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Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:07:00 - [1] I have to ask, because I do feel this is the cause of many problems in eve. Consider some of the issues.. 1) Alliances that have been around for years have a massive advantage over new players and alliances. Already well established, have massive ISK income, have massive super fleets that new players now have to beg and pay to be part of all this? or even pay. If people tell me well alliances die all the time, Ill scream. Yes but the same old people are just recycled to create a new alliance of the same people, rinse and repeat. 2)Older alliances did not have to compete with what is now 50K people online rather it was 8K or something, new players/alliances/corps now have this to contend with. 3) New alliances/corps/players cannot get access to the moon gold and riches because its controlled by the old players/corps/alliances. New Alliances = meaning newer players rather than new alliance/old players. So basically 0.0 is so entrenched and controlled that its impossible for new players/alliances/corps to have the same advantages. 4) Is this why lag will never be fixed? Because there are simply too many people for one universe? 5) Is this why nice quality features, more real world stuff in eve doesnt happen, and eve is just a dark dead place. because it will cause too much lag and the server cant cope. 6) Is this why we have a stupid 30 second timer on stuff, because the server simply cant catch up being in one universe 7) Fleet fights - nuff said. 8) Are we missing out on what eve could be, becuase its on one universe? 9) Are people missing out on experiencing what others have because of one universe. 10) are we kidding ourselves thinking that EVE ONE SHARD universe can actually work? Isnt this why many other MMOS have more than one world you can play one? Are CCP trying to keep this 'Look we have a single universe game' plaque, and we amazing.. but infact as eve has constantly grown and this is just not feasible anymore? 11) Are people too stubborn to realise that eve cannot cope on a single universe? and cling onto this one universe this is my eve title 12) Are we letting new players slip through our fingers because we simply dont offer them the safety and comfort of learning the game in safer universes 13) Shouldnt people have the option whether to carebear or pvp? Rather than not given the choice? In eve your part of pvp whether you want to or not..Meaning you can be attacked by anyone anywhere anytime.. 14) is CCP really thinking about its player base and future of eve or is this really just a personal project These are just a small amount of points on this issue, would be for once good to have a serious discussion on this...sadly im sure the trolls will be feeding...
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:16:00 - [2] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas I have to ask, because I do feel this is the cause of many problems in eve. 1) Alliances that have been around for years have a massive advantage over new players and alliances. Already well established, have massive ISK income, have massive super fleets that new players now have to beg and pay to be part of all this? or even pay. If people tell me well alliances die all the time, Ill scream. Yes but the same old people are just recycled to create a new alliance of the same people, rinse and repeat. #Alliances rise and fall, even the biggest ones. 2)Older alliances did not have to compete with what is now 50K people online rather it was 8K or something, new players/alliances/corps now have this to contend with. # New space was added when needed, there hasn't always been 5 k systems. There are many empty ones still. ALthough now you can hire meaningful protection where in the past you could not. 3) New alliances/corps/players cannot get access to the moon gold and riches because its controlled by the old players/corps/alliances. # Moon Goo control is a hard to deal with issue, those with the might have the right to mine it. They do however need to get it to market somehow, look there for your moon goo. 4) Is this why lag will never be fixed? Because there are simply too many people for one universe? # There really is a lot of good stuff written about lag, please read it. 5) Is this why nice quality features, more real world stuff in eve doesnt happen, and eve is just a dark dead place. because it will cause too much lag and the server cant cope. # Please read about the server, you do not understand it. 6) Is this why we have a stupid 30 second timer on stuff, because the server simply cant catch up being in one universe # see above, you're incorrect again. 7) Fleet fights - nuff said. # nothing said. 8) Are we missing out on what eve could be, becuase its on one universe? # If eve were sharded, it wouldn't be eve. 9) Are people missing out on experiencing what others have because of one universe. # Even a new server would benefit from years of development, and these new people would have it a lot easier. 10) are we kidding ourselves thinking that EVE ONE SHARD universe can actually work? Isnt this why many other MMOS have more than one world you can play one? Are CCP trying to keep this 'Look we have a single universe game' plaque, and we amazing.. but infact as eve has constantly grown and this is just not feasible anymore? # It has worked for 8 years, can you be clearer? 11) Are people too stubborn to realise that eve cannot cope on a single universe? and cling onto this one universe this is my eve title # are you too stubborn to consider anything other than your clearly limited experience? Do you really think we're all delusional? 12) Are we letting new players slip through our fingers because we simply dont offer them the safety and comfort of learning the game in safer universes # We continue to grow, but not like WOW, but that is intentional. 13) Shouldnt people have the option whether to carebear or pvp? Rather than not given the choice? In eve your part of pvp whether you want to or not..Meaning you can be attacked by anyone anywhere anytime.. # They do have an option, it is called sitting in a station. 14) is CCP really thinking about its player base and future of eve or is this really just a personal project # Do you read any dev blogs? These are just a small amount of points on this issue, would be for once good to have a serious discussion on this...sadly im sure the trolls will be feeding... Your original post is almost PURE troll bait, if you don't see that, then you should really spend more time on your communication skills and less on EVE. Best AG *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Nemeron The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:16:00 - [3] no no no
RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:19:00 - [4] no, no it was worse no see goons no see dev blogs no see expansions no that has always been there - a bit annoying but meh no not nuff said - was worse no no no no yes not a chance Join BIG
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:23:00 - [5] Originally by: RaTTuS no, no it was worse no see goons no see dev blogs no see expansions no that has always been there - a bit annoying but meh no not nuff said - was worse no no no no yes not a chance I rest my case ... thanks for that informative response
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: RaTTuS no, no it was worse no see goons no see dev blogs no see expansions no that has always been there - a bit annoying but meh no not nuff said - was worse no no no no yes not a chance I rest my case ... thanks for that informative response You rest your case by ignoring my response? I knew you didn't want to read but that's kinda extra lazy. *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:25:00 - [7] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 12/05/2011 16:25:57 Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: RaTTuS no, no it was worse no see goons no see dev blogs no see expansions no that has always been there - a bit annoying but meh no not nuff said - was worse no no no no yes not a chance I rest my case ... thanks for that informative response You rest your case by ignoring my response? I knew you didn't want to read but that's kinda extra lazy. Your response? You trolled - I dont feed the trolls..Im sorry that you struggle to have a grown up discussion
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:26:00 - [8] Edited by: Apollo Gabriel on 12/05/2011 16:27:03 I did NOT troll, please try again. look for the # comments. *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Zaratustra People of Random Nature	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:32:00 - [9] Eve needs the single universe, it's part of what's so great about it. Not every system has people, there are old powers to attempt to overthrow, there is a wide community with patches of population. If you add other universes, itll be excessively empty, boring, and you'll just be repeating the same things that will lead to new powerhouse alliances down the road... Only therre won't be as many challengers to those major alliances. Your idea is weapon's grade bull****. Think long term, and you'll see just how stupid this idea is.
