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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:01:00 -
[1]
i did test this on test server :)
1 go to eve folder
2 look for a file named resInteriorRacial.stuff http://i.imgur.com/fvtUE.jpg
3 now you need to edit the file permission for the user account
4 go to users and click the edit button
5 on the deny column mark the read http://i.imgur.com/t3elb.jpg this will deny your user account to read that file so when you launch the game you wont get to load the file
result http://i.imgur.com/5PF7z.jpg
enjoy 
vs nyan cat pH
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Dr Larry Goldstein
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:03:00 -
[2]
My immersion...
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Ardamalis
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:08:00 -
[3]
Thats great. Now maybe, people will stop complaining about how there is no opt-out feature for Incarna. |
Mylor Torlone
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:14:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Ardamalis
Thats great. Now maybe, people will stop complaining about how there is no opt-out feature for Incarna.
It helps, but those people are still 100% correct. There should be an opt-out feature, and it's sad we have to hack it in there.
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:17:00 -
[5]
Could that be classed as client modification?
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:20:00 -
[6]
Thanks for that 
It'll probably be against the EULA though as it is a client modification that makes your game much easier than other players so you gain an unfair advantage in loading times and such...
Better petition it for clarification before you start doing it in anger...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:21:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Could that be classed as client modification?
That one was predictable .. how dare anyone refuse CCP's beneficence?!?! BAN HIM!
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Aurora Fire
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:21:00 -
[8]
Simple check box:
Dock and stay in hangar.
Dock and go have a drink.
Life would be so much better...
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Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:24:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Aurora Fire
Simple check box:
Dock and stay in hangar.
Dock and go have a drink.
Life would be so much better...
Just wait .. the resulting check box will take 6 months to design and implement but will somehow lock-up your market screen.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:24:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Could that be classed as client modification?
i would say he modified his OS and not the client (he didn't modified any file after all), but hard to tell if CCP will say the same...
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Mkah Mvet
Duolith Systems
Beyond-Control
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:25:00 -
[11]
thank you sir.
As one who's already blocked all portraits from the game, and prefers to remain a silhouette, I was wanting to look into doing exactly what you posted.
Now we just need to put together a script to automate the process (and to reverse it), and to automate some mail to CCP so they know that nobody wants to be forced into the long-ass loading times.
Silhouettes unite!
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Doctor Deals
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:26:00 -
[12]
looks great +1
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:28:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Could that be classed as client modification?
no i dint did a modification on permissions for a user account in my own OS win 7 is not owned/developed by CCP
vs nyan cat pH
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Aurora Fire
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:37:00 -
[14]
Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 25/05/2011 19:28:29
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Could that be classed as client modification?
no i dint did a modification on permissions for a user account in my own OS win 7 is not owned/developed by CCP
If i was a dev wanting to screw with you i would write:
You remotely modified a client by not allowing it to do what it was supposed to do.
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:43:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Aurora Fire
Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 25/05/2011 19:28:29
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Could that be classed as client modification?
no i dint did a modification on permissions for a user account in my own OS win 7 is not owned/developed by CCP
If i was a dev wanting to screw with you i would write:
You remotely modified a client by not allowing it to do what it was supposed to do.
lol, half the time the client doesn't do what it's supposed to do even if you don't adjust your SYSTEM SETTINGS. Also file permissions are SYSTEM SETTINGS, and don't change the client at all. Not even by a single bit. And what's the worst that will happen? A ban? From a game where the devs are increasingly focusing on lying to and screwing over their players? oooh, big loss.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:43:00 -
[16]
Can you do the same to the clouds?
uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ |
Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:43:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Dr Larry Goldstein
My immersion...
...saved!
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Originally by: Sporked
EVE IS DYING RUN TO THE HILLS! WE MIGHT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS MMO! THEY MIGHT SHOOT AT US WHILE WE ARE BUSY HOLDING HANDS AND FROLICKING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:46:00 -
[18]
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Can you do the same to the clouds?
no, but i know someone who wants them j/k
vs nyan cat pH
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:51:00 -
[19]
It's sad that CCP cannot appreciate how some people would not want to be forced to load all that crappy WIS junk when they have to dock.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.25 20:20:00 -
[20]
Before you do this, please hand over all your stuff to me, because you will have no need for it after CCP discovered you.
Quote:
Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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oniplE
MeMento.
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Posted - 2011.05.25 20:31:00 -
[21]
What's interesting is that this trick actually works. You should at least get an error message saying a certain client module couldn't be loaded.
Perhaps this is an indication that there WILL be an OFF switch? Apparently it's technically possible...
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.05.25 20:37:00 -
[22]
nice going now ccp will make it crash if you do that
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Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.25 20:39:00 -
[23]
Originally by: salty Milk
nice going now ccp will make it crash if you do that
So how's that different than most patches?
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.25 20:54:00 -
[24]
Edited by: ceaon on 25/05/2011 20:55:48
Originally by: salty Milk
nice going now ccp will make it crash if you do that
there must be another solution
vs nyan cat pH
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:32:00 -
[25]
Well... if CQ runs fine, I'll leave it. I don't mind it, even a few seconds of loading I don't mind.
But if it hinders my ability to actually play (like trying to do the CC did), then I'm using this.
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Xavier Isaacson
Minmatar
Surface Detail
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:39:00 -
[26]
Originally by: ceaon
win 7 is not owned/developed by CCP
WOW REALLY? OMFG SHOCKZOR!!!
Originally by: Verone
BBC Trust are a sack of arses.
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andeira
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:48:00 -
[27]
they have stated that they haven't really started on optimizing loading times. Once most of the work is done they go work on that and at the release it should load as smooth as your current hanger.
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Originally by: Stitcher
For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
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Eridanus Cassiopeia
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:48:00 -
[28]
Only those who are running armada of miner or ratting bots are complaining about CQ... Or tradebots.
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Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:50:00 -
[29]
Originally by: andeira
they have stated that they haven't really started on optimizing loading times. Once most of the work is done they go work on that and at the release it should load as smooth as your current hanger.
Just like the polishing of the new forums, I'm sure.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.25 22:15:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Eridanus Cassiopeia
Only those who are running armada of miner or ratting bots are complaining about CQ... Or tradebots.
False.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.25 22:22:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Yakov Pavlov
Originally by: andeira
they have stated that they haven't really started on optimizing loading times. Once most of the work is done they go work on that and at the release it should load as smooth as your current hanger.
Just like the polishing of the new forums, I'm sure.
That's right... CCP hasn't waved the magic wand that makes things that are **** into not-****. Man. Why haven't they waved that magic wand at their other abject failures?
I'll say this again: Stuff. Takes longer to load than. No stuff. Didn't they cover "which is bigger" in preschool?
