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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.25 06:45:00 -
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Before you say 'NO! NO ARENA PVP!' hear me out.
My idea is to put a new structure called an 'Arena'. There should be one in each hisec factions area at minimum and preferably close to a trade hub (maybe a jump away).
Since Incarna will be coming out (? maybe) this summer, I am sure it will be fixed and playable by Winters time. This would be a good structure to dock up in like any other station and watch 'the fights' or participate in them. This promotes ACTUALY 1 v 1's which are difficult to find elsewhere in EVE. Usually a 1 v 1 becomes a 1 v 1&friends.
I enjoy my PVP. I enjoy going out in small gangs and making a single target (or more) cry in local. However, unless I go on Singularity I never find a 1 v 1 which is a different type of fight then any fleet engagements and wont always be fair (and usually isnt).
To 'fight' you would have to either Register at the Registration Center or peruse the list of current challenges and choose one you'd like to participate in.
Options should include, but not be limited to: -- Amount of Ships vs Ships: 1 v 1, 2 v 2, 3 v 3 or more. There should probably be a limit, but this is an example. -- Ship type: Be it frig fight, cruiser fight, bs fight, or whatever. You can even go further and restrict to t1, or a specific type of t2 (assault frig for instance). A check list would be best for this as there could be many options. Possibly an AF wouldnt mind fighting a cruiser and would allow Frigates and Cruisers with no tech specified. -- Race: Want to relive the Gallente vs Caldari? Or are you Gallente and dont want to fight minmatar all the time? Check box would allow you race class ships allowed or not allowed. Faction ships can be restricted to. Dont want all Dramiels putting our challenges. -- Podding: Will you allow podding? or are weapons locked after a hull booms? -- Arena size: Small, med, large?
Actual ships would be hidden until fight occurs. This makes for people to not bring a ship that owns other ship. Ships must be supplied by the pilots, no 'test drives'.
This should be a fun way to PVP without having to deal with failroams and blobs all the time. This shouldnt stymie PVP as a whole but give another outlet.
As for spectating. I dont know if its possible. But would be nice if it could. Or if the 'lobby' could have a few cams showing current fights.
Any ideas? Thoughts? Flames?
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Culmen
Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire
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Posted - 2011.05.25 07:19:00 -
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Mentioning WOW in a thread is never a good idea....
But the idea itself is pretty good.
I always supported introducing a formal Duel system to EVE. By introducing I mean ADDING ON TOP OF. IE PVP in eve = existing non-consensual pvp + consensual PVP.
A central hub for registration would be nice though. and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Vengeance Industrial Militia
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Posted - 2011.05.25 07:23:00 -
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She never mentioned WoW. ________ The little things |
Shieko Chan
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Posted - 2011.05.25 10:12:00 -
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My problem with a fixed arena style play is it's decidedly not sandbox. If you want to duel someone set it up or drop a can. That said, you could always participate in the regular tourney sponsored by ccp if you want that structured non-sandbox feel.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.25 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shieko Chan My problem with a fixed arena style play is it's decidedly not sandbox. If you want to duel someone set it up or drop a can. That said, you could always participate in the regular tourney sponsored by ccp if you want that structured non-sandbox feel.
How so? Its an area people can gather for friendly competition. This occurs in real life too as my Civic Center offers amateur fights all the time, and in my youth I used to perform in them.
Dropping a can doesnt result in 1 v 1. Due to them acting as bait for a corp to pile on, neutral reps, and such - structured fighting is difficult to get and can be a fun alternative to roaming for hours to find a fight when your just looking to pew real quick and log.
I suppose this idea is aimed at people who have real lives and still like to play EVE. I work two jobs and I go to online school. Wrapped up in there I spend time with my wife and son and visit family on the weekends. My time is pretty limited and last night I went on a two hour roam to run away like a little girl when the scouting group and our leading blue group got hot dropped by several SCs and Titans.
Im just asking for a place to go to for some instant action, where consenting pilots want to fight, where rules are played, and where 'signing up for CCP's tourny' doesnt cost billions and happen annually or semi annually.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.25 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen Mentioning WOW in a thread is never a good idea....
But the idea itself is pretty good.
I always supported introducing a formal Duel system to EVE. By introducing I mean ADDING ON TOP OF. IE PVP in eve = existing non-consensual pvp + consensual PVP.
A central hub for registration would be nice though.