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:38:00 - [10] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 12/05/2011 16:39:33 Originally by: Zaratustra Eve needs the single universe, it's part of what's so great about it. Not every system has people, there are old powers to attempt to overthrow, there is a wide community with patches of population. If you add other universes, itll be excessively empty, boring, and you'll just be repeating the same things that will lead to new powerhouse alliances down the road... Only therre won't be as many challengers to those major alliances. Your idea is weapon's grade bull****. Think long term, and you'll see just how stupid this idea is. long term? eve becomes a russian server, short term eve IS NOT retaining new players - longer time eve will be consumed by new space mmos, who know what they are doing - eve dies..answer your question. KEEP BURYING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND
Kristina Vanszar Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Kristina Vanszar on 12/05/2011 16:40:27 Sorry but this really matches now... WOW -> EVE is different, one universe, one sandbox, for everyone, that does not mean you can do what you want, it means you can do what you want if you can make someone elese not do what they want. BIG alliances meh.... you've got enough options, W-Space, joining the big alliances, staying in HS. I'm not sure but it seems you've missed the whole concept of eve. If you want a totally safe game without any bad expiriences, then eve is the wrong game for you. EDIT: to all the flamers: EVE is dieing the past 8 years already, and will for the next 8 years. o7
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Kristina Vanszar Sorry but this really matches now... WOW -> EVE is different, one universe, one sandbox, for everyone, that does not mean you can do what you want, it means you can do what you want if you can make someone elese not do what they want. BIG alliances meh.... you've got enough options, W-Space, joining the big alliances, staying in HS. I'm not sure but it seems you've missed the whole concept of eve. If you want a totally safe game without any bad expiriences, then eve is the wrong game for you. o7 i think you missed my whole point altogether. omg here we go agaaaainnn with the same old wow bull**** its boring.... everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason..funny you think that eve is the correct one, when infact its the odd one out..strange that isn it
Kristina Vanszar Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: Kristina Vanszar Sorry but this really matches now... WOW -> EVE is different, one universe, one sandbox, for everyone, that does not mean you can do what you want, it means you can do what you want if you can make someone elese not do what they want. BIG alliances meh.... you've got enough options, W-Space, joining the big alliances, staying in HS. I'm not sure but it seems you've missed the whole concept of eve. If you want a totally safe game without any bad expiriences, then eve is the wrong game for you. o7 i think you missed my whole point altogether. omg here we go agaaaainnn with the same old wow bull**** its boring.... everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason..funny you think that eve is the correct one, when infact its the odd one out..strange that isn it That's the point, becouse eve is different, from my point of view, eve is not an mmo, eve is an simulator for the chaos theory. which it bases on. the other mmos are mass products, designed to match as many peoples needs as possible a little bit. where eve is made to match for some people perfectly. why should ccp change a system that works for 8 years? that would be stupid. Where is the problem with one universe? becouse you have to actually work or take risks for benefit? your problem... Lag in 1000+ fleet fights? solution on the way. (Time delation)
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:47:00 - [14] Edited by: Calfis on 12/05/2011 16:48:24 1) Alliances that have been around for years have a massive advantage over new players and alliances. Already well established, have massive ISK income, have massive super fleets that new players now have to beg and pay to be part of all this? or even pay. If people tell me well alliances die all the time, Ill scream. Yes but the same old people are just recycled to create a new alliance of the same people, rinse and repeat. Ans: Yes alliances die and new ones have old players, where would you like the old players to go? They need to stop playing the game because they are older characters? 2)Older alliances did not have to compete with what is now 50K people online rather it was 8K or something, new players/alliances/corps now have this to contend with. Ans: Its not their fault they got their foot in the door first. 3) New alliances/corps/players cannot get access to the moon gold and riches because its controlled by the old players/corps/alliances. New Alliances = meaning newer players rather than new alliance/old players. So basically 0.0 is so entrenched and controlled that its impossible for new players/alliances/corps to have the same advantages. Ans: I'm a "new" player since my character is from 2010, if you invest a lot in PvP skill training you can easily join up with exiisting alliances and coalitions. 4) Is this why lag will never be fixed? Because there are simply too many people for one universe? Ans: Its not the universe that is the problem, its run on multiple servers, the lag issue happens when one server is handling too many requests because alliances like to load 2000 people into a single solar system to "win". I think there are viable ways around that like CCP's Time Dialation 5) Is this why nice quality features, more real world stuff in eve doesnt happen, and eve is just a dark dead place. because it will cause too much lag and the server cant cope. Ans: Eve is a dark deadly place because it is what CCP envisioned, you put people in an environment, take away RL morality and norms and you essentially have social Darwinism and "the state of nature" in null that means players bandwagon together for safety, sometimes into huge coalitions that can last years. That makes it as realistic as anything else in the real world IMO. 6) Is this why we have a stupid 30 second timer on stuff, because the server simply cant catch up being in one universe Ans: What 30 sec timer stuff are you talking about? Aggression? Fleet? I think that stuff is just to make sure ppl arent able to just escape other players too easily because that would make eve too safe and kinda ghey 7) Fleet fights - nuff said. Ans: Ive been known to enjoy fleet battles of a few hundred on each side. 8) Are we missing out on what eve could be, becuase its on one universe? Ans: Well what could it be? Or do you mean are we missing out on what YOU want it to be (i.e. every other vanilla MMO out there) 9) Are people missing out on experiencing what others have because of one universe. Ans: Again you are not talking specifics about this vague awesomeness that we are missing rather you are just trashing on the single shard idea because YOU dont like it 10) are we kidding ourselves thinking that EVE ONE SHARD universe can actually work? Isnt this why many other MMOS have more than one world you can play one? Are CCP trying to keep this 'Look we have a single universe game' plaque, and we amazing.. but infact as eve has constantly grown and this is just not feasible anymore? Ans: So basically you want to make EVE a generic WOW in space? You're not the first one and you won't be the last but Eve has done fine for 8 years on a single shard universe and it is awesome. What you are really saying is that unique is bad and we should just copy what everyone else is doing, I bet you were never really one for creativity during your school years? contin...
Martyr Theos The NecroMonger Faith	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:49:00 - [15] Edited by: Martyr Theos on 12/05/2011 16:54:46 To the OP... THIS IS YOUR SOLUTION... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509118 Get on that thread and advocate it. NOVA BOMBS AND LULZ FOR EVERYONE ! SHAKE UP THE OLD ORDER ! "Got License?" - TNMF
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas i think you missed my whole point altogether. omg here we go agaaaainnn with the same old wow bull**** its boring.... everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason..funny you think that eve is the correct one, when infact its the odd one out..strange that isn it Why do you need everything to be the same. Isnt it enough with all the other boring copies?
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Martyr Theos To the OP... THIS IS YOUR SOLUTION... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509118 Get on that thread and advocate it. wait, so your self-aggrandizing response to a thread about EvE being a single-shard universe is that we should allow individuals to do AOE damage? Are you high, simple, or just unable to see ANYTHING beyond your own, frail and limited ideas? and to the OP - people have provided answers IN THIS THREAD, you're just choosing to ignore/flame-bait/troll, presumably for the lulz? .
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Shawna Gray Originally by: Hermosa Diosas i think you missed my whole point altogether. omg here we go agaaaainnn with the same old wow bull**** its boring.... everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason..funny you think that eve is the correct one, when infact its the odd one out..strange that isn it Why do you need everything to be the same. Isnt it enough with all the other boring copies? probably cos i want a game that works..maybe i dont have that right when i pay for something..who knows - so whens jumpgate coming out again
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason..funny you think that eve is the correct one, when infact its the odd one out..strange that isn it a HUGE part of the reason I play EvE (and have played for 6 years) IS the single-shard server. I have played many other MMOG's where there are x number of cloned servers and achievements mean NOTHING because it's limited to you the y number of players on that server. EvE has a history that has been created by the players. Not exactly sure WHY you would want to change that? .
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:57:00 - [20] 11) Are people too stubborn to realise that eve cannot cope on a single universe? and cling onto this one universe this is my eve title Ans: Are you too stubborn to realize that CCP will never turn EVE into WOW? 12) Are we letting new players slip through our fingers because we simply dont offer them the safety and comfort of learning the game in safer universes Ans: If that is what they are looking for then they misread the description of EVE and they should look elsewhere, we have plenty of commited players already who aren't afraid of a game with a bit of rough individualism involved. 13) Shouldnt people have the option whether to carebear or pvp? Rather than not given the choice? In eve your part of pvp whether you want to or not..Meaning you can be attacked by anyone anywhere anytime.. Ans: Again you are asking "Shouldn't we make EVE like WOW in space?" or any other of the 99999999 hold-your-hand and hello-kitty online MMOs out there. There are already enough MMOs that do that if thats what a player wants, if anything we need more games like EVE. 14) is CCP really thinking about its player base and future of eve or is this really just a personal project Ans: You assume that the players and future of EVE are not in tune with CCP's original vision for EVE as a cold dark universe. Many of the players that have come and stayed in EVE stayed because of that cold dark universe (cuz other game devs are crowd pleasers that turn their MMOs into generic boring affairs). Honestly if I wanted a predictable PVE grind game I would have gone to WOW. Some of the most intense adrenaline filled moments I've ever had in a game was in EVE and in 0.0
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas long term? eve becomes a russian server, short term eve IS NOT retaining new players - longer time eve will be consumed by new space mmos, who know what they are doing - eve dies..answer your question. KEEP BURYING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND Erm... EVE IS retaining players and is in fact growing year on year...
