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Zarkonas	Posted - 2011.06.02 21:53:00 - [1] One thing when a player masterfully avoids attacks by creating instant warp spots, caring covert ops subsystem to get through the gate camp. Another thing when player just put 3 ECCMs to be completely unscannable. I'm absolutely shocked how many unscannable ships are flying around. Low sec means danger in its definition. There is a reason for onboard scanner and probe filter. You feel safe in high sec, in low sec u need to be alert when doing missions. Nerf it CCP, You drive plex prices up quite well, balance the freaking game so we can balance isk/lp ratio!!! LP shop with so many unscannable people running level 5 is becoming worthless !!! Plus being 100% unscannable is just wrong!!!
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.02 21:55:00 - [2] Edited by: Miilla on 02/06/2011 21:57:01 Originally by: Zarkonas One thing when a player masterfully avoids attacks by creating instant warp spots, caring covert ops subsystem to get through the gate camp. Another thing when player just put 3 ECCMs to be completely unscannable. I'm absolutely shocked how many unscannable ships are flying around. Low sec means danger in its definition. There is a reason for onboard scanner and probe filter. You feel safe in high sec, in low sec u need to be alert when doing missions. Nerf it CCP, You drive plex prices up quite well, balance the freaking game so we can balance isk/lp ratio!!! LP shop with so many unscannable people running level 5 is becoming worthless !!! Plus being 100% unscannable is just wrong!!! Penalty: Using more than one type of this module or similar modules that affect the same attribute on the ship will be penalized. They get stack penelties. 1st mod: c(1) = 100,000% effectiveness 2nd mod: c(2) = 86,9119842% 3rd mod: c(3) = 57,1037996% 4th mod: c(4) = 28,2469117% 5th mod: c(5) = 10,5988834% 6th mod: c(6) = 2,9989473% 7th mod: c(7) = 0,5134081% 8th mod: c(8) = 0,2106917% You can scan them down, just takes more effort, which you don't seem to want to do. Have you tried drinking Quafe Zero? Congratulations, capsuleer! You have been selected to receive a free limited batch of Quafe Zero, the performance drink with the powers of a booster! Enjoy the benefits of increased reflexes with none of the drawbacks! Benefits: +5% Speed, +5% Scan Resolution. Duration: 1 hour. Attached Ad Copy As a capsuleer, you are immortal. You have all eternity to seize your destiny. ShouldnÆt you have a soft drink that can perform as well as you? Quafe thinks so. ThatÆs why weÆve developed Quafe Zero. Using the latest in cutting edge biotechnology, our industry-leading scientists have reverse-engineered Quafe Zero from compounds found only in Sleeper vessels. Quafe Zero is fortified with a proprietary mix of performance enhancers, oxidizers, and natural fruit juices designed to push your abilities to the limit. The secret is in our patented fulleroferrocene nanite delivery system, which attaches our exclusive pro-capsuleer formula directly to the neurons you want, not the ones you donÆt. The result is an immediate and direct boost to your performance, with Zero drawbacks! Quafe Zero is a product of the Quafe Company. Quafe does not condone the use of boosters or other illicit substances. The Quafe Company disavows responsibility for any side effects caused by consuming Sleeper technology. Warning: Quafe Zero is designed for capsuleer use only. Side effects experienced by non-capsuleers include but are not limited to dizziness, blindness, nausea, internal hemorrhaging, IBS, sleepwalking, amnesia, sexual deviancy, vision changes, acute epidermal sloughing, partial or total loss of motor control, and minor skin rash. Quafe Zero is manufactured in the Phoenix constellation. Quafe Zero: Multiply your eternity by Zero!
