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Hermosa Diosas
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 12/05/2011 17:07:05
 Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Your response? You trolled
No. He responded to your points, saying that they were all false. And he's right. Not a single statement you made had any basis in reality, and is trivially disproven by simply looking at the history of EVE.
1. Alliances that have been around for years have been destroyed.
2. Older alliances had to compete against higher relative numbers than today's alliances.
3. New alliances can and do gain access to moon goo.
4. Lag has been fixed. Many many times. That's why fights are now as big as they are.
5. New stuff is being introduced constantly.
6. No.
7. No, not 'nuff said. What about fleet fights?
8. Not really, no. What else could it be and still be EVE?
9. No, they're missing out because they choose to.
10. It does work, so no kidding is required.
11. No.
12. New players have it easier than ever.
13. Certainly not. That would break the game.
14. You seem to be suggesting that there is a dichotomy between the twoà There isn't.
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everyone other mmo does have more than one shard - why becuase there is a reason
The reason is "because they can" ù because those games have nothing to gain from being single-server, so they can shard at their hearts' delight and reap the benefits. EVE is not that kind of game, and it reaps its benefits from not being sharded.
Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum..
# New players have it easier than ever. Are you really that stupid? Its funny that eve has stayed stagnant for along time now..even with ccps massive advertising campaigns, and gettin on steam etc..
People join when a new expansion comes out and immediately leave after the trial - this is a simple fact -
everyone get your damn heads out of the sand..damn ccp fanbois
every single point you made is utter rubbish
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:07:00 -
[32]
OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss.
***** Signature may appear without warning! *****
Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
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Hermosa Diosas
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:12:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss.
Dont think you need a responcem happy to discuss but thetrolls as usual stopped that.
All i have proven here is as usual, the eve forum community are incapable of having a normal discussion..thats all...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:12:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum..
Correcting your blatant display of ignorance is not trolling.
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# New players have it easier than ever. Are you really that stupid?
You mean apart from the vastly improved starting conditions? Apart from the vastly improved learning tools? Apart from the vastly improved availability ofà everything? Apart form the vastly improved means of getting going?
No, I'm not.
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People join when a new expansion comes out and immediately leave after the trial - this is a simple fact
First of all, how is that a fact? Second of all, even if it is, so what?
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every single point you made is utter rubbish
I notice you utterly failed to address any of them and instead had to go straight for the ad hominemsà
So I take it you agree with me 100%, seeing as how you couldn't muster any kind of reasonable argument other than the simplest of all fallacies. Thank you for your support.
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Calfis
Amarr
Fukushima Industries
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:13:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss.
You are right, anyone who disagrees with making EVE "Generic MMO Online" is automatically trolling, pushing crap, ccp fanboys etc.
He refuses to address the fundamental point that the reason EVE has lasted for so long as a niche is because enough players who do like a tough game world do pay for subs every year.
Being unique is the same as being stagnant apparantly. And not making a game that holds your hand means you are doing it wrong.
Also confirming that if WOW had 1 day where it was like EVE the OP would die in a fire because he can't last a day without someone holding his hand.
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Sonya Kranz
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:16:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss.
Dont think you need a responcem happy to discuss but thetrolls as usual stopped that.
All i have proven here is as usual, the eve forum community are incapable of having a normal discussion..thats all...
I kind of wonder what game you play, but its defenitely not EVE
oh and accusing everyone who doesnt agree with your arguements of trolling doesnt make you look any better either.
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Gibbeous Moon
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:16:00 -
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If EVE had more than one Universe then it would lose its appeal straight off.
In games like WoW or EQ having more than one universe meant that Interesting Things Happening never got around the player base. Imagine Incursion over dozens of universes; it wouldn't have worked. A universe wouldn't have a player-led story but a CCP led one and that would change the nature of the game completely.
If CCP changed the game so that there were more than one universe then I'll be looking for a new game.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:21:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum. You're proving me wrong, therefore I will call you a troll.
That's what you really mean now isn't it.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Hermosa Diosas
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:21:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Calfis
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss.
You are right, anyone who disagrees with making EVE "Generic MMO Online" is automatically trolling, pushing crap, ccp fanboys etc.
He refuses to address the fundamental point that the reason EVE has lasted for so long as a niche is because enough players who do like a tough game world do pay for subs every year.
Being unique is the same as being stagnant apparantly. And not making a game that holds your hand means you are doing it wrong.
