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Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.01 16:54:00 -
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Not that I care NC dies at all - think its good they are dying - but this is just ridiculous, Russain alliances pretty much now will control eve, markets, nullsec everything.
Awesome job CCP!! - refuse to do anything about RMT even though they know who is doing it, and hows it done
Refuse to do anything about moon gold
Refuse to do anything about nullsec and how much space ppl can own
Now not only will they be botting but also have silly amount of tech moons.
This game is just going like the chinese server, one group owning and ruling all!!!!
Enough is Enough! Troll all you like....its a joke and it needs to be said
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Jonan Hannon
Gallente
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.06.01 16:56:00 -
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FFS with your thinly-veiled (or not at all) xenophobic nonsense
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Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.01 16:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Jonan Hannon
FFS with your thinly-veiled (or not at all) xenophobic nonsense
ill SAY IT AGAIN
Enough is Enough! Troll all you like....its a joke and it needs to be said
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:02:00 -
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I for one welcome our new Russian overlords.
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Lidia Prince
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:03:00 -
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So let me get this straight. NC is the last stand of democracy in EVE agains oppressing communist threat (DRF) now? The plot thickets.
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Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:03:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
I for one welcome our new Russian overlords.
Not complaining if it means free vodka and russian girls.
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Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lidia Prince
So let me get this straight. NC is the last stand of democracy in EVE agains oppressing communist threat (DRF) now? The plot thickets.
No but it was the straw that broke the camels back - where does it end? Whats next take over Venal, Take over Deklein and PB...I mean thats all thats left...!!!
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lidia Prince
So let me get this straight. NC is the last stand of democracy in EVE agains oppressing communist threat (DRF) now? The plot thickets.
Nope that would be the Goons
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:08:00 -
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~ лоханулся ~
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Lidia Prince
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
~ лоханулся ~
We have a spy in our midst!
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flank steak
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:12:00 -
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maybe you should start and alliance and go kill them.
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Altina Akiga
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:13:00 -
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Enough is enough, I've had it with these mother****ing **************** on this mother****ing server.
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Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:16:00 -
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How much ISK will they p[ay to not hunt their bots?
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Miss Chigger
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:17:00 -
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Who was that notorious RMTer who was invited to host an alliance tournament?
mmm... oh yeah KIAeddz who wasn't ever banned and still plays? Because he is friends with some CCP devs.
As far as I'm concerned the NC is just as guilty of botting, RMT and is more corrupt being that their from the West that the Russians.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:20:00 -
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All the people who speak Russian are on the same team. All the people who speak english are fighting each other.
People wonder why the Russians are winning.
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Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:21:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
I for one welcome our new Russian overlords.
You do well to willingly submit to your Russian masters. Once our control is complete, you shall be among those spared the most pitiful depths of servitude.
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Hermann Fegelein
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Hermann Fegelein on 01/06/2011 17:26:07
Looks like someone got ganked by a different group of people 
I'm shocked at the amount of people who are *****ing because an ethnic minority is starting to grow larger.
Most Russians who play EVE don't RMT. In fact most RMT people reside in the US and UK.
The reason why Russian players are becoming the most powerful in EVE is because they spend more time playing the game than whining about it.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:28:00 -
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Confirming Russians are an 'ethnic minority'
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GIGAR
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:33:00 -
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I don't mind having the russians as the supreme ruler - HOWEVER, I DO mind having any power gained through bots.
Any (super)capitals gained through botting should be removed from the game. Cap pilots will be left in their pod.
"QQ my supercap!"
Stfu. If your alliance/corp leader was incompetent enough to allow botting, it's a POC alliance/corp you shouldn't want to be a member of.
And please don't tell me ally/corp leaders have no idea about botting going on - that's just gross incompetence on their part.
/rant off, and anti-botting grats to the russians :p
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hermann Fegelein
Looks like someone got ganked by a different group of people
Northern coalition spent years making mass profits by building supercaps and selling at a huge profit while at the same time blowing up the super cap assembly arraies of everyone else to maintain their monopoly of the market.
Now all those super caps they sold at huge profit margin are being used to come and invade their space.
Word I hear is that on Monday the russions put most of the NC's super cap assembly array stations into reinforced. Tuesday was a massive call to arms to protect them, for without them, there is no chance of rebuilding their super cap fleet to counter the invasion...
Word is, NC mustered 30 super caps to the Russian's 130+.
NC, as it has existed for half-a-decade, ceased to exist yesterday.... or so I hear tell.
Now it is a scramble to make nice with the new Russian masters of EVE.
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Mey Alman
Jonferson Space Dynamics Division
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:35:00 -
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I try not to troll, let me put it this way.
Everybody answer the following questions (for your self is enough no need to post abut it)
-would it be as "bad" if null sec was 90% Americans
-would it be as "bad" if null sec was 90% people from Iceland (favoritism ;P)
-would it be as "bad" if 90% of null sec were Russians but would be talking in English like everybody else?
Think about your answers 
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fire elf
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:36:00 -
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This is just like the cold war except Russia winz in EVE
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Cydens
Amarr
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Edited by: baltec1 on 01/06/2011 17:09:54
Originally by: Lidia Prince
So let me get this straight. NC is the last stand of democracy in EVE agains oppressing communist threat (DRF) now? The plot thickets.
Nope that would be the Goons
Простите я не совсем понял, что вы сказали?
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Last Tardfighter
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:54:00 -
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Get ready for the massive bot farms.
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Last Tardfighter
Get ready for the massive bot farms.
All that's left is sex in stations .. oh no not even that!
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:57:00 -
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Yeah NC used to be unstoppable.
Everything changes.
Russian alliances are now unstoppable.
Everything changes.
On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cydens
Originally by: baltec1
Edited by: baltec1 on 01/06/2011 17:09:54
Originally by: Lidia Prince
So let me get this straight. NC is the last stand of democracy in EVE agains oppressing communist threat (DRF) now? The plot thickets.
Nope that would be the Goons
Простите я не совсем понял, что вы сказали?
водка?! )))))))))
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:59:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Ayieka on 01/06/2011 17:59:28
But if the russian alliances win eve, won't they just get bored and move on to a new mmo to ruin?
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:01:00 -
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Three months ago the NC apparently won EVE. Now it's the DRF. Three months later it's going to be someone else.
Nothing to see here, goodfights as usual. The war against lag is going well too, yesterday we had about 900 people fighting with only slight delays.
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Originally by: Sporked
EVE IS DYING RUN TO THE HILLS! WE MIGHT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS MMO! THEY MIGHT SHOOT AT US WHILE WE ARE BUSY HOLDING HANDS AND FROLICKING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:02:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Anddeh McNab
Originally by: Cydens
Originally by: baltec1
Edited by: baltec1 on 01/06/2011 17:09:54
Originally by: Lidia Prince
So let me get this straight. NC is the last stand of democracy in EVE agains oppressing communist threat (DRF) now? The plot thickets.
Nope that would be the Goons
Простите я не совсем понял, что вы сказали?
водка?! )))))))))
Да, он хочет водку!
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:09:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Not that I care NC dies at all - think its good they are dying - but this is just ridiculous, Russain alliances pretty much now will control eve, markets, nullsec everything.
Awesome job CCP!! - refuse to do anything about RMT even though they know who is doing it, and hows it done
Refuse to do anything about moon gold
Refuse to do anything about nullsec and how much space ppl can own
Now not only will they be botting but also have silly amount of tech moons.
This game is just going like the chinese server, one group owning and ruling all!!!!
Enough is Enough! Troll all you like....its a joke and it needs to be said
The NC has been botting and RMTing just as much as the DRF, I've flown in both space, and its not as rampant as some makes out but it isn't uncommon either.
The NC fell from within. Whatever propaganda you listen to the problem was it had grown to big. Every coalition that grows large fails eventually from internal strife. Will this be the last we see of them, all depends. Red Alliance and Goonswarm Federation (previously Goonswarm) all lost significant space and rebuilt into powerhouses, it took years so it really depends on what leadership from the NC survives.
It isn't the end of EVE, the end of an age perhaps. There have been many ages where one group or another seemingly controlled vast swaths off space, in time they all lose it. It is the natural cycle folks leave the game, new folks come in. The thing is that none of the changes CCP instituted in teh last 6 months was responsible for this. In fact almost everything they've done moves to discourage combat in 0.0 as the space is less valuable. Wars will continue though as it is the nature of the game.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:09:00 -
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I think the real reason so many people get upset because many(not all) Russians basically play as one big team.
I dont think the ethnicity means anything(Im an American whose ethnically 1/4 Russian.)
I think the language barrier means everything.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:11:00 -
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i hope the language barrier doesn't change the message i want to deliver
I care about this situation.
I don't care about oppinions though, but about facts.
There's a situation ppl aren't happy with.
Complaining on the forums is useless. 100% **** crap bull****.
Think before you post.
Letting your anger out this way isn't constructive.
It's a vent ... but venting doesn't change facts.
It's right the opposite ... venting just helps keeping the facts as they are,
because you let out your anger and hence don't try to change anything.
You are unhappy with a situation ? Find others who share your oppinion and group up.
Many oppinions don't make facts, (except in their POV)
but many oppinions can change facts ! (like ... "russians own everything ... let's crush 'em!")
Dear OP and everybody who thinks the same ...
... the solution is pretty obvious.
Organize and fight !
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Dwight Dibbley
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:12:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Dwight Dibbley on 01/06/2011 18:14:45
Edited by: Dwight Dibbley on 01/06/2011 18:12:40
I've said this a thousand times about the russian-western thing 2 facts come to mind
your avarage joe 'westerner' plays a casual game leaving just the odd hardcore and even currupt leadership choosing alliance direction or fleecing its members. mr avarage joe plays for his or her own ends and when the going gets hard he bails and going for example to empire/carebear or quits.
However on the other hand what I can tell and this is why I respect the russians, they know there game. they stick together and play to win. they play the moon goo game very well just like they did the old static plexes.
and no im not russian but i get fed up by the laidbackness of mr i got a real ife and respect that whatever the situation, the russians get their act together.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Solstice Project
Organize and fight !
Im no fan of the OP but thats stupid suggestion.
A big part of the problem is that most American and Western European players see EVE as casual fun to be players a couple of hours in the evening.
A lot of Russians are looking for a different experience.
No one is "wrong." But were getting the point wher an alliance of whats normal for the west simply cant compete. You end up with people deciding between playing more than they enjoy or just quitting.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Langoss
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:24:00 -
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I hate russians they destroyed my country from 1945 to 90. I dont want to see that they destroy EVE too.
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Hermann Fegelein
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:25:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Hermann Fegelein on 01/06/2011 18:26:48
Originally by: Langoss
I hate russians they destroyed my country from 1945 to 90. I dont want to see that they destroy EVE too.
Incoming thread lock.
Also learn to let things go. The USSR isn't the same thing as the Russian Federation.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:31:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Solstice Project
Organize and fight !
Im no fan of the OP but thats stupid suggestion.
A big part of the problem is that most American and Western European players see EVE as casual fun to be players a couple of hours in the evening.
A lot of Russians are looking for a different experience.
Looking from the inside I have to say that this isn't necessarily so. Or as much so as any other nationality. It's just so much more visible when it happens because of the language-based grouping (as you've noted).
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If you like choice please support this topic in the Assembly Hall. Thanks.
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Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Confirming Russians are an 'ethnic minority'
I think its important to clear up i said 'Russain Alliances' not Russains as in the people.
The issue is the amount of space ppl can hold, the amount of isk thats made by botting, the amount of isk made specifically from moongold, whether thats NC or Russain Alliances or whoever. Its how they have managed to do this, by using RMT to win eve. And will continue to do so even more so now. Been able to pay anyone and everyone as much as possible(specific PL 600 bill a month!) to win eve.
Its becoming a joke that its pretty much becoming one rules all. Where will it end. When will it stop..When CCP pull their heads of their assess and seriously looking at how nullsec is divided, how this constant flow of isk just keeps on flowing at stupid prices (venal 1 trillion isk per month!), look at how much space one can hold, look at stopping completely risk free pvp.
So what we lose 300 ships, they are all insured or well we have moar isk who cares. We lose 5 supers in one fight - Ah well we have 100 on the back burner.. its just ridiculous!
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Heimdallofasgard
APEX ARDENT COALITION
C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:45:00 -
[40]
Originally by: baltec1
Edited by: baltec1 on 01/06/2011 17:09:54
Originally by: Lidia Prince
So let me get this straight. NC is the last stand of democracy in EVE agains oppressing communist threat (DRF) now? The plot thickets.