I never mentioned WoW, or any other game for that matter.
And my reasoning for arenas to be in one system per faction could be two way beneficial. It could bring pilots away from crowded systems, and it could open another trade hub if its sufficiently away from the areas trade system. Then (in gallente space) the trade would seem to be Jita -> Dodixie -> Arena system. Min would be Jita -> Rens -> Arena. Depending on popularity of course.
THis could help introduce newer players to PVP as well and maybe get them to saddle up and come explorer lower security space.
As CCP has said many times: ships blowing up = good business.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.29 17:29:00 -
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So im guessing no1 is interested?
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Oregin
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.05.30 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tyme Xandr Before you say 'NO! NO ARENA PVP!' hear me out.
My idea is to put a new structure called an 'Arena'.
Much as I disagree with your idea, I love this opening.
Speaking for myself, the fun in PVP comes from the excitement of not knowing and the constant danger, before, during and after fights: the fleet order to jump into the hostiles on the other side or the surge of adrenaline that kicks in when you're en route to make the tackle is what keeps me coming back to EVE. I actually wouldn't find the Arena style PVP fun.
However, as that stands, it's no reason not to implement it. Yet I feel this would be of detriment to the genuine combat that goes on in EVE.
I, as many do if you read the past Arena topics, like the fact that if you want combat PVP in EVE you MUST risk that other gangs will drop in, blobs will blob you etc etc. Even in highsec, I like that you can never be sure if a 1v1 based on a can take is actually going to be honoured.
EVE needs this. If you offer safe and contained PVP then I think it would do a lot of damage to an already unstocked low-sec, for example. I think a lot of people who want to dabble in PVP will see this, try it, become tired of it and decide that EVE is not as much fun as it actually is. As a new player I went to lowsec and died horribly in flames, like most did. However, it was that first fight that got me hooked.
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Mr Minnah
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.30 02:13:00 -
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I support this idea.
To all the people who say that that's not what pvp in EVE is about, well, that would be an option and doesn't mean in any way that the regular pvp in EVE would die. There are plenty of people that would enjoy both types of pvp and it could provide a nice entry level pvp to the noobs that don't get to enjoy it all that much.
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Yanshee
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Posted - 2011.05.30 02:37:00 -
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Why, in this sandbox, should even-field PVP be handed to you?
You don't need an arena to give you immediate access PVP. You have that already. Go to low-sec, go to nul-sec.
What you want is PVP that doesn't require any thought or planning.
As I said, PVP is there for you in low/nul-sec but if you want to win you have to be clever, you have to put in a fair amount of time to scout systems and understand who are likely allies, you have to judge players' abilities and commonly flown ships and you have to cross your fingers and hope that you can kill before his mates get to you or another fleet/gang comes through.
You basically want to remove all of that required skill and water down PVP such that any lazy player can waltz in and do it.
If you make it available then it becomes the standard form of PVP. You'll get tons of players who like to PVP but are too afraid of losing because they suck at all the prep detailed above who will never venture into low/nul-sec again. These are people who, yes, will lsoe ships at first, but would eventually learn how it's done. I don't just want swathes of noobs heading into low-sec and dying, I want them to come out, die, come back and learn, then spend time there. We need more players in low/nul-sec!
'Arenas' are a bad thing, not just for the pirates, who you'll say are just trying to kill noobs. What it'll do is change the whole character of EVE which is one of harsh unforgiving. Like it or not, that is the game and it's actually what most of us like about EVE and what sets it apart from the rest.
TL:DR... It would not just be an 'option' it would have effects on both the character of the game and the number of people heading into low/nul-sec.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.30 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Yanshee Why, in this sandbox, should even-field PVP be handed to you?
You don't need an arena to give you immediate access PVP. You have that already. Go to low-sec, go to nul-sec.
What you want is PVP that doesn't require any thought or planning.
As I said, PVP is there for you in low/nul-sec but if you want to win you have to be clever, you have to put in a fair amount of time to scout systems and understand who are likely allies, you have to judge players' abilities and commonly flown ships and you have to cross your fingers and hope that you can kill before his mates get to you or another fleet/gang comes through.
You basically want to remove all of that required skill and water down PVP such that any lazy player can waltz in and do it.