Command 00	Posted - 2011.06.02 21:59:00 - [3] Originally by: Zarkonas One thing when a player masterfully avoids attacks by creating instant warp spots, caring covert ops subsystem to get through the gate camp. Another thing when player just put 3 ECCMs to be completely unscannable. I'm absolutely shocked how many unscannable ships are flying around. Low sec means danger in its definition. There is a reason for onboard scanner and probe filter. You feel safe in high sec, in low sec u need to be alert when doing missions. Nerf it CCP, You drive plex prices up quite well, balance the freaking game so we can balance isk/lp ratio!!! LP shop with so many unscannable people running level 5 is becoming worthless !!! Plus being 100% unscannable is just wrong!!! Ohh Shut Up
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:01:00 - [4] Originally by: Command 00 Originally by: Zarkonas One thing when a player masterfully avoids attacks by creating instant warp spots, caring covert ops subsystem to get through the gate camp. Another thing when player just put 3 ECCMs to be completely unscannable. I'm absolutely shocked how many unscannable ships are flying around. Low sec means danger in its definition. There is a reason for onboard scanner and probe filter. You feel safe in high sec, in low sec u need to be alert when doing missions. Nerf it CCP, You drive plex prices up quite well, balance the freaking game so we can balance isk/lp ratio!!! LP shop with so many unscannable people running level 5 is becoming worthless !!! Plus being 100% unscannable is just wrong!!! Ohh Shut Up My version was better :)
Zarkonas	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:02:00 - [5] haha here comes the smart guy, so guess what I have maxed out skills pimped out ship and full set of imps in my head to boost my scanning ability. I'm freaking good at scanning but I don't come near to get a warp point on unscannable tengu. So move on this post is not for u
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:03:00 - [6] Originally by: Miilla You can scan them down, just takes more effort, which you don't seem to want to do. You are wrong. ~~~
Swynet	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:04:00 - [7] Free tears for all. C'mon guys fill your cups
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:05:00 - [8] Edited by: Miilla on 02/06/2011 22:05:50 Originally by: Zarkonas haha here comes the smart guy, so guess what I have maxed out skills pimped out ship and full set of imps in my head to boost my scanning ability. I'm freaking good at scanning but I don't come near to get a warp point on unscannable tengu. So move on this post is not for u Directional? have you tried tweaking the NUMBERS on the DIRECTIONAL to narrow down the direction and distance? Tried a fleet using the directional to triangulate?
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Command 00 Originally by: Zarkonas One thing when a player masterfully avoids attacks by creating instant warp spots, caring covert ops subsystem to get through the gate camp. Another thing when player just put 3 ECCMs to be completely unscannable. I'm absolutely shocked how many unscannable ships are flying around. Low sec means danger in its definition. There is a reason for onboard scanner and probe filter. You feel safe in high sec, in low sec u need to be alert when doing missions. Nerf it CCP, You drive plex prices up quite well, balance the freaking game so we can balance isk/lp ratio!!! LP shop with so many unscannable people running level 5 is becoming worthless !!! Plus being 100% unscannable is just wrong!!! Ohh Shut Up My version was better :) your version was an idiot you can't scan down unscannable ships, even if you try really really hard. The math does not allow it. _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like.
Azelor Delaria Caldari Infinite Entropy	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:05:00 - [10] Pirates: Nerf unscannable T3s so we can get some juicy kills in low sec! CCP: Okay. Two months later, no sexy ships to be killed, so pirates complain again because all they get are Drakes. *** * * *** "No OPLAN ever survives first contact with the enemy."

Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:09:00 - [11] Pirate tears. Truly exquisite.. ____________ Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
Nemo deBlanc	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Azelor Delaria Pirates: Nerf unscannable T3s so we can get some juicy kills in low sec! CCP: Okay. Two months later, no sexy ships to be killed, so pirates complain again because all they get are Drakes. This. A million times, this. They'll probably also complain about the rising cost of faction mods at the same time.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Zarkonas haha here comes the smart guy, so guess what I have maxed out skills pimped out ship and full set of imps in my head to boost my scanning ability. I'm freaking good at scanning but I don't come near to get a warp point on unscannable tengu. So move on this post is not for u Directional? have you tried tweaking the NUMBERS on the DIRECTIONAL to narrow down the direction and distance? Tried a fleet using the directional to triangulate? Getting onto the same grid without using probes is an extremely slow process, involving repeated bookmarking when in warp, and is very difficult at the best of times. The target is likely to complete their mission before you can reach them, and if they're checking their own directional scanner they'll have plenty of warning that you're approaching. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Zarkonas haha here comes the smart guy, so guess what I have maxed out skills pimped out ship and full set of imps in my head to boost my scanning ability. I'm freaking good at scanning but I don't come near to get a warp point on unscannable tengu. So move on this post is not for u Directional? have you tried tweaking the NUMBERS on the DIRECTIONAL to narrow down the direction and distance? Tried a fleet using the directional to triangulate? Getting onto the same grid without using probes is an extremely slow process, involving repeated bookmarking when in warp, and is very difficult at the best of times. The target is likely to complete their mission before you can reach them, and if they're checking their own directional scanner they'll have plenty of warning that you're approaching. BUT, it CAN be done. Hence my original statement about requiring a little bit more effort.
