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Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:10:00 - [1] CCP, I've been playing Eve Online since 2007 and absolutely love your game. It's a wonderful Science Fiction MMO and I can't wait to see where your vision takes us in the future. However, I have an extremely serious problem and so do many others if you read the forums a bit. First of all, I built a new system anticipating Incarna. Specifications posted below. Windows7 x64 4GB RAM nVidia EVGA GTX 460 Phenom II X4 940 QC B/E It's not a bad system. Air cooled. Case has 12 fans in it. Decent heat-sink to boot (Noctua). Should handle Eve Online Incarna pretty well right? WRONG. Before Incarna, I was getting roughly 60 FPS undocked and average a CPU temp of around 38C-45C during engagements with all effects on and the best graphics. Even more FPS and less CPU overload if I had everything turned to the lowest settings & effects completely turned off. Now let's talk about Incarna. With max graphics turned on, I dropped down to around 30FPS in QC and my CPU overhead went through the roof. My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C. My GPU sounded like a Ferarri during that period. Ok, whatever. I didn't load station enviroment and turned all settings back to extremely low. Undocked. CPU OVERHEAD INCREASED 6x from what it used to be. Sitting UNDOCKED with no effects and low graphics =58% CPU load wtf? I was idling at 53C on my CPU and 60FPS. CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. What the hell happened?
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:14:00 - [2] Oh and by the way ... why only Minmatar QC? You have been touting CQ heavily and yet we only get a single variant? The heck?
OverlordY	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:15:00 - [3] Edited by: OverlordY on 22/06/2011 02:16:51 I cant say iv noticed any temperature increases with this patch. Im running AMD 955 black with a GTX 560 TI. No increases in overall temps at all.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:16:00 - [4] Did you compare between Pre-Incarna and Post-Incarna? Compare CPU load, etc?
Fix Lag	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:16:00 - [5] My computer straight-up crashed the first time I tried to load CQ. Fix Lag!
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:17:00 - [6] This is why I tell people not to buy AMD. SC version of your card, Win 7x64, 4GB RAM, i7 870 Quad Core running 1920x1080 at 60 FPS in CQ. ~55c
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Fix Lag My computer straight-up crashed the first time I tried to load CQ. That's another issue entirely. Eve keeps crashing. That's a software issue though. This issue is far more serious as it can potentially destroy thousands of dollars in hardware.
OverlordY	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:20:00 - [8] oh an intel fanboy, be gone.
Morgenholt Blue RED.Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Solomon XI CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. This is not CCP's fault. This is your own fault for not having sufficient cooling in your PC.
Jak Silverheart Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:22:00 - [10] It's not his computer it's EVE. They messed something up, and did so badly there are thread upon threads about how poor the performance of the in station stuff is. Originally by: Scordite Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?

Reft Ar'en	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:23:00 - [11] 6GB RAM Phenom II x4 @ 3.4GHz 9800 GT 1gb - Running @ 55 FPS, temps normal, fans normal, everything normal. CPU load.... Normal. GPU load, less then Crysis, less then Modern Warfare, less then ANNO. What da problem is?
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:24:00 - [12] Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 02:25:20 Originally by: Morgenholt Blue Originally by: Solomon XI CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. This is not CCP's fault. This is your own fault for not having sufficient cooling in your PC. And you sir ... are an absolute idiot. Read the original post and you'll see that I DO IN FACT have proper cooling. 12 case fans. Noctua heatsink (which is comparable to liquid almost). It is NOT an issue on my end. My system has plenty of cooling. My heatsink is also properly mounted. I'm not an idiot.
Ejit Amarr STD contractors	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:25:00 - [13] Originally by: OverlordY I cant say iv noticed any temperature increases with this patch. CCP debunker? I'm running quad 9600 Phenom black edition 4gb of 1066 ram ATI HD 4870 1gb per core gfx And I'm having similar issues. Ppl are saying, Oh it's your hardware. Well this can't be a coincidence. And those saying that bad software doesn't adversely your hardware are just plain wrong. There is something wrong with this patch, besides CQ being fail. Solution: Roll back to QR, give us more ships instead and fix EVE.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:29:00 - [14] Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 02:29:02 These are problems multiple people are experiencing and some CPU's, GPU's, and even Motherboards have already been lost! CCP PAY ATTENTION!
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:33:00 - [15] This thread is staying on the first page until a Developer replies. I'll bump it from now till' eternity.
E Luminus Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:35:00 - [16] I agree with the Op. I'm running an Nvidia 470GTX and before Incarna, GPU temp and fan noise were nominal. Now, when docked in station temp has risen to 75C and fan speed (and noise) is at MAX (like having a Cessna prop engined plane in the room).
Karsa Egivand Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:35:00 - [17] I havent seen any problem. I suspect that there is an issue with some configs, and effected people rushed to this forum. Still, its probably not that many people. I asked around in game and all people were like "wha? everything is fine".
Ejit Amarr STD contractors	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:35:00 - [18] I think they're busy drafting a form you can submit to claim compensation after EVE has killed everyone's hardware.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:36:00 - [19] I want a Developer to chime in. I'm not going away.
riverini Gallente Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:39:00 - [20] Originally by: E Luminus I agree with the Op. I'm running an Nvidia 470GTX and before Incarna, GPU temp and fan noise were nominal. Now, when docked in station temp has risen to 75C and fan speed (and noise) is at MAX (like having a Cessna prop engined plane in the room). where u playing angry birds? the Nvidia 470 is perfectly normal to double as a house heater, it's made to run that way, google it Nvidia GTX 470, i7 950, 8GB DDR3 ram, 5 Harddrives. all running as intended. R

