Originally by: QueenSpider

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\0/ changes yaay!

I believe these changes are good, they break down the max power an alliance has now wich gives newer groups a better chance on getting a piece of the action.

Having 2 powerblocks is just f'ing boring.. always the same people with differnt names in nullsec. Good that it will change :-)

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Originally by: Sirus Prime

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This is getting quite drawn out. Here's the general synopsis for anyone just getting here:
1: Everyone who isn't NC is happy that they are destroying our infrastructure and our isk making abilities.
2: Everyone in the NC is ****ed that CCP is still after us for destroying BoB/IT (the ones they gave the supercap BPO's to, and yes, some of us actually know about that *gasp*)

But ya, that's pretty much what you've missed, oh and the constant back and forth ***ching from one side to the other.

BTW: F**K THIS BULLS***

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Originally by: Feyleaf

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Originally by: QueenSpider

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\0/ changes yaay!

I believe these changes are good, they break down the max power an alliance has now wich gives newer groups a better chance on getting a piece of the action.

Having 2 powerblocks is just f'ing boring.. always the same people with differnt names in nullsec. Good that it will change :-)

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It wont.. thats the thing.. they same ppl with titan bridges will still be best friends forever, ccp cant patch out human behavior.
Only things gonna change that if they make
all those people quit the game

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Originally by: Better Than You

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I run logistics for my corp. Yes we are a renter/pet but that is besides the point. Now thanks to bitter losers who got sand kicked in their face, CCP is totally obliterating the jump bridge network.

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Originally by: Better Than You

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So as a logistics person, care to share what in the **** am I supposed to do to get supplies to my corp? We are not exactly three jumps from Jita or have a titan bridge available to us 23/7.

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Originally by: Better Than You

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Those who hate the NC and friends were incompetent in removing us so they get the game developers to change it to do the work for them.

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Originally by: Better Than You

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YOU KNOW THERE IS MORE TO THIS GAME THAN PVP YOU TWITS! MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE A LOOK AT IT INSTEAD OF BEING TOTAL ****WITS GOD DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: Albus Thumbledore

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Originally by: Sirus Prime

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This is getting quite drawn out. Here's the general synopsis for anyone just getting here:
1: Everyone who isn't NC is happy that they are destroying our infrastructure and our isk making abilities.
2: Everyone in the NC is ****ed that CCP is still after us for destroying BoB/IT (the ones they gave the supercap BPO's to, and yes, some of us actually know about that *gasp*)

But ya, that's pretty much what you've missed, oh and the constant back and forth ***ching from one side to the other.

BTW: F**K THIS BULLS***

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3. The same nasty CCP that gave you all the Tech moons ? Stop whining.

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Originally by: Dray

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Edited by: Dray on 12/05/2011 21:20:57
Not enough tbh, should remove JB's totally from the game, if ASCN could build outposts and survive in Feythabolis there's no reason why others can't do the same now, ASCN used get a lot of stick for being massive carebears but listening to some of people in this thread makes me wonder if we did them a disservice.

All we need now is super caps nerfed to f**k and all will be good.

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Originally by: Feyleaf

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Right.. ccp gave them the tech moons.(ironic)

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Originally by: Better Than You

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I run logistics for my corp. Yes we are a renter/pet but that is besides the point. Now thanks to bitter losers who got sand kicked in their face, CCP is totally obliterating the jump bridge network.

So as a logistics person, care to share what in the **** am I supposed to do to get supplies to my corp? We are not exactly three jumps from Jita or have a titan bridge available to us 23/7. Well? Thats what I ****ing thought. You just ruined us. Good job CCP. Those who hate the NC and friends were incompetent in removing us so they get the game developers to change it to do the work for them.

First the anomaly nerf and now this. What next? We have to line up in pods for our enemy to pad their kill boards? YOU KNOW THERE IS MORE TO THIS GAME THAN PVP YOU TWITS! MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE A LOOK AT IT INSTEAD OF BEING TOTAL ****WITS GOD DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: Alexander Knott

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Originally by: Feyleaf

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Right.. ccp gave them the tech moons.(ironic)

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Guess he should've said "changed industry mechanics so that the Tech you already owned became incredibly valuable." Seems like his version was close enough though. There was tech, it was moderately valuable, then CCP made it omfg valuable in a single patch.

