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Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:07:00 - [1] I have to ask, because I do feel this is the cause of many problems in eve. Consider some of the issues.. 1) Alliances that have been around for years have a massive advantage over new players and alliances. Already well established, have massive ISK income, have massive super fleets that new players now have to beg and pay to be part of all this? or even pay. If people tell me well alliances die all the time, Ill scream. Yes but the same old people are just recycled to create a new alliance of the same people, rinse and repeat. 2)Older alliances did not have to compete with what is now 50K people online rather it was 8K or something, new players/alliances/corps now have this to contend with. 3) New alliances/corps/players cannot get access to the moon gold and riches because its controlled by the old players/corps/alliances. New Alliances = meaning newer players rather than new alliance/old players. So basically 0.0 is so entrenched and controlled that its impossible for new players/alliances/corps to have the same advantages. 4) Is this why lag will never be fixed? Because there are simply too many people for one universe? 5) Is this why nice quality features, more real world stuff in eve doesnt happen, and eve is just a dark dead place. because it will cause too much lag and the server cant cope. 6) Is this why we have a stupid 30 second timer on stuff, because the server simply cant catch up being in one universe 7) Fleet fights - nuff said. 8) Are we missing out on what eve could be, becuase its on one universe? 9) Are people missing out on experiencing what others have because of one universe. 10) are we kidding ourselves thinking that EVE ONE SHARD universe can actually work? Isnt this why many other MMOS have more than one world you can play one? Are CCP trying to keep this 'Look we have a single universe game' plaque, and we amazing.. but infact as eve has constantly grown and this is just not feasible anymore? 11) Are people too stubborn to realise that eve cannot cope on a single universe? and cling onto this one universe this is my eve title 12) Are we letting new players slip through our fingers because we simply dont offer them the safety and comfort of learning the game in safer universes 13) Shouldnt people have the option whether to carebear or pvp? Rather than not given the choice? In eve your part of pvp whether you want to or not..Meaning you can be attacked by anyone anywhere anytime.. 14) is CCP really thinking about its player base and future of eve or is this really just a personal project These are just a small amount of points on this issue, would be for once good to have a serious discussion on this...sadly im sure the trolls will be feeding...
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:16:00 - [2] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas I have to ask, because I do feel this is the cause of many problems in eve. 1) Alliances that have been around for years have a massive advantage over new players and alliances. Already well established, have massive ISK income, have massive super fleets that new players now have to beg and pay to be part of all this? or even pay. If people tell me well alliances die all the time, Ill scream. Yes but the same old people are just recycled to create a new alliance of the same people, rinse and repeat. #Alliances rise and fall, even the biggest ones. 2)Older alliances did not have to compete with what is now 50K people online rather it was 8K or something, new players/alliances/corps now have this to contend with. # New space was added when needed, there hasn't always been 5 k systems. There are many empty ones still. ALthough now you can hire meaningful protection where in the past you could not. 3) New alliances/corps/players cannot get access to the moon gold and riches because its controlled by the old players/corps/alliances. # Moon Goo control is a hard to deal with issue, those with the might have the right to mine it. They do however need to get it to market somehow, look there for your moon goo. 4) Is this why lag will never be fixed? Because there are simply too many people for one universe? # There really is a lot of good stuff written about lag, please read it. 5) Is this why nice quality features, more real world stuff in eve doesnt happen, and eve is just a dark dead place. because it will cause too much lag and the server cant cope. # Please read about the server, you do not understand it. 6) Is this why we have a stupid 30 second timer on stuff, because the server simply cant catch up being in one universe # see above, you're incorrect again. 7) Fleet fights - nuff said. # nothing said. 8) Are we missing out on what eve could be, becuase its on one universe? # If eve were sharded, it wouldn't be eve. 9) Are people missing out on experiencing what others have because of one universe. # Even a new server would benefit from years of development, and these new people would have it a lot easier. 10) are we kidding ourselves thinking that EVE ONE SHARD universe can actually work? Isnt this why many other MMOS have more than one world you can play one? Are CCP trying to keep this 'Look we have a single universe game' plaque, and we amazing.. but infact as eve has constantly grown and this is just not feasible anymore? # It has worked for 8 years, can you be clearer? 11) Are people too stubborn to realise that eve cannot cope on a single universe? and cling onto this one universe this is my eve title # are you too stubborn to consider anything other than your clearly limited experience? Do you really think we're all delusional? 