Nope that would be the Goons
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Whats next take over Venal
Venal is a black hole into which the most glorious battle fleets enter and never return.
It is a raging hell hole of the most bitter and twisted players lurk and like a bad rash only get stronger the more you scratch.
Nahhh you're thinking of venerial mate not venal
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:48:00 -
[41]
How to beat the russians 101.
By obsidian hawk.
step 1 train up to a covert ops ship, preferably a bomber.
step 2 fly to drone regions.
step 3, cloak up
step 4. leave your computer and account on 23/7 cloaked and all botting and ratting will come to a stand still.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:55:00 -
[42]
The only problem I have with this is the "how".
If it was everyone coming together to form an alliance and working hard then that's what Eve's about and NC should have out smarted or out maneuvered them. However, I'm not sure that's what has happened.
I've had many...many people tell me that the Red alliance and affiliates are hard core macro users. not only that, all the major bot websites do have a specific, rather large section for Russians.
The point is, if they got to this place legit, then I'm ok. But if they got to it on the backs of macros, then Eve (I think) might be in trouble.
So my question is, how did they do it? Teamwork? or Cheating?
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Illwill Bill
Talu Shaya
Talu Shaya Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:56:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Anddeh McNab
водка
Yes, please.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Last Tardfighter
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:59:00 -
[44]
Originally by: NinjaSpud
So my question is, how did they do it? Teamwork? or Cheating?
What do you think? Where there's smoke, there's fire.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:05:00 -
[45]
Originally by: NinjaSpud
The only problem I have with this is the "how".
If it was everyone coming together to form an alliance and working hard then that's what Eve's about and NC should have out smarted or out maneuvered them. However, I'm not sure that's what has happened.
I've had many...many people tell me that the Red alliance and affiliates are hard core macro users. not only that, all the major bot websites do have a specific, rather large section for Russians.
The point is, if they got to this place legit, then I'm ok. But if they got to it on the backs of macros, then Eve (I think) might be in trouble.
So my question is, how did they do it? Teamwork? or Cheating?
The whole of 0.0 is at it. NC did it, the Reds do it, every major alliance has people doing it. The NC sold their supercaps and got big and lazy and were too incompetent to think to properly defend their space, relying on numbers alone. They were rightfully crushed and it's not an END GAME state for Eve, far from it. Wars used to mean much more than they do now so it's nice to see the population get stirred up like this.
Where the isk for it all came from is irrelevant since no one is really the bigger culprit. All the accusations come about because for a large part the Russians are a mystery to the English speaking community. If you are going to take it on faith that the only people macroing are the Russians I suggest you also go read up on their own forums for the counter opinion. Until then learn the game through your own experience and not just from what the braying idiots on the forums and high sec say. Go for a roam anywhere and you will soon see ravens cloaking up and obvious hoards of exhumers with similar names logging off as you enter local. You will see this on your first 50 jump roam wherever you go.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:16:00 -
[46]
Edited by: CyberGh0st on 01/06/2011 19:18:09
Legit players working together are legit, but botters, macroers and DDOS'ers should all be deleted from EVE.
If there is not some serious action from CCP in the near future, with some actual results against botters, this and microtransactions will be the end of EVE, at least for me.
http://www.mmodata.net
Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
Maxpie
Security Impaired Resource Providers
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:18:00 -
[47]
Originally by: NinjaSpud
The only problem I have with this is the "how".
If it was everyone coming together to form an alliance and working hard then that's what Eve's about and NC should have out smarted or out maneuvered them. However, I'm not sure that's what has happened.
I've had many...many people tell me that the Red alliance and affiliates are hard core macro users. not only that, all the major bot websites do have a specific, rather large section for Russians.
The point is, if they got to this place legit, then I'm ok. But if they got to it on the backs of macros, then Eve (I think) might be in trouble.
So my question is, how did they do it? Teamwork? or Cheating?
This is my sentiment as well. I remember similar posts about BoB back in the day. Then it was the Goons. Now I return to the game and it's the Russians. That's just Eve. However, I'm totally opposed to anyone who is using bots and macros. If that's the case, then yes, perma-ban everyone involved.
He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things. |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:24:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Langoss
I hate russians they destroyed my country from 1945 to 90.
Nice butthurt bro. Bur you can't actually destroy something that never existed
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Mr Dilkington
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:25:00 -
[49]
I prefer having russians in charge rather than americans, most of the people in game i speak to think so as well.
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Darth McDarth
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:32:00 -
[50]
ITT:Racism and ignorance.
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Cydens
Amarr
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:41:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Cydens on 01/06/2011 19:45:01
ITT racism, ignorance and extreme butthurt.
All Russians I've dealt with (and the various Eastern bloc countries) have been legit and really chill bros.
In fact, the majority of my buddy list are Russian/Bulgarian/Slovak/Romanian etc. Ya'll got to stop being so uptight and accept that they are better than us.
e: In everything, not just Eve. Drinking (coming from someone who is half-Irish!), building nukes, spying, banging women, making Vodka, running brothels, making propaganda videos, voice-overs, dancing, playing with Tigers, the list goes on. Literally youtubeing 'Russian' followed by anything yields some wonderous videos.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:44:00 -
[52]
Dear OP,
may i ask you ...
WTF is your point of posting anyway ?
You really believe worthless oppinions help changing anything ?
Either get ballsy or stfu.
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NeoShocker
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:48:00 -
[53]
And the cold war II begins, except it isn't real life, not USA vs USSR and its in a game, world VS Russia players (right?).
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:48:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Cydens
Edited by: Cydens on 01/06/2011 19:45:01
ITT racism, ignorance and extreme butthurt.
All Russians I've dealt with (and the various Eastern bloc countries) have been legit and really chill bros.
In fact, the majority of my buddy list are Russian/Bulgarian/Slovak/Romanian etc. Ya'll got to stop being so uptight and accept that they are better than us.
e: In everything, not just Eve. Drinking (coming from someone who is half-Irish!), building nukes, spying, banging women, making Vodka, running brothels, making propaganda videos, voice-overs, dancing, playing with Tigers, the list goes on. Literally youtubeing 'Russian' followed by anything yields some wonderous videos.
No.
They aren't.
It's not about being "better", it's about "realizing situations at hand and making best use out of it".
Russian nationalism surely helps them a lot, but doesn't mean they are better.
It means the others just fail to realize how to do it right.
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Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:57:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Dwight Dibbley
Edited by: Dwight Dibbley on 01/06/2011 18:14:45
Edited by: Dwight Dibbley on 01/06/2011 18:12:40
I've said this a thousand times about the russian-western thing 2 facts come to mind
your avarage joe 'westerner' plays a casual game leaving just the odd hardcore and even currupt leadership choosing alliance direction or fleecing its members. mr avarage joe plays for his or her own ends and when the going gets hard he bails and going for example to empire/carebear or quits.
However on the other hand what I can tell and this is why I respect the russians, they know there game. they stick together and play to win. they play the moon goo game very well just like they did the old static plexes.
and no im not russian but i get fed up by the laidbackness of mr i got a real ife and respect that whatever the situation, the russians get their act together.
There is a very good reason for that... For a large amount of the Russians EVE is their job. It's much more important to have your act together if your RL income is dependent on it.
CCP need to get their ass in gear and start a no holds bar war against the RMT ****. That means no 14 day bans that allow them to log back on sell their char and buy a new one, but zeroing out accounts and "deleting" them.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:59:00 -
[56]
errr ... to make it short ... and sorry if i fail to communicate my point.
Keep on talking until you realize you can't change the situation anymore
because they got so much money and power that it's simply impossible ...
or get your balls together already.
Discussions only get you enslaved. (metaphorically speaking)
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Steve Seninard
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:00:00 -
[57]
First, Ivan Drago kills Apollo Creed and now this?! This cannot stand.
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Holy One
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:02:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Steve Seninard
First, Ivan Drago kills Apollo Creed and now this?! This cannot stand.
LMAO 
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:03:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Mutnin
CCP need to get their ass in gear and start a no holds bar war against the RMT ****. That means no 14 day bans that allow them to log back on sell their char and buy a new one, but zeroing out accounts and "deleting" them.
Yes others also RMT but not on scale as Russians do and it's not like they even try to hide it as they openly talk about their botting ect..
blablabla.
Realize the facts.
Everybody "knows" it, so CCP knows it too.
There's simply no argueing about it.
Still, they don't do anything about it.
Now figure.
Of course you can call me conspiracy-idiotblablawhatever ... still, the facts remain.
Everybody "knows" it ... so CCP knows it too.
Still ... they don't do anything about it.
I love the game and i believe CCP is great ... i do not really understand what is going on,
but obvious things are obvious. We do not know why they don't do anything against it,
so talking about it is useless and stupid anyway.
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Ymirus
Minmatar
Fly Drunk
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:04:00 -
[60]
Claiming only the Drone Russians bot is silly.
Saying they will win the war because they bot is even sillier. If they win the war because they (supposedly) bot, it must mean they have more cashflow from it than others and can therefore field more/better/more expensive shiny spacetoys. If they have more cashflow because they bot, it means the enforcement against it is sub-par, meaning whole alliances can get away with it.
Obvious solution: Go bot as well so the monetary field is levelled.
Oh wait what's that? You're already botting? In that case they must simply be better/more numerous/want it more.
To the victor go the spoils, all's fair in love and war.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:05:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Steve Seninard
First, Ivan Drago kills Apollo Creed and now this?! This cannot stand.
They tell a different story.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:09:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Mutnin
For a large amount of the Russians EVE is their job.
Could you back that up with some statistics? (See what I did there?)
Now kindly fvck off and DIAF.
...
If you like choice please support this topic in the Assembly Hall. Thanks.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:10:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 01/06/2011 20:10:52
I was talking to some friends of mine who haven't played too long but are really having fun. I mentioned BOB...they looked at me with blank stares. They had no clue what bob was.
It's a long fall to the bottom from the precariously balanced top. No one is unstoppable.
RMT should be dealt with harshly...but just because they write funny doesn't mean they automatically breach the EULA.
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Steve Seninard
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:15:00 -
[64]
Not a single Borat joke in here? Color me disappointed.
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Cydens
Amarr
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:26:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Steve Seninard
Not a single Borat joke in here? Color me disappointed.
I don't know if you read the OP, but this is a serious thread full of serious discussion.
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Tza Omi
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:34:00 -
[66]
Silly Moose and Squirrel...
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:42:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Cydens
I don't know if you read the OP, but this is a serious thread full of serious discussion.
Speak for yourself. 
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Steve Seninard
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:43:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Cydens
Originally by: Steve Seninard
Not a single Borat joke in here? Color me disappointed.
I don't know if you read the OP, but this is a serious thread full of serious discussion.
Super serial
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Ms Ganks
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:53:00 -
[69]
Now is the perfect time for the NC to elect a black president based on his swagger.
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DesertFox1940
Caldari
Polly want a cracker
Illuminati.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:00:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Steve Seninard
Not a single Borat joke in here? Color me disappointed.
Would shouting "WOLVERINES!" While wildly shooting an AK in the air help that disappointment?
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:00:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Ms Ganks
Now is the perfect time for the NC to elect a black president based on his swagger.
They need another Reagan, he would eat the Sov Map like a bowl of Jellybeans.
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Ms Ganks
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:03:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Ms Ganks
Now is the perfect time for the NC to elect a black president based on his swagger.
They need another Reagan, he would eat the Sov Map like a bowl of Jellybeans.
True, but that would be sort of racist, to the swagger guy.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:05:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Ms Ganks
True, but that would be sort of racist, to the swagger guy.
Would Black Reagan fix it?
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Ms Ganks
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:12:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Ms Ganks
True, but that would be sort of racist, to the swagger guy.
Would Black Reagan fix it?
It just might! It just might
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Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:26:00 -
[75]
Ill repeat again - my post stated 'Russain Alliances' no matter what ethnic group they contain - meaning collective- so please refrain from 'Russain' as in people. Its meant as an ingame Alliance - they just happen to be Russain alliances.
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:27:00 -
[76]
Originally by: DesertFox1940
Would shouting "WOLVERINES!" While wildly shooting an AK in the air help that disappointment?