Also confirming that if WOW had 1 day where it was like EVE the OP would die in a fire because he can't last a day without someone holding his hand.
lol the funny thing is i have been playing eve for 8 years constantly!! lmfao...
ive seen eve from only have a few thousand players online to now, seen it go through its many changes and you know what it snot for the better
but i have the balls to say hey what if...and think like most of you that eve is the be all and end all...when its clearly not..
and if you want to go on this silly eve v wow crusade then
wow = 12 million subs
eve = 300,000 (not rising)
see the difference? your in the minority by a long way!
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:22:00 -
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There is nothing about this game that requires you be better .
Its the journey not the destination... you don't need to control 0.0 or have more sp etc to improve your position monthly, and plenty of newer players have joined established corporations and alliances and risen to the very top of huge organziations within a coulple years(and even if you started from scrath with an open field it would take that long to ammass those corp's resources and membership stablity)
If you're not extrondiary at managing people or organaizations, or amazing at things that don't require sp but game skills associated with a player like abilty to FC (making quick accurate decisions, speaking clearly, not ****ing people off who don't deserver it too often so people keep coming back if you're canny enough to get them kills), or an amazing logistics person who likes maintaing forum api's , doing spreadsheets for pos refueling etc.. you're not going to get anywhere in a lasting way with or without a clean slate.
I'm not goint to get anywhere in that regard, but I was good and enjoyed trading and have ammassed a bit in that regard ... being able to buy a titan, (well didnt' buy one yet), a Titan pilot and still have that much again to continue trading with after 2 years would put me in a pretty competitive postition with most of the players who'd played 5 or moer years .. you can "catch up" but again the fun was in the journey, not the destination.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:22:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum. You're proving me wrong, therefore I will call you a troll.
That's what you really mean now isn't it.
Tippia is a troll but almost always right
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FeralShadow
NME1
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:23:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Kristina Vanszar
To make it clear to the OP:
me and for sure 90 % of people here want a game where there is the possibility of getting nuked FOR NO REASON IN SAFE space.
AND having the chance of NUKING SOMEONE FOR NO REASON.
that's the shortest description i can provide why i love this game.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this
Also: JGE has been confirmed to be vaporware (it's never gonna happen)
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"If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
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Hermosa Diosas
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:24:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum. You're proving me wrong, therefore I will call you a troll.
That's what you really mean now isn't it.
Errr no - sorry i think i meant what i said..ill just keep throwing these back..keep poasting..
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:25:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Calfis
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss.
You are right, anyone who disagrees with making EVE "Generic MMO Online" is automatically trolling, pushing crap, ccp fanboys etc.
He refuses to address the fundamental point that the reason EVE has lasted for so long as a niche is because enough players who do like a tough game world do pay for subs every year.
Being unique is the same as being stagnant apparantly. And not making a game that holds your hand means you are doing it wrong.
Also confirming that if WOW had 1 day where it was like EVE the OP would die in a fire because he can't last a day without someone holding his hand.
lol the funny thing is i have been playing eve for 8 years constantly!! lmfao...
ive seen eve from only have a few thousand players online to now, seen it go through its many changes and you know what it snot for the better
but i have the balls to say hey what if...and think like most of you that eve is the be all and end all...when its clearly not..
and if you want to go on this silly eve v wow crusade then
wow = 12 million subs
eve = 300,000 (not rising)
see the difference? your in the minority by a long way!
Corrected for public:
WOW = 12 million ( aprox IQ: 85)
EVE = 300,000 (rising, aprox IQ: 125)
So IQ wise we are better....
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:26:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
wow = 12 million subs and dropping (600K lost so far this year)
eve = well over 300,000 and growing
Fixed.
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Hermosa Diosas
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:26:00 -
[46]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum. You're proving me wrong, therefore I will call you a troll.
That's what you really mean now isn't it.
Tippia is a troll but almost always right
Not this time, couldnt be further from the truth
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Virtue Maulerant
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:28:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
random wow kid whine
What a stupid ****.  
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Calfis
Amarr
Fukushima Industries
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:28:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Calfis
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss.
You are right, anyone who disagrees with making EVE "Generic MMO Online" is automatically trolling, pushing crap, ccp fanboys etc.
He refuses to address the fundamental point that the reason EVE has lasted for so long as a niche is because enough players who do like a tough game world do pay for subs every year.
Being unique is the same as being stagnant apparantly. And not making a game that holds your hand means you are doing it wrong.