12) Are we letting new players slip through our fingers because we simply dont offer them the safety and comfort of learning the game in safer universes # We continue to grow, but not like WOW, but that is intentional. 13) Shouldnt people have the option whether to carebear or pvp? Rather than not given the choice? In eve your part of pvp whether you want to or not..Meaning you can be attacked by anyone anywhere anytime.. # They do have an option, it is called sitting in a station. 14) is CCP really thinking about its player base and future of eve or is this really just a personal project # Do you read any dev blogs? These are just a small amount of points on this issue, would be for once good to have a serious discussion on this...sadly im sure the trolls will be feeding... Your original post is almost PURE troll bait, if you don't see that, then you should really spend more time on your communication skills and less on EVE. Best AG *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Nemeron The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:16:00 - [3] no no no
RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:19:00 - [4] no, no it was worse no see goons no see dev blogs no see expansions no that has always been there - a bit annoying but meh no not nuff said - was worse no no no no yes not a chance Join BIG
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:23:00 - [5] Originally by: RaTTuS no, no it was worse no see goons no see dev blogs no see expansions no that has always been there - a bit annoying but meh no not nuff said - was worse no no no no yes not a chance I rest my case ... thanks for that informative response
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: RaTTuS no, no it was worse no see goons no see dev blogs no see expansions no that has always been there - a bit annoying but meh no not nuff said - was worse no no no no yes not a chance I rest my case ... thanks for that informative response You rest your case by ignoring my response? I knew you didn't want to read but that's kinda extra lazy. *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:25:00 - [7] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 12/05/2011 16:25:57 Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: RaTTuS no, no it was worse no see goons no see dev blogs no see expansions no that has always been there - a bit annoying but meh no not nuff said - was worse no no no no yes not a chance I rest my case ... thanks for that informative response You rest your case by ignoring my response? I knew you didn't want to read but that's kinda extra lazy. Your response? You trolled - I dont feed the trolls..Im sorry that you struggle to have a grown up discussion
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:26:00 - [8] Edited by: Apollo Gabriel on 12/05/2011 16:27:03 I did NOT troll, please try again. look for the # comments. *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Zaratustra People of Random Nature	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:32:00 - [9] Eve needs the single universe, it's part of what's so great about it. Not every system has people, there are old powers to attempt to overthrow, there is a wide community with patches of population. If you add other universes, itll be excessively empty, boring, and you'll just be repeating the same things that will lead to new powerhouse alliances down the road... Only therre won't be as many challengers to those major alliances. Your idea is weapon's grade bull****. Think long term, and you'll see just how stupid this idea is.
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:38:00 - [10] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 12/05/2011 16:39:33 Originally by: Zaratustra Eve needs the single universe, it's part of what's so great about it. Not every system has people, there are old powers to attempt to overthrow, there is a wide community with patches of population. If you add other universes, itll be excessively empty, boring, and you'll just be repeating the same things that will lead to new powerhouse alliances down the road... Only therre won't be as many challengers to those major alliances. Your idea is weapon's grade bull****. Think long term, and you'll see just how stupid this idea is. long term? eve becomes a russian server, short term eve IS NOT retaining new players - longer time eve will be consumed by new space mmos, who know what they are doing - eve dies..answer your question. KEEP BURYING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND
Kristina Vanszar Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Kristina Vanszar on 12/05/2011 16:40:27 Sorry but this really matches now... WOW -> EVE is different, one universe, one sandbox, for everyone, that does not mean you can do what you want, it means you can do what you want if you can make someone elese not do what they want. BIG alliances meh.... you've got enough options, W-Space, joining the big alliances, staying in HS. I'm not sure but it seems you've missed the whole concept of eve. If you want a totally safe game without any bad expiriences, then eve is the wrong game for you. EDIT: to all the flamers: EVE is dieing the past 8 years already, and will for the next 8 years. o7
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Kristina Vanszar Sorry but this really matches now... WOW -> EVE is different, one universe, one sandbox, for everyone, that does not mean you can do what you want, it means you can do what you want if you can make someone elese not do what they want. BIG alliances meh.... you've got enough options, W-Space, joining the big alliances, staying in HS. I'm not sure but it seems you've missed the whole concept of eve. If you want a totally safe game without any bad expiriences, then eve is the wrong game for you. o7 i think you missed my whole point altogether. omg here we go agaaaainnn with the same old wow bull**** its boring.... everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason..funny you think that eve is the correct one, when infact its the odd one out..strange that isn it