Hey it's not the 80's anymore, get over it. Now we have prepared for invasion Brown Bear cavalry with Crazy Ivan robots instead of useless Cuban troopers
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:31:00 -
[77]
Who cares about nulsec anyway?
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Llyandrian
Amarr
Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:34:00 -
[78]
DRF need to replace lost isk income from banned bots accounts to supply their RMT sales which is why they are going after tech moon in mad rush of make or break.
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Uber Gott
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:41:00 -
[79]
instead of whining, go join the fight against the russians. from what youre saying, it sounds like they need manpower bad
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Morgan Polaris
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:55:00 -
[80]
You concern yourself with the Russians... in the meanwhile, the Dutch will do the real damage.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:56:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Morgan Polaris
You concern yourself with the Russians... in the meanwhile, the Dutch will do the real damage.
No we don't ...
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:24:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
How to beat the russians 101.
By obsidian hawk.
step 1 train up to a covert ops ship, preferably a bomber.
step 2 fly to drone regions.
step 3, cloak up
step 4. leave your computer and account on 23/7 cloaked and all botting and ratting will come to a stand still.
Yes folks, its this easy.
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Merovee
Amarr
Gorthaur Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:24:00 -
[83]
imho
The fighting of the last few years between NC/Goon vs BoB/IT was intense. While the Red/russian alliance grew without major involvement.
Now IT is gone and its elements are dispersed.
The Russians have built a huge war chest and saw the weakness of NC and without a major threat in the south, pounced.
EVE politics as usual, let the good times flow.
Of Mordor
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DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:53:00 -
[84]
It is indeed apalling to find that states with high communistic backings and opressive leadership can run riot over eve.
It's time we stand up against these opressive nations and say that freedom and justice should be had for ALL.
Of course, the Russians probably felt that way and that's why they are trying to knock the yanks off ;P....
Seriously tho, What makes their region of the world any worse than yours?
Real Teeth, Not Obese, Just as corrupt as Europe and NA, Sure the local police there may shoot you in the head if you dont sell your buisness to someone who wants to build homes on your property, AT LEAST THEY ARE OPEN ABOUT IT!.
On top of Spamming and RMT, Hasnt the majority of this came from AMERICANS in the past?... Look up some of the previous botnets and you'll see the answer is yes.
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Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! ! |
Shigeru Potatomoto
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:01:00 -
[85]
I like how EVE is set in the future but we're acting like it's the 50s. Anyway, they should have a little fun. According to Infinity Ward and Tom Clancy, Russia's about to be taken over by Ultranationalists and obliterated in a hightech cybernetic war.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:27:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Hermann Fegelein
Most Russians who play EVE don't RMT. In fact most RMT people reside in the US and UK.
all the time I been playing This is incorrect.... I find more bots in russian space than any other space. I guess you don't travel eve much!
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IsoMetricanTaliac 2
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.02 00:03:00 -
[87]
CCP basically have ALLOWED the current RMTing issues to get to the point where we are now seeing what the advantages of doing it bring!
I really don't care for Meg-Blobs or Mega-Alliance/Coalitions & would like to see an end to all of them as it wouldn't be such a bad thing I wouldn't think.
I wonder if CCP can answer a few things?:
1). There was evidence of who, what & where they were doing their RMTing & it was gathered by people who don't even have access to 1 10th the information CCP workers would yet CCP appear to be doing very little about the issue. Why is that?
2). With the Russians & others now gathering Titans in 40's & 50's & having numerous others to use what do they intend to do about using all of those in the one place at the same time? (There really is no serious way of countering without having the same number of supers that other than hoping the node dies & things go haywire & that is pretty sad to say the very least)
3). We have blobs of SuperCarriers basically killing just about everything that can be killed in only a matter of minutes, just how is that supposed to be countered? (Once again the same people as above are building these things at an unbelievable rate & selling them as well as building their own numbers up. How is ANYONE ABLE to build so many ships that are worth so much without there being some major problems?)
No what we are seeing here is a direct result of allowing RMTing to go on unhindered & unless something changes very soon I think it may very well see a lot of people leaving the game for fairer, better balanced games that do something about people that take part in RMTing activities.
I guess the big question is what can CCP do about the current situation? Well they could start by banning the people who are taking part in the RMTing, & the line of we are looking into it isn't going to wash as just how much evidence does it take before something is done? (Or are CCP worried if they take a stand now they will loose customers? OR does the ladder to the top of those that are RMTing go even further?)  
I think it is a shame that such a great game has come to the point EVE has & that it may be that & not that the game is 8+ years old that finally ends it all.
With the new owners of 0.0 being the ones who are able to field the most Super Capitals & sell the most ISK through RMT I am glad my subscription is about to run down as I think like many of the other people I talk to that I will be moving on to a better, cheaper game to play that isn't lousy with RMTing & other game stuffing activities..
I must say though it wasn't a bad game till this crap & who knows maybe it will be sold to a developer that actually cares about it's current game & not just games it is developing...
In a Time When Many Will Seek Death, There Will Always Be Those Like Me Who Won't Mind Helping Them Along Their Way!?! |
Sandwich PvP
Furian Necromongers
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Posted - 2011.06.02 01:00:00 -
[88]
With all the NC alts posting massive tears, you'd think they lost their jobs.....
I for one salute DRF WN and the rest for sending the NC into a watery grave, almost makes me wish I had gone that route....
Sort by what? |
Selinate
Amarr
Mocking Birds
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Posted - 2011.06.02 01:13:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Ms Ganks
True, but that would be sort of racist, to the swagger guy.
Would Black Reagan fix it?
Black Reagan?? wtf??
PARADOX!
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Hermann Fegelein
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.02 01:13:00 -
[90]
Originally by: northwesten
Originally by: Hermann Fegelein
Most Russians who play EVE don't RMT. In fact most RMT people reside in the US and UK.
all the time I been playing This is incorrect.... I find more bots in russian space than any other space. I guess you don't travel eve much!
You've been to a high-sec asteroid belt at least once right?
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Brigen sie mich Fegelein! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN FEGELEIN! |
Caldari Acolyte
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Posted - 2011.06.02 01:15:00 -
[91]
Sends 6 US Carrier groups to the Barents Sea, Russian problem fixed 
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2011.06.02 01:15:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Hermann Fegelein
Originally by: northwesten
Originally by: Hermann Fegelein
Most Russians who play EVE don't RMT. In fact most RMT people reside in the US and UK.
all the time I been playing This is incorrect.... I find more bots in russian space than any other space. I guess you don't travel eve much!
You've been to a high-sec asteroid belt at least once right?
I have and I haven't seen much bots for some time. Not what it use to be but I guess you never been around 0.0 sec to see your self right?
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Ikserak tai
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Posted - 2011.06.02 01:40:00 -
[93]
The Russians are using the principle of war called "mass". They used it to great effect in WWII by massing artillery and armor in unheard of concentrations to defeat the German armies.
Now their ancestors are using the same tactic, and it is apparently working like a charm. If opposing alliances can't match up, they deserve to be tossed into the dustbin of Eve history.
If New Eden indeed comes under the thumb of an autocratic mega-alliance fueled by RMT shenanigans, then so be it. If the devs do not have the cajones to end this nonsense, then it's their effing game and let the cards fall where they may.
YOU'VE NEVER ROCKED 'TIL YOU'VE UNDOCKED. |
Nimbat
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Posted - 2011.06.02 01:48:00 -
[94]
hello i am longtiem palyer looking for russian alliance join, i good skills many kills highsec please send mail so i can join the fun thank you
(Actually, that would be pretty cool.)
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Ham Shanker
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Posted - 2011.06.02 02:09:00 -
[95]
Thing is here, you have to look at the wider socio economic situation in Eastern Europe.
Apart from a few wealthy entrepreneurs, the major populace still live in 3rd world style abject poverty.
Most nations have come to realise that one of the best tools in the modern world that will help to improve their economic situation is? yup, the internet.
So whilst a lot of these country's, from Eastern Europe to Africa are investing heavily in telecom's\internet infrastructure, there is little else in the way of investment that'll greatly improve the opportunities, lifestyles and personal wealth of the average Joe.
For instance. I've been skiing a couple of times to Bulgaria. And I kid you not, this country has little to no infrastructure. Very few roads, very poor water and electricity grids etc etc... But! you've guessed it. They all have computers and internet connections. Just about everywhere you go there is someone on a computer farming WOW gold, or ISK. I recall going into a shop once for cigarettes, and in place of a cash register is an old computer, and the girl is farming WOW gold when she's not serving customers.
So it comes as no surprise and is no coincidence when over the past five years especially. The Russians and the old Eastern bloc start making inroads into EVE. As It's providing a nice little income for the majority of them. And why is this? well, my previous point! Their government's are investing heavily in telecom s, but little else.
So, no prospects, no jobs but they've all got fast broadband connections. Or the cafT's they play in have...lol
Has anyone pondered why the active player count suddenly spiked three or four years back?
Anyway. I'm pretty sure CCP are more than aware of this and are faced with a dilemma. If they went Jihad on it and banned all the botters, macro's and RMTers overnight. I think we'd be looking at active player counts online at any time circa 2005/6. I mean I remember a busy Sunday was like 15, 16,000 players online when I started. A year or two later and it's more than double.
I also think CCP are being very conservative and coy when they release regional figures for active subscribers. I honestly think the balance has swayed more towards Eastern Europe than Western. But as you can imagine, CCP would never publicly admit this as would only serve to drive away yet more casual players.
This current environment cannot last forever, especially as it's only getting worse and will eventually drive EVE into the ground.
I'm afraid the only obvious solution that presents itself currently. Is to ban Eastern European IP's and give them their own server.
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Uber Gott
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Posted - 2011.06.02 02:50:00 -
[96]
why dont all the remaining non russian forces band together and pull a last alliance on their asses
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.02 02:53:00 -
[97]
Edited by: 5n4keyes on 02/06/2011 02:53:11
Confirming that Russians dont have UK or US players within there alliances.
O Wai...
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.02 03:09:00 -
[98]
As long as they're professional Russians i'm ok with them.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.06.02 03:17:00 -
[99]
I think I know CCP's plan.
1)Let the Russians take over all of null.
2)Ban all the Russians for botting/RMT.
3)Null is open for the taking just like when sov was first introduced.
Seriously though, this war in null has almost zero effect on the rest of the game. If things get bad enough, players will find a way to change what they think is the problem.
PS: I do not believe all Russian players use bots. That would be a moronic assumption.
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Naradius
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2011.06.02 03:23:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Naradius on 02/06/2011 03:26:41
About time the NC crumbled...if ever there was a case of backdoor probing going on to retain space, the NC alliances opened their backdoors to each other with gay abandon.
I had my fair share of battles with the Russians...a scary bunch - they could always pull numbers, but seemingly without the gayness of the NC.
If I was them, I would want to move away from the Dronelands as well.
P.S. Also hilarious spotting NC cry babies on this thread
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Stupid McStupidson
Gallente
Hoek Lyne and Sinker
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Posted - 2011.06.02 03:26:00 -
[101]
Look, Boris! Is Moose and Squirrel!
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Soma Khan
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.02 03:30:00 -
[102]
delicious nc tears itt. guess losing all that rmt income hurts
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Ten Bulls
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.02 03:31:00 -
[103]
One day all the slaves (renters) will stop paying rent.
Then what use is all that space, why defend space they cant use ?
DRF will die the death of a thousand cuts.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
The 8th Order
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Posted - 2011.06.02 03:34:00 -
[104]
I dunno if anyone has been to Geminate or Great Wildlands lately, but it's basically a lone macro raven in EVERY system all day every day, and I bet they aren't being run by americans, or icelanders, or even chinese people.
They are being run by russians.
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Thelitos
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Posted - 2011.06.02 03:53:00 -
[105]
Ha.
I should join the Russians, being one of them myself but playing with Westerners.
Didn't know we were so powerful over there in null-sec... hehe.
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Black Omne
Caldari
Freedom-Technologies
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.06.02 04:02:00 -
[106]
easy solution, just like China, give the Russians their own server. problem solved.
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Fore Khaos
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Posted - 2011.06.02 04:04:00 -
[107]
Funny, I thought the whole point of EVE was to get absurdly rich and powerful to the point where no one could stop you from taking over the whole galaxy.
Oh wait, no that's not it. It's a "sandbox". And the Russians just backed a dumptruck up to it
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Jojo Jackson
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.02 04:57:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 02/06/2011 05:03:21
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Yeah NC used to be unstoppable.