And the definition of 'stuff' is 'filler' which is what CQ and incarna is. No value, just filler, that sits heavily in your stomach and makes you sick.
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2011.05.25 23:31:00 -
[32]
Ever since the original Incurstion patch with the new OVERFANCY portrait crap and the removal of the "only load portraits WHEN ASKED FOR" option, my gate jump times have gone through the roof (literally have at LEAST increased to TRIPLE or more) due to the fact I HAVE to download the damned portraits even though I have NEVER wanted the things.
Now we have this overfancy fluff "captain's quarters" crap, that I TRIED to look at on Duality but couldn't even DOCK due to how long and how much excessive way overkill graphics IT DOWNLOADS.
I WANT OPT OUT.
I WANT THE OLD "no portraits" option BACK.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PLAY THE GAME instead of having to wait literally MINUTES to download this worthless fancy graphic fluff crap.
Hint. Large parts of the world don't HAVE 100 MB or even 10MB or in MY case don't even have access to *ONE FLIPPING MEGABIT* download speeds.
Don't even get me started on download CAPS - "unlimited" internet is a dying thing, even in some parts of the world where it USED to be the norm.
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Acetane
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Posted - 2011.05.25 23:37:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Leocadminone
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PLAY THE GAME instead of having to wait literally MINUTES to download this worthless fancy graphic fluff crap.
guessing u dont have an ipod then?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.25 23:39:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Leocadminone
OVERFANCY portrait crap and the removal of the "only load portraits WHEN ASKED FOR" option, my gate jump times have gone through the roof (literally have at LEAST increased to TRIPLE or more) due to the fact I HAVE to download the damned portraits even though I have NEVER wanted the things.
Edit your "hosts" file, add image.eveonline.com as 127.0.0.1 and enjoy avatarless everything on that machine.
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2011.05.25 23:48:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Aurora Fire
Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 25/05/2011 19:28:29
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Could that be classed as client modification?
no i dint did a modification on permissions for a user account in my own OS win 7 is not owned/developed by CCP
If i was a dev wanting to screw with you i would write:
You remotely modified a client by not allowing it to do what it was supposed to do.
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Software Engineer
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.25 23:54:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 25/05/2011 23:55:00
Originally by: mkint
what's the worst that will happen? A ban? From a game where the devs are increasingly focusing on lying to and screwing over their players? oooh, big loss.
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Or you could listen to your customers and acknowledge a very simple request, rather than antagonizing them. Listen to them, or don't. It's your paycheck. 
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Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.05.25 23:59:00 -
[37]
would now be a good moment to mention my petition to request ccp make CQ optional upon docking? Head over to assembly hall if interested ;-)
And yes joking aside, allowing players to turn off decorative fluff (char portraits for example) for performance issues, when lag is a real issue, and not all your customers enjoy nice high-speed internet, would be a lot better than spending your time coming up with ways to override peoples workarounds. Even if only humorously.
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford
bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function 
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:02:00 -
[38]
Yes I'm slightly worried how this entire incarna station will run on my ATI Radeon 2600 Pro. The character editor was quite a pain already...
The computer works fine and currently eve is running more than fine also... Got no plans to buy new gfx card just to enjoy longer loading times.
There will be bloody ingame headshot "if keep old hangar ui"-button is missing ;)
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Kaidu Kahn
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:09:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
thank you sir.
As one who's already blocked all portraits from the game, and prefers to remain a silhouette, I was wanting to look into doing exactly what you posted.
Now we just need to put together a script to automate the process (and to reverse it), and to automate some mail to CCP so they know that nobody wants to be forced into the long-ass loading times.
Silhouettes unite!
I fully support this.
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Hesperius
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:14:00 -
[40]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Can you validate some players to undock and play the spaceship game instead?
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ModeratedToSilence
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:16:00 -
[41]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Aurora Fire
Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 25/05/2011 19:28:29
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Could that be classed as client modification?
no i dint did a modification on permissions for a user account in my own OS win 7 is not owned/developed by CCP
If i was a dev wanting to screw with you i would write:
You remotely modified a client by not allowing it to do what it was supposed to do.
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
ahahah
1. Eve players receive non core add on to game product from ccp.
2. Eve players ask CCP nicely to make non core add on optional.
3. CCP sits on its hands and does nothing.
4. Playerbase speculation begins - is it possible? does this indicate a new direction in development? why are ccp adding huge amounts of data to session changes when they know session change lag is already a major frustration to players?
5. Eve player with inititative creates way to remove non core add on from interaction with operating system.
6. CCP finally respond with a "Play our game the way we want you to!!!" complete with an emoticon - twisted emoticon how appropriate.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:27:00 -
[42]
Awesome!!!
If only CCP had the sense to include a checkbox to allow us to save power/time/waiting/lag/money.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:29:00 -
[43]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
**** YOU!!!
We don't want to load this ****... Get it?
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white kight
Helljumpers
En Garde
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:30:00 -
[44]
Edited by: white kight on 26/05/2011 00:30:14
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Awesome!!!
If only CCP had the sense to include a checkbox to allow us to save power/time/waiting/lag/money.
its the little red cross top right of the screen when your in windowed, otherwise press escape, click on quit game and click yes.
Voila your tickbox sir.
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
:facepalm:
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:34:00 -
[45]
Originally by: white kight
Edited by: white kight on 26/05/2011 00:30:14
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Awesome!!!
If only CCP had the sense to include a checkbox to allow us to save power/time/waiting/lag/money.
its the little red cross top right of the screen when your in windowed, otherwise press escape, click on quit game and click yes.
Voila your tickbox sir.
cool i found it! thanks!
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On Twitter
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:41:00 -
[46]
Originally by: white kight
its the little red cross top right of the screen when your in windowed, otherwise press escape, click on quit game and click yes.
Already unsubscribed 3 accounts due to CCP platitudes, lies, lack of development and complete and total neglect of major expansions after release.
CCP don't want to work on their game... Well I don't want to feed them.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:52:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: white kight
its the little red cross top right of the screen when your in windowed, otherwise press escape, click on quit game and click yes.
Already unsubscribed 3 accounts due to CCP platitudes, lies, lack of development and complete and total neglect of major expansions after release.
CCP don't want to work on their game... Well I don't want to feed them.
And, does it work?
I mean, if you still have to go to the forums and yell at them and make yourself look like a moron something is telling me you're not grown up yet 
As for the 'fix' by the OP.. lol. You can't even touch the *.ini files in the root of the eve folder without the client to freak out. As soon as CQ is part of Eve this thing will be hard-wired and your client won't load if you tamper with it. And disabling files from being able to be loaded by the client is tampering with the client.
