CCP will most likely have to do something about ice mining macks.

So lets say you are NOT using a macro.

You hit your modules and go afk until the cycle is done.

Yet recently went emo in a dev blob about "afk missioning" with drones is not acceptable game play because you are not actually present at your computer

Whats the deal?

If you read the post about that afk plexing it was an extreme circumstance and the guy was doing it 23/7 with one activation cycle a day.

We're not talking about a cycle or 2 on an ice miner here.

Don't be a drama queen.

So lets say you are NOT using a macro.

You hit your modules and go afk until the cycle is done.

Yet recently went emo in a dev blob about "afk missioning" with drones is not acceptable game play because you are not actually present at your computer

Whats the deal?

So if I work 12 hour shifts in an office and I can have even running in the background, alt tabbing back every however minutes it is to reactive then alt tabbing away isent an extreme case of afk mining? I would say it is and believe it, people do that.

And if they don't, the rest of us will.

And if they don't, the rest of us will.

So if I work 12 hour shifts in an office and I can have even running in the background, alt tabbing back every however minutes it is to reactive then alt tabbing away isent an extreme case of afk mining? I would say it is and believe it, people do that.

So lets say you are NOT using a macro.

You hit your modules and go afk until the cycle is done.

Yet recently went emo in a dev blob about "afk missioning" with drones is not acceptable game play because you are not actually present at your computer

Whats the deal?

And if they don't, the rest of us will.

Keep in mind that AFK missioning is an ISK faucet where as AFK mining is not.

So if I work 12 hour shifts in an office and I can have even running in the background, alt tabbing back every however minutes it is to reactive then alt tabbing away isent an extreme case of afk mining? I would say it is and believe it, people do that.

I believe that when you don't touch your keyboard between hitting F1 and switching to the next target, you are AFK. People do that.

THat's mission/plex running summed up in this game. I target some stuff hit f1 and then wait for something to happen.

Yes because as soon as the cycle ends and/or roid depletes or the cargo is full.... you magically can store more ore and earn money.

Ridiculous topic is ridiculous.

/c

I am afraid mining is just that dull. Proactive gaming is limited to guessing when the cycle should be cut off if the asteroid is nearing completion, so you don't waste time sucking vacuum.

Hilarious how you say the rest of us will do something about it...when all you do yourself is whine. What are you exactly going to do about it? Whine more?

CCP: Maybe ISBoxer command cloning needs to be added to the list of things that are "patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play".

No. Multiboxing is a valid form of play in Eve Online.

And BTW, IsBoxer facilitates a lot more than just ice mining.

Sure, multiboxing I got no issue with. But having all clients commanded simultaneously with the aid of software? CCP has said "OK". But in light of whats happening at ice fields, maybe that decision needs to be reconsidered.

If CCP decides they don't like AFK ice mining, they better make it less hazardous to the human brain.

Like ratting's any better.

It is - marginally.
It also pays more.

Since this type of gameplay (multiboxing several ice miners with ISboxer) concerns you that much, may we assume you have chosen Ice mining as your major profession then?

....I also have concern for other players who do use ice mining as their main profession.

There is also the ISBoxer issue. It looks like there are several barge swarms that are most likely ISBoxer run. That is, its one player controlling 10 or more ships all at once with the aid of ISBoxer. This is legal as the commands still are triggered by a player.

Player selects undock, ISBoxer clones the command, tells all ships to undock.
Player tells ship to warp to the top bookmark (all the clients have a different top BM), ISBoxer tells all ships to warp to the top BM.
Player tells ship to target the top item in the overview (which is set to ice), ISBoxer has all ships target nearest ice roid.
Player turns on ice miners, ISBoxer tells all ships to turn on ice miners.

Half an hour later:

Player tells ship to dock, select all cargo and move to items. ISBoxer clones the commands.

Cycle repeats.

The profit from this will drop as the ice market gets glutted. That is quite different from afking complexes. But a low ice price also makes ice mining not a viable career unless you get 10 accounts and ISBoxer.

CCP: Maybe ISBoxer command cloning needs to be added to the list of things that are "patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play".

Yeah....

I am afraid mining is just that dull.

I never really understood why ISboxer was allowed yet macros and automation are not. But it's entirely up to CCP to decide.

That isn't of course to say we can't make consequences ourselves for users of such programs if we feel it's necessary. We just can't ban anybody. :P

CCP will most likely have to do something about ice mining macks.

isnt that what Goons are for? "Emergent gameplay" and all?

Sure, when it's actually, I don't know, playing the game.

the dev post was about afking in a plex with drones out and repping them in a way that you and your drones wouldn't die, ever, you would log in and sit there all day log in the next day 400mil or so richer.

I see it being no different from hitting your module once an hour and going AFK.

Still different from "launch your drones and start repping them and check back after 8+ hours".

And if they don't, the rest of us will.

So lets say you are NOT using a macro.

You hit your modules and go afk until the cycle is done.

Yet recently went emo in a dev blob about "afk missioning" with drones is not acceptable game play because you are not actually present at your computer

Whats the deal?

CCP will most likely have to do something about ice mining macks.

So if someone was to mine while not at there screen while only coming back once the cargo is full, which could be over and hour would not be classed as extreme, fair enough if they only do it a couple days a week but if your doing it 7 days a week then I would say its an extreme case of AFK activities.

CCP will most likely have to do something about ice mining macks.

So if I work 12 hour shifts in an office and I can have even running in the background, alt tabbing back every however minutes it is to reactive then alt tabbing away isent an extreme case of afk mining? I would say it is and believe it, people do that.

So lets say you are NOT using a macro.

You hit your modules and go afk until the cycle is done.

Yet recently went emo in a dev blob about "afk missioning" with drones is not acceptable game play because you are not actually present at your computer

Whats the deal?