If you make it available then it becomes the standard form of PVP. You'll get tons of players who like to PVP but are too afraid of losing because they suck at all the prep detailed above who will never venture into low/nul-sec again. These are people who, yes, will lsoe ships at first, but would eventually learn how it's done. I don't just want swathes of noobs heading into low-sec and dying, I want them to come out, die, come back and learn, then spend time there. We need more players in low/nul-sec!
'Arenas' are a bad thing, not just for the pirates, who you'll say are just trying to kill noobs. What it'll do is change the whole character of EVE which is one of harsh unforgiving. Like it or not, that is the game and it's actually what most of us like about EVE and what sets it apart from the rest.
TL:DR... It would not just be an 'option' it would have effects on both the character of the game and the number of people heading into low/nul-sec.
I live in nullsec. Im aware of the fun and excitement of PVP. However, with that aside, I dont think an Arena would kill PVP in low/null due to:
A) The fact that people like to roam and find fights in low/null B) The fact that this type of PVP is completely unlike random PVP out in low/null C) I dont think this would cause people to never go to low/null as there are reasons low/null are gone to in the first place ... and thats to make money. D) If anything, I would think it would shake some of the fear OFF of new players. They can learn their ship and go attempt some PVP elsewhere.
What is the hardest part of getting a new/scared player to PVP? To trust their ship. To trust their friends. To trust their instincts.
This would allow people to find that they have it inside of them. Or if they truly suck at PVP then they wont ever bother, but they probably never would have in the first place.
No Arena will ever replace fluid unsecure space PVP. However, it would provide just one more facet of what PVP is.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.30 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Oregin
Originally by: Tyme Xandr Before you say 'NO! NO ARENA PVP!' hear me out.
My idea is to put a new structure called an 'Arena'.
Much as I disagree with your idea, I love this opening.
Im glad you found the funny hidden inside of it.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.30 05:55:00 -
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I'm sorry to triple post in my own thread, but I wanted to add this, and not have it in a quoted response.
The EVE universe already has a kind of arena PVP. On the Singularity server you can look and ask for 1 v 1s and such to have some quick PVP.
I participate in this. I will sometimes log into sisi and get in a quick 1 v 1 or two before work - and this has not affected me on Tranquility. I still PVP on tranq and love it.
By your definition this is game breaking. People can log into sisi and (for no real isk) fit ships and go PVP. So if this is happening, then why are real fights happening in Tranq? Shouldnt everyone be PVPing on sisi for free?
Im being a bit extreme here, but its in response to the extreme notion of saying "Arena PVPing will make no one go to low/null anymore."
I think adding an arena system for each faction (and even in low or null, although I dont think its really needed there) will be for people who want to get some quick pvp in, test fits, or whatever. Its another fun facet of EVE that players can enjoy in addition to their normal activities.
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Tiberu Stundrif
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.30 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Shieko Chan My problem with a fixed arena style play is it's decidedly not sandbox. If you want to duel someone set it up or drop a can. That said, you could always participate in the regular tourney sponsored by ccp if you want that structured non-sandbox feel.
You obviously have never fought against 1 person with neutral remote reps.
I believe this is a great idea. If you have a beef with somebody and challenge them to a 1v1, this would allow you to do so without having to use stealing from cans, etc. I believe that friendly remote effects would be disabled while in this 1v1 mode. ---------------------------------------
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.30 06:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tyme Xandr on 30/05/2011 06:32:30
Originally by: Tiberu Stundrif
Originally by: Shieko Chan My problem with a fixed arena style play is it's decidedly not sandbox. If you want to duel someone set it up or drop a can. That said, you could always participate in the regular tourney sponsored by ccp if you want that structured non-sandbox feel.
You obviously have never fought against 1 person with neutral remote reps.
I believe this is a great idea. If you have a beef with somebody and challenge them to a 1v1, this would allow you to do so without having to use stealing from cans, etc. I believe that friendly remote effects would be disabled while in this 1v1 mode.
Yeah, youd only have whoever is involved in the conflict on your overview and people who are spectating (whether this would be indoor, or outdoor) wouldnt be able to lock participants or move into the arena area.
- Also, referring to Shieko, EVE is supposed to be our 'Internet spaceship life'. In the real world we have UFC and Boxing. We have robot fighting as well. Why couldnt New Eden have this?
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Gordon Colt
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Posted - 2011.05.30 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Gordon Colt on 30/05/2011 10:47:29 Go my gosh!
This Idea came up again! . I did say my opinion about it once and I am going to repeat it again:
SUPPORTED!!!