Kristina Vanszar Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: Kristina Vanszar Sorry but this really matches now... WOW -> EVE is different, one universe, one sandbox, for everyone, that does not mean you can do what you want, it means you can do what you want if you can make someone elese not do what they want. BIG alliances meh.... you've got enough options, W-Space, joining the big alliances, staying in HS. I'm not sure but it seems you've missed the whole concept of eve. If you want a totally safe game without any bad expiriences, then eve is the wrong game for you. o7 i think you missed my whole point altogether. omg here we go agaaaainnn with the same old wow bull**** its boring.... everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason..funny you think that eve is the correct one, when infact its the odd one out..strange that isn it That's the point, becouse eve is different, from my point of view, eve is not an mmo, eve is an simulator for the chaos theory. which it bases on. the other mmos are mass products, designed to match as many peoples needs as possible a little bit. where eve is made to match for some people perfectly. why should ccp change a system that works for 8 years? that would be stupid. Where is the problem with one universe? becouse you have to actually work or take risks for benefit? your problem... Lag in 1000+ fleet fights? solution on the way. (Time delation)
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:47:00 - [14] Edited by: Calfis on 12/05/2011 16:48:24 1) Alliances that have been around for years have a massive advantage over new players and alliances. Already well established, have massive ISK income, have massive super fleets that new players now have to beg and pay to be part of all this? or even pay. If people tell me well alliances die all the time, Ill scream. Yes but the same old people are just recycled to create a new alliance of the same people, rinse and repeat. Ans: Yes alliances die and new ones have old players, where would you like the old players to go? They need to stop playing the game because they are older characters? 2)Older alliances did not have to compete with what is now 50K people online rather it was 8K or something, new players/alliances/corps now have this to contend with. Ans: Its not their fault they got their foot in the door first. 3) New alliances/corps/players cannot get access to the moon gold and riches because its controlled by the old players/corps/alliances. New Alliances = meaning newer players rather than new alliance/old players. So basically 0.0 is so entrenched and controlled that its impossible for new players/alliances/corps to have the same advantages. Ans: I'm a "new" player since my character is from 2010, if you invest a lot in PvP skill training you can easily join up with exiisting alliances and coalitions. 4) Is this why lag will never be fixed? Because there are simply too many people for one universe? Ans: Its not the universe that is the problem, its run on multiple servers, the lag issue happens when one server is handling too many requests because alliances like to load 2000 people into a single solar system to "win". I think there are viable ways around that like CCP's Time Dialation 5) Is this why nice quality features, more real world stuff in eve doesnt happen, and eve is just a dark dead place. because it will cause too much lag and the server cant cope. Ans: Eve is a dark deadly place because it is what CCP envisioned, you put people in an environment, take away RL morality and norms and you essentially have social Darwinism and "the state of nature" in null that means players bandwagon together for safety, sometimes into huge coalitions that can last years. That makes it as realistic as anything else in the real world IMO. 6) Is this why we have a stupid 30 second timer on stuff, because the server simply cant catch up being in one universe Ans: What 30 sec timer stuff are you talking about? Aggression? Fleet? I think that stuff is just to make sure ppl arent able to just escape other players too easily because that would make eve too safe and kinda ghey 7) Fleet fights - nuff said. Ans: Ive been known to enjoy fleet battles of a few hundred on each side. 8) Are we missing out on what eve could be, becuase its on one universe? Ans: Well what could it be? Or do you mean are we missing out on what YOU want it to be (i.e. every other vanilla MMO out there) 9) Are people missing out on experiencing what others have because of one universe. Ans: Again you are not talking specifics about this vague awesomeness that we are missing rather you are just trashing on the single shard idea because YOU dont like it 10) are we kidding ourselves thinking that EVE ONE SHARD universe can actually work? Isnt this why many other MMOS have more than one world you can play one? Are CCP trying to keep this 'Look we have a single universe game' plaque, and we amazing.. but infact as eve has constantly grown and this is just not feasible anymore? Ans: So basically you want to make EVE a generic WOW in space? You're not the first one and you won't be the last but Eve has done fine for 8 years on a single shard universe and it is awesome. What you are really saying is that unique is bad and we should just copy what everyone else is doing, I bet you were never really one for creativity during your school years? contin...
