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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2011.06.03 10:18:00 -
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ops an idiot, I have spent 40 days to get into a tengu, another 70+ for leadership skills....
thats nearly 1/3 of a year to get this ship, just to be unprobable with links...this game is all about dedication. I spent time to get this and so has a lot of other people.
It helps my gang out, I can help myself out, its good for sitting in a safe when running c5 sites with less than needed numbers....I also have skirmish warfare spec and siege spec 5, so now I can fit gang links on my BC's when flying with a gang and help.
Join the club or stfu.
unprobable was ALWAYS THERE, why should CCP change it now because people are utilizing it the way its supposed to be?
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Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.03 10:23:00 -
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@OP
Are you going to ask CCP to nerf linky alts making the snipe machariels (or other stuff alike) improbable too?
Just to make sure you understand the mach above is shield tanked. Sign/S str, c'mon you can do it.
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Akcyali
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Posted - 2011.06.03 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Akcyali on 03/06/2011 10:30:44
No nerfs because you cannot be unscannable and have dps+tank at the same time.
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.06.03 10:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Gibbo5771
ops an idiot, I have spent 40 days to get into a tengu, another 70+ for leadership skills....
Only idiot in this thread is you so far.
You talking about dedication? Ok, how about that - you need 170+ days to train perfect covert-ops scanner and you need to spend more than 2b for virtue set for what? Just to be totally unable to prob some noob who trained tengu in 40 days? What a nice piece of hypocrite crap we have here. 
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Chuc Morris
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Posted - 2011.06.03 10:48:00 -
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The only idiots I see is all the crykids about unscanable tengus.
You're incapable to mine your low sec belts and/or afraid to do it yourself, but you blow even a shuttle to feed your ****ing stupid e-peen.
You're incapable to run your lvl5 agents (about 2% low sec pop does?), however you cry about improbable tengus doing them, you can catch then with your well known undocking games, but it's too hard for idiots sure.
You don't have to do more than a few jumps everywhere in low sec to find plex, however all the idiot crykids are incapable to do them or afraid to do so.
Sure it's easyer to cry about improbable tengus than grow some balls and do the stuff yourself. What? I'm sure it's not the tengu who's going to shoot you if it sees you're already in that plex.
Do you necessarily need to probe everything in the game when you have tons of ways to catch some guy, because if you want you can.
You just want the thing easyer than already is, you don't want to have some work.
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.06.03 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmatiko on 03/06/2011 10:55:26
^^^sweet carebear tears) Dont cry about your hulk boy 
Anyway I'll just wait future whinefeast because nerf is inevitable http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509071&page=22#653
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.03 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Scarlet des Loupes on 03/06/2011 10:59:41
Originally by: Sarmatiko
^^^sweet carebear tears) Dont cry about your hulk boy
Anyway I'll just wait future whinefeast because nerf is inevitable
Yea they say a lot, we'll get bloodline changes, t3 frigates and customizable bars too.
The question is: in any forseeable future?
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Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.03 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmatiko
Edited by: Sarmatiko on 03/06/2011 10:55:26
^^^sweet carebear tears) Dont cry about your hulk boy
Anyway I'll just wait future whinefeast because nerf is inevitable http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509071&page=22#653
You make a good idiot, the loss is in high sec so what are you talking about?
But I do like your tears. Gime moar pliz 
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Allota VaISK
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Posted - 2011.06.03 11:20:00 -
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Main lives in nullsec next door to alot of lvl 4 Russian mission runners. Tengu is ofc their ship of choice, and while they cannot be probed out, their main vulnerability is when they have to travel 1-2 systems out, and invariably there is always a tengu kill on a killboard. If they are cloaky well... that makes their missions longer and after enough practise, its not so hard to decloak them...
I am personally undecided whether there should or should not be unprobable ships..
On the one hand yes you can make a great deal of ISK in the right low/null sec systems with an unprobable tengu, then on the other you are still at risk during travel periods to-and from the mission area. If someone is determined enough, they'll get you - it might take a week but isn't that part of the fun putting thought into catching illusive (and lucrative) prey?
What I am a bit negative about is gang boosting unprobable ships... but then what use is that when the boosted gang has been smashed to oblivion.