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Originally by: Feyleaf

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Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 21:29:04

Originally by: Dray

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Edited by: Dray on 12/05/2011 21:20:57
Not enough tbh, should remove JB's totally from the game, if ASCN could build outposts and survive in Feythabolis there's no reason why others can't do the same now, ASCN used get a lot of stick for being massive carebears but listening to some of people in this thread makes me wonder if we did them a disservice.

All we need now is super caps nerfed to f**k and all will be good.

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Theyre gonna make all the good targets quit the game, if they keep putting in isk/timesinks and hurting the newer non capitalship players.

Cant wait to see whats next.

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Originally by: Alexander Knott

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Originally by: Feyleaf

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Right.. ccp gave them the tech moons.(ironic)

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Guess he should've said "changed industry mechanics so that the Tech you already owned became incredibly valuable." Seems like his version was close enough though. There was tech, it was moderately valuable, then CCP made it omfg valuable in a single patch.

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Originally by: Bobbeh

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Originally by: Alexander Knott

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Originally by: Feyleaf

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Right.. ccp gave them the tech moons.(ironic)

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Guess he should've said "changed industry mechanics so that the Tech you already owned became incredibly valuable." Seems like his version was close enough though. There was tech, it was moderately valuable, then CCP made it omfg valuable in a single patch.

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Honestly it was probably like

" Whats the thing that causes people to invade other people? Isk Generation, We don't like the north. So lets give them the Biggest Isk moons in the game so that everyone else in eve Wants their space."

By doing so drive All the Drone and Southern alliances to want the NC removed from our Space for the technetium.

We will see if it works

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Originally by: Albus Thumbledore

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Originally by: Sirus Prime

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This is getting quite drawn out. Here's the general synopsis for anyone just getting here:
1: Everyone who isn't NC is happy that they are destroying our infrastructure and our isk making abilities.
2: Everyone in the NC is ****ed that CCP is still after us for destroying BoB/IT (the ones they gave the supercap BPO's to, and yes, some of us actually know about that *gasp*)

But ya, that's pretty much what you've missed, oh and the constant back and forth ***ching from one side to the other.

BTW: F**K THIS BULLS***

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3. The same nasty CCP that gave you all the Tech moons ? Stop whining.

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Originally by: Ohh Yeah

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Or CCP wants to see 0.0 transition backwards to those days when survival revolved around clustered, SMALL groups of people working closely together. I hate to break it to you but I'm pretty sure CCP is sick of mega-NAP-train-happy-go-fun-land and wants to watch the universe burn. Really.

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Originally by: Imigo Montoya

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Originally by: Ohh Yeah

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Or CCP wants to see 0.0 transition backwards to those days when survival revolved around clustered, SMALL groups of people working closely together. I hate to break it to you but I'm pretty sure CCP is sick of mega-NAP-train-happy-go-fun-land and wants to watch the universe burn. Really.

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See, that's the problem right there.

When, as a game designer, you create a sandbox and push for emergent gameplay you release some control of your creation and put it in the hands of the players. It's what makes an emergent sandbox great. It's what makes EVE great.

When you start saying "We don't want people playing in the sandbox the way they want to, we want them playing the way way we want them to", you start throwing the baby out with the bathwater. With that simple statement you're making it a game designer driven game, not a player driven game.

So funnily enough, for all those people supporting the JB nerf and saying "Harden up. If you don't like it, gb2WoW", this change is fundamentally making EVE more like WoW - a game where the game designers, not the players, decide what kind of experience you should have.

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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler

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Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 12/05/2011 22:13:27
A funny thought just struck me. The people here complaining about this were the same people (or at least of the same ilk) cheering when the Nanonerf was announced.

The shoe is firmly on the other foot now.

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Originally by: JC Anderson

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Edited by: JC Anderson on 12/05/2011 00:46:24

Back when I was with the ASCN, (Yes I know, we sucked) jump bridges did not exist... Jump freighters did not exist... Warp to 0 did not exist (Though we all had thousands of insta's)... And at the time even jump drive capable standard carriers and dreads were extremely rare...