+1
10/10
I am voting for this with all my limbs and even my "manhood" up!
In fact, I prefer at least 1 arena in each Empire located somewhere not so far from major trading hubs. Let say about 3-5 jumps from a hub.
Why not in the same system, where those major hubs are? The answer is to avoid system overloads. On another hand, it should be close enough, because it would help for fast resupply
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Shieko Chan
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Shieko Chan on 30/05/2011 19:38:57 Edited by: Shieko Chan on 30/05/2011 19:35:44
Quote: How so? Its an area people can gather for friendly competition. This occurs in real life too as my Civic Center offers amateur fights all the time, and in my youth I used to perform in them.
Yes, and my question or augument (if you wish) is why do you need something called an "arena" to do this? There is already a mechanism in game to shoot at each other. Make rules and agree to stick to them and slug it out in fleet. No need for special addition to the sandbox game.
Quote: Also, referring to Shieko, EVE is supposed to be our 'Internet spaceship life'. In the real world we have UFC and Boxing. We have robot fighting as well. Why couldnt New Eden have this?
Hello, sandbox.. make an organization you call the UFC or WWC or what ever you like and promote events.. no one is stopping you or anyone else.. why must you wait for CCP to add more in game mechinism for this to happen? Just like the real world such an enterprise takes leadership and determination.. not at act or God or the government.
Quote: You obviously have never fought against 1 person with neutral remote reps.
so make rules and agree to follow them.. if someone doesn't disqualify him.. have referees and judges.. do what we do in the real world to solve problems ... am I the only one who gets the player driven sandbox concept here?
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.31 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Tyme Xandr on 31/05/2011 00:18:06 Sheiko - the problem is that people dont adhere to the rules when they can have friends/buddies help them out. An arena would allow for dictated fights.
I am not sure how your not understanding this. I dont have a real spaceship in real life. So I cannot go to my local town hall and request a spaceship battle weekend at my civic center.
This would be a persistent thing in New Eden, not an event held by CCP.
Is this still not making sense to you?
Im not sure how to explain it in a way that you understand. This would be a structure, in the video game called EVE Online, where you can setup actual 1 v 1s (or #v#). Not steal from a can and go blinky to a corporation. Not go to lowsec and take sec hits. Not go to null and get blobed cause ur in someones space or run into a 15 man roam. This is an arena where you can go for a DIFFERENT type of PVP.
Please re-read my initial post for more information.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.31 01:03:00 -
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I think I figured out why Sheiko doesnt understand whats going on in this thread. So I am going to break it down barney style:
- There will be a new dockable structure called an 'ARENA'. This dockable structure will be the same size as a STATION and will function similarly to a STATION. - Once docked inside the ARENA (a STATION) you will be able to go into your CAPTAINS QUARTERS (a new addition coming June 21 that allows you to walk around) and from your CAPTAINS QUARTERS door that leads to the interior section of the STATION (in this case, the ARENA) where you will go into a large lobby with REGISTRATION DESKS. - At a REGISTRATION DESK you can either CREATE or ACCEPT a CHALLENGE. - A CHALLENGE is a customizable agreement to fight. As outlined above you can determine what ship hulls and tech are allowed amongst many other options. You can customize how many ships will be on each teams as well. - Once a CHALLENGE is ACCEPTed the pilots will be put back into their ships and WARPED to a deadspace unwarpable area for the fight. - To further clarify the area you are sent to: It will be an area of the system you are in where only the ships involved in the fight can go to (via an automatic warp to ensure all participants participate upon accepting a CHALLENGE) and where you cannot warp out of or leave. - The OBJECTIVE is to PVP. When a competitor or team is destroyed - an acceleration gate is unlocked inside the battlefield for all participants to return to the ARENA. - The acceleration gate will automatically warp pilots back to the ARENA structure and dock them, returning them to the lobby. This will allow for smack talk amongst other things.
This is as broken down as I can possibly make it. To further clarify I would say (or repeat): 1) This allows for real 1 v 1s or setup fights where its ships vs ships and no buddies can sway the battle. 2) THIS DOES NOT REPLACE EVE PVP. This is a completely different type of PVP, and while fun, it does not replace the same feeling as non arena and spontaneous PVP.
Ill add more if I see its still beyond your grasp of understanding.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.31 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tyme Xandr on 31/05/2011 01:08:33 And Judging from your Killboard Sheiko, which doesnt exist, I am not sure you are really fit to discuss this situation.