As for the whole show here.. lol.. you play a video game that evolves and needs better hardware each other year. 'Deal with it whiners or find another hobby' is all I got to say about that.
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:59:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 26/05/2011 01:00:21
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: white kight
its the little red cross top right of the screen when your in windowed, otherwise press escape, click on quit game and click yes.
Already unsubscribed 3 accounts due to CCP platitudes, lies, lack of development and complete and total neglect of major expansions after release.
CCP don't want to work on their game... Well I don't want to feed them.
The more and more I see out of CCP, their development direction seems like a controlled crash. Maybe they decided fixing 8 years of poorly written code (in python no less) is a huge money sink. So they buy white wolf and use the EVE player base to beta test the tech for World of Darkness. They give us bold faced lies like "Commit to Excellence." They even created the CSM so they could have the illusion of giving a ****.
The writing is already on the wall people. They are unable or unwilling to work on the core game play elements of eve online.
The last good content they delivered was Apochrypha. They promised iteration on that and have yet to deliver. Then came Dominion, big promises where 35% of them were delivered, mostly broken. Since that patch you got LOL PI (it looks like a high school student made that single handedly in 1 semester) and WEBPAGE content. The next patch was a rework of LOL PI and what...umm err... oh yeah, nothing. Next up, Incursions. Guess what guys, we recycled apocrypha and put it in normal space. No new content, just the same **** with new gift wrap.
You can make a baby giggle with a rhinestone covered rattle, but if you don't put any god damn meat on the table that little ****er is going to starve to death.
CCP is like children's breakfast cereal, fancy bright packaging filled with negligible nutritional content. Hey look there is even a useless toy ship at the bottom of the bag.
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ModeratedToSilence
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Posted - 2011.05.26 01:02:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
As for the 'fix' by the OP.. lol. You can't even touch the *.ini files in the root of the eve folder without the client to freak out. As soon as CQ is part of Eve this thing will be hard-wired and your client won't load if you tamper with it. And disabling files from being able to be loaded by the client is tampering with the client.
As for the whole show here.. lol.. you play a video game that evolves and needs better hardware each other year. 'Deal with it whiners or find another hobby' is all I got to say about that.
Fix works for me. Can you be more specific regarding, "without the client to freak out" I'm not sure i follow your specific form of IT lingo.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
The 8th Order
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Posted - 2011.05.26 01:23:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Yakov Pavlov
Originally by: andeira
they have stated that they haven't really started on optimizing loading times. Once most of the work is done they go work on that and at the release it should load as smooth as your current hanger.
Just like the polishing of the new forums, I'm sure.
BOOM HEADSHOT
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.05.26 01:32:00 -
[51]
Originally by: ModeratedToSilence
Originally by: Tres Farmer
As for the 'fix' by the OP.. lol. You can't even touch the *.ini files in the root of the eve folder without the client to freak out. As soon as CQ is part of Eve this thing will be hard-wired and your client won't load if you tamper with it. And disabling files from being able to be loaded by the client is tampering with the client.
As for the whole show here.. lol.. you play a video game that evolves and needs better hardware each other year. 'Deal with it whiners or find another hobby' is all I got to say about that.
Fix works for me. Can you be more specific regarding, "without the client to freak out" I'm not sure i follow your specific form of IT lingo.
Go to your ..\CCP\EVE\ folder and change the read permissions for either 'common.ini' or 'start.ini'. Some years ago you could adjust settings via those files (screenres and whatnot) before starting the client.
Try to start your client..
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
ModeratedToSilence
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Posted - 2011.05.26 01:38:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: ModeratedToSilence
Originally by: Tres Farmer
As for the 'fix' by the OP.. lol. You can't even touch the *.ini files in the root of the eve folder without the client to freak out. As soon as CQ is part of Eve this thing will be hard-wired and your client won't load if you tamper with it. And disabling files from being able to be loaded by the client is tampering with the client.
As for the whole show here.. lol.. you play a video game that evolves and needs better hardware each other year. 'Deal with it whiners or find another hobby' is all I got to say about that.
Fix works for me. Can you be more specific regarding, "without the client to freak out" I'm not sure i follow your specific form of IT lingo.
Go to your ..\CCP\EVE\ folder and change the read permissions for either 'common.ini' or 'start.ini'. Some years ago you could adjust settings via those files (screenres and whatnot) before starting the client.
Try to start your client..
Did you read the ccp guys post in this thread?
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.05.26 01:39:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: white kight
its the little red cross top right of the screen when your in windowed, otherwise press escape, click on quit game and click yes.
Already unsubscribed 3 accounts due to CCP platitudes, lies, lack of development and complete and total neglect of major expansions after release.
CCP don't want to work on their game... Well I don't want to feed them.
The more and more I see out of CCP, their development direction seems like a controlled crash. Maybe they decided fixing 8 years of poorly written code (in python no less) is a huge money sink. So they buy white wolf and use the EVE player base to beta test the tech for World of Darkness. They give us bold faced lies like "Commit to Excellence." They even created the CSM so they could have the illusion of giving a ****.
The writing is already on the wall people. They are unable or unwilling to work on the core game play elements of eve online.
The last good content they delivered was Apochrypha. They promised iteration on that and have yet to deliver. Then came Dominion, big promises where 35% of them were delivered, mostly broken. Since that patch you got LOL PI (it looks like a high school student made that single handedly in 1 semester) and WEBPAGE content. The next patch was a rework of LOL PI and what...umm err... oh yeah, nothing. Next up, Incursions. Guess what guys, we recycled apocrypha and put it in normal space. No new content, just the same **** with new gift wrap.
You can make a baby giggle with a rhinestone covered rattle, but if you don't put any god damn meat on the table that little ****er is going to starve to death.
CCP is like children's breakfast cereal, fancy bright packaging filled with negligible nutritional content. Hey look there is even a useless toy ship at the bottom of the bag.
Start your own company, make a rather successful niche game, grow from 14 to 600 employees and do all of this without screwing some things up somewhere.
You guys really think that the current leadership within CCP has taken management, product development and quality control in with their breast-milk, don't ya?
Get real.
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.05.26 01:46:00 -
[54]
Originally by: ModeratedToSilence
Originally by: Tres Farmer
*snip*
Go to your ..\CCP\EVE\ folder and change the read permissions for either 'common.ini' or 'start.ini'. Some years ago you could adjust settings via those files (screenres and whatnot) before starting the client.
Try to start your client..
Did you read the ccp guys post in this thread?
Yes, all files that are part of the clients TQ (release) branch are in the manifest and thus any tampering with them will render the client broken.
As the current Duality built (stable) isn't, most of the new stuff wont be included in the 'hardwiring' and thus the 'fix' of the OP works.
As soon as CQ goes to the TQ branch it will be (thank those botters+macroers+cheaters) and thus the 'fix' is useless.
