Originally by: Solomon XI

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I dunno why the framerate drops so much. =/

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Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha

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I have a really crappy store bought computer (and its even compact so its about 1/3 the size of your average box) and all Ive had done to it is to add an AMD Athlon 7750 Dual Core Processor (2.70 GHz) and I know almost nothing about computers except that I like to use them... But Ive had zero trouble with Incarna either in or out or the CQ... Comp runs the same as its always done

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Originally by: OMGWTFResearch

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Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha

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I have a really crappy store bought computer (and its even compact so its about 1/3 the size of your average box) and all Ive had done to it is to add an AMD Athlon 7750 Dual Core Processor (2.70 GHz) and I know almost nothing about computers except that I like to use them... But Ive had zero trouble with Incarna either in or out or the CQ... Comp runs the same as its always done

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A bit off topic but I am a big fan of the 7750 Kuma series from AMD back then that was some SERIOUS value for the money to get into some good gaming. Just make sure your MOSFETS can handle 95W

Have you used HWmonitor to check temps by chance? Just curious!

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Originally by: Neo Jaguar

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heh... I just think its interesting that my rig has 700 fps out in space running 3 clients with all maxxed and 45-50 when docked.. :P btw, GPU working at 35% out in space / 100% docked...

i5 2500k oc to 5.0ghz
8gb ddr 3 working at 2050mhz
ATI HD 6970 2gb
Asus p67 Sabertooth
Corsair H70 water series

I`m not having any issues with temp or such, but its interesting to see how the game changes when i`m trying to idle.. :(

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Originally by: Cadela Fria

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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/06/2011 14:24:56
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/06/2011 14:23:14

Originally by: Constantine Saberinni

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Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 23/06/2011 09:51:05
Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 23/06/2011 09:33:50
Loki et al,

Im sorry but I find your argument of the software isnt an issue and that its our cooling thats inadequate more than a little condescending and patronising.

Whilst the logic is correct if (in my case) my standard and unmodded GTX 460 is being pushed to the point of thermal shutdown then clearly its cooling is inadequate but should we really expect a relatively small environment and one avator to push a card to this limit?

Yes, the previous poster is correct in saying that code cant damage hardware in itself but if the volume and complexity of that code thats dumped on the GPU pushes it so hard that it shuts down this does have the potential to cause problems. You would hope that the drivers allow sufficient safety margin at the point of shutdown to protect the card but repeated stressing to this point cant be good for the life of the card.

This is not an imaginary problem. CQ is pushing my card to the point of thermal shutdown whereas before it was fine (docked did cause the card fan to speed up a little but nothing this huge). Should I be expected to watercool my GPU or run a $1000 card JUST to be able to show one avatar wandering around a room? If you say no then surely CCP (and those saying the problem doenst exist) have to accept that the coding is flawed?

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In this respect, what we (the "EVE wont break your computer" people) have said is much like science: Its unfortunate that you feel patronized and like we are being condescending, it really is, but that won't change the facts. You can be unsatisfied all you want, I nor anyone else can take that from you. You won't change the facts though - As the theoretical physicist Lawrence krauss once said "The universe is the way it is, whether we like it or not".

Nobody says its an imaginary problem, in fact we fully accept and acknowledge your problem - And very probably Incarna/CQ needs a great deal of optimization and fixing, I'm positive about that. What we're saying is you're blaming the wrong people/thing. Either blame the person who put your computer together, or the person who is supposed to clean your computer, update it, or blame your hardware vendor for false advertisement on proper cooling or defective hardware, or the people making the drivers for your machine.

CQ can only do to your CPU and GPU what your CPU and GPU LETS it do. In other words, if there is a limit that shouldn't be reached and you have drivers and hardware that works like it should, your system will be throttled one way or the other to compensate for the load so that limit isn't reached or crossed - If this doesn't happen its because of inadequate cooling, poor ventilation, poor drivers or defective hardware, or a mix of these.

I hold no opinion of you one way or the other.......

....snipped because of bullsh*t

... and you are ignoring what people are posting. you refuse to get it. I play another game and it doesn't cause the kinds of issues I'm getting and other people. their cooling systems are fine (as is mine) and other games don't cause so much strain that their computers (nor mine) are crashing because of the extreme loads CQ is placing upon them. the day before incarna was released their computers (and mine) were running eve just fine. incarna is released and now their computers (and mine) are crashing because of the new strain *caused by incarna*. there is obviously looping and major memory leaks in this release. but by all means keep posting nonsense ... it just shows how much you enjoy trolling.