And forum PVP does not count, unfortunately.
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Shieko Chan
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Posted - 2011.05.31 17:28:00 -
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Quote: Sheiko - the problem is that people dont adhere to the rules when they can have friends/buddies help them out. An arena would allow for dictated fights.
They do if they want to participate and win..as always a rule uninforced is just a suggestion.
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Shieko Chan
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Posted - 2011.05.31 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tyme Xandr Edited by: Tyme Xandr on 31/05/2011 01:08:33 And Judging from your Killboard Sheiko, which doesnt exist, I am not sure you are really fit to discuss this situation.
And forum PVP does not count, unfortunately.
Don't try to make this about me. This is about your suggestion which I don't believe is a good one.
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Brandoe Chung
Gallente Phoenix Industries Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2011.05.31 17:40:00 -
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I like the idea. And no I don't think it would take away from regular PvP since it would be voluntary so if you don't want to do it don't. Just like incursions and FW.
You could also introduce betting which could be utilized as an isk sink if CCP wanted too. If you lose the isk is gone if not you make some isk.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.31 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tyme Xandr on 31/05/2011 23:35:57
Originally by: Shieko Chan
Quote: Sheiko - the problem is that people dont adhere to the rules when they can have friends/buddies help them out. An arena would allow for dictated fights.
They do if they want to participate and win..as always a rule uninforced is just a suggestion.
What are you even saying? You have no idea whats even going on in this thread, do you?
Originally by: Shieko Chan
Originally by: Tyme Xandr Edited by: Tyme Xandr on 31/05/2011 01:08:33 And Judging from your Killboard Sheiko, which doesnt exist, I am not sure you are really fit to discuss this situation.
And forum PVP does not count, unfortunately.
Don't try to make this about me. This is about your suggestion which I don't believe is a good one.
This is about you. its about you and your inability to understand where the want for this lies. Maybe if you got out of your veldspar field and checked it out you might understand.
This isnt about making a corporation where hundreds if not thousands of people would join to do PVP tournaments. The need for this structure isnt so extreme that entire corporations could be made out of it, especially considering people have their own reasons and areas that they play EVE in for their own reasons. This is about logging into EVE Online and going to an arena for some event style PVP. Not me starting a PVP corp, as I barely have enough time to participate in this huge war going on in nullsec as it is let alone run a corporation.
I appreciate that you have opinion, its just unfortunate that you have no idea what your talking about - or you lack the means to convey what you feel properly.
If you continue to make uninformed posts in this thread I will just simply ignore them from now on. I have already explained the reason for this expansion of EVE Online's player vs player environment, I have explained the method of such an addition, and I have explained that what your saying either doesnt make sense or has nothing to do with what this topic is about.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.31 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Brandoe Chung I like the idea. And no I don't think it would take away from regular PvP since it would be voluntary so if you don't want to do it don't. Just like incursions and FW.
Exactly, its an optional outlet for PVP. The wars for territory and resources will continue. The carebears will still mission. Miners will still stare at rocks all day. Production will continue making ships and modules. Gankers will still gank. Griefers will still hold corps hostage. Life will continue on EVE.
Only now, when they have the itch to have a quick 1 v 1 or group vs group they can take a couple jumps over to their factions Arena and blow some **** up and have some fun for a bit with non traditional PVP.
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Gnean Tyrova
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:22:00 -
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+1
The major concern/aspect that would need to be included though would be a total loss of modules/salvage from destroyed ships. Essentially, this is strictly PvP for the sake of wanting to blow up one more ship.
They could always include some for of mutual reward for winning ( such as: each player puts in 100k into a pot and if they win they get the whole pot ), but that would be purely optional.
If anything, I believe it would help increase traffic into lowsec/nullsec as players would become more confident ( even over-confident ) in their PvP abilities.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tyme Xandr on 01/06/2011 00:37:51 Yeah, a system of betting could be incorporated. So long, as you said, it were optional, or even a last 'screen' kind of ordeal allowing for betting before your put into your ship and thrown into the arena, where the bet can always be turned down without the fight being stopped. I just wouldnt want a bunch of challenges being put up there requiring a bet.
Originally by: Gnean Tyrova If anything, I believe it would help increase traffic into lowsec/nullsec as players would become more confident ( even over-confident ) in their PvP abilities.