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas probably cos i want a game that works..maybe i dont have that right when i pay for something..who knows - so whens jumpgate coming out again You pay for the right to take part in this unique universe, same as everyone else. Why should you have some sort of safety net if you don't have the bones to strike out and make it on your own? You are not the first person to try EVE, not like it, then decide it needs to fundamentally change to suit your needs. There are a lot of other MMOs out there that would suit you. Leave our niche alone
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas probably cos i want a game that works..maybe i dont have that right when i pay for something..who knows - so whens jumpgate coming out again It works better than all other mmo's as it is. Jumpgate is never coming out and would not be competition for EVE even if it did.
Martyr Theos The NecroMonger Faith	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: Martyr Theos To the OP... THIS IS YOUR SOLUTION... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509118 Get on that thread and advocate it. wait, so your self-aggrandizing response to a thread about EvE being a single-shard universe is that we should allow individuals to do AOE damage? Are you high, simple, or just unable to see ANYTHING beyond your own, frail and limited ideas? and to the OP - people have provided answers IN THIS THREAD, you're just choosing to ignore/flame-bait/troll, presumably for the lulz? ********* I assure you I am not the OP.. I don't even know him... but the NOVA BOMB would solve many of his issues "Got License?" - TNMF
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Martyr Theos Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: Martyr Theos To the OP... THIS IS YOUR SOLUTION... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509118 Get on that thread and advocate it. wait, so your self-aggrandizing response to a thread about EvE being a single-shard universe is that we should allow individuals to do AOE damage? Are you high, simple, or just unable to see ANYTHING beyond your own, frail and limited ideas? and to the OP - people have provided answers IN THIS THREAD, you're just choosing to ignore/flame-bait/troll, presumably for the lulz? ********* I assure you I am not the OP.. I don't even know him... but the NOVA BOMB would solve many of his issues Go back and read it again, I didn't say or imply you were the OP - however, again, your limited idea does NOT solve his concerns in the least. Are you sure you even understand this discussion? .
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Shawna Gray Originally by: Hermosa Diosas probably cos i want a game that works..maybe i dont have that right when i pay for something..who knows - so whens jumpgate coming out again It works better than all other mmo's as it is. Jumpgate is never coming out and would not be competition for EVE even if it did. Why do you keep believing this tripe? on both accounts?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Your response? You trolled No. He responded to your points, saying that they were all false. And he's right. Not a single statement you made had any basis in reality, and is trivially disproven by simply looking at the history of EVE. 1. Alliances that have been around for years have been destroyed. 2. Older alliances had to compete against higher relative numbers than today's alliances. 3. New alliances can and do gain access to moon goo. 4. Lag has been fixed. Many many times. That's why fights are now as big as they are. 5. New stuff is being introduced constantly. 6. No. 7. No, not 'nuff said. What about fleet fights? 8. Not really, no. What else could it be and still be EVE? 9. No, they're missing out because they choose to. 10. It does work, so no kidding is required. 11. No. 12. New players have it easier than ever. 13. Certainly not. That would break the game. 14. You seem to be suggesting that there is a dichotomy between the twoà There isn't. Quote: everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason The reason is "because they can" ù because those games have nothing to gain from being single-server, so they can shard at their hearts' delight and reap the benefits. EVE is not that kind of game, and it reaps its benefits from not being sharded. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kristina Vanszar Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:05:00 - [28] To make it clear to the OP: me and for sure 90 % of people here want a game where there is the possibility of getting nuked FOR NO REASON IN SAFE space. AND having the chance of NUKING SOMEONE FOR NO REASON. that's the shortest description i can provide why i love this game.
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: Shawna Gray Originally by: Hermosa Diosas probably cos i want a game that works..maybe i dont have that right when i pay for something..who knows - so whens jumpgate coming out again It works better than all other mmo's as it is. Jumpgate is never coming out and would not be competition for EVE even if it did. Why do you keep believing this tripe? on both accounts? Why do you keep peddling your tripe?
Nizran L'Crit	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:05:00 - [30] Watch the CCP Fanfaire presentation, every year EVE has more paid users currently at like 240k or something like that and starting at 60k. If CCP is content with increases like that, who are you to criticize what they do. They're making money, getting more users yearly, your complaints obviously don't matter because, while there is a lot of fail in EVE, overall, it is pure win. Sorry to be harsh, but if you want to be negative about what the developers are doing, go to another game. I know you wont, because EVE is just too much win. TL;DR We don't need more of this BS polluting the forums, if you don't like the developers vision, make your god#$%$ed game and make it how you want.
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:06:00 - [31] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 12/05/2011 17:07:05 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Your response? You trolled No. He responded to your points, saying that they were all false. And he's right. Not a single statement you made had any basis in reality, and is trivially disproven by simply looking at the history of EVE. 1. Alliances that have been around for years have been destroyed. 2. Older alliances had to compete against higher relative numbers than today's alliances. 3. New alliances can and do gain access to moon goo. 4. Lag has been fixed. Many many times. That's why fights are now as big as they are. 5. New stuff is being introduced constantly. 6. No. 7. No, not 'nuff said. What about fleet fights? 8. Not really, no. What else could it be and still be EVE? 9. No, they're missing out because they choose to. 10. It does work, so no kidding is required. 11. No. 12. New players have it easier than ever. 13. Certainly not. That would break the game. 14. You seem to be suggesting that there is a dichotomy between the twoà There isn't. Quote: everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason The reason is "because they can" ù because those games have nothing to gain from being single-server, so they can shard at their hearts' delight and reap the benefits. EVE is not that kind of game, and it reaps its benefits from not being sharded. Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum.. # New players have it easier than ever. Are you really that stupid? Its funny that eve has stayed stagnant for along time now..even with ccps massive advertising campaigns, and gettin on steam etc.. People join when a new expansion comes out and immediately leave after the trial - this is a simple fact - everyone get your damn heads out of the sand..damn ccp fanbois every single point you made is utter rubbish
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:07:00 - [32] OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss. *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:12:00 - [33] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss. Dont think you need a responcem happy to discuss but thetrolls as usual stopped that. All i have proven here is as usual, the eve forum community are incapable of having a normal discussion..thats all...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:12:00 - [34] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum.. Correcting your blatant display of ignorance is not trolling. Quote: # New players have it easier than ever. Are you really that stupid? You mean apart from the vastly improved starting conditions? Apart from the vastly improved learning tools? Apart from the vastly improved availability ofà everything? Apart form the vastly improved means of getting going? No, I'm not. Quote: People join when a new expansion comes out and immediately leave after the trial - this is a simple fact First of all, how is that a fact? Second of all, even if it is, so what? Quote: every single point you made is utter rubbish I notice you utterly failed to address any of them and instead had to go straight for the ad hominemsà So I take it you agree with me 100%, seeing as how you couldn't muster any kind of reasonable argument other than the simplest of all fallacies. Thank you for your support. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss. You are right, anyone who disagrees with making EVE "Generic MMO Online" is automatically trolling, pushing crap, ccp fanboys etc. He refuses to address the fundamental point that the reason EVE has lasted for so long as a niche is because enough players who do like a tough game world do pay for subs every year. Being unique is the same as being stagnant apparantly. And not making a game that holds your hand means you are doing it wrong. Also confirming that if WOW had 1 day where it was like EVE the OP would die in a fire because he can't last a day without someone holding his hand.