Everything changes.
Russian alliances are now unstoppable.
Everything changes.
I hope this will happen:
- PL, Ex-BoB and all the other Mercs the Rusians hired to invade the north did it for the money AND becouse they hate the NC (for whatever reason)
- after the NC is no more the job is done and the contracts between the Rusians and all the Mercs is fullfit
- the Mercs get borred when they have no targets anymore
- Ex-NC is borred too without 0.0 too
- the both, the Mercs and Ex-NC start to search new targets and see this big red east with lots of easy targets ;)
They don't do it to invade this regions, just to get some fun and fights.
To say it clearly. The Rusians ALONE don't have the expirience and manpower to defend this super big block (east+north). I bet just PL alone might be able to destroy the Red Block (not with manpower but combat expirence) if they chose to.
Why I would love to this this happen?
The reds don't speek english and if they do, they refuse to. That's the only reason ;).
PS: I'm in no 00 aliance with any char. I just love T2 ships and don't want to see the Rusian control the resuce market for to long.
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Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.02 08:39:00 -
[109]
I dont care who owns 0.0, I do care about language, I cant stand monkeys speaking Klingon in local. There should be a server side detection procedure - as soon as someone speaks russian in local he is moved to the Chinese server.
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Ioci
Gallente
Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2011.06.02 08:47:00 -
[110]
No worries, once PL burns the north, CCP will patch/ nerf to insure none of the North use the same tactics to get it back.
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Azztoroid
Minmatar
Shipwreck cove
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Posted - 2011.06.02 08:48:00 -
[111]
What i read is something like this.....Russians are bad, botts are Russian, eve are Russian, Iceland is Russian and soon the world will be Russian.....
Im pretty sure that by stacking them against us will show that "the unrussian world have more botts per accounts than the Russians have.....
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Tom Sasaki
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Posted - 2011.06.02 09:48:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Tom Sasaki on 02/06/2011 09:53:04
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Hermann Fegelein
Looks like someone got ganked by a different group of people
Northern coalition spent years making mass profits by building supercaps and selling at a huge profit while at the same time blowing up the super cap assembly arraies of everyone else to maintain their monopoly of the market.
Now all those super caps they sold at huge profit margin are being used to come and invade their space.
Word I hear is that on Monday the russions put most of the NC's super cap assembly array stations into reinforced. Tuesday was a massive call to arms to protect them, for without them, there is no chance of rebuilding their super cap fleet to counter the invasion...
Word is, NC mustered 30 super caps to the Russian's 130+.
NC, as it has existed for half-a-decade, ceased to exist yesterday.... or so I hear tell.
Now it is a scramble to make nice with the new Russian masters of EVE.
So NCdot, Ev0ke, Pandemic Legion, Merciless, & Raiden are suddenly russian?
During those fights there were approx 40 russian pilots all of them in subcapitals, the rest of the force fighting the NC were a mix of mostly western european & american players(and ofc some lovely aussies).
Edit: Forgot Ev0ke
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Digital Messiah
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Posted - 2011.06.02 10:09:00 -
[113]
Thread was TL;DR, I vote for black Reagan. Who will fly into nc and russian controlled space in a jovian super cap owning all and instantly setting up pos's. This is of course to stop the communist ways of RMT which was started under fair work fair isk, and share the isk programs. aka the... common botter  .
Now you maybe asking yourself what will come next?! Titan doomsday devices in highsec! Well fear not, cast your vote today for BLACK REAGAN!
Quote:
Don't Panic
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Rico Minali
Gallente
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.02 10:17:00 -
[114]
Hmmm, Eve, interwebz spaceships and intrigue.... Think Ill do some fighting.
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.06.02 10:23:00 -
[115]
OMG US carebear players suck balls, and want CCP help to avoid failure, more news at 11.
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Azhpol
Gallente
Casa Del Wombat
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Posted - 2011.06.02 10:28:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Altina Akiga
Enough is enough, I've had it with these mother****ing **************** on this mother****ing server.
Wow, I don't think I know any swearwords that long.... wtf did you say there
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.06.02 10:35:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Ham Shanker
(...)
I'm afraid the only obvious solution that presents itself currently. Is to ban Eastern European IP's and give them their own server.
I can't win, OMG ban them all, help me CCP!
Pathetic.
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Neamus
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Posted - 2011.06.02 10:51:00 -
[118]
Lol, look at all this crap.
High sec just gets better and better all the time.
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Ozmodan
Minmatar
Massively Mob
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:04:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Hermann Fegelein
Edited by: Hermann Fegelein on 01/06/2011 17:26:07
Looks like someone got ganked by a different group of people
I'm shocked at the amount of people who are *****ing because an ethnic minority is starting to grow larger.
Most Russians who play EVE don't RMT. In fact most RMT people reside in the US and UK.
The reason why Russian players are becoming the most powerful in EVE is because they spend more time playing the game than whining about it.
Zoom way to completely miss the point of the thread. Nice to be blissfully ignorant of things.
It does not matter what ethic group the alliance is comprised of, the problem is they exist because of massive botting which last time I looked is illegal according to game rules. Let's be specific here, they don't play they bot!
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Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:04:00 -
[120]
I was there (LV) when the russians were pushed back to 1 station in cache, they used game mechanics in their favor and pushed us all back!
Considering, according to official CCP statistics, russians make up only 5-10% of the player base, it only proves one thing, that russians rock while the rest of u sux! While all those US/EU players either carebear their heart out in empire (cause their folks are too elitist to recruit them) or too busy backstabbing each other over crumbles, the russians are reaping the benefits of cooperation in a game that rewards group efford over all else.
I'm not russian or pro-russian or anything (although they have the best vodka and women imo), but lets say ur an isolated group and succeed against odds, would you want to get nerfed or artificially stopped just because the enemy cant get their act together and form up a strong enough opposition. Besides stop panicing, there aint enough russian players to populate all those regions anyway..
Just my 2 cents on this matter...
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Tom Sasaki
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:10:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Kunming
I was there (LV) when the russians were pushed back to 1 station in cache, they used game mechanics in their favor and pushed us all back!
Considering, according to official CCP statistics, russians make up only 5-10% of the player base, it only proves one thing, that russians rock while the rest of u sux! While all those US/EU players either carebear their heart out in empire (cause their folks are too elitist to recruit them) or too busy backstabbing each other over crumbles, the russians are reaping the benefits of cooperation in a game that rewards group efford over all else.
I'm not russian or pro-russian or anything (although they have the best vodka and women imo), but lets say ur an isolated group and succeed against odds, would you want to get nerfed or artificially stopped just because the enemy cant get their act together and form up a strong enough opposition. Besides stop panicing, there aint enough russian players to populate all those regions anyway..
Just my 2 cents on this matter...
Or the russians have the brains to actually temporary ally with the enemies of their enemy.
If you go through evekill for the last month you will notice the majority of the pilots that has been killing NC the last month belong to "western" alliances.
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Shirley Temple
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:13:00 -
[122]
There seems to be a simple flaw in your argument. You seem to be getting RMT'ing and Macro/botting all mixed up. Surely (Don't call me Shirley) if the "Russians" were RMT'ing then they wouldn't have all the ISK to buy up the universes supply of super caps?
The good news is that if Super Caps are the flavor of the month at the moment then you can rest assured that CCP will wield the nerf hammer at some point.
As an ex-NC grunt, there were several reasons the NC got into trouble. These range from the fact it got too fat with members only interested in making ISK, The BFF's started ignoring requests for help from each other, and players weren't motivated.
All the big power blocks have suffered from this at some point or other, The NC just got hit by a tsunami of bad luck all at the sametime.
Eve is a harsh mistress, and like a typical woman changes her mind at a whim. Change is inevitable!
Todays DRF will be tomorrows ASCN, well maybe not tomorrow, but I have it on good authority that the war will be over by Christmas
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Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:16:00 -
[123]
Making allies and playing the diplomatic game is part of EVE. Sitting in a corner and waiting for all the awesomeness come to you is ignorance at its best.
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:21:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Neamus
Lol, look at all this crap.
High sec just gets better and better all the time.
Yea all the 3+ year old elitist vets with their supercaps and bots .. let them fight it out among themselves. Why should I care, it's almost like they play another game that I can't take part in the coming years anyway?
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:25:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Scarlet des Loupes
Originally by: Last Tardfighter
Get ready for the massive bot farms.
All that's left is sex in stations .. oh no not even that!
[troll]
I'm ok with that, Russian have an excellent Vodka and their girls are hot has hell opposed to our icebergs ladies !!
Dam yeah !
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voodoo
Evolution
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:26:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Yeah NC used to be unstoppable.
Everything changes.
Russian alliances are now unstoppable.
Everything changes.
confirming , things change.
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lilol' me
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:33:00 -
[127]
I think there is some other missing points. The issue is also how much space can someone just have it has become serious.
We talk about bob and Ascn in the same breadth but its not the same. Yes bob at one point did own the south but that all jus the south..not everything. The DRF Alliances have now what 3/4 or all null sec alliances after they take tribute and tenal/branch (which will happen)!
The will control all the moons, all the stations, which affects the market which affects everyone. You should not be able or allowed to own take that much space, or we come to as the op stated the chinese server where one group pretty much take over eve. Is that right or good for the game? No its not.
This situation is not the same as bob or ascn at all. Plus bob didnt have supercaps at the time :) but any I digress.
Do you not think its crazy how one group can pay 600bill to PL and then pay billions for all the supers the bought? and still go strong? I mean yeah NC needed removing but what by somethig much worse!. It bad that they seem to have this constant flow of isk that they can just pay billions and billions without a problem and basically pay to win..
Ive said it before Ill say it again
Severely nerf this free constant flow of isk 0- moon gold
Limit the number of space/sov/stations an alliance can own
Limit the number of blues an alliance can have.
Stop risk free pvp! Its stupid that an alliance can field 400 ships and lose them, or lose 10 supers and instantly not feel the pinch and replace them.
Botting can be stopped if CCP want to.
This is not about russian alliances, im sure the same would be said about it if it were american alliances or whatever.
I do feel that CCP needs to answer to this, they can do something, and if they had an ounce of integrity, cleaning up the game is the right thing to do rather than having more numbers in the game, that infact will end up killing it.
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Tom Sasaki
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:54:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Tom Sasaki on 02/06/2011 11:54:55
Originally by: lilol' me
I think there is some other missing points. The issue is also how much space can someone just have it has become serious.
We talk about bob and Ascn in the same breadth but its not the same. Yes bob at one point did own the south but that all jus the south..not everything. The DRF Alliances have now what 3/4 or all null sec alliances after they take tribute and tenal/branch (which will happen)!
And I ask again since when are Pandemic Legion, NCdot, Ev0ke or Raiden. russian?
They are the main fleet strenght lately, not Red alliance, Solar fleet, Legion of xxDeath or White noise(which are russian alliances).
Major russian participation have not been seen since geminate and unless you are blind they are kinda being assaulted in the south by Against All Authorities & friends.
Edit: Basicly I am asking you to check killboards consider the facts and lay off the NC forum coolaid propaganda for a bit
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Dr Larry Goldstein
Charybdis Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:58:00 -
[129]
In Russia, drone regions control you.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:03:00 -
[130]
Someone said that if you're not willing to fight for what you have in Eve you don't deserve it.
Seems Russians fight for what they have, so they deserve it.
Instead of ganking hulks at high sec belts to feed your e-peen KB, you guys should put some effort together and get the crap out of them kick their ass!
And show you can do other stuff than /cry - accuse Russians of botting and crap tons of game time when every one knows pretty well those same alliances are the ones who exploit resources like moons now for years, are known to use bots, and the ones not being very attractive to join?
With in those same alliances we can see post in this very same forum where:
-they use bots
-they scam players
-some ransom new incoming players once they r stuck in low/null
-the shares are only for a few ones, the same stealing assets, killing blues because they don't agree with their opinion etc
-they are arrogant enough to post in this forum in different manners the most common being lack of respect for others opinions, trolling, scamming etc
So yes, I'm pretty happy they're getting the crap out of you and showing to every single player how good those alliances and the people organising them are.
Bow your new overlords or grow some balls and learn to work together in trust, witch also means start to be honest with corpies/members and give them the will to fight.
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Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:03:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Tom Sasaki
Edited by: Tom Sasaki on 02/06/2011 11:54:55
Originally by: lilol' me
I think there is some other missing points. The issue is also how much space can someone just have it has become serious.