I agree. I find the biggest thing preventing a player from going into lowsec, or participating in a roam, is their lack of confidence in their skills and their ships.
They look at their EFT and say 'Well I have a huge Exp hole in my armor ... IF I run into 'this' it will surely destroy me ... i should wait ...'
This will get noobs to realize if they skill up in their Rifters and Punishers they can definitely have a role in small gang and fleet ops. And they can learn what and how their role performs all without worrying about screwing their buddies.
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Agetec Core
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2011.06.01 09:56:00 -
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Um... just a thought... Shieko seems to be trolling you, I wouldn't bother arguing further. I don't see anything good coming from it. They get it, might even like it - they just want to be immature and try and drive you nuts.
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DetCord Saisio
Caldari UnchainedPotential Hand That Feeds
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Posted - 2011.06.01 10:37:00 -
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/supported as long as the pvp arena session is entirely customizable; otherwise, /not supported.
A thought to add: you would want this at a hub or large station, though not to make lag worse. This would be a huge ISK sink, and the market demand for ships and modules near these pvp arenas would increase as well. Locating this type of venture near a cheap source of goods would be a smart move.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.01 10:46:00 -
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imo as long as the can trick is around, ccp should seriously look into arenas.
however imo one per faction is still pushing it. there needs to be one, singluar hub right in the middle of the map. I say right in the very 1st system in eve, with the eve gate.
Then have it so you can que up for fights that take place one a month and are handled via programed match-up UI. You;ll know when you're matches are, and you'll have to be ready 5 mins ahead of time to dock up with the arena.
Let people bet on fights, make sure ship lost is real.
By having only a center monthly hub for consensual pvp you INCREASE the sandbox feel of the game.
the issue with instanced wow arena is you teleport out of the game world and just fight randomly for some points to buy something.
With a central REAL arena in the game world, where the only way to make awards is to bet on yourself, you open a whole new gameplay style into the game. Plus think of the suicide ganking potential : )
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
1. however imo one per faction is still pushing it. there needs to be one, singluar hub right in the middle of the map. I say right in the very 1st system in eve, with the eve gate.
2. Then have it so you can que up for fights that take place one a month and are handled via programed match-up UI. You;ll know when you're matches are, and you'll have to be ready 5 mins ahead of time to dock up with the arena.
3. Let people bet on fights, make sure ship lost is real.
4. By having only a center monthly hub for consensual pvp you INCREASE the sandbox feel of the game.
5. the issue with instanced wow arena is you teleport out of the game world and just fight randomly for some points to buy something.
6. With a central REAL arena in the game world, where the only way to make awards is to bet on yourself, you open a whole new gameplay style into the game. Plus think of the suicide ganking potential : )
1. A lot of people cant go into other factions areas. Especially militia.
2. I think its best to just go and create or accept a fight. No reason to complicate it, and it isnt a career (necessarily).
3. With Incarna I think a betting system could be implemented, as could be viewing.
4. As said before, some people cant go into certain factions space. Whether it security status or militia. Keeping a Arena system in each factions space will: --A: Cause for people not allowed in areas to fight. --B: Cause factions space market hubs to increase in trade. --C: As long as its a system away from the HUB it will cut down on congestion, but keep trade high, and might even make a small niche market in arena system if its 1+ jumps away from hub (Dodixe, Rens, Amarr/Taru, etc).
5. This PVP will accelerate you into a deadspace/non warpable area. This cuts will stop interference. The rewards of PVPing is the KM and any 'bet isk'.
6. Not sure what your meaning with suicide ganking with the arena. Can you clarify?
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.06.02 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
however imo one per faction is still pushing it. there needs to be one, singluar hub right in the middle of the map. I say right in the very 1st system in eve, with the eve gate.
Isn't that in lowsec anyway?
Round up some friends and set up the system yourself.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.02 17:15:00 -
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Danika, what r u? Elvis' alt?
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.06.02 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tyme Xandr Danika, what r u? Elvis' alt?
Every single person who ever disagrees with you in FID is actually MY alt. Remember that.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.02 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Danika Princip
Originally by: Tyme Xandr Danika, what r u? Elvis' alt?
Every single person who ever disagrees with you in FID is actually MY alt. Remember that.
Ahhh ... ill be sure to watch out.
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.06.11 12:21:00 -
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If you want UFC, make it. You don't need CCP to make it for you.