Sonya Kranz	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: Apollo Gabriel OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss. Dont think you need a responcem happy to discuss but thetrolls as usual stopped that. All i have proven here is as usual, the eve forum community are incapable of having a normal discussion..thats all... I kind of wonder what game you play, but its defenitely not EVE oh and accusing everyone who doesnt agree with your arguements of trolling doesnt make you look any better either.
Gibbeous Moon	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:16:00 - [37] If EVE had more than one Universe then it would lose its appeal straight off. In games like WoW or EQ having more than one universe meant that Interesting Things Happening never got around the player base. Imagine Incursion over dozens of universes; it wouldn't have worked. A universe wouldn't have a player-led story but a CCP led one and that would change the nature of the game completely. If CCP changed the game so that there were more than one universe then I'll be looking for a new game.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas ~~Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum.~~ You're proving me wrong, therefore I will call you a troll. That's what you really mean now isn't it. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Calfis Originally by: Apollo Gabriel OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss. You are right, anyone who disagrees with making EVE "Generic MMO Online" is automatically trolling, pushing crap, ccp fanboys etc. He refuses to address the fundamental point that the reason EVE has lasted for so long as a niche is because enough players who do like a tough game world do pay for subs every year. Being unique is the same as being stagnant apparantly. And not making a game that holds your hand means you are doing it wrong. Also confirming that if WOW had 1 day where it was like EVE the OP would die in a fire because he can't last a day without someone holding his hand. lol the funny thing is i have been playing eve for 8 years constantly!! lmfao... ive seen eve from only have a few thousand players online to now, seen it go through its many changes and you know what it snot for the better but i have the balls to say hey what if...and think like most of you that eve is the be all and end all...when its clearly not.. and if you want to go on this silly eve v wow crusade then wow = 12 million subs eve = 300,000 (not rising) see the difference? your in the minority by a long way!
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:22:00 - [40] There is nothing about this game that requires you be better . Its the journey not the destination... you don't need to control 0.0 or have more sp etc to improve your position monthly, and plenty of newer players have joined established corporations and alliances and risen to the very top of huge organziations within a coulple years(and even if you started from scrath with an open field it would take that long to ammass those corp's resources and membership stablity) If you're not extrondiary at managing people or organaizations, or amazing at things that don't require sp but game skills associated with a player like abilty to FC (making quick accurate decisions, speaking clearly, not ****ing people off who don't deserver it too often so people keep coming back if you're canny enough to get them kills), or an amazing logistics person who likes maintaing forum api's , doing spreadsheets for pos refueling etc.. you're not going to get anywhere in a lasting way with or without a clean slate. I'm not goint to get anywhere in that regard, but I was good and enjoyed trading and have ammassed a bit in that regard ... being able to buy a titan, (well didnt' buy one yet), a Titan pilot and still have that much again to continue trading with after 2 years would put me in a pretty competitive postition with most of the players who'd played 5 or moer years .. you can "catch up" but again the fun was in the journey, not the destination.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:22:00 - [41] Originally by: Mag's Originally by: Hermosa Diosas ~~Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum.~~ You're proving me wrong, therefore I will call you a troll. That's what you really mean now isn't it. Tippia is a troll but almost always right
FeralShadow NME1	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:23:00 - [42] Originally by: Kristina Vanszar To make it clear to the OP: me and for sure 90 % of people here want a game where there is the possibility of getting nuked FOR NO REASON IN SAFE space. AND having the chance of NUKING SOMEONE FOR NO REASON. that's the shortest description i can provide why i love this game. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this Also: JGE has been confirmed to be vaporware (it's never gonna happen) _______________________________________________ "If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:24:00 - [43] Originally by: Mag's Originally by: Hermosa Diosas ~~Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum.~~ You're proving me wrong, therefore I will call you a troll. That's what you really mean now isn't it. Errr no - sorry i think i meant what i said..ill just keep throwing these back..keep poasting..
Kristina Vanszar Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: Calfis Originally by: Apollo Gabriel OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss. You are right, anyone who disagrees with making EVE "Generic MMO Online" is automatically trolling, pushing crap, ccp fanboys etc. He refuses to address the fundamental point that the reason EVE has lasted for so long as a niche is because enough players who do like a tough game world do pay for subs every year. Being unique is the same as being stagnant apparantly. And not making a game that holds your hand means you are doing it wrong. Also confirming that if WOW had 1 day where it was like EVE the OP would die in a fire because he can't last a day without someone holding his hand. lol the funny thing is i have been playing eve for 8 years constantly!! lmfao... ive seen eve from only have a few thousand players online to now, seen it go through its many changes and you know what it snot for the better but i have the balls to say hey what if...and think like most of you that eve is the be all and end all...when its clearly not.. and if you want to go on this silly eve v wow crusade then wow = 12 million subs eve = 300,000 (not rising) see the difference? your in the minority by a long way! Corrected for public: WOW = 12 million ( aprox IQ: 85) EVE = 300,000 (rising, aprox IQ: 125) So IQ wise we are better....
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:26:00 - [45] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas wow = 12 million subs and dropping (600K lost so far this year) eve = well over 300,000 and growing Fixed.
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:26:00 - [46] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Mag's Originally by: Hermosa Diosas ~~Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum.~~ You're proving me wrong, therefore I will call you a troll. That's what you really mean now isn't it. Tippia is a troll but almost always right Not this time, couldnt be further from the truth
Virtue Maulerant	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas random wow kid whine What a stupid ****.
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: Calfis Originally by: Apollo Gabriel OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss. You are right, anyone who disagrees with making EVE "Generic MMO Online" is automatically trolling, pushing crap, ccp fanboys etc. He refuses to address the fundamental point that the reason EVE has lasted for so long as a niche is because enough players who do like a tough game world do pay for subs every year. Being unique is the same as being stagnant apparantly. And not making a game that holds your hand means you are doing it wrong. Also confirming that if WOW had 1 day where it was like EVE the OP would die in a fire because he can't last a day without someone holding his hand. lol the funny thing is i have been playing eve for 8 years constantly!! lmfao... ive seen eve from only have a few thousand players online to now, seen it go through its many changes and you know what it snot for the better but i have the balls to say hey what if...and think like most of you that eve is the be all and end all...when its clearly not.. and if you want to go on this silly eve v wow crusade then wow = 12 million subs eve = 300,000 (not rising) see the difference? your in the minority by a long way! Well then why don't you post with the awesome character you have been playing on for the past 8 years? Spent all the time in high sec did ya? Again you are proving that you do in fact lack ideas because you are just saying instead of trying to do something different EVE should copy a popular MMO for the sake of taking in masses of carebears because taking in masses of carebears who want to play a safe game is what every MMO should strive to do. Lets limit choice and making everything generic. Lets be crowd pleasers, amirite? Isn't this what you have been arguing all along? Lets be honest here, this is really what you are saying isn't it?
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:29:00 - [49] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Hermosa Diosas wow = 12 million subs and dropping (600K lost so far this year) eve = well over 300,000 and growing Fixed. lol its not growing, why state that - its simply NOT true...even the eve report stated it stayed fairly stagnant.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:29:00 - [50] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Mag's Originally by: Hermosa Diosas ~~Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum.~~ You're proving me wrong, therefore I will call you a troll. That's what you really mean now isn't it. Tippia is a troll but almost always right Not this time, couldnt be further from the truth If you did even a little research then you would find out how wrong you are.
Kristina Vanszar Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:31:00 - [51] Edited by: Kristina Vanszar on 12/05/2011 17:31:29 Edited by: Kristina Vanszar on 12/05/2011 17:31:01 Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Hermosa Diosas wow = 12 million subs and dropping (600K lost so far this year) eve = well over 300,000 and growing Fixed. lol its not growing, why state that - its simply NOT true...even the eve report stated it stayed fairly stagnant. So the jump in 2010 from 200 to 300 k accounts has not happend!? OMG CCP FOOLED US WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE; RUN AWAY!