Originally by: Davon Kastire

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If this is true then I'm turning off CQ and setting my graphics to the lowest...if that would help. If not then I'm just not going to play EVE until I hear from CCP that they've fix this problem.

This is my system.

AMD Athlon II 630 Quad Core Processor

4 GB system Momory

GeForce 8400 GS

I need someone's opinion, is it safe to play EVE at this point in time with this?

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Originally by: Kile Kitmoore

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After play with CQ a bit yesterday I had some interesting results. If I am looking at the video screens the CPU utilization is like 30% but turning the camera and pointing back up the walk way toward my ship it jumps up to 50%. Has anyone else noticed these wild swings depending on what is actually viewed in CQ?

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Originally by: Ste'ven Sch'orik

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If you are NOT having problems then this topic isn't for you. Stop trying to discredit those of us having problems and stop being so dang self-centered. CCP jacked up and we are having very serious problems that we didn't have BEFORE Incarna. The strain on my gpu is higher than it was before even though there is no increase in graphic quality. I run everything on lowest settings and have turned the station environment off but its overheating my gpu as if graphics were maxed. This was not an issue before Incarna. I get no lag or anything like that. I tried disabling Physx acceleration and that has not helped. It is especially bad when in transit from one place to another and while in warp. CCP really fouled up big time and I have gotten zero response from them even in their issues thread. What the heck is going on and why won't CCP even respond. Not even a threat to kick me in the teeth or whatever. Nothing.

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Originally by: Mobius Reynolds

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Edited by: Mobius Reynolds on 24/06/2011 16:21:40
Phenom II X4 955 Black (No Over-clocking or heat damage)
CPU Cooling: Asetek 510LC Self-Contained Liquid Cooling
nVidia EVGA GTX 465
12 GB DDR3 Corsair RAM with heat spreaders
windows 7, 64 bit.
8x 120mm case fans

Ok...I can run and record Crysis 2 full specs no problem...but for Incarna (1 client, closing down non-essential background processes, with anti-virus in a gaming-mode)things work a little differently for me. Loaded up Incarna with my settings optimized for my hardware...got to walk around the CQ for a little while...then my mobo gave off it's heat warning alarm, then shut off the computer. Rebooted, adjusted settings, and now my computer crashes when I go towards the ship in the CQ...no warnings, no alarms...just turns off like a reset button...Not sure if my system is damaged (as I can still run plenty of other games fine at full specs)...

Maybe I've got a mobo issue, but since other people are having similar issues, I figured I'd post here...

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Originally by: Solomon XI

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CCP,

I've been playing Eve Online since 2007 and absolutely love your game. It's a wonderful Science Fiction MMO and I can't wait to see where your vision takes us in the future. However, I have an extremely serious problem and so do many others if you read the forums a bit. First of all, I built a new system anticipating Incarna. Specifications posted below.

Windows7 x64
4GB RAM
nVidia EVGA GTX 460
Phenom II X4 940 QC B/E

It's not a bad system. Air cooled. Case has 12 fans in it. Decent heat-sink to boot (Noctua). Should handle Eve Online Incarna pretty well right? WRONG.

Before Incarna, I was getting roughly 60 FPS undocked and average a CPU temp of around 38C-45C during engagements with all effects on and the best graphics. Even more FPS and less CPU overload if I had everything turned to the lowest settings & effects completely turned off.

Now let's talk about Incarna. With max graphics turned on, I dropped down to around 30FPS in QC and my CPU overhead went through the roof. My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C. My GPU sounded like a Ferarri during that period. Ok, whatever. I didn't load station enviroment and turned all settings back to extremely low. Undocked. CPU OVERHEAD INCREASED 6x from what it used to be. Sitting UNDOCKED with no effects and low graphics =58% CPU load wtf? I was idling at 53C on my CPU and 60FPS.

CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END.

What the hell happened?

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Originally by: Solomon XI

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Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 02:25:20

Originally by: Morgenholt Blue

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Originally by: Solomon XI

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CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END.

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This is not CCP's fault. This is your own fault for not having sufficient cooling in your PC.

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And you sir ... are an absolute idiot. Read the original post and you'll see that I DO IN FACT have proper cooling.

12 case fans. Noctua heatsink (which is comparable to liquid almost). It is NOT an issue on my end. My system has plenty of cooling. My heatsink is also properly mounted. I'm not an idiot.

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