What we had was numbers to include us in the alliances with thousands of members category. We held on to our space for quite awhile until BOB, MC, and a few others finally dismantled the ASCN in an extremely successful invasion.

My point is that despite lacking these things, we still were able to build an economic infrastructure and sustain ourselves as well as our individual members through careful management. We actually had to patrol our space, and guard the entrances to it as well. And once every two weeks we would form a freighter convoy with about 300 or so escort ships and fly the 45 jumps gate to gate from our space to the main trade hub that we used in Empire. We used an advance scout fleet in front, another fleet of escorts WITH the freighters, and a final fleet that stayed one behind to watch for attackers coming up from the rear.

One of the best parts of the game was that there were more options when it came to attacking your enemies than simply invading their space. And one of those ways was to attack their supply lines directly by staging ambushes on their freighter convoys when they were most vulnerable. Things such as this provided a way for smaller groups to inflict crippling blows against the larger alliances.

It's just sad that with all the additions to make things "easier" and "safer" in null, these sort of things no longer take place as there is no longer a need. It was a big part of the game, and I have to admit that I miss it.

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Originally by: Di Mulle

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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler

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Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 12/05/2011 22:13:27
A funny thought just struck me. The people here complaining about this were the same people (or at least of the same ilk) cheering when the Nanonerf was announced.

The shoe is firmly on the other foot now.

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What about people who rather welcome both of those, btw

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Originally by: Imigo Montoya

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See, that's the problem right there.

When, as a game designer, you create a sandbox and push for emergent gameplay you release some control of your creation and put it in the hands of the players. It's what makes an emergent sandbox great. It's what makes EVE great.

When you start saying "We don't want people playing in the sandbox the way they want to, we want them playing the way way we want them to", you start throwing the baby out with the bathwater. With that simple statement you're making it a game designer driven game, not a player driven game.

So funnily enough, for all those people supporting the JB nerf and saying "Harden up. If you don't like it, gb2WoW", this change is fundamentally making EVE more like WoW - a game where the game designers, not the players, decide what kind of experience you should have.

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Originally by: Di Mulle

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Originally by: Imigo Montoya

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See, that's the problem right there.

When, as a game designer, you create a sandbox and push for emergent gameplay you release some control of your creation and put it in the hands of the players. It's what makes an emergent sandbox great. It's what makes EVE great.

When you start saying "We don't want people playing in the sandbox the way they want to, we want them playing the way way we want them to", you start throwing the baby out with the bathwater. With that simple statement you're making it a game designer driven game, not a player driven game.

So funnily enough, for all those people supporting the JB nerf and saying "Harden up. If you don't like it, gb2WoW", this change is fundamentally making EVE more like WoW - a game where the game designers, not the players, decide what kind of experience you should have.

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See, that's another problem here. "Sandbox" buzzword is really overused.

Even, if the devs, let's say, would want to change the way the game is played, they in our case do nothing which affects it directly. No limiting of blue standings, or whatever stupid idea regularly surfaces in F&I.

One may say, they change a form of sandbox. You are warmly welcome to play the way you used to. And guess what, you still can do it. Time will tell, maybe we will.

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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler

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Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 12/05/2011 22:13:27
A funny thought just struck me. The people here complaining about this were the same people (or at least of the same ilk) cheering when the Nanonerf was announced.

The shoe is firmly on the other foot now.

Originally by: Albus Thumbledore

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Originally by: Sirus Prime

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This is getting quite drawn out. Here's the general synopsis for anyone just getting here:
1: Everyone who isn't NC is happy that they are destroying our infrastructure and our isk making abilities.
2: Everyone in the NC is ****ed that CCP is still after us for destroying BoB/IT (the ones they gave the supercap BPO's to, and yes, some of us actually know about that *gasp*)

But ya, that's pretty much what you've missed, oh and the constant back and forth ***ching from one side to the other.

BTW: F**K THIS BULLS***

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3. The same nasty CCP that gave you all the Tech moons ? Stop whining.

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>implying that the average NC scrub gets to see any of that isk.

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Originally by: Di Mulle

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See, that's another problem here. "Sandbox" buzzword is really overused.

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