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas lol its not growing, why state that - its simply NOT true...even the eve report stated it stayed fairly stagnant. So new players are replace ones that are leaving, sounds about right to me. There are countries that wish they had a population that is as stable as this. Issue arise because populations are growing too much or dropping, by remaining stable you are sustainable.
Virtue Maulerant	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:32:00 - [53] Tippia and Calfis seem to be in an massive pwnage state.And yeah...where's your 8 year old main?
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:33:00 - [54] Originally by: Calfis Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: Calfis Originally by: Apollo Gabriel OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss. You are right, anyone who disagrees with making EVE "Generic MMO Online" is automatically trolling, pushing crap, ccp fanboys etc. He refuses to address the fundamental point that the reason EVE has lasted for so long as a niche is because enough players who do like a tough game world do pay for subs every year. Being unique is the same as being stagnant apparantly. And not making a game that holds your hand means you are doing it wrong. Also confirming that if WOW had 1 day where it was like EVE the OP would die in a fire because he can't last a day without someone holding his hand. lol the funny thing is i have been playing eve for 8 years constantly!! lmfao... ive seen eve from only have a few thousand players online to now, seen it go through its many changes and you know what it snot for the better but i have the balls to say hey what if...and think like most of you that eve is the be all and end all...when its clearly not.. and if you want to go on this silly eve v wow crusade then wow = 12 million subs eve = 300,000 (not rising) see the difference? your in the minority by a long way! Well then why don't you post with the awesome character you have been playing on for the past 8 years? Spent all the time in high sec did ya? Again you are proving that you do in fact lack ideas because you are just saying instead of trying to do something different EVE should copy a popular MMO for the sake of taking in masses of carebears because taking in masses of carebears who want to play a safe game is what every MMO should strive to do. Lets limit choice and making everything generic. Lets be crowd pleasers, amirite? Isn't this what you have been arguing all along? Lets be honest here, this is really what you are saying isn't it? Couldnt be further from the truth..posting with my alt - cos thats what everyone else does itsnt it..might as well fit in.. So im a PURE pvper, lived and fought in low sec, pirated, been part of many of the big alliances, fought in major 0.0 wars ermmm shall i continue. I really dont understand why me just asking about whther eve can survive has anything to do with what you have just stated.. its a simple question, where i hoped it was possible to have a normal discussion...but in eve thats not possible is it..because all the 13 year olds jump on and act like tw@ts... I was actually asking a rather intellec question...guess it was a little too much for most of you to understand, rather than emo rage to...little weird..
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:34:00 - [55] Edited by: Tippia on 12/05/2011 17:35:39 Originally by: Hermosa Diosas but i have the balls to say hey what if... àso why don't you make that thread instead? There is no "what if" in your OP ù just a bunch of trivially disproven "facts" and insinuations. Quote: and if you want to go on this silly eve v wow crusade then wow = 12 million subs eve = 300,000 (not rising) First of all, false. Second of all, which has the better food: McD's or Alain Ducasse? Quote: see the difference? your in the minority by a long way! So? The game is aimed at a specific niche ù what does that have to do with anything? Quote: Not this time, couldnt be further from the truth Prove it. You haven't offered a shred of evidence to support your claims, nor have you provided any reasoning for your insinuations. Instead, you have responded with personal attacks and evasions of the question you raisedà You claim you want to say "what ifà", so do so. Present your case. Argue your stance. Stop evading the discussion you claim you want and start responding to the questions and counter-claims others make. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Jokerface666 Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:36:00 - [56] Kristina Vanszar here, that's my main. epeen on the desk boys. No the problem is, that you have stated from the beginning, that eve is failign for 8 years dude.... that everything is wrong here and you know better, and when people say why they think that is not true, you are calling them trolls, or are ignoring there posts. w00t w00t wtfpwnage train
Nizran L'Crit	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:38:00 - [57] In the comparative Market, WoW has about 5 million subs, many of which are 2-box or more. Granted the same can be said for eve on the 2-box front. The rest of those 12 million subs are in Asia through a completely different company and they pay per hour or minute or something like that and their average monthly is 7 dollars. Comparing EVE to WoW is beside the point though. CCP is MAKING money, how much doesn't matter, they are content with the improvements to the game, every year subs DO increase, maybe not a ton, but they do increase so they are showing positive growth. I can guarantee that if they ran multiple universes, not only would a lot of people quit, but it would also cost them money to de-centralize. Not gonna happen and none of your arguments, to me, are worth having them change the entire direction of the game. TL;DR - Bad troll is bad.
Hesperius	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:42:00 - [58] Edited by: Hesperius on 12/05/2011 17:42:18 1) Yes, for the most part different groups are recycled with different names. 2) Sure, but that is a two way street. You couldn't pick up T2 modules for a million isk a pop back then either. 3) Yes. You need a proper super carrier blob if you want a good moon and hold it. 4 - 9) no, you don't seem to understand how it works. 10) It is working. Creating a single server this big is no small task, it is actually a complicated system. Most MMOs avoid it because it is easier to splinter your users onto different servers rather than to listen to them ***** and innovate new solutions. You should be thankful for the technology CCP is cooking up. 11) Are you too stubborn to realize it is coping just fine? Perhaps if you dislike the way things are you could push for a different solution rather than a brick headed one? 12) Yes. However Eve is a game that fills niche. It is hardcore. I shall repeat, IT IS HARDCORE. Let me illustrate, <-- Easy --- Hard --> You Have to Burn The Rope - WoW & other such MMO's - Online RTS & FPS - (Large void of missing difficulty) - Eve - Russian Roulette 13) You do have that option, however that option is what game you chose to play. If you chose to play Eve, you need to be aware that you are entering into a world competitive players. 14) If Eve were my creation and I were to answer this, I would say "It is our personal project and you can choose to play it or not." I think you have a preconceived notion of what you want out of this game and you are upset that it is not fulfilling your misunderstandings. If you can hang in Eve then maybe one day you will be able to, and you should come back then. If you can come to terms that this game is not easy, then best of luck to you to find your way to fortune and victory on the battlefield.
krickettt Golden Orb Technology inc EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:42:00 - [59] Very nice intellec questions. I too would like to know your main, to see this pure pvp character. Also, who cares if we have a smaller population than WoW does. Science Fiction has never been more popular than other mainstream crap. I want to see your proof that EVE is suffering from it's one world state. Lag in large fleet fights is pilot generated for the most part. As far as I'm concerned, the only troll I've seen ITT is you.
Nizran L'Crit	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:43:00 - [60] Whats funny is that Joker inadvertently proved the point that the niche market is going strong. He has just under 100 PVP kills and he is sitting at just under ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND rank. Hmm.....yet again, I say, if you really have issues with the core of this game, sounds like you need to do one of two things.. 1) Make a development company and your own game. 2) Go to another MMO Neither of these will happen because you can't even discuss an issue unless everyone agrees with you much less run a development company and the big one... Wait for it.... THERE IS NO OTHER GAME LIKE EVEO! THXKBAI!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:44:00 - [61] Originally by: Hesperius 12) Yes. However Eve is a game that fills niche. It is hardcore. I shall repeat, IT IS HARDCORE. Let me illustrate, <-- Easy --- Hard --> You Have to Burn The Rope - WoW & other such MMO's - Online RTS & FPS - (Large void of missing difficulty) - Eve - Russian Roulette That's not really fair, is it. Russian Roulette is supremely easyà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Traejun DiSanctis Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:45:00 - [62] @OP: I think some of the concerns you are bringing up are valid. They just aren't issues right now. With the average activity generally hovering between 30-60k people, with the high end being rare and the low end being during EU off-peak hours, I'd seeing about 40k online at any given time as a good average number. At those levels, there aren't a whole lot of problems. If the game gets more popular. If we start seeing 75-100k on at any given time. If you start to move more people out of HiSec and into low- and nul-sec. At that point, you will have a problem. One that will ultimately have to be resolved by instancing or opening another live server.