The rest of us?

Do not put your personal weird obsession with miners, onto the general Eve population.

So lets say you are NOT using a macro.

You hit your modules and go afk until the cycle is done.

Yet recently went emo in a dev blob about "afk missioning" with drones is not acceptable game play because you are not actually present at your computer

Whats the deal?

Iirc, the reason they gave is that with ISBoxer, you still have to be there pressing the buttons. When you use macros, you don't have to be at the computer. They just want people to be in control and not an automated process.

no one should have a problem with CCP prohibiting the use of a program to emulate commands anyways.

Even 100% AFK miners will have to come back and do some clicks at some point. The mining barges have a finite amount of ORE capacity and the asteroids have a finite amount of ORE in them. IF you set your miners and go AFK all day, your toon will only really be mining for an hour TOPS

And if they don't, the rest of us will.

So lets say you are NOT using a macro.

Everyone who is not a miner, should love afk miners. It drives the cost down of everything that you buy.

Quite understood, but if the program clones commands, it's not quite the same as the person manually doing the commands himself. If using ISBoxer is the same as not using it, then no one should have a problem with CCP prohibiting the use of a program to emulate commands anyways.

Quite understood, but if the program clones commands, it's not quite the same as the person manually doing the commands himself. If using ISBoxer is the same as not using it, then no one should have a problem with CCP prohibiting the use of a program to emulate commands anyways.

CCP will most likely have to do something about ice mining macks.

CCP will most likely have to do something about ice and mining in general so players don't sleep in front of their computer when they should be PLAYING

Sure, when it's actually, I don't know, playing the game.

Quite understood, but if the program clones commands, it's not quite the same as the person manually doing the commands himself. If using ISBoxer is the same as not using it, then no one should have a problem with CCP prohibiting the use of a program to emulate commands anyways.

As far as fixing mining, they should incorporate a mechanic like having to align the beams or something to max yield. As a the mining beams run, they get out of alignment and there could be a dial that you have to adjust to realign them. Aligned beams create 100% yield, where misaligned beams degrade yield down to 0% as they progress. In doing this, people could still AFK if they wanted to but their yield would be affected. The best yield would be the people who are ATK and keep the beams aligned (maybe it's an alignment adjustment randomly from 30 secs to 5 mins).'

Additionally, adding something like PI scanning would work well. Get rid of the high yield rocks and just have high yield zones on a rock. So the overall process could be:

Warp to a field lock a rock
Scan the rock
Target the high yield areas of the rock
Align the beams
Mine
Repeat

The AFKer could just lock and mine and that could give the standard yield rocks and the overall yield would diminish as the beams become misaligned. ATK miners could actively target the high yield areas of the rocks and keep the beams aligned to maximize yield and rock type.

Ah the things I think of when I'm high.

The problem with all these ideas is that while they are really good, they kill the game for people who mine with more than one character at a time.

No. It would kill it for people who want to mine with multiple accounts at a time AFK.

Having to spend time mining is the general idea behind, you know, trying to fix AFK mining

Little games that would hinder yield in order to prevent AFK mining would probably increase AFK mining and decrease subscriptions.

Try understand.

1.We are not a CCP slaves, we got rights to be afk every time when we need to be afk, even if CCP is against afk gaming style or they got specific gaming philosophy anty afk.

2. I can mining ore while im afk so long like i want, im not a robot im human, again i have right to be afk , the worse thing that may happens is overload cargo after few minyts while im afk, if i go to deep afk the worse thing that may hapens is a not active mining barge - exhumer blow up to some kamikaze because of afk reason.

3.We got familis jobs etc, again we are humans not robots.

4. Stop care or living with obsesion about bots, you pay for this game mothly fee, you have right to be afk, , enjoy game, you pay for it, bring your macinav to ice field activate strip miners and go afk, it wont earn much money...

I think I just said that... Given that "sponsoring emergent gameplay" IS playing the game

and ganking miners IS playing the game

The commands are not cloned. They are sent directly to the clients.

Its not emulating commands, it is allowing the mouse/keyboard to send their commands to more than one location.

The problem with all these ideas is that while they are really good, they kill the game for people who mine with more than one character at a time. The time involved with aligning 6, 9, 12 or more lasers would cause most people to simply take the yield hit and deal with the diminishing returns provided in your idea. The end result there is CCP devs spending a ton of time implementing something that would not be used. Time they could have spent working on other things.

Which you can only do by emulating a mouse/keyboard via software on the other locations.

ISBoxer is botting. It's just attended botting, which is significantly more ethical than the bots that the rest of the miners use.

Or, as the guy who finally got CCP to whitelist ISBoxer proved, by creating a hilarious and over the top hardware solution. ISBoxer's ability to clone mouse commands doesn't allow you to do anything you couldn't do with some wooden dowels, packing tape, and a giant desk surface area.

For details on how to avoid paying ISBoxer's ~$20 annual subscription fee by using a hardware solution, click here.

ISBoxer is a more elegant way to tie a bunch of mice together with wooden dowels and packing tape, and performs the same functions as doing so.

In short, any mining revamp MUST include changes to make it impossible to AFK -- i.e. Bot -- mine. Otherwise we'll just return to the current situation of people forced to either bot mine or play the game virtually indistinguishable from a bot to compete.

Yep you certainly have the right to be AFK, but why do you feel you have the right to be AFK, Safe, and Making money all at the same time?

Could you tell us how it is possible to miner to AFK 24 hours in a Hulk?

Hint: It's not possible.

CCP will most likely have to do something about ice mining macks.

I know you think you are on some Jihad but trust me, you dont speak for the "rest of us" James.

Unless you know way to prevent other players from buying modules, ships, ore, stuff from me while I'm on station and AFK...