just don't want people in 0.0 to be able to plex accounts, the ratting nerf and increased risk will make actually earning isk less desirable so they make more money.
If you really think they don't get money of the GTC's, you are plain stupid. I have stopped trolling only for this serious post. Now will continue :)
Have a good day.
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Molly Roger
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cellistara They obviously just don't want people in 0.0 to be able to plex accounts, the ratting nerf and increased risk will make actually earning isk less desirable so they make more money.
2 months of eve is $30 US...60 day time code is $35 US. I would think they would encourage plexing accounts so that an extra $5 is made.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:44:00 -
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Great fncking Scott! The amount of whinage on this overdue fix of the borked JB design is simply disgraceful!
So the logis won¦t be able to haul alone anymore and must do a JUMP or two in-between, dear heavens what a catastrophe.
Adapt and learn to do Convoy OPs again, like in the good olden times before this whole jumping crappola got thrown into the sandbox.
I for one welcome our CCP Soundwave Overlord and wish to point to this post again:
Originally by: Pallidum Treponema From my april fools post to my corp:
Quote: Jump Bridges
Passwords for jump bridges will also be removed and access managed through standings. The mechanics for initiating a bridge jump will be changed as well.
Similar to Wormholes, a jump bridge will be limited in the amount of mass a jump bridge will be able to transport. This mass limit will regenerate naturally, or û by adding liquid ozone to a portal reactor û at an vastly accelerated rate. What this means is that everyday logistics will not be hampered, but it will no longer be possible to quickly transport huge fleets across several regions in a matter of minutes. Transporting these fleets will still be possible, but it will be spread out over a longer period of time. This also has the side effect that supercapitals are no longer able to use jump bridges.
To compensate for this, we have extended the range at which the jump bridge can be activated. Yes, this means that you can activate the bridge from sitting inside a POS. This change was made so that you will not be stuck in your freighter outside a jump bridge with no mass limit remaining. The jump bridge now also has a 30 second ôcharge upö timer added before your ship is being sent through.
Edit: The above was taken from an april fools post to my corp's forum, detailing changes that they'd never get.
The rationale for the above design is as follows: * It allows everyday logistics to be performed just as easily as today, if not easier. Simple ship movement no longer requires logistics people to constantly refuel the bridges * It slows down mass-fleet movement, with a mechanic that is understandable to players. * It allows smaller gangs to quickly move around with few if any limitations * It allows big fleets to move around, but slowly. * It still allows JB camping, provided that you camp the outgoing side, or dragbubble the POS.
______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
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Giselle Garner
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: StuRyan
Originally by: Giselle Garner Edited by: Giselle Garner on 10/05/2011 23:40:54
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
The secret is Farming LP in faction war since nobody actually plays it anymore. Busted.
I was being ironic as saying it "the secret". All the pleople know it. However, missioners don't want to come. And 0.0 think that's coward task (as all missioning tasks) and won't come. And about no one playing anymore, better for me. Don't you think?
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH the secret SHHHHHHHHHHHHH the secret means, we have no idea and we're gonna make it up as we go a long. but shhhhhhhhhhhhh lets make it sounds like a secret.
Every post I like more this thread.
XD
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Sieran
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:47:00 -
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Once -again- it's: "Too bad about all the work you did. You have our apathy."
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses.
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: StuRyan
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
It should be difficult to avoid PVP in nullsec. Right now that's relatively easy due to jumpbridges being so convenient and easy to use. The downside is that nullsec, an area that should be our pvp flagship, is relatively boring and lifeless when it comes to pvp, apart from territorial conquests. Hopefully this will shake it up a bit and create more opportunity for pvp.
You boys ****ed that up when you speed nerfed.
yet you're still subbed...they must be doing something right, eh?
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Giselle Garner
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:49:00 -
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Eve Online is not a sandbox. It's a huge ocean. There's always a larger fish than you :)
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:49:00 -
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Remember why they implemented jumpbridges? "Because convoy ops are long, boring, and no fun for anybody."
Now, apparently, convoy ops are all the rage.
Jesus Christ CCP you are all incredibly stupid. -- Need a break from EVE? |
Cellistara
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Giselle Garner
Originally by: Cellistara They obviously just don't want people in 0.0 to be able to plex accounts, the ratting nerf and increased risk will make actually earning isk less desirable so they make more money.
If you really think they don't get money of the GTC's, you are plain stupid. I have stopped trolling only for this serious post. Now will continue :)
Have a good day.
Was talking about making enough isk in-game to buy plex on the market.
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:49:00 -
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So will the Winter expansion be appropriately named "Final Solution?"