We talk about bob and Ascn in the same breadth but its not the same. Yes bob at one point did own the south but that all jus the south..not everything. The DRF Alliances have now what 3/4 or all null sec alliances after they take tribute and tenal/branch (which will happen)!
And I ask again since when are Pandemic Legion, NCdot, Ev0ke or Raiden. russian?
They are the main fleet strenght lately, not Red alliance, Solar fleet, Legion of xxDeath or White noise(which are russian alliances).
Major russian participation have not been seen since geminate and unless you are blind they are kinda being assaulted in the south by Against All Authorities & friends.
Edit: Basicly I am asking you to check killboards consider the facts and lay off the NC forum coolaid propaganda for a bit
Perhaps he states that cos PL are being PAID stupid amouts of MONEY!! Thats why they are there..
NC. and Evoke well since the anom nerf they drop provi like a hot brick, this way they help drf they get given a region..duh...which is much better and then they can go back to ratting the estemels of old motherland of Venal too..thats why...they are STILL Aligned the to DRF..
This isnt about NC at all, dont give a flying feck about NC tbh. But i care greatly where this game is going - down the $hitter.
Look
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Hermann Fegelein
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:10:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Neamus
Lol, look at all this crap.
High sec just gets better and better all the time.
Agreed. Null sec is nothing more than a contest to see who can make each other cry. Judging from the amount of whining on this thread it seems the Russian alliances are winning.
Low and High sec FTW.
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Wardecced Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:12:00 -
[133]
How do you join a russian corp/alliance ?
Do you need a bot preinstalled or will they provide you with one ?
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:32:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Wardecced Alt
How do you join a russian corp/alliance ?
Do you need a bot preinstalled or will they provide you with one ?
You are mistaken, only bots can join Russian corp/alliances.
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Shepard Book
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:44:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Not that I care NC dies at all - think its good they are dying - but this is just ridiculous, Russain alliances pretty much now will control eve, markets, nullsec everything.
Awesome job CCP!! - refuse to do anything about RMT even though they know who is doing it, and hows it done
Refuse to do anything about moon gold
Refuse to do anything about nullsec and how much space ppl can own
Now not only will they be botting but also have silly amount of tech moons.
This game is just going like the chinese server, one group owning and ruling all!!!!
Enough is Enough! Troll all you like....its a joke and it needs to be said
NC alt tears are funny. Every Alliance in the game has people doing all the negative things you are mentioning here not just the russian ones. BTW, they do not own most of nullsec. Nullsec will get worse though if they nerf super jump ranges or fuel consumption IMO. That is one way it will make it much harder for others to attack the tech tree. CCP needs to spread out tech moons to every corner.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:57:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
All the people who speak Russian are on the same team.
not really. I've seen wartargets who are russian too. (hehe, surprise! )
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.02 13:25:00 -
[137]
Originally by: northwesten
I find more bots in russian space than any other space. I guess you don't travel eve much!
take a note that "russian space" isn't fully russian. We have 2 american corps 2 systems near of our. 
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Naradius
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2011.06.02 14:00:00 -
[138]
Originally by: northwesten
I find more bots in russian space than any other space. I guess you don't travel eve much!
Just a year or so ago, I remember the same type of thing being said about NC controlled space. I use to spend a lot of time in that area in a cloaky, and can confirm that NC space had it's fair share of bots as well.
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Tosser Galore
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Posted - 2011.06.02 14:03:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Tosser Galore on 02/06/2011 14:04:01
The so called "cold war" was for most part only a fabrication to keep the populace in place (both the russian and american). The russian military might was blown up, way out of proportion [red scare ii], the us taxpayers fueled the pentagon system, as is the rationale behind all war machines in history.
Cuba crisis was very much real, but steered off at the last instant by sane people working in an insane enviroment.
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Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.02 15:37:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Tosser Galore
Edited by: Tosser Galore on 02/06/2011 14:04:01
The so called "cold war" was for most part only a fabrication to keep the populace in place (both the russian and american). The russian military might was blown up, way out of proportion [red scare ii], the us taxpayers fueled the pentagon system, as is the rationale behind all war machines in history.
Cuba crisis was very much real, but steered off at the last instant by sane people working in an insane enviroment.
lol not sure this is the same thing - this is actually happening for all to seem, there is no propaganda lol...
ps...dude your name
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Kendross
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Posted - 2011.06.02 15:48:00 -
[141]
Edited by: Kendross on 02/06/2011 15:50:43
Its posts like this that often make me chuckle while at same time fill me with rage. We all know RMT is an issue, and so is botting. Its really plain simple.
If you wish to make a complaint, dont come on here mouthing off because at the end of the day CCP have your money, and wont take the slightest bit of notice because they know you wont ever do the unthinkable.
If you wish to make a point and protest do so using your wallet not your keyboard. What do you honestly think would happen from a share holders point of view if suddenly 20 thousand active players went on a protest. The devs and game makers know full well your hooked and you wont ever go to such strong reactions but think about it for a bit. Without your hard earned cash there is no CCP.
I dont care who wins the north war or not and since being online since 2004 I have seen many changes but it always results in the same thing. There is far to many resources bunched into one small area. NC has always had a stronghold because of that very said thing. I also agree supercaps have gone border line madness. When it becomes a game of ping pong who has thelargest amount of win button ships which the large majority of us wont really ever get near to (Because we are not PL or NC). The use of real money to purchase Merc offerings would be an instant offence of the EULA and action needs to be taken. The whole plex idea is whats brought this on. But hey if someone pays $20K to attack someone else and it goes straight into an icelandic business bank account of course there not going to say a thing. Everything in this world and a virtual world revolves around one thing and one thing only MONEY!.
Peace out.
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Molly Molotov
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Posted - 2011.06.02 15:54:00 -
[142]
##########################################################
Recruiting for crusade against the Russian horde!! Must have 80m sp, be able to fit a fully t2 super carrier, must be aviluable from 02:00 to 23:00 Application must include your FULL API, your home address, photocopy of your drivers license. Must call my Lord and Savior, must put your computer on the floor and play from there. No drinking or eating while online.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.06.02 16:02:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Molly Molotov
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Recruiting for crusade against the Russian horde!! Must have 80m sp, be able to fit a fully t2 super carrier, must be aviluable from 02:00 to 23:00 Application must include your FULL API, your home address, photocopy of your drivers license. Must call my Lord and Savior, must put your computer on the floor and play from there. No drinking or eating while online.
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Being 1/4 as dedicated as the Russians will not bring you victory.
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Khavi Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2011.06.02 16:18:00 -
[144]
Is there a map that shows who controls what and what alliances are formed by whom?
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Deadloch
Amarr
One Wounded Wing
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Posted - 2011.06.02 16:34:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Deadloch on 02/06/2011 16:34:08
The hilarity of this post just makes me snort laugh....
All this is great to read.
I would probably like to inform everyone that half of the reason the DRF is able to build all the SCs is due to the Highsec mining. So many low ends available at competitive prices.
DRF has been running an EXCELLENT infrastructure program to maintain ease of renting and buying/selling of goods in their areas. Krutoj as I recall was extremely upset with an Incursion that had landed in the area of one of his JB highways. To that end, I for one applaud the DRF on their tenacity in exploiting a weakness in the NC.
Don't get me wrong, I don't welcome the Russian Overlords, however I do have the utmost respect for their abilities to run a well planned ANNIHILATION of NC morale and assets.
Hiring PL was an excellent move and in the end is what pushed the NC to fold. Otherwise it was a pretty even fight.
Will the DRF last? Only time will tell. I do predict however that with the DRF seeming to be only interested in Tech moons and only lightly defending the rest of the systems, there will be a shift again where they will have internal strife and begin to rot from the inside out... Just like the NC did.
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Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.06.02 16:37:00 -
[146]
My only question in all this is when will I be able to buy Skill Points?
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Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.06.02 16:41:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
My only question in all this is when will I be able to buy Skill Points?
You already can
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DickbeardThePirate
Gallente
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.02 17:06:00 -
[148]
I'm surprised that the OP thinks it is in any way CCP's fault. What, you want to put limits on the amount of space a single alliance can own? How about you go die in a fire. The lack of limits like that, the open-ended gameplay, is the main reason to play EvE.
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Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.06.02 17:20:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Anddeh McNab
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
My only question in all this is when will I be able to buy Skill Points?
You already can
Indirectly but not in the fashion I like. Give $, get SP, apply where I want it to go...
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Dr Larry Goldstein
Charybdis Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.06.02 17:27:00 -
[150]
When will EVE have its first Super Capital SALT Treaty?
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Deadloch
Amarr
One Wounded Wing
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:34:00 -
[151]
All's fair in love and war...
Since obviously everyone on here loves EVE and we fight wars, this applies two fold.
Realistically we know the NC was vulnerable... DRF figured they could do a massive attack themselves and knock the NC off... When they couldn't complete it, PL was hired. Between them, knocking RAGE off with so much ease, was scary. Marching through Geminate, Vale and then on the way to Tribute showed all the other sharks (Other alliances) that NC was a great juicy target.
NC killed itself. Fat, Lazy and non committal to the game, the Leadership enjoyed all sorts of perks without having to fight. The name NC acting like a HUGE DOG with a booming bark. Then when push came to shove, the leadership wallets so full of ISK, they decided it's better off to let DRF chew on the outer alliances and work their way in. Let them die and they might be satiated with that.
Poor planning, Unimaginative Tactics, Greed killed the NC. Wouldn't have mattered if it was DRF, TEST, PL or another alliance/Coalition that decided... Enough is enough.
NC... the bell tolls for you. Blame yourselves because BFF means Best Forgotten Friend.
Also, DRF is going to fall within a year. As with all empires in RL/EVE History... They do not last.
A new Era has begun!!
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Shadowschild
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Posted - 2011.06.02 19:41:00 -
[152]
As an NC grunt I can tell you that this experience was a bitter, somewhat humbling one. I think it's much worse for the bigger alliances like MM. I've been on the front lines, helping to coordinate attacks on supercaps, relaying intel etc. Fact is, they just had an overwhelming force & too many spies. Any action we take is relayed over instantly to them, they seemed to always be 1 step ahead. I think at one point they were even streaming voice coms over justintv.
Anyways, yes it sucks we had to let go of a rather nice sov territory (though much less so since the anom nerf). I can't comment on this RMT stuff, but I've read quite a few posts about this, some even indicating real life political pressure from russian government bailout loans. I never saw any bots around our systems, but walk a bit into gemenite & it was pretty obvious there. I guess its just gonna be a huge botting empire now.
As it stands the NC has not crumbled & failscading, I don't understand where people are getting that assumption, I guess its just them connecting the dots in their mind. We were pushed out, some folks wont like the change & may leave, others will stay. Either way, its not like the NC playerbase is suddenly going to dissapear overnight. When I first started playing the game, I was in one of the renter corps foundation alliance had at the time, they eventually disbanded but the players concolidated into new alliances & eventually, many made their way to the NC. It will be interesting to see what the future holds for us. Hopefully Venal will not be a permanent home :/
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Dior Rellik
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Posted - 2011.06.02 19:51:00 -
[153]
dumb idiots are dumb idoits.
This isn't a legitimate "Destroy the NC and reap the glory" war.
This is a purely corrupt RMT Empire war. PL NC.diks etc etc were all paid to contribute with dirty isk for the sole purpose of taking monumental amounts of profitable space for RMT botting while NC.****s and PL claim there leetness.
The main RMT alliances stay to rear of the war while at the same time funding it to make it look like a legitimate removal of NC while in the background they claim sov and install bots and act the fckin innocent party. The RL money revenue was capped with the **** drone space so its obvious what the value of northern regions has to these scum bags isk selling companines compaired to drone regions.
Just watch what happens if they take over the north and legitmate eve players don't unite against this game killing evil.
Eve has turned from massive lol wars for the luls to another "korean bot infested RMT controlled" game just like many many many mmo's out there.
Sad truth is eve will now become absoultely dependant on RMT bot subs. Unless of course people are willing to unite for one cause and destroy them.
PL and the other fools sold them selves to this when they accepted the contracts so its obvious those who disagree with the above are agents of the RMT empire.
True Story Bro Ö
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Dead Geisha
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:02:00 -
[154]
reporting NC for using whinebots.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:07:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Dior Rellik
taking monumental amounts of profitable space for RMT botting
I see you are talking from experience.