Darwin Edison	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Reft Ar'en 6GB RAM Phenom II x4 @ 3.4GHz 9800 GT 1gb - Running @ 55 FPS, temps normal, fans normal, everything normal. CPU load.... Normal. GPU load, less then Crysis, less then Modern Warfare, less then ANNO. What da problem is? I have the same processor (the 965) but am having the same problem as the original poster. No problems on the GPU or FPS front, but with Load Station Environment checked, my temp jumped to 64/65 inside of a half hour with two instances of the client. With them unchecked, my temp hasn't gone above 44.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:41:00 - [22] /me throws a rock at CCP. Developers. Pay. Attention.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:46:00 - [23] Back to the top of the page.
Mercof Mercy	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:48:00 - [24] Good luck getting any sort of reply Solomon. CCP stopped listening to its customers long before this patch came out. As fas as any sort of compensation for those who have destroyed hardware.... lol. Good luck with that.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:49:00 - [25] I have no life. I will fill up 200 pages with bumps until I receive a developer's attention on this subject.
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:52:00 - [26] Originally by: OverlordY oh an intel fanboy, be gone. I just compared a 2.93 GHz Intel Quad Core with a 3GHz AMD Quad Core, and basically the same system spec, showing more than twice the performance. I've played both sides, and used AMD for years before giving up and moving to Intel. I've never been a fanboy, and never will be. The fact is AMD is an undernourished, malformed brick of a CPU that gets no performance whatsoever until you OC the the Northbridge to nearly 2500MHz. I've pushed 2.2GHz on my AMD Northbridge on with a Crosshair II Formula, 3.1GHz OC on the CPU, 4 GB 1066MHz memory, and a 260 GTX and found it was the only way to unlock performance with it, while practically needing to put my NB on ice. All that, and I still pulled less performance than a previous generation Intel with basically the same specs and a lower clock. Trust me; AMD bites. You'll never see anywhere near the stock performance you'll get out of a similar clocked Intel. They haven't even dropped die sizes yet. AMD was a massive disappointment to me. I'm just glad I made the change to Intel, and forgot the BS about them being a pseudo monopoly, or at least decided it wasn't worth having an issue with it, if it meant dragging my arse through hot lead pellets every time I turned on my PC. Only a fanboy would ignore all that in favor of a sluggish CPU.
E Luminus Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:57:00 - [27] Originally by: riverini Originally by: E Luminus I agree with the Op. I'm running an Nvidia 470GTX and before Incarna, GPU temp and fan noise were nominal. Now, when docked in station temp has risen to 75C and fan speed (and noise) is at MAX (like having a Cessna prop engined plane in the room). where u playing angry birds? the Nvidia 470 is perfectly normal to double as a house heater, it's made to run that way, google it Nvidia GTX 470, i7 950, 8GB DDR3 ram, 5 Harddrives. all running as intended. R Yes I know that and can verify that it does double as a heater playing graphic intense games. However, Eve never really made it work so hard before. The Station isn't exactly a DX11, feature rich environment.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:58:00 - [28] Let's leave the Intel.vs.AMD politics out of this thread, alright? CCP PAY ATTENTION.
Kiyl	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:00:00 - [29] So, I dont run on the best setup by any means. I just have a stock standard Dell Inspiron 1594 (LOL). Anyway, I came home tonight, poured myself a drink, and logged on thinking "YA, Incarna, ive been waiting SSSOOOOO LONG for this!". So, I logged on TQ and started checking CQ out. After about 15 minutes of looking at everything I noticed my recently poured drink that I had set next to my exhaust fan, was now bubbling. I turned off the load station environment and undocked/redocked to set it right. When I docked I was extremely suprised, when, instead of the normal station screen, I was now presented with what looked to be a screenshot of the corner of my room in CQ. Extremely Dissapointed. Besides that, my hand was nearly scorched from the progressively building heat on my motherboard. So, I shut EVE down, put on my angry face, and came to the forums to say: CCP, I R DISSAPOINT.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Solomon XI I have no life. I will fill up 200 pages with bumps until I receive a developer's attention on this subject. Helping CCP along with fail-cascading themselves is more fun then the game currently. It's kinda like old 0.0 before they reset the game.



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