Also confirming that if WOW had 1 day where it was like EVE the OP would die in a fire because he can't last a day without someone holding his hand.
lol the funny thing is i have been playing eve for 8 years constantly!! lmfao...
ive seen eve from only have a few thousand players online to now, seen it go through its many changes and you know what it snot for the better
but i have the balls to say hey what if...and think like most of you that eve is the be all and end all...when its clearly not..
and if you want to go on this silly eve v wow crusade then
wow = 12 million subs
eve = 300,000 (not rising)
see the difference? your in the minority by a long way!
Well then why don't you post with the awesome character you have been playing on for the past 8 years? Spent all the time in high sec did ya?
Again you are proving that you do in fact lack ideas because you are just saying instead of trying to do something different EVE should copy a popular MMO for the sake of taking in masses of carebears because taking in masses of carebears who want to play a safe game is what every MMO should strive to do. Lets limit choice and making everything generic. Lets be crowd pleasers, amirite?
Isn't this what you have been arguing all along? Lets be honest here, this is really what you are saying isn't it?
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Hermosa Diosas
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:29:00 -
[49]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
wow = 12 million subs and dropping (600K lost so far this year)
eve = well over 300,000 and growing
Fixed.
lol its not growing, why state that - its simply NOT true...even the eve report stated it stayed fairly stagnant.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:29:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Tippia you are the biggest troll on this forum. You're proving me wrong, therefore I will call you a troll.
That's what you really mean now isn't it.
Tippia is a troll but almost always right
Not this time, couldnt be further from the truth
If you did even a little research then you would find out how wrong you are.
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kristina Vanszar on 12/05/2011 17:31:29
Edited by: Kristina Vanszar on 12/05/2011 17:31:01
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
wow = 12 million subs and dropping (600K lost so far this year)
eve = well over 300,000 and growing
Fixed.
lol its not growing, why state that - its simply NOT true...even the eve report stated it stayed fairly stagnant.
So the jump in 2010 from 200 to 300 k accounts has not happend!? OMG CCP FOOLED US WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE; RUN AWAY!
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Calfis
Amarr
Fukushima Industries
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:32:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
lol its not growing, why state that - its simply NOT true...even the eve report stated it stayed fairly stagnant.
So new players are replace ones that are leaving, sounds about right to me. There are countries that wish they had a population that is as stable as this. Issue arise because populations are growing too much or dropping, by remaining stable you are sustainable.
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Virtue Maulerant
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:32:00 -
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Tippia and Calfis seem to be in an massive pwnage state.And yeah...where's your 8 year old main?
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Hermosa Diosas
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:33:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Calfis
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Calfis
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
OP you still ignored my responses, and you seem to only want to talk, not discuss.
You are right, anyone who disagrees with making EVE "Generic MMO Online" is automatically trolling, pushing crap, ccp fanboys etc.
He refuses to address the fundamental point that the reason EVE has lasted for so long as a niche is because enough players who do like a tough game world do pay for subs every year.
Being unique is the same as being stagnant apparantly. And not making a game that holds your hand means you are doing it wrong.
Also confirming that if WOW had 1 day where it was like EVE the OP would die in a fire because he can't last a day without someone holding his hand.
lol the funny thing is i have been playing eve for 8 years constantly!! lmfao...
ive seen eve from only have a few thousand players online to now, seen it go through its many changes and you know what it snot for the better
but i have the balls to say hey what if...and think like most of you that eve is the be all and end all...when its clearly not..
and if you want to go on this silly eve v wow crusade then
wow = 12 million subs
eve = 300,000 (not rising)
see the difference? your in the minority by a long way!
Well then why don't you post with the awesome character you have been playing on for the past 8 years? Spent all the time in high sec did ya?
Again you are proving that you do in fact lack ideas because you are just saying instead of trying to do something different EVE should copy a popular MMO for the sake of taking in masses of carebears because taking in masses of carebears who want to play a safe game is what every MMO should strive to do. Lets limit choice and making everything generic. Lets be crowd pleasers, amirite?
Isn't this what you have been arguing all along? Lets be honest here, this is really what you are saying isn't it?
Couldnt be further from the truth..posting with my alt - cos thats what everyone else does itsnt it..might as well fit in..
So im a PURE pvper, lived and fought in low sec, pirated, been part of many of the big alliances, fought in major 0.0 wars ermmm shall i continue.
I really dont understand why me just asking about whther eve can survive has anything to do with what you have just stated..
its a simple question, where i hoped it was possible to have a normal discussion...but in eve thats not possible is it..because all the 13 year olds jump on and act like tw@ts...
I was actually asking a rather intellec question...guess it was a little too much for most of you to understand, rather than emo rage to...little weird..