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Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.26 02:20:00 -
[55]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
If i was a dev wanting to screw with you i would write:
You remotely modified a client by not allowing it to do what it was supposed to do.
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
That's some gall .. you've got thread after thread of customer feedback begging for even a word from a Dev or some sort of acknowledgement. One such issue is to make the rather pointless (from a gameplay perspective) first iteration of Icarna optional.
And a CCP Dev has the gall to simply mock these concerns ... wow, did you get any friggin customer service training along with your precious dev forum login?! If you worked for my company, it would be a cold day in hell before I let you anywhere near a customer.
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Palovana
Caldari
Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.26 02:33:00 -
[56]
Originally by: ceaon
i did test this on test server :)
1 go to eve folder
2 look for a file named resInteriorRacial.stuff http://i.imgur.com/fvtUE.jpg
3 now you need to edit the file permission for the user account
4 go to users and click the edit button
5 on the deny column mark the read http://i.imgur.com/t3elb.jpg this will deny your user account to read that file so when you launch the game you wont get to load the file
result http://i.imgur.com/5PF7z.jpg
enjoy
Tried this on Linux:
chmod 000 $WINEPREFIX/drive_c/Program\ Files/CCP/Duality/resInteriorRacial.stuff
It didn't load CQ but left me with a "sinking" feeling.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.05.26 02:37:00 -
[57]
Some people are NEVER happy.
You will find something else to bother you soon enough.
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IsTheOpOver
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Posted - 2011.05.26 02:45:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Start your own company, make a rather successful niche game, grow from 14 to 600 employees and do all of this without screwing some things up somewhere.
They actually found 600 people to work for beer?
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.26 02:52:00 -
[59]
Originally by: IsTheOpOver
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Start your own company, make a rather successful niche game, grow from 14 to 600 employees and do all of this without screwing some things up somewhere.
They actually found 600 people to work for beer?
ROFL! Funny cause it's true.
CCP pay is about the lowest you could find.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:11:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: IsTheOpOver
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Start your own company, make a rather successful niche game, grow from 14 to 600 employees and do all of this without screwing some things up somewhere.
They actually found 600 people to work for beer?
ROFL! Funny cause it's true.
CCP pay is about the lowest you could find.
Your point being?
Are these people forced to work for CCP?
PS: ..the term "it's true" would only be justified if you could bring some numbers. A page on the internet where every racoon on the planet can post stuff about his employer is not considered 'truth' by most grown ups.
Ever heard of FUD?
PPS: ..the same principle can be applied to this forum and it's posters. As long as you don't know the person behind the posts and their agenda (or who pays them) you got squid.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:23:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: IsTheOpOver
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Start your own company, make a rather successful niche game, grow from 14 to 600 employees and do all of this without screwing some things up somewhere.
They actually found 600 people to work for beer?
ROFL! Funny cause it's true.
CCP pay is about the lowest you could find.
yeah 45$ an hour is terrible pay
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:26:00 -
[62]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:30:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
SUPPORTED, this crap is dumb. Please listen to us who do no want this stupid non content.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:35:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
Why is that not funny? 
As for the last part.. did the CSM raise the issue when they were in Iceland last week? What came out of this?
I mean, if 'quite a few people' want this so badly, there for sure had been a proposal in the Assembly Hall with 'quite a few' supporters so that the CSM brought up this topic, no?
If all of this didn't happen.. sry. Try better next time.
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Heavenly Blues
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:36:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
SUPPORTED, this crap is dumb. Please listen to us who do no want this stupid non content.
Dumb is right. They are adding graphics and an avatar environment to do everything you can already do with a few well placed buttons. They are uninventing the remote. If you thought changing channels was cool from your couch, your going to love this: Now you can walk all the way across the room and change the channel.
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SuperCerealGuys
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:36:00 -
[66]
My computer is poo, please make CQ optional.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:44:00 -
[67]
Originally by: SuperCerealGuys
My computer is poo, please make CQ optional.
Get an ipad or a smartphone, I heard they can run Eve too
You chose (by free will - except you're one of those Chinese prisoners) to play a computer game that evolves and doesn't stand still in regards to demanded hardware specs.. deal with it.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:53:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
You chose (by free will - except you're one of those Chinese prisoners) to play a computer game that evolves and doesn't stand still in regards to demanded hardware specs.. deal with it.
I can play Portal and Halflife just fine on my machine. Why can't I load one single room that has one character in it?
CQ is going to render three years worth of graphics cards obsolete in one release. That's an awful lot of customers who are going to have to upgrade their computers or quit the game.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:56:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Why is that not funny?
Because, as mentioned, it's an appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of the clients.
Quote:
I mean, if 'quite a few people' want this so badly, there for sure had been a proposal in the Assembly Hall with 'quite a few' supporters so that the CSM brought up this topic, no?
There has been quite a few of those as well. The thing is, CCP originally said that it would be optional (and as this trick proves, it's trivial to make it so), and it wasn't until after fanfest that it became clear that CCP had reneged on that claim.
Looking at the CQ/Duality thread and the devblog, the option not to load the CQ seems to be one of the more sought-after functions.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Heavenly Blues
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:59:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Heavenly Blues on 26/05/2011 03:59:59
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Edited by: Tres Farmer on 26/05/2011 03:48:21
Originally by: Heavenly Blues
*snip*
Dumb is right. They are adding graphics and an avatar environment to do everything you can already do with a few well placed buttons. They are uninventing the remote. If you thought changing channels was cool from your couch, your going to love this: Now you can walk all the way across the room and change the channel.
Hm.. according to you they would do everything right if they'd rip out the graphics and give us a spreadsheet interface for everything.
Not exactly. Your feeble attempt at logic is cute though. The CQ adds no actual gameplay. All the hot spots to interact with can already be done with the current interface, and much faster. The graphics are a novelty item, fun for 15 minutes and after that its just a waste of time. If they ever get to the point where this whole incarna thing has actual game play then it might get my attention. Right now it is superficial and a step backward in functionality.
The spreadsheet comment is kinda funny, eve is known for spreadsheets online. IF you ever get in a large fleet fight you will really see this realized as you have to turn off all effects and GFX, and if you are in any sort of command position (or doing logistics) you will have so many windows open that you are flying by gauges alone with little to no regard to the 3D graphic environment.
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Enraged Stoat
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Posted - 2011.05.26 05:21:00 -
[71]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Please don't. Hopefully someone can develop some wallhax for the station environment so we can see outside...
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.26 06:58:00 -
[72]
Let me state as someone that supports not having the hanger view. for lots of reason but that's not this thread.