See, the UFC guys are perfectly capable of killing each other. It's just that they don't.
So, that's what you and your new organization (EFC?) should do.
It's really that simple. Go do it. Nobody is stopping you. If someone causes trouble, you and the rest of the fighters gang up and trash them.
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TheExtruder
Caldari Malicious Destruction War Against the Manifest
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Posted - 2011.06.11 12:54:00 -
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dont listen to danika, she's just mad becuase she is ugly
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Shin Dari
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Posted - 2011.06.11 13:23:00 -
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It would be great for new players to have such an option and it will not reduce true pvp in Eve.
I support your idea.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente United Eve Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Michela If you want UFC, make it. You don't need CCP to make it for you.
See, the UFC guys are perfectly capable of killing each other. It's just that they don't.
So, that's what you and your new organization (EFC?) should do.
It's really that simple. Go do it. Nobody is stopping you. If someone causes trouble, you and the rest of the fighters gang up and trash them.
Welcome to EVE.
You obviously have difficulty reading.
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DeftCrow Redriver
Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.11 18:45:00 -
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I like the OP's analogy of the arena as amateur boxing or sparring. There are other good ideas listed here, so I give my support.
Originally by: Michela If you want UFC, make it. You don't need CCP to make it for you.
See, the UFC guys are perfectly capable of killing each other. It's just that they don't.
So, that's what you and your new organization (EFC?) should do.
It's really that simple. Go do it. Nobody is stopping you. If someone causes trouble, you and the rest of the fighters gang up and trash them.
Welcome to EVE.
You simply don't understand the concept of law, do you.
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Somal Thunder
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.11 21:04:00 -
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ever heard of factional warfare? Just sayin'.
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HELLBOUNDMAN
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Posted - 2011.06.11 21:12:00 -
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I personally don't mind this idea... Would be a good place for non pvp'ers to learn some skills... Would also be a good place for fleet pvp challenges without risking the aggression counter... Basically, it's a place for carebears to pvp and learn skills, while at the same time allowing players to use smart bombs, and bombers to their full use in high sec. Pretty much a place for constant alliance tournaments in high sec....would be fun
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RavenTesio
Caldari Liandri Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shieko Chan My problem with a fixed arena style play is it's decidedly not sandbox. If you want to duel someone set it up or drop a can. That said, you could always participate in the regular tourney sponsored by ccp if you want that structured non-sandbox feel.
There are enough Player-run Tournaments as well, in-fact a number of corporations/alliances I know generally have in-house Tournaments.
Having a structure specifically for creating a deadspace pocket that has the acceleration gate customisable; built upon the system implimented for FW... honestly I think would really add a lot to the game.
While you might say this takes away from the "Sandbox" nature, but actually what is being suggested here is rather an official in-game system for what a large majority of people already do.
And in-fact the idea go further than that, because what is being suggested is this is a new type of Structure; so this would be something obviously you'd build, and could run as a Corporation; in high-sec/null-sec the same Sovereignty / Standing would be required to anchour.
Some nice passive income, perhaps an API to link to a 3rd party website for running tournaments; providing prizes; etc...
Also could have it so the Arena, like Outposts are not destroyable once deployed; but could be unanchoured. Throw in the requirement to have to pay a maintainence bill to keep it up .. or just that they deteriorate over time requiring some something like Mechanical Blocks or Nanites to keep repaired; once they hit 0% they just go pop.
So the same as a Starbase fuel, only when it runs out it disappears.
Would also be awesome if it allowed spectators, so you would dock up your ship; sit in the Arena (just like Incarna will allow with Captain's Quarters) and the view shows an in-game tactical view with camera controls and showing teams down the side... just like the current official Alliance Tournament does on EVETV.
At no point has it been said as a "replacement" to the current ways for concentual/non-concent pvp.. but rather as another way to have pvp.
If it worked based on the basic system they have in-place for Faction Warfare Deadspace / Complexes this could have knock-on effects for other aspects of EVE, for example Null-Sec Alliances being able to create their own Agents on their Outposts. Aleast the way I see them potencially implimenting such a concept.
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente United Eve Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.12 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Somal Thunder ever heard of factional warfare? Just sayin'.
Youve obviously never been in FW. Nor do you understand what the concept of this is if your suggesting FW.
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.06.12 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tyme Xandr
Originally by: Michela If you want UFC, make it. You don't need CCP to make it for you.