Martyr Theos The NecroMonger Faith	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:49:00 - [15] Edited by: Martyr Theos on 12/05/2011 16:54:46 To the OP... THIS IS YOUR SOLUTION... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509118 Get on that thread and advocate it. NOVA BOMBS AND LULZ FOR EVERYONE ! SHAKE UP THE OLD ORDER ! "Got License?" - TNMF
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas i think you missed my whole point altogether. omg here we go agaaaainnn with the same old wow bull**** its boring.... everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason..funny you think that eve is the correct one, when infact its the odd one out..strange that isn it Why do you need everything to be the same. Isnt it enough with all the other boring copies?
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Martyr Theos To the OP... THIS IS YOUR SOLUTION... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509118 Get on that thread and advocate it. wait, so your self-aggrandizing response to a thread about EvE being a single-shard universe is that we should allow individuals to do AOE damage? Are you high, simple, or just unable to see ANYTHING beyond your own, frail and limited ideas? and to the OP - people have provided answers IN THIS THREAD, you're just choosing to ignore/flame-bait/troll, presumably for the lulz? .
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Shawna Gray Originally by: Hermosa Diosas i think you missed my whole point altogether. omg here we go agaaaainnn with the same old wow bull**** its boring.... everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason..funny you think that eve is the correct one, when infact its the odd one out..strange that isn it Why do you need everything to be the same. Isnt it enough with all the other boring copies? probably cos i want a game that works..maybe i dont have that right when i pay for something..who knows - so whens jumpgate coming out again
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason..funny you think that eve is the correct one, when infact its the odd one out..strange that isn it a HUGE part of the reason I play EvE (and have played for 6 years) IS the single-shard server. I have played many other MMOG's where there are x number of cloned servers and achievements mean NOTHING because it's limited to you the y number of players on that server. EvE has a history that has been created by the players. Not exactly sure WHY you would want to change that? .
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:57:00 - [20] 11) Are people too stubborn to realise that eve cannot cope on a single universe? and cling onto this one universe this is my eve title Ans: Are you too stubborn to realize that CCP will never turn EVE into WOW? 12) Are we letting new players slip through our fingers because we simply dont offer them the safety and comfort of learning the game in safer universes Ans: If that is what they are looking for then they misread the description of EVE and they should look elsewhere, we have plenty of commited players already who aren't afraid of a game with a bit of rough individualism involved. 13) Shouldnt people have the option whether to carebear or pvp? Rather than not given the choice? In eve your part of pvp whether you want to or not..Meaning you can be attacked by anyone anywhere anytime.. Ans: Again you are asking "Shouldn't we make EVE like WOW in space?" or any other of the 99999999 hold-your-hand and hello-kitty online MMOs out there. There are already enough MMOs that do that if thats what a player wants, if anything we need more games like EVE. 14) is CCP really thinking about its player base and future of eve or is this really just a personal project Ans: You assume that the players and future of EVE are not in tune with CCP's original vision for EVE as a cold dark universe. Many of the players that have come and stayed in EVE stayed because of that cold dark universe (cuz other game devs are crowd pleasers that turn their MMOs into generic boring affairs). Honestly if I wanted a predictable PVE grind game I would have gone to WOW. Some of the most intense adrenaline filled moments I've ever had in a game was in EVE and in 0.0
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas long term? eve becomes a russian server, short term eve IS NOT retaining new players - longer time eve will be consumed by new space mmos, who know what they are doing - eve dies..answer your question. KEEP BURYING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND Erm... EVE IS retaining players and is in fact growing year on year...