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 10/05/2011 23:51:25 Edited by: Feyleaf on 10/05/2011 23:50:30
Originally by: Giselle Garner Eve Online is not a sandbox. It's a huge ocean. There's always a larger fish than you :)
I want those fish to other players. Not bots or ccp. Radical changes like this in 7 days notice ruins the entire idea of ocean/sandbox whatever. Removes a large part of what hapnz in the eve universe from the hands of the players.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:51:00 -
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Quote: Is 0.0 industry currently geared to support the population living there? Is the relationship between 0.0 and empire balanced well enough?
<non-plussed> So CCP's plan is to make 0.0 logistics harder in phase 1, and then they'll try to answer the above questions in phase 3? </non-plussed>
----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: captain foivos Remember why they implemented jumpbridges? "Because convoy ops are long, boring, and no fun for anybody."
Now, apparently, convoy ops are all the rage.
Jesus Christ CCP you are all incredibly stupid.
The only people who have a boner about convoy ops are the people who will only ever shoot at them.
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Giselle Garner
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cellistara
Was talking about making enough isk in-game to buy plex on the market.
Ah, right. OK, but then they won't PVP XD But all that ppl that we pay in RL money (even having 30B in the wallet).
That's good, to restrict all that haters of the humankind doing more PVE activities XD
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WisdomPanda
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak Adapt and learn to do Convoy OPs again, like in the good olden times before this whole jumping crappola got thrown into the sandbox.
If any amount of organised hostiles drop on your freighter, it WILL die, escort or not. Welcome to "Alpha".
Still waiting for one good reason why this isn't being deployed in the winter package. ----- Cheesecake, Natures ultimate weapon. |
StuRyan
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:53:00 -
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I like the idea if im honest i like the idea of jumping into one system then to use a gate to get to the next jump bridge.
I just don't agree with 1. the time frame, 2. The fact that every major change so far is f4cking up 0.0 rather making it more interesting and 3 deep space is gonna be a ***** to get too. I remember living so far out when Zydrine and Megacyte was worth the 2 hour long hauls.
caps to be ineligable to use Jbs ? hmmmm not sure .... surely that just means more cyno generator poses?
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kimsemus Thanks for taking away one of the few rewards for having a secure 0.0 empire, which we pay a lot of isk per month for.
CCP, I love you, but right now, I hate you.
I hate you so much.
If it's secure why are you terrified to use a gate?
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Giselle Garner
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Feyleaf
I want those fish to other players. Not bots or ccp. Radical changes like this in 7 days notice ruins the entire idea of ocean/sandbox whatever. Removes a large part of what hapnz in the eve universe from the hands of the players.
It's an ocean. Are you a shark or a huge blue whale? ^^
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: captain foivos Remember why they implemented jumpbridges? "Because convoy ops are long, boring, and no fun for anybody."
Now, apparently, convoy ops are all the rage.
Jesus Christ CCP you are all incredibly stupid.
Moran.
Those were convoys for 20-30 jumps through 0.0. Even from empire to deepest NC space we¦re talking 5-10 jumps now? If you can¦t manage that then you really belong with me in empire. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Major Stallion
The Dark Horses.
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sieran Once -again- it's: "Too bad about all the work you did. You have our apathy."
sup bro, dont read the EULA much, do you? In case you havent, i'll post the important, pertinent part for u.
Originally by: End User License Agreement E. New Releases of the Software
...CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you....
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Phigmeta
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:56:00 -
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CCP please listen carefully
FIX BUGS and STAY THE **** OUT OF NULL
Seriously YOU ****wagons can't seem to get it can you. Are you trying to lower your playerbase .....
From now on i am NOT paying with a sub .. from now on i will be using isk to buy plex .. I have allways felt that you guys deserved to get some real money ... but ya know what ..... now its time for me to nerf the sub.
OH and i will be using your boken PI to pay for those PLEX ... IN HIGH SEC
what dumba$$ery
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Viktoria Potsfel
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Viktoria Potsfel on 10/05/2011 23:56:32
Originally by: Giselle Garner
Originally by: Feyleaf
I want those fish to other players. Not bots or ccp. Radical changes like this in 7 days notice ruins the entire idea of ocean/sandbox whatever. Removes a large part of what hapnz in the eve universe from the hands of the players.
It's an ocean. Are you a shark or a huge blue whale? ^^
and you were captain of your highschool debating team?
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Caidos
Psykotic Meat C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:56:00 -
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LOL at all the 0.0 carebear tears!
Seriously, if this change makes you sad then you don't belong in 0.0. Learn to adapt, or pack up and go home. The nearest warm fuzzy high sec mission hub is that way --->
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