Lydia Rhyme	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:15:00 - [15] The point is I'm running level 5 too, but I'm running them with two perfectly scannable ships. So anyone who would like to get me probed out, more than welcome to do it. That's why I'm watching local, and use my onboard scanner. What was the real point of moving all level fives into low sec? )) come on!!! take a guess? making it harder to run. getting 100K lp should be hard. with unscannable tengus pffff... piece of cake. U never worry about anything. Why did they nerf falcons? to be freaking able to kill them. Sitting at 200km from the target is absolutely safe. So why I can't probe out ship that boost the fleet ? unscannable ships is a problem and I don't see it being defferent from outlined above. they should be nerfed.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:16:00 - [16] Edited by: Miilla on 02/06/2011 22:17:08 Originally by: Lydia Rhyme The point is I'm running level 5 too, but I'm running them with two perfectly scannable ships. So anyone who would like to get me probed out, more than welcome to do it. That's why I'm watching local, and use my onboard scanner. What was the real point of moving all level fives into low sec? )) come on!!! take a guess? making it harder to run. getting 100K lp should be hard. with unscannable tengus pffff... piece of cake. U never worry about anything. Why did they nerf falcons? to be freaking able to kill them. Sitting at 200km from the target is absolutely safe. So why I can't probe out ship that boost the fleet ? unscannable ships is a problem and I don't see it being defferent from outlined above. they should be nerfed. There ish no pleashing you lot, If I sit there in my cloaked Cheetah, you cry If I sit in my uncloaked ECCM Cheetah, you cry If I sit in my Tengu, you cry Hell if I enter your nullsec system, you cry Then one day you come to Rens 0.8 highsec, and you beat your chest how awesome you are and we should all go to nullsec.
Lydia Rhyme	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:17:00 - [17] Miila u just an idiot, getting in the same grid is a bit different from probing. Please, get out of this discussion u are not putting anything positive to it. Troll
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:19:00 - [18] You can also make an unscannable frig and park it in a 0.0 botting system. Go AFK without the need of a cloak. Then if local ever goes away, the bots will still get scared and POS up.
Sealiah Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:21:00 - [19] Wait... You'r complaining that there are some quite big and expensive fish in the fish tank who are smarter than others and just WIN and manage not only to do their job, but also avoid getting eaten? It looks just like the afk-cloakers whines, just now it's about a different thing. EVERYTHING in eve is scannable if it's a ship, unless it's got an active cloak. Move to 0.0 dude and face true uncatchable enemies who are invisible and undetectable. Besides, why do you cry? Just catch him on a gate or when he's undocking/docking.
Lydia Rhyme	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:32:00 - [20] romanian-legion guy if u ever scan an unscannable tengu, I will give u my proteus. Contact me in game and come to Otsasai, we have plenty of unscanable ships there. now regarding your ******ed comment about gate. Did u notice that t3 can actually fit a covert ops subsystem oh and do u know also that combining mwd and cloak gives u opportunity to warp off almost instantly, no chance to catch u. but covert ops is meant to be that way. now being unscannable is bit wrong. Fellas give me some good arguments. Trolling wastes our time!

Hauling Hal	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:42:00 - [21] Edited by: Hauling Hal on 02/06/2011 22:44:11 This guy wasn't unscannable, but he was killed at a safe spot and we didn't use any probes to get him. Admittedly it took over an hour, but using the same technique you can find 'unscannable' ships. http://bops.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9625810
VaL Iscariot Caldari Natural Selection.	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:46:00 - [22] my tear cup hath overfloweth. Catch him on gate. Cloakey freak you cry. Catch him on station. Insta undock. In a mission. Can't scan him. :cry: Sounds like the person you're chasing is being pretty damn smart about what they're doing. It also sounds like this Tengu pilot is used to living in low sec, where as you sound like a whiny *****. Go join some carebear high sec war dec corp and stop dumbing up my low sec. TL;DR Please, by all means, cry more.