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Movement Runner
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:07:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Dior Rellik
dumb idiots are dumb idoits.
This isn't a legitimate "Destroy the NC and reap the glory" war.
This is a purely corrupt RMT Empire war. PL NC.diks etc etc were all paid to contribute with dirty isk for the sole purpose of taking monumental amounts of profitable space for RMT botting while NC.****s and PL claim there leetness.
The main RMT alliances stay to rear of the war while at the same time funding it to make it look like a legitimate removal of NC while in the background they claim sov and install bots and act the fckin innocent party. The RL money revenue was capped with the **** drone space so its obvious what the value of northern regions has to these scum bags isk selling companines compaired to drone regions.
Just watch what happens if they take over the north and legitmate eve players don't unite against this game killing evil.
Eve has turned from massive lol wars for the luls to another "korean bot infested RMT controlled" game just like many many many mmo's out there.
Sad truth is eve will now become absoultely dependant on RMT bot subs. Unless of course people are willing to unite for one cause and destroy them.
PL and the other fools sold them selves to this when they accepted the contracts so its obvious those who disagree with the above are agents of the RMT empire.
True Story Bro Ö
There are 2 major flaws with your post.
The first is that PL & etc are puppets or pawns. The fact is, they got alot of isk & got to do what they do best, which is pvp. I would have loved to be a part of an opportunity to fleece a large coalition out of null all the while having access to a huge pool of donor isk. Even better they dont have to concern themselves with sov mechanics. They even admitted to never becoming slaves to the Russians, but the opportunity for fun was there & it probably wont come again for a little while. You can't blame them.
The other thing wrong with your post is that I think only 10 or 15% of the player base is in null sec. So the statement that eve will depend on rmt bot subs is a bit farfetched...
Other then that, yes I agree with you, things are headed in a weird direction.
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Dior Rellik
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:10:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Dior Rellik
taking monumental amounts of profitable space for RMT botting
I see you are talking from experience.
wind ur neck in will you Mr RMT agent, CCP knows damn well Im 100% legit, of course the same cant be said for you.
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:15:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Dior Rellik
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Dior Rellik
taking monumental amounts of profitable space for RMT botting
I see you are talking from experience.
wind ur neck in will you Mr RMT agent, CCP knows damn well Im 100% legit, of course the same cant be said for you.
Oh snap, he just declared srs bns on Spank.
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Dior Rellik
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:26:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Movement Runner
Originally by: Dior Rellik
dumb idiots are dumb idoits.
This isn't a legitimate "Destroy the NC and reap the glory" war.
This is a purely corrupt RMT Empire war. PL NC.diks etc etc were all paid to contribute with dirty isk for the sole purpose of taking monumental amounts of profitable space for RMT botting while NC.****s and PL claim there leetness.
The main RMT alliances stay to rear of the war while at the same time funding it to make it look like a legitimate removal of NC while in the background they claim sov and install bots and act the fckin innocent party. The RL money revenue was capped with the **** drone space so its obvious what the value of northern regions has to these scum bags isk selling companines compaired to drone regions.
Just watch what happens if they take over the north and legitmate eve players don't unite against this game killing evil.
Eve has turned from massive lol wars for the luls to another "korean bot infested RMT controlled" game just like many many many mmo's out there.
Sad truth is eve will now become absoultely dependant on RMT bot subs. Unless of course people are willing to unite for one cause and destroy them.
PL and the other fools sold them selves to this when they accepted the contracts so its obvious those who disagree with the above are agents of the RMT empire.
True Story Bro Ö
There are 2 major flaws with your post.
The first is that PL & etc are puppets or pawns. The fact is, they got alot of isk & got to do what they do best, which is pvp. I would have loved to be a part of an opportunity to fleece a large coalition out of null all the while having access to a huge pool of donor isk. Even better they dont have to concern themselves with sov mechanics. They even admitted to never becoming slaves to the Russians, but the opportunity for fun was there & it probably wont come again for a little while. You can't blame them.
The other thing wrong with your post is that I think only 10 or 15% of the player base is in null sec. So the statement that eve will depend on rmt bot subs is a bit farfetched...
Other then that, yes I agree with you, things are headed in a weird direction.
Honestly, this is the one way ticket that alot of mmo's find themselves in. Can you please provide me with statistical proof that most of the legit non-botting eve poplulation lives in high sec ?
It is true that PL have enormous skill and luv pvp but this time they sold them selves as slaves to the RMT Empire, what part of this don't you understand ? if RMT Empire alliances hadnt paid them stupendenous amounnts of isk sourced from ilegitimate game play, do you really think they would be a part of this war ?
NC fought hard for this space for fun and ingame prosperity for its members and probably individuals and had nothing to do with RMT. Blueing and blobbing only maintained this and nothing more, where as the current situation is 100% RMT based.
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Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:28:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Cyrus Doul on 02/06/2011 20:32:39
Originally by: IsoMetricanTaliac 2
3). We have blobs of SuperCarriers basically killing just about everything that can be killed in only a matter of minutes, just how is that supposed to be countered? (Once again the same people as above are building these things at an unbelievable rate & selling them as well as building their own numbers up. How is ANYONE ABLE to build so many ships that are worth so much without there being some major problems?) Once again, how is this going to be addressed?
To answer the part about building them and to shine light on how simple it actually is. (for a titan just triple everything about it cost wise, the methodology still stands)
A couple of months ago a Nyx cost about 10 bil to build buying all the minerals in jita and could sell for 15-17, the Nyx BPO cost 18 and you need 24 component bpos to build the parts directly off the bpos. Payoff would be about Nine supercarriers sold and out the door with a 5 billion profit.
You can buy the minerals in high sec and build them into 425mm railguns, In doing so you can fit the entire supercarrier worth of mins into 2 or 3 jumpfreighters and bring them home to refine with 0 tax
Speaking of tax, that adds to the profit margin. Any refining that alliance members and friends do could easily be spooled into the amount of mins it takes to build the thing. Since the person getting the tax minerals is not the one doing the mining there is no opportunity cost.
Another thing that the alliance officer that is in charge of building these things will do is put a lower then jita buy order in. If you live in say Tenal, which is a good 20 0.0 jumps and have a few billion in mins but no way to move them, that jita -10% sell now option looks pretty tasty. If someone else using the station puts a better buy order out you just one isk them. You were planning to buy the mins in jita anyways so you can go all the way up to = Jita pricing and still take no losses.
So to answer you, it takes an initial 48 billion (one titan) investment in prints, then 1 control tower, 4 capital construction pilots. and 20 billion to start the chain of constantly having one nyx in build while the parts for the others are in the cooker. you'll pay off the 48 bil print investment in 7 months assuming you are not using the options available in the two paragraphs above and manage to sell each nyx the moment it comes out for 15 billion.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:29:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
Originally by: Dior Rellik
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Dior Rellik
taking monumental amounts of profitable space for RMT botting
I see you are talking from experience.
wind ur neck in will you Mr RMT agent, CCP knows damn well Im 100% legit, of course the same cant be said for you.
Oh snap, he just declared srs bns on Spank.
My RMT backbone 
Wardec incoming.
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Molly Molotov
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:50:00 -
[162]
Dior Rellik is just angry because he's getting kicked out of college because the Russians stole his RMT tuition.
That propaganda **** isn't going to work. Everyone knows the NC is heavily involved in RMT just as much if not more so than the Russians. Sure, maybe they spend it on Vodka while you use it on education , different things, sure. But it's all the same
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Dior Rellik
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:06:00 -
[163]
lol try and turn it on us... thats what the guilty do. 100% legit here.
And while im at it, flying though Nc space you see people in local, wave and get one back.
In DRF they no wave.... they warp their bots and cloak and keep schtum!
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:11:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Dior Rellik
lol try and turn it on us... thats what the guilty do. 100% legit here.
And while im at it, flying though Nc space you see people in local, wave and get one back.
In DRF they no wave.... they warp their bots and cloak and keep schtum!
1. You are the one accusing everyone of being RMTers, even me which is laughable.
2. Blues waving at blues when no one is in local is understandable. Expecting hostiles or neuts to communicate with you in local is horribly naive.
No wonder you lost, you are a bunch of carebears with greedy leadership. I mean you were.
Wardec vote is in by the way. Tell me who your main is so I can do it properly thanks.
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Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:16:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Maverick2011 on 02/06/2011 21:16:33
We all know that loads players are botting due to CCP ppor management on Mining and incentive to multiple accounts. I DARE to find a single player with 5+ accounts that controls them all without any third party program aid bot.
And you will find most of these players in larger alliances. Thats not EVE exclusive. Its part of every single MMORPG that gives multiple account players benefits over others. Yea i belive there are people who plays 2-3 accounts on his own without any aid, but if the person has money or time to invest so much into a game, you really think hes going to play by the rules and make his life harder?
Lets stop believing in fairy tales and face the truth.
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Android Mindslave
Gallente
Mindworks
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:19:00 -
[166]
ASCN was invincible
BoB was invincible
NC was invincible
The people going "DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!" sound just like people who hop on the forums during their first EVE patch.
Power Bloc XYZ died, big deal. We've been here before, and we'll be here again.
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Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:22:00 -
[167]
I blame NC leadership for this mess. NC people you were spun a lot of lies for a long ass time.
Admit you drank the cool aid and start your purge if being a drone.
Now of the pilots in your Corp that you like, form a new Corp and make some friends. Enjoy eve again. There's an awful lot you can do when you aren't playing it as a second job for someone who doesn't even know your name
Fizzt!
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III ZiggyBang
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.02 22:39:00 -
[168]
those evil commie bastards - they may have lost the cold war but they are winning in EvE!
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The Illustrious Juden
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Posted - 2011.06.02 23:02:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Spurty
cool aid
It's Kool-aid
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Ed Sullivan
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Posted - 2011.06.02 23:55:00 -
[170]
CCP has allowed RMT to go on for a long time, at least I first became aware of it in the days of BoB. It, along with bots has always been a big problem in Eve. Ever notice corp isk just disappearing every so often? I have. And later I found out where it was going - it was being sold for rl money. That was why people were complaining about BoB having the 10/10's. That's why people are complaining now.
Maybe they can't. Maybe they don't want to. But it would just be a better game if they would ban these people (whoever they may be) into oblivion.
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Molly Molotov
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Posted - 2011.06.03 00:16:00 -
[171]
Edited by: Molly Molotov on 03/06/2011 00:20:49
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Paloka
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Posted - 2011.06.03 00:22:00 -
[172]
That's the problem. A lot of the corruption goes all the way up. From t20 incident to RMTers hosting alliance tournaments and displaying their kinship with devs. Here's a nice article on it EVEs-Devs-and-the-Friends-They-Keep
They won't ban them because in many cases they're just as involved in the corruption. At the very least they've established long term real life bonds apparently with the people destroying the game for the rest of us
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Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
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Posted - 2011.06.03 00:26:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Molly Molotov
Dior Rellik is just angry because he's getting kicked out of college because the Russians stole his RMT tuition.
That propaganda **** isn't going to work. Everyone knows the NC is heavily involved in RMT just as much if not more so than the Russians. Sure, maybe they spend it on Vodka while you use it on education , different things, sure. But it's all the same
DRF Propaganda commissars are out in force.
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Malak Alraheem
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Posted - 2011.06.03 00:31:00 -
[174]
I think it is time to learn Russian so we can infiltrate the 'bad guys'.
Actually, this all reminds me of something I read in the 80's.
When a Moscow taxi driver was asked what he thought of the future of the USSR, he simply replied, "Well, the optimists are learning English, the pessimists are learning Chinese, and the realists are learning marksmanship."
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Dete Data
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Posted - 2011.06.03 00:31:00 -
[175]
Your playing against people who real life job is eve... no regular player can compete with that.
This game is dead we just dont know it yet. Unless ofc CCP does something about RTM...
Promise if that goes away so does all the russians in null..
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Panda Name
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.03 02:18:00 -
[176]
yeah this is america! we can't let those ruskies take over 0.0!! the domino effect is real!
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Shihari Otichoda
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Posted - 2011.06.03 02:37:00 -
[177]
This will be dealt with.
WOLVERINES!
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Patrik Swayzee
Red.Dawn
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Posted - 2011.06.03 02:39:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Shihari Otichoda
This will be dealt with.
WOLVERINES!
That's my line.