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas probably cos i want a game that works..maybe i dont have that right when i pay for something..who knows - so whens jumpgate coming out again You pay for the right to take part in this unique universe, same as everyone else. Why should you have some sort of safety net if you don't have the bones to strike out and make it on your own? You are not the first person to try EVE, not like it, then decide it needs to fundamentally change to suit your needs. There are a lot of other MMOs out there that would suit you. Leave our niche alone
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas probably cos i want a game that works..maybe i dont have that right when i pay for something..who knows - so whens jumpgate coming out again It works better than all other mmo's as it is. Jumpgate is never coming out and would not be competition for EVE even if it did.
Martyr Theos The NecroMonger Faith	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: Martyr Theos To the OP... THIS IS YOUR SOLUTION... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509118 Get on that thread and advocate it. wait, so your self-aggrandizing response to a thread about EvE being a single-shard universe is that we should allow individuals to do AOE damage? Are you high, simple, or just unable to see ANYTHING beyond your own, frail and limited ideas? and to the OP - people have provided answers IN THIS THREAD, you're just choosing to ignore/flame-bait/troll, presumably for the lulz? ********* I assure you I am not the OP.. I don't even know him... but the NOVA BOMB would solve many of his issues "Got License?" - TNMF
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Martyr Theos Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: Martyr Theos To the OP... THIS IS YOUR SOLUTION... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509118 Get on that thread and advocate it. wait, so your self-aggrandizing response to a thread about EvE being a single-shard universe is that we should allow individuals to do AOE damage? Are you high, simple, or just unable to see ANYTHING beyond your own, frail and limited ideas? and to the OP - people have provided answers IN THIS THREAD, you're just choosing to ignore/flame-bait/troll, presumably for the lulz? ********* I assure you I am not the OP.. I don't even know him... but the NOVA BOMB would solve many of his issues Go back and read it again, I didn't say or imply you were the OP - however, again, your limited idea does NOT solve his concerns in the least. Are you sure you even understand this discussion? .
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Shawna Gray Originally by: Hermosa Diosas probably cos i want a game that works..maybe i dont have that right when i pay for something..who knows - so whens jumpgate coming out again It works better than all other mmo's as it is. Jumpgate is never coming out and would not be competition for EVE even if it did. Why do you keep believing this tripe? on both accounts?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Your response? You trolled No. He responded to your points, saying that they were all false. And he's right. Not a single statement you made had any basis in reality, and is trivially disproven by simply looking at the history of EVE. 1. Alliances that have been around for years have been destroyed. 2. Older alliances had to compete against higher relative numbers than today's alliances. 3. New alliances can and do gain access to moon goo. 4. Lag has been fixed. Many many times. That's why fights are now as big as they are. 5. New stuff is being introduced constantly. 6. No. 7. No, not 'nuff said. What about fleet fights? 8. Not really, no. What else could it be and still be EVE? 9. No, they're missing out because they choose to. 10. It does work, so no kidding is required. 11. No. 12. New players have it easier than ever. 13. Certainly not. That would break the game. 14. You seem to be suggesting that there is a dichotomy between the twoà There isn't. Quote: everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason The reason is "because they can" ù because those games have nothing to gain from being single-server, so they can shard at their hearts' delight and reap the benefits. EVE is not that kind of game, and it reaps its benefits from not being sharded. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kristina Vanszar Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:05:00 - [28] To make it clear to the OP: me and for sure 90 % of people here want a game where there is the possibility of getting nuked FOR NO REASON IN SAFE space. AND having the chance of NUKING SOMEONE FOR NO REASON. that's the shortest description i can provide why i love this game.
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: Shawna Gray Originally by: Hermosa Diosas probably cos i want a game that works..maybe i dont have that right when i pay for something..who knows - so whens jumpgate coming out again It works better than all other mmo's as it is. Jumpgate is never coming out and would not be competition for EVE even if it did. Why do you keep believing this tripe? on both accounts? Why do you keep peddling your tripe?
Nizran L'Crit	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:05:00 - [30] Watch the CCP Fanfaire presentation, every year EVE has more paid users currently at like 240k or something like that and starting at 60k. If CCP is content with increases like that, who are you to criticize what they do. They're making money, getting more users yearly, your complaints obviously don't matter because, while there is a lot of fail in EVE, overall, it is pure win. Sorry to be harsh, but if you want to be negative about what the developers are doing, go to another game. I know you wont, because EVE is just too much win. TL;DR We don't need more of this BS polluting the forums, if you don't like the developers vision, make your god#$%$ed game and make it how you want.

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