Not letting people load a black screen is BS and a terrible judgement call on ccp.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.26 07:12:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Leocadminone
OVERFANCY portrait crap and the removal of the "only load portraits WHEN ASKED FOR" option, my gate jump times have gone through the roof (literally have at LEAST increased to TRIPLE or more) due to the fact I HAVE to download the damned portraits even though I have NEVER wanted the things.
Edit your "hosts" file, add image.eveonline.com as 127.0.0.1 and enjoy avatarless everything on that machine.
or edit the permission for the folder in your cache
C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\c_program_files_(x86)_ccp_eve_tranquility\cache\Pictures\Characters
vs nyan cat pH
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Adrian Idaho
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Posted - 2011.05.26 07:39:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
I couldn't have said it any better.
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Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.05.26 08:13:00 -
[75]
Everyone seams to forget that the CSM has seen the non QA'ed release build and has not flipped out about it.
I see the issue as one that has been decided already for better or worse most likely in our favor. I do not think we will be able to turn it off, Its going to load anyway but the choice to stay in ship or depod will be there- camera drones for the win.
As all this info will be put out in dev blogs and the new UI has to be covered first. When the cut scenes are ready we will see them. If they where not going to alot of the fan video they would not have included it in the blog.
As for the Dev commit- dev trolling beats player trolling every day.
UI hacking will get you broken client and if you some how make it work in game a ban will be your friend very soon
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David Estarra
Caldari
Starside Lost
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Posted - 2011.05.26 08:45:00 -
[76]
I'm very much looking forward to CQ/Incarna, but I also have to agree that this should be made optional should players not wish to use it.
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.26 08:58:00 -
[77]
Edited by: mkint on 26/05/2011 08:59:10
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Aurora Fire
Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 25/05/2011 19:28:29
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Could that be classed as client modification?
no i dint did a modification on permissions for a user account in my own OS win 7 is not owned/developed by CCP
If i was a dev wanting to screw with you i would write:
You remotely modified a client by not allowing it to do what it was supposed to do.
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
That's the kind of ass hole comment that makes me want to cancel my accounts. Doing so would be the kind of ass hole move that makes me actually cancel my accounts.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.26 09:11:00 -
[78]
Originally by: David Estarra
I'm very much looking forward to CQ/Incarna, but I also have to agree that this should be made optional should players not wish to use it.
right, and as I said. sure the old hanger view would be one way of making ti optional, but it would require more work on ccps part to support two systems that do the same thing. Sense other than spinning the old hanger view has 0 features.
however, allowing for a black screen, or still image, like the current do not load station environment, literally requires no work. In fact as stated in this thread it actually take MORE work to make sure you can't set it to not load.
CCP should not have to support two versions of the hanger.
however
Supporting a black screen is not work, and it's kinda odd that are being so
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Florestan Bronstein
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.26 09:21:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 26/05/2011 09:20:58
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
ha ha ha
("I thought you were joking, so I did you a favor and laughed.")
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.05.26 09:25:00 -
[80]
CCP's ignorant attitude on this is obvious.
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.26 09:36:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 26/05/2011 09:36:26
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
/emote successfully fought the temptation to report this post as offensive.... just barely though.
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.26 09:48:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Heavenly Blues
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
SUPPORTED, this crap is dumb. Please listen to us who do no want this stupid non content.
Dumb is right. They are adding graphics and an avatar environment to do everything you can already do with a few well placed buttons. They are uninventing the remote. If you thought changing channels was cool from your couch, your going to love this: Now you can walk all the way across the room and change the channel.
TY, my laugh for the night has been had
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No sympathy for the Devil! Always remember that....
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2011.05.26 10:56:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
I was trying to add some brevity to the discussion, but since you can't please everyone all the time, I'll go back to my bridge and simply not engage at all 
As for whether we should or not Incarna can be optional, well that's a corporate decision that's made by people higher up the food chain than me. I just don't want people mucking about with the stuff files, because when it inevitably comes to patching, 6 months down the line, someone will come to these forums complaining that they can't patch after they chose to voluntarily delete that file.
Forcing it into the manifest is most definitely not an ideal solution since the file has to be checksummed at start-up, and checksumming the entire game client is a lengthy process since it's ~8-9GB in size.
Software Engineer
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2011.05.26 10:59:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 26/05/2011 09:20:58
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
ha ha ha
("I thought you were joking, so I did you a favor and laughed.")
Thanks bro
Software Engineer
Core Engineering |
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Lexxxii
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:07:00 -
[85]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As for whether we should or not Incarna can be optional, well that's a corporate decision that's made by people higher up the food chain than me.
Well how about kicking this back upstairs then, as there are a lot of people asking for the option to opt-out ?
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:07:00 -
[86]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Actually, could you please remove the start.ini from the manifest?
I'm behind a firewall, and it would be easier for me to change the file, and not using some workaround to reach the eve server.
Thanks in advance.
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:08:00 -
[87]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As for whether we should or not Incarna can be optional, well that's a corporate decision that's made by people higher up the food chain than me. I just don't want people mucking about with the stuff files, because when it inevitably comes to patching, 6 months down the line, someone will come to these forums complaining that they can't patch after they chose to voluntarily delete that file.
If that's the kind of complaint that it takes to get the higher ups to acknowledge and respect how their customers use their product, then I'd call it a win. However, if a community member produced piece of scripting software that automates the lock/unlock process, I'd also consider that a win. A risky win maybe that might cause even more problems for even more people, but I'll refer back to my first point, that if the escalated problems get the higher ups to pull their heads out of their asses and listen, still a win.
(note: I use the word "product" when I'm convinced the people involved consider it a way to finance their private yachts.)
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:15:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Lost Hamster
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Actually, could you please remove the start.ini from the manifest?
I'm behind a firewall, and it would be easier for me to change the file, and not using some workaround to reach the eve server.
Thanks in advance.
Why do you need to modify it?
Software Engineer
Core Engineering |
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:21:00 -
[89]
how about a grace period like you've done with avatars ?
would be easier to accept if we had a period where we can choose to use it or not, and so prepare well for it, when it will be mandatory.
i don't think allowing people to stil have old system / black screen for 1 or 2 months after CQ release would be a big issue for you.
will apport less whine, more time for you to optimize performances, and more time for us to accept it, while still alowing you to have direct feedback from others people, and still way enough feedback from those guys who'll take it a bit later.
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:25:00 -
[90]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As for whether we should or not Incarna can be optional, well that's a corporate decision that's made by people higher up the food chain than me. I just don't want people mucking about with the stuff files, because when it inevitably comes to patching, 6 months down the line, someone will come to these forums complaining that they can't patch after they chose to voluntarily delete that file.
Also... he's not talking about deleting the file, he's talking about denying read access (but not write access.) Would that actually break the patching process?