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Ded Moroz
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.03 03:05:00 -
[179]
interesting. last i've played about 4-5 years ago I remember the russians were squeezed into 1 or so region and BoB (I was member of Reikoku at the time) were taking over 0.0. I remember seeing similar posts at the time.
Now I come back to a completely different game, and I see the "omg the sky is falling" posts about russians taking over the world. This game is just one big cycle.
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Sandwich PvP
Furian Necromongers
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Posted - 2011.06.03 03:20:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Ded Moroz
interesting. last i've played about 4-5 years ago I remember the russians were squeezed into 1 or so region and BoB (I was member of Reikoku at the time) were taking over 0.0. I remember seeing similar posts at the time.
Now I come back to a completely different game, and I see the "omg the sky is falling" posts about russians taking over the world. This game is just one big cycle.
Well this is really just the cascade of tears by NC Alts, trying to prove they are righteous, and the enemy is "Bad RMT People".
The funnniest part is they keep claiming its the Russians, when many of the corps and alliances involved are US or Euro.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.06.03 09:22:00 -
[181]
Enjoy the tech nerf, supercarrier nerf and improved bot detection mechanisms
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Lei Fai
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Posted - 2011.06.03 09:32:00 -
[182]
я для одного приема наши новые российские повелители
see Russian isnt so hard
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Myfanwy Heimdal
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Posted - 2011.06.03 09:48:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Panda Name
yeah this is america!
I bloody well hope not.
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.03 09:51:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Originally by: Panda Name
yeah this is america!
I bloody well hope not.
Sparta then?
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Jonan Hannon
Gallente
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.06.03 10:08:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Jonan Hannon on 03/06/2011 10:08:27
Russian only please. - Jonan
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Verlaine Glariant
FW Scuad
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Posted - 2011.06.03 10:21:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Not that I care NC dies at all - think its good they are dying - but this is just ridiculous, Russain alliances pretty much now will control eve, markets, nullsec everything.
Awesome job CCP!! - refuse to do anything about RMT even though they know who is doing it, and hows it done
Refuse to do anything about moon gold
Refuse to do anything about nullsec and how much space ppl can own
Now not only will they be botting but also have silly amount of tech moons.
This game is just going like the chinese server, one group owning and ruling all!!!!
Enough is Enough! Troll all you like....its a joke and it needs to be said
Didn't see you complain when GoonSwarm controlled pretty much all of EVE.
Amphysvena Corporation
www.amphysvena.org |
Nawt Ovarpwiced
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Posted - 2011.06.03 11:44:00 -
[187]
I dunno.
I have a feeling that once NC is off the map people will still be looking for big alliances to shoot at.
Xdeath is a nice target :)
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Deadloch
Amarr
One Wounded Wing
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:01:00 -
[188]
1 year before DRF loses a big chunk of space to another upstart alliance... This is the dynamics of the game people.
With the amount of minerals flying around, of course we are getting blobbed with supers... Wouldn't be inflation without it.
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Damien Klesk
Antiquated.
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:10:00 -
[189]
ITT Racism
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warpod
Amarr
People Desintegration Project
Forced Labor
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:19:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Lei Fai
я для одного приема наши новые российские повелители
see Russian isnt so hard
I for one reception our new Russian lords? Wot dos min?
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Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:29:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Damien Klesk
ITT Racism
You seriously need to read the posts before blurting that nonsense. 'Russian Alliances' whether thats filled wiht Aussies, UK, Americans not 'Russians' as in the people
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:58:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Damien Klesk
ITT Racism
You seriously need to read the posts before blurting that nonsense. 'Russian Alliances' whether thats filled wiht Aussies, UK, Americans not 'Russians' as in the people
Confirming that you are defending your closet racism badly.
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Slajov Zizek
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Posted - 2011.06.03 17:22:00 -
[193]
XYNTA
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Mr R4nd0m
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Posted - 2011.06.06 12:36:00 -
[194]
^^ This means? Nerf Supers, Nerf Moon Gold, Nerf the amount of space someone can hold..
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Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
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Posted - 2011.06.06 13:29:00 -
[195]
Today, 9 of the top 10 systems for hunter bots are under the control of the reds, the other being AAA.
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Lidia Prince
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.06 13:38:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Slajov Zizek
XYNTA
Oh you.
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Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.06 14:46:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Lady Spank
Confirming Russians are an 'ethnic minority'
Your signature is too large. Please note that the maximum permitted signature size is 24,000 bytes. Spitfire
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Johnny May
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:32:00 -
[198]
mind me asking one question?
The russians have lived in one of the poorest 0.0 regions so far,
with minerals from loot being their only larger income source.
those very same Russians have lost
5,061,000,000,000.00 ISK (yes thats over 5000bn ISK) in this war
NOT including jumpfuel, or the fees for their mercenaries
or towers / tcu that are still online..
also not including the costs of their enormous supercapital armada.
now, i dont know much about isk prices, but i'd assume they are somwhere slightly below the legit gametime/plex conversion rates - so
those would be a fantastic amount of money we are speaking about.
either way,
if they are RMT sellers, how come they have that fantastic amount at their disposal? i mean financing that enormous amount of ISK and selling 'em at the same time means they would need to make several times as much money as everyone else.. in the ****iest region of eve.
And if you want to argue now that this was kind of a business investment by them... god you must think that russians havent learned capitalism yet.
The risk of the invasion of the north (with the amount of isk involved) would clearly scare away each isktrader who actually has an idea about business - its much more compfortable, safer and easier to make isk running l4's in empire, in special after those just got boosted.
TL;DR: if russians are RMT'ers how come they have and use all the isk they are supposed to having sold, even after living in ****iest region of eve?
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Langoss
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:50:00 -
[199]
only 1 bot can rat 20bill/month
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:00:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Johnny May
TL;DR: if russians are RMT'ers how come they have and use all the isk they are supposed to having sold, even after living in ****iest region of eve?
And then you have to ask yourself where the NC's money went to since they couldn't field ships.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:07:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Kendross
Edited by: Kendross on 02/06/2011 15:50:43
Its posts like this that often make me chuckle while at same time fill me with rage. We all know RMT is an issue, and so is botting. Its really plain simple.
If you wish to make a complaint, dont come on here mouthing off because at the end of the day CCP have your money, and wont take the slightest bit of notice because they know you wont ever do the unthinkable.
If you wish to make a point and protest do so using your wallet not your keyboard. What do you honestly think would happen from a share holders point of view if suddenly 20 thousand active players went on a protest. The devs and game makers know full well your hooked and you wont ever go to such strong reactions but think about it for a bit. Without your hard earned cash there is no CCP.
I dont care who wins the north war or not and since being online since 2004 I have seen many changes but it always results in the same thing. There is far to many resources bunched into one small area. NC has always had a stronghold because of that very said thing. I also agree supercaps have gone border line madness. When it becomes a game of ping pong who has thelargest amount of win button ships which the large majority of us wont really ever get near to (Because we are not PL or NC). The use of real money to purchase Merc offerings would be an instant offence of the EULA and action needs to be taken. The whole plex idea is whats brought this on. But hey if someone pays $20K to attack someone else and it goes straight into an icelandic business bank account of course there not going to say a thing. Everything in this world and a virtual world revolves around one thing and one thing only MONEY!.
Peace out.
This. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Dutarro
Matari Munitions
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:15:00 -
[202]
Just wait until the Koreans start playing EVE...
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:18:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Awesome job CCP!! - refuse to do anything about RMT even though they know who is doing it, and hows it done
Now think. Think very hard. Why would CCP make the bots lives easier with things like an undock hotkey. Why, despite their security expert saying blah blah words has it got to this level of a problem?
I'm going with one or more CCP employees are involved in RMT and quite heavily involved at that. Same as the jump bridge changes are to kill the NC (an anti-bot force by proxy at the momment) dead. Those really are the simplest explinations for the changes.
The only real question is: Who are the new T20's?
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:21:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Dutarro
Just wait until the Koreans start playing EVE...
Velator rush KEKEKEKEKEKE ^__^
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Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
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Posted - 2011.06.06 17:14:00 -
[205]
System gotten the most NPC kills is 21,727 in the last 24 hours.
Many more with 8,000-10,000 NPC kills per 24.
Nearly all in Russian Regions.
Estimate per system per day is 10 Billion bounties.
200 rented systems per alliance.
20% renter tax.
Therefore per Alliance will raise 400 Billion per day, 2,800 Billion per week, 11,200 Billion per month in alliance tax/rent alone from bots. Bots themselves will RMT four times that. These are very minimum numbers.
Anti-bot programme strikes deep so they need to replace ISK income alliance receives from bots.
Alliance can spare few weeks of ISK to pay for war secure long term ISK source.
Be confident Tech price will rise much to pay for war.
Probably others do also bot, but dotlan stats show nobody bot as much as Russians do.
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Milamardafirst
Gallente
Boa Innovations
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Posted - 2011.06.06 17:53:00 -
[206]
You all sound like a premenstrual goat.
Moaning is the only 'quality' you have.
Get over it
I am not Russian but am more then happy to rent from them, no issues, they keep their word, no issues, while many of your corps are a consolidation of ****ing players that think they have the right of eve cause they play a few years.
atm the russians have the balls, should watch them closely and maybea learn a thing or two about them.
And about all your bot crap, tell me one alliance whodidnt try it, grow up, get that nappie off and goddamn grow up.
Think some of you should start a corp 'Moaning pathetics', can turn CEO role every other week.
Jesus !
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weRtheborg
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Posted - 2011.06.06 18:14:00 -
[207]
still.. the russian RMT sites sell the cheapest ISK and theres plenty of them having trillions ready to go.
still.. plenty of botting sites have dedicated forum sections for russians in russian.
and still CCP is not doing much about it.
smells fishy too me, and as a poster above said, someone ""inside might"" be involved in this RMT bussiness since its happening so easily.
cant believe such huge ISK amounts dont look suspicious in those databases, or is someone getting their share and closing their eyes ?
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Evianas
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Posted - 2011.06.06 18:17:00 -
[208]
we have a winner !
CEO of Moaning Pathetics for week 1 & 2 is weRtheborg
*yawn*
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.06.06 18:28:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
All the people who speak Russian are on the same team. All the people who speak english are fighting each other.
People wonder why the Russians are winning.
Bingo.
EvE needs a NATO equivalent.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Tiericide |
Limbista
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.06 19:08:00 -
[210]
atm the russians have the balls, should watch them closely and maybe learn a thing or two from them.
And about all your bot crap, tell me one alliance whodidnt try it, grow up, get that nappie off and goddamn grow up.
Think some of you should start a corp 'Moaning pathetics', can turn CEO role every other week.
Jesus !
when did they ever have balls? even throughout history they only did something cause they needed to or had no other choice and never did it alone. they had help.
about same thing here. they need to cause RMT is big bussiness and they have to eat. so nothing to learn ok?
and about the other alliances trying it.. yeah sure maybe/dont know but not on such a big scale and never got out of hand.
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carrottyphoid
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Posted - 2011.06.06 19:47:00 -
[211]
 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Need motivational quote.
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Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.06 19:49:00 -
[212]
Not that I care DRF dies at all - think its good they are dying - but this is just ridiculous, American alliances pretty much now will control eve, markets, nullsec everything.
Awesome job CCP!! - refuse to do anything about BOTTING even though they know who is doing it, and hows it done
Refuse to do anything about moon gold
Refuse to do anything about nullsec and how much space ppl can own
Now not only will they be botting but also have silly amount of tech moons.
This game is just going like the chinese server, one group owning and ruling all!!!!
Enough is Enough! Troll all you like....its a joke and it needs to be said |
Gertrud ToD
Terrorists of Dimensions
Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2011.06.06 19:57:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Zelda Wei
lots of bulls
first of all, dotlans maps show exactly
TWO drf systems in the topten, thats
if you include rented out systems.
most others are hostile.
second, one of the two systems had an incursion earlier on,
guess why there are so many kills.
third, drone regions dont have bounties. drone region renters pay a fixed sum, which is *ALOT* less than your fantasy numbers.
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nubile slave
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:35:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Zelda Wei
System gotten the most NPC kills is 21,727 in the last 24 hours.
Many more with 8,000-10,000 NPC kills per 24.
Nearly all in Russian Regions.
Estimate per system per day is 10 Billion bounties.
200 rented systems per alliance.
20% renter tax.
Therefore per Alliance will raise 400 Billion per day, 2,800 Billion per week, 11,200 Billion per month in alliance tax/rent alone from bots. Bots themselves will RMT four times that. These are very minimum numbers.