Hauling Hal	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Lydia Rhyme romanian-legion guy if u ever scan an unscannable tengu, I will give u my proteus. Contact me in game and come to Otsasai, we have plenty of unscanable ships there. now regarding your ******ed comment about gate. Did u notice that t3 can actually fit a covert ops subsystem oh and do u know also that combining mwd and cloak gives u opportunity to warp off almost instantly, no chance to catch u. but covert ops is meant to be that way. now being unscannable is bit wrong. Fellas give me some good arguments. Trolling wastes our time! You owe him a Proteus. Before probes were in the game ships were scanned down using D-Scan. It takes time, but it can be done.
Lydia Rhyme	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:49:00 - [24] oh jesus d-scan d-scan blah blah blah, topic is about probes probes probes, I can't believe how many stupid people out there. And one more comment: cloaking, instant warp all good stuff... so shove your comments up your butt
Lydia Rhyme	Posted - 2011.06.02 22:53:00 - [25] your d scan is useless against unscannable mission tengu. haveing a mission on a strait line between gates stations belts is highly unlikely. they still keep pointing it out. unbelievable
VaL Iscariot Caldari Natural Selection.	Posted - 2011.06.02 23:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Lydia Rhyme your d scan is useless against unscannable mission tengu. haveing a mission on a strait line between gates stations belts is highly unlikely. they still keep pointing it out. unbelievable HAHAHA OH THE TEARS!! MORE I SAY!! MOOOOOOAAAARRR
Lydia Rhyme	Posted - 2011.06.02 23:11:00 - [27] nobody is crying nerfing is a suggestion: whether u like it or not. Give me a very good reason for not doing it. So far I don't see any. you are making posts that don't really relate to problem. I 'm not complaining about instant warp spots or cloak and yet for some reason u makeing some conclusions. shrug

CCP Dropbear	Posted - 2011.06.02 23:17:00 - [28] I'm confused. An unprobable Tengu is fit in a pretty specific way, and has certain limitiations which, I would have thought, made it pretty useless for Level V missions. Tell me what I'm missing here: (All?) Level V missions have energy neutralizing turrets that basically require you to either group up with logistics, or if solo, use a low/zero-cap tank - typically a passive shield buffer/recharge tank. This is why Nighthawks and Rattlesnakes (good passive shield tankers) are popular for V's. This may be the part I'm missing... In order to be unscannable, a Tengu has to fit ECCM mods, and keep its signature low (because keeping your signature radius below a certain threshold is a crucial factor to being unscannable). That means a passive shield tank is out, since you can't fit shield extenders (they boost your signature radius). So these Tengu are either active shield tanking (in missions that kill your capacitor?) or passive armor tanking (with like, zero DPS because hey, no Ballistic Control Units). So what you're basically saying is that there are masses of Tengus out there, heavily gimped in terms of PvE optimization due to being unscannable, unable to passive shield tank...and they're not only somehow running Level V's, but apparently making a killing by doing them so efficiently?

Malak Alraheem	Posted - 2011.06.02 23:23:00 - [29] ^Win
Asurymen	Posted - 2011.06.02 23:25:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Dropbear I'm confused. An unprobable Tengu is fit in a pretty specific way, and has certain limitiations which, I would have thought, made it pretty useless for Level V missions. Tell me what I'm missing here: (All?) Level V missions have energy neutralizing turrets that basically require you to either group up with logistics, or if solo, use a low/zero-cap tank - typically a passive shield buffer/recharge tank. This is why Nighthawks and Rattlesnakes (good passive shield tankers) are popular for V's. This may be the part I'm missing... In order to be unscannable, a Tengu has to fit ECCM mods, and keep its signature low (because keeping your signature radius below a certain threshold is a crucial factor to being unscannable). That means a passive shield tank is out, since you can't fit shield extenders (they boost your signature radius). So these Tengu are either active shield tanking (in missions that kill your capacitor?) or passive armor tanking (with like, zero DPS because hey, no Ballistic Control Units). So what you're basically saying is that there are masses of Tengus out there, heavily gimped in terms of PvE optimization due to being unscannable, unable to passive shield tank...and they're not only somehow running Level V's, but apparently making a killing by doing them so efficiently? Dropbear just pwned you with logic. Suck it!



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BUT, it CAN be done. Hence my original statement about requiring a little bit more effort.