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Lexxxii
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:28:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Raid'En
how about a grace period like you've done with avatars ?
would be easier to accept if we had a period where we can choose to use it or not, and so prepare well for it, when it will be mandatory.
i don't think allowing people to stil have old system / black screen for 1 or 2 months after CQ release would be a big issue for you.
will apport less whine, more time for you to optimize performances, and more time for us to accept it, while still alowing you to have direct feedback from others people, and still way enough feedback from those guys who'll take it a bit later.
Don't see any point in this, it will just be a pain in the ass in a couple of months instead of now. Prefer not to have the pain at all tbh.
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Azhpol
Gallente
Casa Del Wombat
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:32:00 -
[92]
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: IsTheOpOver
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Start your own company, make a rather successful niche game, grow from 14 to 600 employees and do all of this without screwing some things up somewhere.
They actually found 600 people to work for beer?
ROFL! Funny cause it's true.
CCP pay is about the lowest you could find.
yeah 45$ an hour is terrible pay
its entry level for a dev. You get the degree and you can expect that much just about as soon as you get out of school(even in this economy, if you can find a job at all). CCPs devs could go make much more elsewhere, if they actually wanted to.
Also, no one should expect an actual developer(vs the community devs we usually see) to have any kind of social skills or ability to empathize with other humans, especially people who are tinkering with their precious code. A good dev has a mind so different from the mainstream that normal people don't make any sense to them. Admittedly, thats why devs for other companies are typically not allowed to post to the forums
True story from someone who was a WoW GM... One day Michael Morhaime came in to a new GM call center to see how everyone was doing, and someone convinced him to take a player petition. The petition was basically a whine about some mechanic or other. He reads over it, and the tells the player that its his game, he will do what he wants with it, and perma bans them.
This is the the president and CEO of Blizzard, most successful MMO in the world. Why would you expect a game known for its hostility towards any kind of kindness to be more friendly towards hacking their client(and thats exactly what this fix is, a hack).
Get over it, or get out. Its CCPs game, they are going to do what they want with it.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:40:00 -
[93]
Originally by: mkint
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As for whether we should or not Incarna can be optional, well that's a corporate decision that's made by people higher up the food chain than me. I just don't want people mucking about with the stuff files, because when it inevitably comes to patching, 6 months down the line, someone will come to these forums complaining that they can't patch after they chose to voluntarily delete that file.
Also... he's not talking about deleting the file, he's talking about denying read access (but not write access.) Would that actually break the patching process?
i dint test it but i bet that the patching is done by system user and not the normal user, if that is not the case you can patch the game whit admin user and play the game whit normal user that dont have read permission on the file
i will need to make some tests about this
vs nyan cat pH
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Azhpol
Gallente
Casa Del Wombat
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:42:00 -
[94]
Originally by: mkint
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As for whether we should or not Incarna can be optional, well that's a corporate decision that's made by people higher up the food chain than me. I just don't want people mucking about with the stuff files, because when it inevitably comes to patching, 6 months down the line, someone will come to these forums complaining that they can't patch after they chose to voluntarily delete that file.
Also... he's not talking about deleting the file, he's talking about denying read access (but not write access.) Would that actually break the patching process?
Yes, because the patcher checksums all the files, and has to be able to read said file to make sure its valid.
Believe me, it already takes long enough without being confused, I just had to do it twice on a flash drive to make a portable install 
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:46:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Azhpol
Originally by: mkint
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As for whether we should or not Incarna can be optional, well that's a corporate decision that's made by people higher up the food chain than me. I just don't want people mucking about with the stuff files, because when it inevitably comes to patching, 6 months down the line, someone will come to these forums complaining that they can't patch after they chose to voluntarily delete that file.
Also... he's not talking about deleting the file, he's talking about denying read access (but not write access.) Would that actually break the patching process?
Yes, because the patcher checksums all the files, and has to be able to read said file to make sure its valid.
Believe me, it already takes long enough without being confused, I just had to do it twice on a flash drive to make a portable install
I thought about the checksum. Does it check after it downloads, or after it installs? And I wasn't sure if denying read access denies write access as well (for some reason it's in my head that it does.)
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ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:46:00 -
[96]
if you dont make this optional ( loading CQ / Walking in stations ) then people are gonna try and find ways around it.
Sure, it might only be a small percentage of the pilots ( 10% max? ) but compare that to the number of pilots who disable sound in eve?
Why is disabling sound in eve ok but disabling a visual only feature that has no game impact not?
I would argue that having sound is extremely important as it gives your senses another level of depth when surviving in EVE. Way more useful then having to spend time to do the same task in CQ you could do with a mouse click before.
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All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
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San Severina
Minmatar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:50:00 -
[97]
Originally by: ShadowandLight
if you dont make this optional ( loading CQ / Walking in stations ) then people are gonna try and find ways around it.
Sure, it might only be a small percentage of the pilots ( 10% max? ) but compare that to the number of pilots who disable sound in eve?
Why is disabling sound in eve ok but disabling a visual only feature that has no game impact not?
I would argue that having sound is extremely important as it gives your senses another level of depth when surviving in EVE. Way more useful then having to spend time to do the same task in CQ you could do with a mouse click before.
Good point, I'm not sure CCP will see it that way but I agree for what it's worth 
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2011.05.26 12:26:00 -
[98]
Originally by: ShadowandLight
Why is disabling sound in eve ok but disabling a visual only feature that has no game impact not?
when will you people get it?
BECAUSE THEY WANT FREE BETATESTERS FOR THEIR UPCOMING MMO TITLES' GRAPHICS ENGINE.
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Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.26 12:28:00 -
[99]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
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I was trying to add some brevity to the discussion, but since you can't please everyone all the time, I'll go back to my bridge and simply not engage at all
Just goes to show that CCP's default is not engaging with customer feedback except to troll. And some still think the problem is with the userbase.
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.05.26 12:29:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
Originally by: ShadowandLight
Why is disabling sound in eve ok but disabling a visual only feature that has no game impact not?
when will you people get it?
BECAUSE THEY WANT FREE BETATESTERS FOR THEIR UPCOMING MMO TITLES' GRAPHICS ENGINE.
free?
last i checked i was a lot cheaper than free
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.05.26 13:30:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
Why is that not funny?
As for the last part.. did the CSM raise the issue when they were in Iceland last week? What came out of this?
I mean, if 'quite a few people' want this so badly, there for sure had been a proposal in the Assembly Hall with 'quite a few' supporters so that the CSM brought up this topic, no?
If all of this didn't happen.. sry. Try better next time.