Jokerface666 Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:47:00 - [63] Originally by: Nizran L'Crit Whats funny is that Joker inadvertently proved the point that the niche market is going strong. He has just under 100 PVP kills and he is sitting at just under ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND rank. Hmm.....yet again, I say, if you really have issues with the core of this game, sounds like you need to do one of two things.. 1) Make a development company and your own game. 2) Go to another MMO Neither of these will happen because you can't even discuss an issue unless everyone agrees with you much less run a development company and the big one... Wait for it.... THERE IS NO OTHER GAME LIKE EVEO! THXKBAI! You battleclinic dweller :-D like i said, i love the ability to nuke and get nuked FOR ABSOLUTLY NO FREAKING REASON BY ANYONE ANYWHERE! that's eve, it is hard it is strange, it is kind real. i hate the statement eve is real, but somehow it is real. w00t w00t wtfpwnage train
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:49:00 - [64] Originally by: Jokerface666 Originally by: Nizran L'Crit Whats funny is that Joker inadvertently proved the point that the niche market is going strong. He has just under 100 PVP kills and he is sitting at just under ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND rank. Hmm.....yet again, I say, if you really have issues with the core of this game, sounds like you need to do one of two things.. 1) Make a development company and your own game. 2) Go to another MMO Neither of these will happen because you can't even discuss an issue unless everyone agrees with you much less run a development company and the big one... Wait for it.... THERE IS NO OTHER GAME LIKE EVEO! THXKBAI! You battleclinic dweller :-D like i said, i love the ability to nuke and get nuked FOR ABSOLUTLY NO FREAKING REASON BY ANYONE ANYWHERE! that's eve, it is hard it is strange, it is kind real. i hate the statement eve is real, but somehow it is real. EVE Online. The only game where you can be a terrorist
Jokerface666 Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:50:00 - [65] Edited by: Jokerface666 on 12/05/2011 17:52:54 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Jokerface666 Originally by: Nizran L'Crit Whats funny is that Joker inadvertently proved the point that the niche market is going strong. He has just under 100 PVP kills and he is sitting at just under ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND rank. Hmm.....yet again, I say, if you really have issues with the core of this game, sounds like you need to do one of two things.. 1) Make a development company and your own game. 2) Go to another MMO Neither of these will happen because you can't even discuss an issue unless everyone agrees with you much less run a development company and the big one... Wait for it.... THERE IS NO OTHER GAME LIKE EVEO! THXKBAI! You battleclinic dweller :-D like i said, i love the ability to nuke and get nuked FOR ABSOLUTLY NO FREAKING REASON BY ANYONE ANYWHERE! that's eve, it is hard it is strange, it is kind real. i hate the statement eve is real, but somehow it is real. EVE Online. The only game where you can be a terrorist Like a mix of chaos theory, taliban boot camp, russian roulette, and poker, with tons of alcohol. i'm loving it :-D w00t w00t wtfpwnage train
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:57:00 - [66] Originally by: Jokerface666 i'm loving it :-D Oh great! Now you've completely ruined my "EVE is not like McD's" analogyà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Jokerface666 Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:59:00 - [67] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jokerface666 i'm loving it :-D Oh great! Now you've completely ruined my "EVE is not like McD's" analogyà "Shall we pod him?" "Just do it!" better tippia? :-D w00t w00t wtfpwnage train
Hesperius	Posted - 2011.05.12 18:05:00 - [68] Originally by: Tippia <-- Easy --- Hard --> You Have to Burn The Rope - WoW & other such MMO's - Online RTS & FPS - (Large void of missing difficulty) - Eve - Russian Roulette That's not really fair, is it. Russian Roulette is supremely easyà You have balls of steel for saying that. Personally I'm not hardcore enough to play it. The difficulty is not always in the game mechanics (there are much more challenging games than Eve in that aspect) but sometimes the penalty for losing. Is this where I congratulate you on your victory?
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 18:07:00 - [69] Edited by: Calfis on 12/05/2011 18:07:01 Originally by: Hermosa Diosas So im a PURE pvper, lived and fought in low sec, pirated, been part of many of the big alliances, fought in major 0.0 wars ermmm shall i continue. You certainly don't post like one, most "old" players who share the kind of views you do have long left the game before they could be considered "old" players. One really wonders that if your claims are true why you are even still playing this game... I mean you make it sound terrible so really why is your older character still here? More than likely you are simply making claims about being a pure PVPer in a poor attempt to bolster flawed arguments. Because you have been doing nothing but argue against pvp. Part of the thing that makes EVE pvp unique is that its not instanced or scheduled, it just happens and you have to deal with it. Some people deal with it better than others, you don't post like someone who deals with it well at all. Also I am not posting with an alt, I have only been playing EVE for over a year and the thing the drew me to it seems to be everything that you want to change. I'm not afraid of people going after me in game either
Jokerface666 Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.12 18:11:00 - [70] Edited by: Jokerface666 on 12/05/2011 18:11:51 to the OP: choose or leave http://imageshack.us/f/824/evesecs.jpg/ EDIT: i've added w-space, to keep it up to date. w00t w00t wtfpwnage train
Virtue Maulerant	Posted - 2011.05.12 18:12:00 - [71] Originally by: krickettt Very nice intellec questions. I too would like to know your main, to see this pure pvp character. Also, who cares if we have a smaller population than WoW does. Science Fiction has never been more popular than other mainstream crap. I want to see your proof that EVE is suffering from it's one world state. Lag in large fleet fights is pilot generated for the most part. As far as I'm concerned, the only troll I've seen ITT is you. This. The OP is so funny.
Hailey Sonata Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.12 18:26:00 - [72] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas I have to ask, because I do feel this is the cause of many problems in eve. Consider some of the issues.. 1) Alliances that have been around for years have a massive advantage over new players and alliances. Already well established, have massive ISK income, have massive super fleets that new players now have to beg and pay to be part of all this? or even pay. If people tell me well alliances die all the time, Ill scream. Yes but the same old people are just recycled to create a new alliance of the same people, rinse and repeat. 2)Older alliances did not have to compete with what is now 50K people online rather it was 8K or something, new players/alliances/corps now have this to contend with. 3) New alliances/corps/players cannot get access to the moon gold and riches because its controlled by the old players/corps/alliances. New Alliances = meaning newer players rather than new alliance/old players. So basically 0.0 is so entrenched and controlled that its impossible for new players/alliances/corps to have the same advantages. 4) Is this why lag will never be fixed? Because there are simply too many people for one universe? 5) Is this why nice quality features, more real world stuff in eve doesnt happen, and eve is just a dark dead place. because it will cause too much lag and the server cant cope. 6) Is this why we have a stupid 30 second timer on stuff, because the server simply cant catch up being in one universe 7) Fleet fights - nuff said. 8) Are we missing out on what eve could be, becuase its on one universe? 9) Are people missing out on experiencing what others have because of one universe. 10) are we kidding ourselves thinking that EVE ONE SHARD universe can actually work? Isnt this why many other MMOS have more than one world you can play one? Are CCP trying to keep this 'Look we have a single universe game' plaque, and we amazing.. but infact as eve has constantly grown and this is just not feasible anymore? 11) Are people too stubborn to realise that eve cannot cope on a single universe? and cling onto this one universe this is my eve title 12) Are we letting new players slip through our fingers because we simply dont offer them the safety and comfort of learning the game in safer universes 13) Shouldnt people have the option whether to carebear or pvp? Rather than not given the choice? In eve your part of pvp whether you want to or not..Meaning you can be attacked by anyone anywhere anytime.. 14) is CCP really thinking about its player base and future of eve or is this really just a personal project These are just a small amount of points on this issue, would be for once good to have a serious discussion on this...sadly im sure the trolls will be feeding... 0/10
Zaratustra People of Random Nature	Posted - 2011.05.12 18:46:00 - [73] To address your statement: all other mmos have multiple shard servers, there is a reason for this My answer: maybe because their server setup isn't able to carry the load of everyone on one server. Notice how large fleet battles lag a system to no end? The eve universe is branched out enough, and setup so that there aren't huge crowds of people. My other answer: the worlds they set up logistically can't handle everyone being on one server due to not enough spawns. Our universe is HUGE, not limited by terrain, and can support spawns for tons of people per system due to the huge and vast nature of the "maps" Use your brain, kid, for something other than trolling. Common sense will serve you better than stupidity
Hesperius	Posted - 2011.05.12 19:14:00 - [74] Originally by: Jokerface666 to the OP: choose or leave http://imageshack.us/f/824/evesecs.jpg/ EDIT: i've added w-space, to keep it up to date. That doesn't seem to have a solid understanding, like its creator had never been to low sec to understand it. Try this one: http://i.imgur.com/ei5WT.jpg
Eolithic WithaTwist Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.05.12 19:32:00 - [75] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas I have to ask, because I do feel this is the cause of many problems in eve. Consider some of the issues.. 1) Alliances that have been around for years have a massive advantage over new players and alliances. Already well established, have massive ISK income, have massive super fleets that new players now have to beg and pay to be part of all this? or even pay. If people tell me well alliances die all the time, Ill scream. Yes but the same old people are just recycled to create a new alliance of the same people, rinse and repeat. Alliances die all the time. ------------------------------------------- La Mano Arriba, Cintura Sola, Da Media Vuelta, Danza Kuduro! No Te Canses Ahora, Que Esto S=lo Empieza, Mueve La Cabeza, Danza Kuduro!