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 12/05/2011 17:35:39
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
but i have the balls to say hey what if...
àso why don't you make that thread instead? There is no "what if" in your OP ù just a bunch of trivially disproven "facts" and insinuations.
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and if you want to go on this silly eve v wow crusade then
wow = 12 million subs
eve = 300,000 (not rising)
First of all, false. Second of all, which has the better food: McD's or Alain Ducasse?
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see the difference? your in the minority by a long way!
So? The game is aimed at a specific niche ù what does that have to do with anything?
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Not this time, couldnt be further from the truth
Prove it. You haven't offered a shred of evidence to support your claims, nor have you provided any reasoning for your insinuations. Instead, you have responded with personal attacks and evasions of the question you raisedà You claim you want to say "what ifà", so do so. Present your case. Argue your stance. Stop evading the discussion you claim you want and start responding to the questions and counter-claims others make.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Jokerface666
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:36:00 -
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Kristina Vanszar here, that's my main.
epeen on the desk boys.
No the problem is, that you have stated from the beginning, that eve is failign for 8 years dude.... that everything is wrong here and you know better, and when people say why they think that is not true, you are calling them trolls, or are ignoring there posts.
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Nizran L'Crit
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:38:00 -
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In the comparative Market, WoW has about 5 million subs, many of which are 2-box or more. Granted the same can be said for eve on the 2-box front. The rest of those 12 million subs are in Asia through a completely different company and they pay per hour or minute or something like that and their average monthly is 7 dollars.
Comparing EVE to WoW is beside the point though. CCP is MAKING money, how much doesn't matter, they are content with the improvements to the game, every year subs DO increase, maybe not a ton, but they do increase so they are showing positive growth. I can guarantee that if they ran multiple universes, not only would a lot of people quit, but it would also cost them money to de-centralize. Not gonna happen and none of your arguments, to me, are worth having them change the entire direction of the game.
TL;DR - Bad troll is bad.
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Hesperius
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Hesperius on 12/05/2011 17:42:18
1) Yes, for the most part different groups are recycled with different names.
2) Sure, but that is a two way street. You couldn't pick up T2 modules for a million isk a pop back then either.
3) Yes. You need a proper super carrier blob if you want a good moon and hold it.
4 - 9) no, you don't seem to understand how it works.
10) It is working. Creating a single server this big is no small task, it is actually a complicated system. Most MMOs avoid it because it is easier to splinter your users onto different servers rather than to listen to them ***** and innovate new solutions. You should be thankful for the technology CCP is cooking up.
11) Are you too stubborn to realize it is coping just fine? Perhaps if you dislike the way things are you could push for a different solution rather than a brick headed one?
12) Yes. However Eve is a game that fills niche. It is hardcore. I shall repeat, IT IS HARDCORE. Let me illustrate,
<-- Easy --- Hard -->
You Have to Burn The Rope - WoW & other such MMO's - Online RTS & FPS - (Large void of missing difficulty) - Eve - Russian Roulette
13) You do have that option, however that option is what game you chose to play. If you chose to play Eve, you need to be aware that you are entering into a world competitive players.
14) If Eve were my creation and I were to answer this, I would say "It is our personal project and you can choose to play it or not."
I think you have a preconceived notion of what you want out of this game and you are upset that it is not fulfilling your misunderstandings. If you can hang in Eve then maybe one day you will be able to, and you should come back then. If you can come to terms that this game is not easy, then best of luck to you to find your way to fortune and victory on the battlefield.
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krickettt
Golden Orb Technology inc
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:42:00 -
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Very nice intellec questions. I too would like to know your main, to see this pure pvp character. Also, who cares if we have a smaller population than WoW does. Science Fiction has never been more popular than other mainstream crap. I want to see your proof that EVE is suffering from it's one world state. Lag in large fleet fights is pilot generated for the most part. As far as I'm concerned, the only troll I've seen ITT is you.
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Nizran L'Crit
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Posted - 2011.05.12 17:43:00 -
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Whats funny is that Joker inadvertently proved the point that the niche market is going strong. He has just under 100 PVP kills and he is sitting at just under ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND rank. Hmm.....yet again, I say, if you really have issues with the core of this game, sounds like you need to do one of two things..
1) Make a development company and your own game.
2) Go to another MMO
Neither of these will happen because you can't even discuss an issue unless everyone agrees with you much less run a development company and the big one...
Wait for it....
THERE IS NO OTHER GAME LIKE EVEO!
THXKBAI!
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