There are - as people have mentioned - alternative methods to getting a tackle on an unprobable ship out in space away from any celestial, but it requires alot of time and patience and lets be honest, target pilot's stupidity and laziness. I do believe that if you have invested the huge time required to obtain maximum probing skills with implants, there should not be anything you cannot probe down; there cannot be many pilots with that skill set but having made that investment vs the xx days to train an unprobable tengu, I'd probably be a bit bitter too.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.03 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kerppe Krulli
So the entire subject of this thread is about 1 ship setup, the tengu. All other ships can be killed but because they can't easy gank a mission runner tengu they cry nerf?
Yeah well, the Tengu in general is a bit of an unbalance where PVE is concerned.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.03 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 03/06/2011 11:31:49
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Originally by: Kerppe Krulli
So the entire subject of this thread is about 1 ship setup, the tengu. All other ships can be killed but because they can't easy gank a mission runner tengu they cry nerf?
Yeah well, the Tengu in general is a bit of an unbalance where PVE is concerned.
EVE is full with imbalances, illogicalities (is that a word?), unrealism, inconsistencies, silliness and such.
Don't nerf my Tengu!! 
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Storm Shield
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Posted - 2011.06.03 11:31:00 -
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Sounds to me that there is too much of an influx of players from that other MMOPRG (The one that sounds like HOW? and made by that company that Blows Cold) who's player base are so used to getting things handed to them on a silver platter, gift wrapped, every time they whine (I take it you are an ex player, as the head of your Avatar looks like a block of cheese*) instead of putting in some hard yards and maybe putting in a bit of effort to play the game properly. If someone chooses to sink their SP into Electronics to make your life harder, good luck to them. That means if you want to find them, you are going to NEED to train the skills needed to find them, and that is your main problem, other than having |33+ gun skills and no brains. Maybe investing some SP into something better than Level 1 Astrometrics, so that you can EFFECTIVELY find them might help. Until you do that, they will keep on laughing at you.
HAHAHAHAHA 
*Wonders if he has the brains to work out the reference....Probably not, I better give it to him or he'll ask for my comments to get nerfed into readable English, in words of no more than 2 syllables and 4 letters ...
YOU WANT SOME CHEESE WITH THAT WHINE???
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.06.03 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmatiko
^^^sweet carebear tears) Dont cry about your hulk boy
Sure it's a very hard way to feed KB, gank hulks in high sec.
So much work, you must need some rest days after all that work. I understand why you want tengu's nerfed now and I think I'm not the only one
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Simian LeSinge
SCUUURGE HEVY MISIL
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Posted - 2011.06.03 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dropbear
I'm confused.
An unprobable Tengu is fit in a pretty specific way, and has certain limitiations which, I would have thought, made it pretty useless for Level V missions.
Tell me what I'm missing here:
(All?*) Level V missions have energy neutralizing turrets that basically require you to either group up with logistics, or if solo, use a low/zero-cap tank - typically a passive shield buffer/recharge tank. This is why Nighthawks and Rattlesnakes (good passive shield tankers) are popular for V's.
* This may be the part I'm missing...
In order to be unscannable, a Tengu has to fit ECCM mods, and keep its signature low (because keeping your signature radius below a certain threshold is a crucial factor to being unscannable).
That means a passive shield tank is out, since you can't fit shield extenders (they boost your signature radius). So these Tengu are either active shield tanking (in missions that kill your capacitor?) or passive armor tanking (with like, zero DPS because hey, no Ballistic Control Units).
So what you're basically saying is that there are masses of Tengus out there, heavily gimped in terms of PvE optimization due to being unscannable, unable to passive shield tank...and they're not only somehow running Level V's, but apparently making a killing by doing them so efficiently?
Soloing L5 in an unprobeable tengu is not viable. With two accounts it is relatively simple with a pair of heavy missile tengu, one RR fit and one capless resist fit. The only real problem is cap use of ECCM, which means that for the capless resist tengu to be truly unprobeable (vs a perfect implanted prober) the pilot requires an HG talon set.