Daniela Darr	Posted - 2011.05.12 19:59:00 - [76] Edited by: Daniela Darr on 12/05/2011 20:06:26 Originally by: Hermosa Diosas 4) Is this why lag will never be fixed? Because there are simply too many people for one universe? Well that's not because of the number of players on the server - it's because CCP decided they rather have big lagfests than small controlled battles, by the numbers > all principle. One way or another they don't do anything to make numbers less viable, like AoE or other mechanics. Zerg is the way to go in EVE. The consequence: blobs and lag. Quote: are we kidding ourselves thinking that EVE ONE SHARD universe can actually work? Isnt this why many other MMOS have more than one world you can play one? Are CCP trying to keep this 'Look we have a single universe game' plaque, and we amazing.. but infact as eve has constantly grown and this is just not feasible anymore? It has its pros and cons. The EVE universe has expanded a few times though, we got more systems and constellations and don't forget Wormholes. I don't have the feeling that TQ is "full" although it's not empty either. This feeling is also reinforced by the fact that there's just a few trade hubs, jump stuff makes the universe a lot smaller, no incentive to go to lowsec, choke points in nullsec and just a few viable L4 agents and unbalanced LP stores make everyone pack themselves into the same few systems to name a few other reasons. Though I must admit that the prospect of a new server where everyone will start equally with zero SP has it attractiveness. Not because the limited numbers but because nothing is established yet; a t1 cruiser will still be a strong ship for quite a while; with the T2 and T3 things and everyone having better and better skills over time, the requirements for new players has increased over time on TQ. I can imagine it's not always that much fun starting anew with so many people flying around in supercarriers, while you could conquer a part of null with a small BS fleet in a new situation. If CCP would start a fresh server I'm sure a lot of people would join it. Especially new players.
Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov	Posted - 2011.05.12 20:02:00 - [77] Originally by: Hesperius Originally by: Jokerface666 to the OP: choose or leave http://imageshack.us/f/824/evesecs.jpg/ EDIT: i've added w-space, to keep it up to date. That doesn't seem to have a solid understanding, like its creator had never been to low sec to understand it. Try this one: http://i.imgur.com/ei5WT.jpg Yes, this one is indeed better.
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 20:54:00 - [78] As to lag, if CCP did instanced 40 on 40 combat ala Alterac Valley (been a long time since I played wow, I think taht is the name), then you'd have nice smooth fights. Since they allow hundreds vs hundreds spontaneously ... it is harder. *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 21:04:00 - [79] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel As to lag, if CCP did instanced 40 on 40 combat ala Alterac Valley (been a long time since I played wow, I think taht is the name), then you'd have nice smooth fights. Since they allow hundreds vs hundreds spontaneously ... it is harder. But then it would be instanced combat rather than spontaneous Also please see the alliance tourny
Barbelo Valentinian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.12 21:14:00 - [80] Originally by: Daniela Darr Though I must admit that the prospect of a new server where everyone will start equally with zero SP has it attractiveness. Not because the limited numbers but because nothing is established yet; a t1 cruiser will still be a strong ship for quite a while; with the T2 and T3 things and the average player having better and better skills, the requirements for new players has increased a lot over time on TQ. I can imagine it's not always that much fun starting anew with so many people flying around in supercarriers, while you could conquer a part of null with a small BS fleet in a new situation. If CCP would start a fresh server I'm sure a lot of people would join it. Especially new players. I think that's true. The EVE universe is sort of stodgy now, in a way, kind of played out, and not very attractive to new players in the sense of "carving out your destiny" as it was originally. You could have some sort of hokum like a special gate opened, controlled by all the factions, and new immigrants starting from scratch in a new world (much like a repeat of the original lore idea - a New New Eden). I wouldn't be at all surprised if something like that were in the pipeline. On the technical side of things, I don't think I've ever seen a time (since 2007 when I first joined) when people haven't complained about lag in large fleet action. Is this just an unfortunate byproduct of the single server thing? Or just an insurmountable technical difficulty that any MMO would have difficulty with? My sketchy understanding of EVE tech is that it's all heavily instanced anyway ("space" or "rooms" just opens up ad hoc around objects) so it shouldn't matter that it's all on a single server really, should it? Dunno, but it might be interesting to hear pros and cons from the techy bods here. ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.05.12 22:12:00 - [81] I agree totally with the OP CCP should make another sharded server, and put the OP on it so he can play EVE without being bothered by PvP and lag etc The forums should also be sharded for him ...oh wait Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Calfis Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.12 22:15:00 - [82] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau I agree totally with the OP CCP should make another sharded server, and put the OP on it so he can play EVE without being bothered by PvP and lag etc The forums should also be sharded for him Brilliant, I second this motion.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.05.12 22:24:00 - [83] Originally by: Nizran L'Crit In the comparative Market, WoW has about 5 million subs, many of which are 2-box or more. Granted the same can be said for eve on the 2-box front. The rest of those 12 million subs are in Asia through a completely different company and they pay per hour or minute or something like that and their average monthly is 7 dollars. Comparing EVE to WoW is beside the point though. CCP is MAKING money, how much doesn't matter, they are content with the improvements to the game, every year subs DO increase, maybe not a ton, but they do increase so they are showing positive growth. I can guarantee that if they ran multiple universes, not only would a lot of people quit, but it would also cost them money to de-centralize. Not gonna happen and none of your arguments, to me, are worth having them change the entire direction of the game. TL;DR - Bad troll is bad. I would add that comparing EVE to the very biggest (in terms of number of players that have or do currently play) mmo by far in the western market is really not really telling about whehter it is successful or not. It's like comparing any movie to Star Wars or Gone with the Wind in terms of historical box office tickets sold and market penetration. Compare Eve to a game at the 90% percentile instead of the 99.5% mark and I'm sure the contrast is far less stark
Amber Accelerando	Posted - 2011.05.12 22:33:00 - [84] TL:DR. & NO
Di Mulle	Posted - 2011.05.12 22:41:00 - [85] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas [ everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason..funny you think that eve is the correct one, when infact its the odd one out..strange that isn it Everyone other has, and they aren't exactly bad or good for it. Bad are people, who think everyone should march uniformed in some Pyongyang square. Other games are doing their stuff, EVE is doing its'. Simple.