You must be an idiot. CCP-started feedback threads for CQ on duality are full of these kind of requests. There's been other numerous threads dedicated to this issue. Etc. The problem and the solution are both visible and obvious to anyone interested, and CCP should be interested, rabid fanboyz notwithstanding.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.05.26 14:11:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Tres Farmer
*snip*
Why is that not funny?
As for the last part.. did the CSM raise the issue when they were in Iceland last week? What came out of this?
I mean, if 'quite a few people' want this so badly, there for sure had been a proposal in the Assembly Hall with 'quite a few' supporters so that the CSM brought up this topic, no?
If all of this didn't happen.. sry. Try better next time.
You must be an idiot. CCP-started feedback threads for CQ on duality are full of these kind of requests. There's been other numerous threads dedicated to this issue. Etc. The problem and the solution are both visible and obvious to anyone interested, and CCP should be interested, rabid fanboyz notwithstanding.
If I'm an idiot, then you guys all have a hissy-fit over stuff that is still in beta phase..
If there are threads demanding the option to opt-out of it and the CSM told it CCP last week and CCP got the message, fine for you. Just wait for it.
Also, I can't see what so bad about having your head in the hangar-picture in the future and seeing your ship from a diff angle?
If your comp needs longer than 30secs to load this, then you really got other problems..
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.26 14:32:00 -
[103]
You know what, this game is not worth it anymore.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.26 17:16:00 -
[104]
Edited by: ceaon on 26/05/2011 17:27:00
1) use this before you patch le game
how to give read permission to a certain user group
CACLS omg le HDD:\eve\daulity\resInteriorRacial.stuff /e /p users:r
replace omg le HDD:\eve\daulity whit your folder path
you can save this on a bat file (i dint need to run like admin but i got win7 configured on my style)
2) use this after le patch is done and you dont need to update le eve client
this script will remove ALL PERMISSIONS for the usergroup users for the file in question, all permissions for this usergroup are nuked from orbit :P also you can save this in a bat file
CACLS omg le HDD:\eve\daulity\resInteriorRacial.stuff /e /r users
for more go in here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/162786
anyone whit better skill that i have can improve this ??
vs nyan cat pH
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.26 17:47:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Tippia on 26/05/2011 17:49:24
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As for whether we should or not Incarna can be optional, well that's a corporate decision that's made by people higher up the food chain than me.
Well, then you don't need to take it personally and it's those people who are ignorant/callous.
Quote:
I just don't want people mucking about with the stuff files, because when it inevitably comes to patching, 6 months down the line, someone will come to these forums complaining that they can't patch after they chose to voluntarily delete that file.
And that's understandable, but if the users choose to make custom arrangements with their files, it's really up to them to deal with the problems it causes.
But they key point here is this: if not loading the CQ is a simple matter of deleting or read-protecting a single file, then there is quite literally no excuse not to make the CQ optional. There is no "extra work", no "duplicated effort", no "dual code paths" ù nothing. Simply don't load the file.
This is the message that needs to be escalated in your organisation: there is no excuse.
Originally by: ShadowandLight
if you dont make this optional ( loading CQ / Walking in stations ) then people are gonna try and find ways around it.
Sure, it might only be a small percentage of the pilots ( 10% max? ) but compare that to the number of pilots who disable sound in eve?
Why is disabling sound in eve ok but disabling a visual only feature that has no game impact not?
I would argue that having sound is extremely important as it gives your senses another level of depth when surviving in EVE. Way more useful then having to spend time to do the same task in CQ you could do with a mouse click before.
Very apt comparison (now watch them remove the option to turn off soundà ).
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Armand Vos
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Posted - 2011.05.26 18:09:00 -
[106]
To all those people who are attacking the devs. Firstly, I know you're going to either ignore this or flame me and to be perfectly frank, I honestly don't give a damn. I'm voicing my support for CCP and the hardworking devs who don't deserve to be insulted by you half-brained twits (Not to be confused with those who offer constructive criticism, though few and far between they may be). There's a simple logic path all of you haters can follow.
If you don't like the direction EVE is going, quit.
If you don't want to quit but can't handle the new graphical implementations, get a better PC.
If you can't afford a better PC, get a job.
If you can't get a job, you probably shouldn't be draining your bank account by playing EVE anyway (If you're not plexing).
All in all, get with the times! Games improve and require better rigs to run them, this has been a constant for the past 35 years. If my rig can't handle Incarna, am I going to whine about it? No, I'm going to save my money and upgrade my rig when I can afford it. If you can't handle this, find another hobby, gaming isn't for you.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.05.26 18:17:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Also, I can't see what so bad about having your head in the hangar-picture in the future and seeing your ship from a diff angle?
For me personally it is being forced to do something that is pretty stupid (in-game) every single time I dock in a station. There is also the feeling that this is being done purely for usage metrics' sake, with no regard to customer relations.
For many others it is either a hardware performance issue, which most likely will not be alleviated by code optimization, or a general EVE gameplay philosophy.
In all of these cases a very simple fix is required.
What's weird is the almost religious stubbornness with which many on this forum are expressing their opposition to a simple option to toggle the new feature.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.26 18:18:00 -
[108]
I found a way to not load CQ.
just tape a piece of paper over your monitor so the neo com and station serve buttons are still there!
even if the CQ is still loading the ui will not lag so. why not!
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Shandir
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.26 18:31:00 -
[109]
I am a little confused why you'd say it was a management decision to allow/deny the Incarna toggle.
Surely if it's technically feasable, there's no good reason not to do it?
Please explain if there is a good technical reason not to include it, or if there is any good reason not to allow players to either load the previous station spinning environment, or a blank screen with Neocom (or both!)
Because at the moment, it doesn't make any sense to not have done this already.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.26 18:37:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Shandir
I am a little confused why you'd say it was a management decision to allow/deny the Incarna toggle.
Surely if it's technically feasable, there's no good reason not to do it?
Please explain if there is a good technical reason not to include it, or if there is any good reason not to allow players to either load the previous station spinning environment, or a blank screen with Neocom (or both!)
Because at the moment, it doesn't make any sense to not have done this already.
it has to do whit propaganda (AKA PR) "our laters expansions is so ****ing great that a impressive amount of players are using this expansion the most user expansion ever in eve and mmo history, give us awards"
le most popular forced expansion prize goes to CCP
vs nyan cat pH
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.26 18:45:00 -
[111]
Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 26/05/2011 18:43:20
Originally by: Shandir
I am a little confused why you'd say it was a management decision to allow/deny the Incarna toggle.
Surely if it's technically feasable, there's no good reason not to do it?
Please explain if there is a good technical reason not to include it, or if there is any good reason not to allow players to either load the previous station spinning environment, or a blank screen with Neocom (or both!)
Because at the moment, it doesn't make any sense to not have done this already.