This is all beside the point, unprobeable T3 are far more commonly seen running L4s solo in npc null and lowsec (solo carriers are the usual L5 boat of choice in my experience). It is still entirely out of keeping with the risk/reward structure of Eve that it is possible to run 0.0/lowsec missions in a level of safety comparable to hisec.
Scan strength should be entirely decoupled from sensor strength. It is a nonsense mechanic. Also it would be funny just to troll the guy who recently bought a Gravimetric Backup Array II BPO for 32B. C'mon CCP, I know you like to troll.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.03 13:24:00 -
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Could you not just scan down the wrecks?
On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Redblade
Reikoku
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.03 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
BUT, it CAN be done. Hence my original statement about requiring a little bit more effort.
Sure we can go back to busting safes that way, the system at place now was introduced after the removal of a reasonable way to find random safe spots with directional scanner aka dual MWD interceptors, so as soon as we get those back i see no problem with you argument.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.03 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Skellington on 03/06/2011 13:55:27
Originally by: Chuc Morris
The only idiots I see is all the crykids about unscanable tengus.
You're incapable to mine your low sec belts and/or afraid to do it yourself, but you blow even a shuttle to feed your ****ing stupid e-peen.
You're incapable to run your lvl5 agents (about 2% low sec pop does?), however you cry about improbable tengus doing them, you can catch then with your well known undocking games, but it's too hard for idiots sure.
You don't have to do more than a few jumps everywhere in low sec to find plex, however all the idiot crykids are incapable to do them or afraid to do so.
Sure it's easyer to cry about improbable tengus than grow some balls and do the stuff yourself. What? I'm sure it's not the tengu who's going to shoot you if it sees you're already in that plex.
Do you necessarily need to probe everything in the game when you have tons of ways to catch some guy, because if you want you can.
You just want the thing easyer than already is, you don't want to have some work.
The more EVE becomes accessible and mainstream, the more it will attract WoW Kiddies from a dumbed down gaming industry, we now have the entitled ADHD kiddies with no imagination that want it dumbed down so they can have instant gratification and everything handed to them.
It also seems evident that CCP is starting to dumb it down to compensate for this. How far will they go? Only time will tell.
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Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.03 13:59:00 -
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I'm confused.... pirates have tears?
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:01:00 -
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After paying the bill for one of these damned things, you've earned the right to not have bottom feeders crashing your missions at every opportunity.
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fgft Athonille
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:06:00 -
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this isn't a game of instances, remove unprobable ships
it was an unintended consquence and should be removed.
yes i ran missions in lowsec for year, the only missions i did run. well before t3s. never died.
Originally by: Skippermonkey
keep trying and you can be an hero just like fgft Athonille
Originally by: Singeaboot Raj
Tbh i am beginning to see the win - it's the haircut, makes people take notice.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Maverick2011
I'm confused.... pirates have tears?
carepiratebears do.
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Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Maverick2011
I'm confused.... pirates have tears?
carepiratebears do.
lol awesome signature
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: VaL Iscariot
my tear cup hath overfloweth.
Catch him on gate.
Cloakey freak you cry.
Catch him on station.
Insta undock.
In a mission.
Can't scan him. :cry:
Sounds like the person you're chasing is being pretty damn smart about what they're doing. It also sounds like this Tengu pilot is used to living in low sec, where as you sound like a whiny *****. Go join some carebear high sec war dec corp and stop dumbing up my low sec.
TL;DR
Please, by all means, cry more.
LOL
Good Post, I luv it...
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5nake pliskan
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:27:00 -
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sigh
you idiots make it sound like there's no drawback to rigging an unscannable SC whatsoever
its a gimp boat, sure you have peace and quiet, but it takes twice as long to mission and you are farkin fresh bait when traveling.
The unprobable is a specific fit and its about crap for much of anything else, how about not worrying about it so much and scanning down something else, last time I checked lokis and tengus were not the only mission boats out there.
or is this about your inability to pad your killboard with t3 mission fit kills?
is this one of those "waaah, I can't kill anyone in PVP so I need to be able to gank mission boats, and they must have to be T3!!!11!!" sort of things?
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Liang Nuren
- An unscannable Tengu is capable of having a MWD, a cloak, 750+ DPS out to 110km, good to great damage projection, a 350+ DPS omnitank, a 4 second align time, and go almost 2km/s.