See, the UFC guys are perfectly capable of killing each other. It's just that they don't.
So, that's what you and your new organization (EFC?) should do.
It's really that simple. Go do it. Nobody is stopping you. If someone causes trouble, you and the rest of the fighters gang up and trash them.
Welcome to EVE.
You obviously have difficulty reading.
No, in fact I read your entire suggestion. If you want your proposal to gain a lot of support, make sure that you have answers to all reasonable challenges.
Simply saying "you can't read" is not a reasonable response to my challenge. Your response is petty and defensive.
As another has pointed out, many corporations run tournaments already. They are done all the time with no issues. There is nothing stopping you from doing the same right now.
Organize it. It could be cool. |
Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.06.12 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver I like the OP's analogy of the arena as amateur boxing or sparring. There are other good ideas listed here, so I give my support.
Originally by: Michela If you want UFC, make it. You don't need CCP to make it for you.
See, the UFC guys are perfectly capable of killing each other. It's just that they don't.
So, that's what you and your new organization (EFC?) should do.
It's really that simple. Go do it. Nobody is stopping you. If someone causes trouble, you and the rest of the fighters gang up and trash them.
Welcome to EVE.
You simply don't understand the concept of law, do you.
You know, if you want to be clever, put in complete responses. I understand perfectly the rule of law. However, this is EVE and things are different here in some ways.
Are you saying that you want the rule of law to take effect? Have server-enforced rules for PvP arenas?
Or, are you saying something else?
In any case, if you want to have smarmy answers, you should at least make them complete smarmy answers. |
Tyme Xandr
Gallente United Eve Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.13 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Michela
Originally by: Tyme Xandr
Originally by: Michela If you want UFC, make it. You don't need CCP to make it for you.
See, the UFC guys are perfectly capable of killing each other. It's just that they don't.
So, that's what you and your new organization (EFC?) should do.
It's really that simple. Go do it. Nobody is stopping you. If someone causes trouble, you and the rest of the fighters gang up and trash them.
Welcome to EVE.
You obviously have difficulty reading.
No, in fact I read your entire suggestion. If you want your proposal to gain a lot of support, make sure that you have answers to all reasonable challenges.
Simply saying "you can't read" is not a reasonable response to my challenge. Your response is petty and defensive.
As another has pointed out, many corporations run tournaments already. They are done all the time with no issues. There is nothing stopping you from doing the same right now.
Organize it. It could be cool.
This would be on a larger scale then corporations. As in New Eden sized. Like, the total population.
You keep saying I havent answered your questions - but questions and assertions are irrelevant. This would be a structure where you DONT NEED TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE FIGHTING. ITS A RANDOM PERSON.
Its not a bunch of guys in a corp
Its not an alliance that has to have everyone steal from cans between corps before fighting.
Its a STRUCTURE called an ARENA where you can go on a whim (as in anytime) and look for challenges from a LARGE GROUP of players whom you wont be learning about and see their ship progression and skill progression. People you havent flown with and against daily.
If you dont want to do this you dont have to. Just because you have no interest in it doesnt mean that many others wouldnt. You have idiots all over New Eden with jetcans out expecting some sucker to fight them. Itll be a legit 1 v 1 until the dude things hes going to lose, then his friends jump in. There are some legit people trying to do this as well - I am sure, but EVE isnt a game where you blindly trust people - I would hope you know this.
So once again, just because I can make a Tournament corp (which I wouldn't have the time to do regardless) doesn't mean this isn't something that would appeal to a mass group of people.
The idea is simple. This arena would do a few things (which I am reiterating ... again ... for you).
1: Quick PVP (no roaming for a target, baiting, etc). 2: Give a different experience of PVP (since random PVP isnt like structured PVP). 3: Give newer players some experience flying a combat ship. 4: Give people that combat thirst. Make them want to start PVPing with friends, or look for PVP friends. 5: Everything else i said in this thread.
This is just one more thing to add to EVE Onlines list of **** to do in EVE. It DOESNT REPLACE anything (except many idiots waiting outside stations with Jetcans outside of stations).
And its not me getting defensive. Its me wondering how your coming about with your reasoning when ive explained several times why. It may not be to your liking, since you cant seem to understand the idea in the first place, but I feel I have been INCREDIBLY comprehensive in my explanations and answers.
It feels like im stationed in Georgia again sometimes in F&I. Really does.
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