Tel'me Am Peur	Posted - 2011.05.12 22:59:00 - [86] I'm real bored waiting for someone to shoot back in Vale, so what the hell. 1. This point is throw around on a regular basis, the critical mistake is in assuming CCP promotes the continuity of lazy 0.0 powerblocks. They do not. In-fact they've recently begun to mobilize change against this sect of the player-base. One of the last true stumbling blocks to a more dynamic nullsec is super-cap bloat and power-creep. I hope these issues are adressed sooner rather than later, but in lieu of that you always have wormhole space to tide you over. 2. True, but we didn't have a jump bridges, capital ships, ihub upgrades, t3's, anomalies, wormholes, or a lot of other niceties you have today either. Does it make the job of taking space any easier? No, but see #1 on that, overall gameplay has expanded and one can hope that we'll see more dynamic space soon. 3. See 1. 4. See 1. 5. What new features might those be? 6. No. 7. See supercaps. 8. Not at all. 9. No. 10. No. 11. No. (Too much repetition of the same point, you could have done without) 12. Perhaps if these new players are only interested in acquiring their own sov. empire, but that is a process that takes a lot of time and effort. If they're expecting it to be a raid content patch from WoW where they can drive hard and "beat the game," in a few months they're suffering from their own unrealistic expectations. If you believe that it is impossible now, see #1. Though I can assure you it is more than possible to insert yourself into the grand arena through alliance membership in existing power structures. 13. Yes and they do have that choice. 14. One can only assume as much since we're still getting patches. Small amount of points indeed. You really only repeated the same point a good many times over. Making that point that Joe and his 40 friends cannot feasibly park on a tech moon and take a bunch of space compared to when Molle and co. did it years ago is perfectly valid. The game has done a good deal of evolving from that point in time. You really have two options at this juncture if you find yourself looking towrad that end: build your power-base from a safer place such as wormhole systems, or snuggle up with an existing alliance and make yourself useful until the point in time where you can effectively take their seat of power. I'm fairly confident the future will bring more conflict and churn to nullsec and I say this from the point of view of a player who's been here for years and who has everything to loose from it. tl;dr: Things change, start playing the game and you might get where you think you want to go. Barring that you might as well enjoy yourself along the way. In either event, if you hate the premise of a single shard universe then EVE is probably not the game for you. Have fun and if you do decide to quit, feel free to contract me your stuff for disposal.
Outouchmatralala	Posted - 2011.05.12 23:06:00 - [87] you had me at "serious question"
Mr Dilkington	Posted - 2011.05.13 01:08:00 - [88] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas I have to ask, because I do feel this is the cause of many problems in eve. Consider some of the issues.. 1) Alliances that have been around for years have a massive advantage over new players and alliances. Already well established, have massive ISK income, have massive super fleets that new players now have to beg and pay to be part of all this? or even pay. If people tell me well alliances die all the time, Ill scream. Yes but the same old people are just recycled to create a new alliance of the same people, rinse and repeat. 2)Older alliances did not have to compete with what is now 50K people online rather it was 8K or something, new players/alliances/corps now have this to contend with. 3) New alliances/corps/players cannot get access to the moon gold and riches because its controlled by the old players/corps/alliances. New Alliances = meaning newer players rather than new alliance/old players. So basically 0.0 is so entrenched and controlled that its impossible for new players/alliances/corps to have the same advantages. 4) Is this why lag will never be fixed? Because there are simply too many people for one universe? 5) Is this why nice quality features, more real world stuff in eve doesnt happen, and eve is just a dark dead place. because it will cause too much lag and the server cant cope. 6) Is this why we have a stupid 30 second timer on stuff, because the server simply cant catch up being in one universe 7) Fleet fights - nuff said. 8) Are we missing out on what eve could be, becuase its on one universe? 9) Are people missing out on experiencing what others have because of one universe. 10) are we kidding ourselves thinking that EVE ONE SHARD universe can actually work? Isnt this why many other MMOS have more than one world you can play one? Are CCP trying to keep this 'Look we have a single universe game' plaque, and we amazing.. but infact as eve has constantly grown and this is just not feasible anymore? 11) Are people too stubborn to realise that eve cannot cope on a single universe? and cling onto this one universe this is my eve title 12) Are we letting new players slip through our fingers because we simply dont offer them the safety and comfort of learning the game in safer universes 13) Shouldnt people have the option whether to carebear or pvp? Rather than not given the choice? In eve your part of pvp whether you want to or not..Meaning you can be attacked by anyone anywhere anytime.. 14) is CCP really thinking about its player base and future of eve or is this really just a personal project These are just a small amount of points on this issue, would be for once good to have a serious discussion on this...sadly im sure the trolls will be feeding... Instead of typing out all that you could have just put "I dont know how the game works, nor do i know much about it" in response to your title: yes.
Murtal Liven	Posted - 2011.05.13 01:39:00 - [89] Sounds like someone should go back to their PvE WoW server. Considering EvE has survived for 8 years on a single server while offering the unique gameplay element of ALWAYS being a part of PvP, I'd say that these "problems" you're suggesting are in fact what makes EvE the unique game that it is.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.05.13 03:52:00 - [90] OP got bored and left thread? 1) Yes, entities that stayed around have seen and done most of it all. But as history shows this sometimes (not always) leads to false confidence which leads to fail. 2) Old alliances had no 'alliance mechanics' to begin with. Are some of those current mechanics screwed and bad for the game and new folks? Possibly. See last blog by gamedesign who try to address those issues. 3) Moon poo afaik is the last of the former ultimate monopoly sources - CCP managed to remove static plexes and ABC ore from this palette so far. As they're looking at it again they'll for sure address this 'somehow'. 4) Lag has game-mechanical and technical reasons (bigger blob beats big blob and big blob is needed to flip sov) and is being constantly addressed. Game mechanical: CCP will look at it next. Technical: CCP constantly looks to better this. 5) no idea what you mean by "nice quality features, more real world stuff".. 6) the '30second timer on stuff' is there because the database and engine behind this game needs some time to process the stuff all of us do and it has been found to be a good time-frame to make sure all transactions had a chance to happen. Eve will stay one-sharded, thus this feature will stay with us.. CCP pointed out though that they might give us a single 30sec timer on currently 2x 30s timers for swapping docking+swapping ships+undocking. 7) no idea what this hollow phrase means: 'Fleet fights - nuff said' 8) I don't know what you think you miss out on. I definitely would miss out on something (one huge world with all it's ramifications) if New Eden would be sharded. So, no. Play X3 or Freelancer or Privateer if you want such a game-world. 9) Huh? Who tells you, you can't play your arse off (5hours a day with several accounts and doing mostly stuff for and with other people) and be an alliance leader or a titan pilot or a fleet-commander or another Chribba? Oh, you want that NOW and without the 'work your arse off'-part?! Well, I think you can't have that as I can't have that either. 10) If you're the first who raided the newest mount or you're the best pvp-er or the guy with the most gold on shard XYZ it means squat on all the other shards. If you're the leader of a 6000 man alliance or you're Chribba or you got the most iskies or you scammed people for thousands of real-world-dollars in Eve.. yeah, this means something (Real Newspapers run articels about that). But this doesn't come for free or without dedication (the part you're missing). This also doesn't happen without the single shard and the cut-throat-environment that is Eve. Deal with it. 11) add hominem attack - any answer that does counter your statement is labeled 'stubborn' from the get go. 12) Again.. all this end-game stuff you think others got before you and you're not able to experience does have a price tag you seem to not to want to pay. 13) This feature is a cornerstone of Eve. Deal with it. 14) CCP actually seems to think about this on a constant basis and in metrics that are generally accepted to measure success on a good way. - number of paid accounts grow - number of employees grow - number of revenue grows - number of IPs grows As to your last thing. You didn't start a discussion. All you did was posting statements that show you didn't got Eve and add hominem attacks. From this I gather that Eve-Online isn't for you. Please do yourself a favor and leave and find another Scifi-MMO that caters to your kind. Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!

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