Uhm... all at the same time? If so, can you post that fit?
Yes, all at the same time. I'll evemail it to you. 
EVE Mail it to me and I'll send you 50 Million ISK...
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Ch'ianna
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:42:00 -
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Learn to use directional, plus a dramiel.
Get some patience. Kill plenty of Tengu's sat thinking they are 'safe'.
Win.
We've done it, so no 'It cant be done that way, it's too hard...waaah! waah!' responses please.
Kthxbye.
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:48:00 -
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Been seeing alot less tengus running lowsec missions, thats not pirates making buck, after the highsec income boost.
But yeah, switch subsys, travel gates, refit for unprobable and about 650-700 dps tengu for the missioning. Works a charm. Sad I didnt train it while the extra lp in lowsec was worth anything.
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Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Joss56
Are you going to ask CCP to nerf linky alts making the snipe machariels (or other stuff alike) improbable too?
Just to make sure you understand the mach above is shield tanked. Sign/S str, c'mon you can do it.
Fit please!
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:21:00 -
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Being totally unprobable while being able to do normal activities and affect your surroundings is just bad game design. If you want total immunity, fit a cloak on your ship and use it. The balance is that you can't do anything while cloaked.
Being unprobable by a non-specialized probing ship is fine. Fitting your ship to be hard to be probed out will provide increased security, but it shouldn't provide immunity to probing. When a fully skilled and implanted pilot with a probing ship that is fully rigged and using faction probes and launchers can't scan you down, that is just broken and I can't see any good reason why the ability is in the game in the first place.
PS. Also @ people saying: "I paid lots of iskies and trained long for it, so I deserve my immunity". Balancing is not don by cost alone and the scanner propably invested just as much if not more, so surely he deserves to be able to probe you down just as much as you deserve to be immune from him.
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Solli Crow
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:24:00 -
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There is a lot of flaming going around this topic. So, I guess I will stick in my five cents as well.
First of all, making tengu unscannable is fairly easy. Go to battleclinic's fits page and u can find it very quickly. Secondly, I'm seeing dozens of unscannable tengus around Otsasai, Hakonen, Nalvula (quite a few level 5 agents there) but they don't fly alone. They work in group with their alts. The most popular combination is scimitar and tengu. Scimitar has a very low sig radius and it can't only shield boost tengu but also use remote eccm on tengu, which gives tengu opportunity to fit more gank.So, it's easy to make this combination to deliver good dps and yet, stay undetectable for probes!!! I saw other combinations with 3-4 tengus and two logics ships. Completely unscannable!
Funny, thing u get into those mentioned above systems at any time in eve and u will get on scan those tengus but u will never gonna find them with your probes.
Is it a problem though? I think yes. How do other people survive in low sec which is chaotic place by definition?
1) They learn to use cloak, onboard scanner, instant warp spots, deep safe spots, your mates to scout the gates.
2) You use diplomacy to negotiate blue standings with other corporations living in the same system.
3) U create mutual intel channels;
All this stuff takes time, effort, energy. That what makes you feel at home.
Now, what about unscannable ships that constantly run missions. What do u really need to do? Heh, read the post somewhere online that it is possible to create unscannable ship, train for it and just run missions day after day. You are absolutely safe. Just activate your remote eccm modules and fly safe!
So, I'm asking u CCP what was the point of moving all level 5 into low sec??? Really? Well, yeah u sacrifice a bit of gank but u still have a piece of mind that nobody can find u.
Running level 5 missions is part of my pirate life as well. But my ships are 100% scannable. How do I protect myself against attacks. I drop the container near warp in point to uncloak cloaky enemy and see how far away I'm from warp in spot. I watch d-scan all the time, I watch local all the time. I'm always alert! and that's how low sec supposed to be. Getting 100K LP within 15-20 minutes should be dangerous !!! and shouldn't feel like vacation !!!
Every ship should stay vulnerable to some degree to various game mechanics. I don't see why tengu should be an exception.
100% unscannable is imbalance. Therefor, should be fixed! Ships that stay unscannable should be recons, blackops not regular pve tengu !!!
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