/put le tin foil hat
it has to do whit propaganda (AKA PR) "our latest expansion is so ****ing great that a impressive amount of players are using this expansion the most used expansion ever in eve and mmo history, give us awards"
le most popular forced expansion prize goes to CCP
also do you think that teams that work on this crap will get the balls to go at ccp CEO and say look only x% amount of players use this LOL feature where we spend XXXX amount of money, if there is a way to disable that is a way to measure the popularity and some ppl at CCP are afraid of that, self preservation interest > interest to make things on the optimal way
hmm... you think [email protected] is the right email address to make sure the idea goes to the right person?
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.05.26 19:05:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Yes I'm slightly worried how this entire incarna station will run on my ATI Radeon 2600 Pro. The character editor was quite a pain already...
It runs fine, I have a lesser version of that card and it runs well.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.05.26 19:47:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Tippia
But they key point here is this: if not loading the CQ is a simple matter of deleting or read-protecting a single file, then there is quite literally no excuse not to make the CQ optional. There is no "extra work", no "duplicated effort", no "dual code paths" ù nothing. Simply don't load the file.
This is the message that needs to be escalated in your organisation: there is no excuse.
Politics are not just a 0.0 thing. Plenty of reasons to force a redundant feature on end user's throats.
Could be they want to mass test the engine for WoD.
Could be they want to satisfy corporate objectives.
Could be a director needs to justify the spent budget with usage figures.
After all, look at EvE Wast... ehm EvE Gate. Another slammed-in-throat thing, someone has to claim project success and go ahead with his corporate career.
Also, how fun would it for CCP to read on some MMO review site: "many years in the work feature turned off on day one by 87% of the playerbase: what a waste of time and money".
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.26 19:53:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Also, how fun would it for CCP to read on some MMO review site: "many years in the work feature turned off on day one by 87% of the playerbase: what a waste of time and money".
I call that "a learning experience."
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.26 20:04:00 -
[115]
I believe CCP's learning experience has been ongoing in re sub #'s, desparate PLEX schemes to generate new accounts notwithstanding.
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Crias Taylor
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.26 20:24:00 -
[116]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Aurora Fire
Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 25/05/2011 19:28:29
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Could that be classed as client modification?
no i dint did a modification on permissions for a user account in my own OS win 7 is not owned/developed by CCP
If i was a dev wanting to screw with you i would write:
You remotely modified a client by not allowing it to do what it was supposed to do.
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Wouldn't stop v0v
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.26 20:25:00 -
[117]
Originally by: mkint
hmm... you think [email protected] is the right email address to make sure the idea goes to the right person?
a tip when you try to guess a email
put only one email on TO field the rest of guess email put them on BCC dont use CC
vs nyan cat pH
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.27 06:09:00 -
[118]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Lost Hamster
Actually, could you please remove the start.ini from the manifest?
I'm behind a firewall, and it would be easier for me to change the file, and not using some workaround to reach the eve server.
Thanks in advance.
Why do you need to modify it?
I have set up an SSL proxy, and originally I wanted to route a different port to the tunnel, which would come out on the correct port on the tunnel end.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.27 06:35:00 -
[119]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
inevitably comes to patching, 6 months down the line
ROFL!
Still waiting for 6 month interation on FW from 2008.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.27 06:38:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Armand Vos
If you don't like the direction EVE is going, quit.
^^ CCP is completely full of ****.
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white kight
Helljumpers
En Garde
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Posted - 2011.05.27 08:47:00 -
[121]
The amount of tears in this thread is amazing, all i hear is "You: waaaaaaaaaaaa ccp won't give us walking in stations" "CCP: Here you go, heres the starting point for it" "You:Don't want it any more :sulk:"
If you hate eve as much as you say you do, do us all a favour and quit. CCP Atropos came to this thread with a joke (yes ccp IS allowed to do that) and you go all emo on him. I don't care its mandatory, in fact I'm looking forward to it.
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
:facepalm:
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.27 09:08:00 -
[122]
Originally by: white kight
The amount of tears in this thread is amazing, all i hear is "You: waaaaaaaaaaaa ccp won't give us walking in stations" "CCP: Here you go, heres the starting point for it" "You:Don't want it any more :sulk:"
If you hate eve as much as you say you do, do us all a favour and quit. CCP Atropos came to this thread with a joke (yes ccp IS allowed to do that) and you go all emo on him. I don't care its mandatory, in fact I'm looking forward to it.
In that case, I hope that incarna failscades for you, makes your alliance lose a vital PVP battle, and everything that you've worked for as a group is flushed down the toilet. I'm gonna be blocking the incarna file after I've taken my stroll around it and have better client performance than you. Have fun with your suck.
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Aelita
Minmatar
CHON
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2011.05.27 11:38:00 -
[123]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Lost Hamster
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Actually, could you please remove the start.ini from the manifest?
I'm behind a firewall, and it would be easier for me to change the file, and not using some workaround to reach the eve server.
Thanks in advance.
Why do you need to modify it?
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Mitchello
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.05.27 11:53:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Aelita
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Lost Hamster
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Actually, could you please remove the start.ini from the manifest?
I'm behind a firewall, and it would be easier for me to change the file, and not using some workaround to reach the eve server.
Thanks in advance.
Why do you need to modify it?
Because it contains port definition. Some tunneling setup need to use diferent port on client side.
It would make things a lot easier yeah
INCARNA. EXPERT HOUSING, QUARTER STYLE, New Eden's Blue Lagoon. Coming Soon.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.05.27 14:55:00 -
[125]
Originally by: white kight
The amount of tears in this thread is amazing, all i hear is "You: waaaaaaaaaaaa ccp won't give us walking in stations" "CCP: Here you go, heres the starting point for it" "You:Don't want it any more :sulk:"
If you hate eve as much as you say you do, do us all a favour and quit. CCP Atropos came to this thread with a joke (yes ccp IS allowed to do that) and you go all emo on him. I don't care its mandatory, in fact I'm looking forward to it.
Why do you hate reason and logic so much? Why do you prefer to stay ignorant? Are you mentally challenged?
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.27 15:03:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Razin
Why do you hate reason and logic so much? Why do you prefer to stay ignorant? Are you mentally challenged?
Afraid your ISK farm will collapse if you can't run 8 clients at the same time?
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Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.05.27 15:18:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: Razin
Why do you hate reason and logic so much? Why do you prefer to stay ignorant? Are you mentally challenged?
Afraid your ISK farm will collapse if you can't run 8 clients at the same time?
I see you decided this was also applicable to yourself.
I own one EVE account. Have since beta. Though I read on these forums that the incarna content runs just fine in multiple windows, if your computer is up to running it at all. And mine is. My one contention in this debate is that the dock->avatar transition without the ship/hangar view stage is immersion breaking.
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