Anti-bot programme strikes deep so they need to replace ISK income alliance receives from bots.
Alliance can spare few weeks of ISK to pay for war secure long term ISK source.
Be confident Tech price will rise much to pay for war.
Probably others do also bot, but dotlan stats show nobody bot as much as Russians do.
You must be kidding....your basing your entire judgement that they must be botting, based on NPC klills? hahahahaha
You realize that Bots are generally very inefficient right? They waste kills, they safe and cloak everytime someone enters the system. Isn't it more likely these systems are heavily populated with RATTERS??? OMG, such a thought right?
Congrats on that great leap of faith there, your problem sovling abilities are unmatched.
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Rize Overload
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Posted - 2011.06.06 21:08:00 -
[215]
Originally by: nubile slave
Originally by: Zelda Wei
System gotten the most NPC kills is 21,727 in the last 24 hours.
Many more with 8,000-10,000 NPC kills per 24.
Nearly all in Russian Regions.
Estimate per system per day is 10 Billion bounties.
200 rented systems per alliance.
20% renter tax.
Therefore per Alliance will raise 400 Billion per day, 2,800 Billion per week, 11,200 Billion per month in alliance tax/rent alone from bots. Bots themselves will RMT four times that. These are very minimum numbers.
Anti-bot programme strikes deep so they need to replace ISK income alliance receives from bots.
Alliance can spare few weeks of ISK to pay for war secure long term ISK source.
Be confident Tech price will rise much to pay for war.
Probably others do also bot, but dotlan stats show nobody bot as much as Russians do.
You must be kidding....your basing your entire judgement that they must be botting, based on NPC klills? hahahahaha
You realize that Bots are generally very inefficient right? They waste kills, they safe and cloak everytime someone enters the system. Isn't it more likely these systems are heavily populated with RATTERS??? OMG, such a thought right?
Congrats on that great leap of faith there, your problem sovling abilities are unmatched.
And you know this,.. how ?
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Tri Vetra
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.06.06 21:18:00 -
[216]
I, too, was raised in an inbred racist culture and I could not agree more! Alas, it seems there is only one possible solution left for us: everyone should consider moving to the chinese server for best Russian-free experience. I think it's only 2 euro/month or something, so even poverty-ridden residents of United States and United Kindom should be able to afford it.
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Black Reagan
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Posted - 2011.06.06 23:59:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Thread was TL;DR, I vote for black Reagan. Who will fly into nc and russian controlled space in a jovian super cap owning all and instantly setting up pos's. This is of course to stop the communist ways of RMT which was started under fair work fair isk, and share the isk programs. aka the... common botter .
Now you maybe asking yourself what will come next?! Titan doomsday devices in highsec! Well fear not, cast your vote today for BLACK REAGAN!
I hear your cries.. let it be know that I'm here. If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.06.07 00:07:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Black Reagan
I hear your cries.. let it be know that I'm here. If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand
God Bless Mr Super President, the Russian are to the East of the Map, I gift you an Ibis.
They all should be ethier Dead or Capitalist in about 3 hours, thread solved.
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Black Reagan
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Posted - 2011.06.07 01:47:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
God Bless Mr Super President, the Russian are to the East of the Map, I gift you an Ibis.
They all should be ethier Dead or Capitalist in about 3 hours, thread solved.
Thank you for your offering.. I've met the russians in battle.. but I think we will need a bigger boat.. would you like to donate a capital?
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/reagansmash.png
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Phenethylamine
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:16:00 -
[220]
If history has taught us anything, it's that Russians + vast territory = failure (and a lot of missing nuclear weapons).
Relax. Give them a little while and Gorbachev will run them into the ground.
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Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
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Posted - 2011.06.08 23:21:00 -
[221]
How much did I laugh when I read this:-
Originally by: "CCP Greyscale"
Technetium is is fairly urgent need of a nerf. That said, the reasons why it's like that are fairly well-understood internally - if you sit down and really look at the current T2 production tree (like we did when we last looked at moon minerals), you'll eventually see that it's really damn hard to solve this problem without extensive restructuring in a very messy manner. That said, we know we have to bite the bullet and make that mess at some point in the near future. (And yes, we were obviously aware that this was going to be a production bottleneck when we made the change, and no, it's not been anything like as bad as the doomsday predictions that were floating around at the time.)
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1508537&page=2#52
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Gothikia
Regeneration
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Posted - 2011.06.09 00:46:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Black Reagan
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/reagansmash.png
hahahaha that is awesome xD
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.09 00:47:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Zelda Wei
How much did I laugh when I read this:-
Originally by: "CCP Greyscale"
Technetium is is fairly urgent need of a nerf. That said, the reasons why it's like that are fairly well-understood internally - if you sit down and really look at the current T2 production tree (like we did when we last looked at moon minerals), you'll eventually see that it's really damn hard to solve this problem without extensive restructuring in a very messy manner. That said, we know we have to bite the bullet and make that mess at some point in the near future. (And yes, we were obviously aware that this was going to be a production bottleneck when we made the change, and no, it's not been anything like as bad as the doomsday predictions that were floating around at the time.)
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1508537&page=2#52
That is just so much of a cop out of an answer. I can appreciate that changing the T2 production requirements would be a mess to deal with. I can appreciate the devs not wanting to tinker with it.
On the other hand a temporary and extremely simple solution would be to increases the methods for which technetium can be produced. How about refining lowsec ores produces small amounts? Gee....could be a much needed buff to losec. Or, salvaging T2 ships allows reclamation of a small percentage of tech? Or, trace amounts produced from PI?
I mean how hard would that be? Not very in my opinion since it's an entry in a database loot table. So why hasn't this been done? Why hasn't this been considered? My guess? The tech problem is exactly how they want it to be. Now all we gotta do is guess why?
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Skydell
Caldari
Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2011.06.09 00:58:00 -
[224]
Edited by: Skydell on 09/06/2011 01:04:38
It's worth noting, every time CCP try and control something in game it turns to ****. Moon gold being the paramount control right now. CCP regulate it with an Iron boot and those who control it ingame, control EVE in game.
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Jaxx Mitchell
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:05:00 -
[225]
shove russians to separate server. they can bot and rmt there all they like. oh wait, who would they sell all the isk?
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Digital Messiah
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment
Drake Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:17:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Jaxx Mitchell
shove russians to separate server. they can bot and rmt there all they like. oh wait, who would they sell all the isk?
Honestly I don't think it would be such a bad idea. But it would certainly hinder their single shard server boasts.
Quote:
Don't Panic
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:23:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Jaxx Mitchell
shove russians to separate server. they can bot and rmt there all they like. oh wait, who would they sell all the isk?
You know, make a formal proposal, and you'll have my vote.
Separation of the EVE Universe is eventually inevitable anyway; and without the Russians cheating en masse in their (closed) alliances, and botting en masse from all the script kiddies they have, EVE would be a better place without them on the non-Russian server. Short of banning all of Russia, this would really solve a huge problem. |
Illwill Bill
Talu Shaya
Talu Shaya Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:31:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Jaxx Mitchell
shove russians to separate server. they can bot and rmt there all they like. oh wait, who would they sell all the isk?
The "Russians" really consist of quite a few nationalities. While many are from Russia and eastern Europe, there's also others.
So, where do we draw the line? Along the Iron curtain? If so, how do we decide which Germans are allowed to play on TQ? How do we deal with the Nordic countries? We basically speak the same language (apart from our Finnish and Icelandic brosefs but they're all awesome anyway), but Sweden is not a NATO member. Communists, no doubt!
Perhaps we should just give the Yanks their own server instead?
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Mr Funkadelic
x13
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:34:00 -
[229]
Lets split up the server that sounds like a good idea. So one for the Russians, one for the Scandinavian people, on for west and east Europa and one for US etc.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.09 11:00:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Jaxx Mitchell
shove russians to separate server. they can bot and rmt there all they like. oh wait, who would they sell all the isk?
You know, make a formal proposal, and you'll have my vote.
Separation of the EVE Universe is eventually inevitable anyway; and without the Russians cheating en masse in their (closed) alliances, and botting en masse from all the script kiddies they have, EVE would be a better place without them on the non-Russian server. Short of banning all of Russia, this would really solve a huge problem.
I have read some dumb comments in the last 8 years, but I think this might be the dumbest outthere.
Congrats +5 just for being very very dense, special olympics quality. I'd go into detail but honestly...
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A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Gibsie
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Posted - 2011.06.09 11:07:00 -
[231]
Wait ...
You don't have learned to speak/write Russian or Mandarin's Chinese ... YET ?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.09 11:08:00 -
[232]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 09/06/2011 11:08:17
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Congrats +5 just for being very very dense, special olympics quality. I'd go into detail but honestly...
You just keep on dreaming I'm the only one fed up with Russian cheaters/botters. Dense or no ('dense' is actually more valuable, didn't ya know?), I'd like to see them gone. If I had my way, all of Russia would be banned on the spot. Not exactly feasible, legally and all, but kicking them off the main EVE server to go frak up their own one? hell yeah!
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Vincent Audrid
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Posted - 2011.06.09 11:15:00 -
[233]
Eventualy they will fall, another corp will see a way to bring them down, even if it becomes the whole other side of the EVE community getting realy anoyed and then decide to take action against them.
Would be cool to see everyone else getting fed up and all flying to them. there Alliance vs the rest of tranquility, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that Jazz
If you would like to get in contact with me, send me a message in game. |
TImora Fosty
Solar Pride
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Posted - 2011.06.09 11:18:00 -
[234]
Edited by: TImora Fosty on 09/06/2011 11:18:42
Originally by: Slajov Zizek
XYNTA
damn you've made my day
XYNTA ITT
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Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.09 11:33:00 -
[235]
Blah blah blah Russians here, blah blah blah Americans there....English are ...humm where are they by the way?
All I see is humans on both sides but seems one side has more silly people and moaners than the other one.
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"You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
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oh comeon
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Posted - 2011.06.09 12:20:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Joss56
Blah blah blah Russians here, blah blah blah Americans there....English are ...humm where are they by the way?
All I see is humans on both sides but seems one side has more silly people and moaners than the other one.
and one has ALOT more botters and RMTers indeed
BUT
I wonder who is ruining the economy and pulling this game down more ?
I bet its not the moaners..
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Khmoud Hasjiz
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Posted - 2011.06.09 12:27:00 -
[237]
i for one like the situation, am a gatecamper in a low sec system towards a high sec hub and earn billions a week popping russian transporting their faction goods out of 0.0...
i for one prefer popping crab people instead of honest eu players
advise to all russian hating eve players, move to low sec bottleneck systems and become pirate alliances and simply let the russian macro all they want and claim their loot on the way to jita.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:29:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Khmoud Hasjiz
i for one like the situation, am a gatecamper in a low sec system towards a high sec hub and earn billions a week popping russian transporting their faction goods out of 0.0...
i for one prefer popping crab people instead of honest eu players
advise to all russian hating eve players, move to low sec bottleneck systems and become pirate alliances and simply let the russian macro all they want and claim their loot on the way to jita.
You know, gotta say, I like your attitude! :)
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XJennieX
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.09 15:58:00 -
[239]
i agree with making the own server for eastern block. for all the reasons that has allready been said.
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.06.09 16:17:00 -
[240]
Edited by: Sarmatiko on 09/06/2011 16:18:02
Originally by: XJennieX
i agree with making the own server for eastern block. for all the reasons that has allready been said.
So you also agreed that you are weakling that miserably failed in this game? When russians/chinese/aliens/zombies will leave server you will still suck under someone else feet.
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XJennieX
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.09 16:20:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Sarmatiko
Edited by: Sarmatiko on 09/06/2011 16:18:02
Originally by: XJennieX
i agree with making the own server for eastern block. for all the reasons that has allready been said.
So you also agreed that you are weakling that miserably failed in this game? When russians/chinese/aliens/zombies will leave server you will still suck under someone else feet.
yes. i dont have any difficulties admitting im not very good in this game. you on the otherhand must be the pinnacle of gaming evolution in this game. i raise my hat to you good sir.
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Riddick Liddell
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Posted - 2011.06.09 16:25:00 -
[242]
A Russian Server is Monday morning, quarter backing.
8 years later, "Peak EVE" has come and gone.
For all the RMT people, no matter where you come from I can say,
"SWG credits. 10 billion, $2.99"
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