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Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:40:00 - [181] Still looking for a Dev.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:43:00 - [182] Weird that people are having problems. I'm not. In fact, the fan on my EVGA Classified GTX 590 barely spools up when I'm in CQ. That's at 1920x1200, all settings maxed. The cooler sitting on the i7 2600k same thing. A mere whisper. The fan in the Corsair AX1200 power supply. Idling along nowhere near max. I have to say I was quite impressed with the low overhead this expansion brought to the table. Whens the last time you people bought a can of air and blew the dust out of your systems? Mr Epeen
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:44:00 - [183] Originally by: Mr Epeen Weird that people are having problems. I'm not. In fact, the fan on my EVGA Classified GTX 590 barely spools up when I'm in CQ. That's at 1920x1200, all settings maxed. The cooler sitting on the i7 2600k same thing. A mere whisper. The fan in the Corsair AX1200 power supply. Idling along nowhere near max. I have to say I was quite impressed with the low overhead this expansion brought to the table. Whens the last time you people bought a can of air and blew the dust out of your systems? Mr Epeen It's a brand new system and I cleaned mine before the expansion. I'm anal about it. I blow it out daily. >_>
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:48:00 - [184] PARTIAL SOLUTION DISCOVERED ALBEIT NOT A GOOD ONE: For those who are having overheating issues, try turning your CPU and RAM voltages down slightly through the BIOs. It's not a golden arrow but it does help somewhat. -- -- -- -- -- No, I am not satisfied. I demand a CCP Developer response.
Race Drones 13th Squadron E C L I P S E	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:52:00 - [185] Originally by: Solomon XI PARTIAL SOLUTION DISCOVERED ALBEIT NOT A GOOD ONE: For those who are having overheating issues, try turning your CPU and RAM voltages down slightly through the BIOs. It's not a golden arrow but it does help somewhat. -- -- -- -- -- No, I am not satisfied. I demand a CCP Developer response. +1 BUMP !
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:58:00 - [186] +1 Bump
Dante Kesel	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:01:00 - [187] I knew there had to be an issue my cpu doesn't hit 60c unless I'm playing a newish game thats extremely cpu intensive and even then it goes back down to 55c quick (small AC Unit hooked up to the intake fans.)
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:01:00 - [188] Originally by: Dante Kesel I knew there had to be an issue my cpu doesn't hit 60c unless I'm playing a newish game thats extremely cpu intensive and even then it goes back down to 55c quick (small AC Unit hooked up to the intake fans.) Post system spec's, please.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:02:00 - [189] i think its unacceptable that you should have to change bios settings to help with a situation that you have not caused
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:04:00 - [190] Originally by: leth ghost i think its unacceptable that you should have to change bios settings to help with a situation that you have not caused As do I. I had to literally roadblock my CPU speed and RAM speed just so that I could play Incarna without overheating my system when NO OTHER GAME WHAT SO EVER taxes my system anywhere near what Eve currently is. This includes Crysis.

Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:04:00 - [191] Originally by: Solomon XI I demand a CCP Developer response. Well, aren't you a special little snowflake?
Dante Kesel	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:06:00 - [192] AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE stock cooler, 4gb's patriot ram 1300mhz, 1tb western digital blue, nvidia 460gtx 1gb palit. MSI 790fx gd70. Creative Gaming edition sound card. Haf 922 case with a 115 volt ac hooked up to the intake fans and a exhaust sytem attached to the exhausts. Windows 7 64bit pro. Normal Gaming temp with eve 51-55c now 51-53 in space 55-59 in station.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:10:00 - [193] Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 18:11:16 Originally by: Dante Kesel AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE stock cooler, 4gb's patriot ram 1300mhz, 1tb western digital blue, nvidia 460gtx 1gb palit. MSI 790fx gd70. Creative Gaming edition sound card. Haf 922 case with a 115 volt ac hooked up to the intake fans and a exhaust sytem attached to the exhausts. Windows 7 64bit pro. Normal Gaming temp with eve 51-55c now 51-53 in space 55-59 in station. You are running dangerously close to the max temp for the Pheonom which is 62C. You can tone your CPU down slightly by lowering the voltages in the BIO's. Lower the RAM voltages as well. Doing that will slow your system down (as you're losing clock speed) but does help elevate some of the heating issues temporarily. The above is not a good solution for long term. We shouldn't have to gimp our systems to play a game like this. I know of far heavier resource hog games than Eve Incarna is supposed to be. Also - stock cooler = bad. I am using an air-cooled system with a Noctua cooler and even my temps are rising significantly. And the Noctua air cool gives damn near the same performance as a liquid cool.
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:11:00 - [194] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Shepard Book Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Strrog My hardware performance was normal when out of station, so I hope it only affects CQ, and I hope nobody damaged their machines over this nuisance! Some people have reported their CPU burned, some people have reported their GPU's being murdered, and a motherboard died apparently. BTW --- Bump. This is what petitions and the incarna feedback thread is for in the information portal. And it's mentioned in the appropriate threads as well but is being completely ignored. This isn't a simple issue. This is a VERY BIG issue. I strongly agree with Solomon, this issue has indeed went above the regular bad content patch phase, now it may costs hundreds or thousands dollars to replace ALREADY BURNED hardware. Actually I never heard that a stand alone game or feature can do so much ninja damage to computers.
Kalissa Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:13:00 - [195] Windows 7 x64 Intel Quad core 2.4ghz Q6600 4MB Ram Radeon 5750 Graphics card I've got a fairly decent CPU cooler in my case, inlet & exhaust fans etc. Before Incarna I was running at about 39c and now I run about 46c Getting in CQ a frame rate of about 50. There are things about Incarna I don't like for sure but I can't say the performance of my pc has been adversely affected by it.
Dante Kesel	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:15:00 - [196] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 18:11:16 Originally by: Dante Kesel AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE stock cooler, 4gb's patriot ram 1300mhz, 1tb western digital blue, nvidia 460gtx 1gb palit. MSI 790fx gd70. Creative Gaming edition sound card. Haf 922 case with a 115 volt ac hooked up to the intake fans and a exhaust sytem attached to the exhausts. Windows 7 64bit pro. Normal Gaming temp with eve 51-55c now 51-53 in space 55-59 in station. You are running dangerously close to the max temp for the Pheonom which is 62C. You can tone your CPU down slightly by lowering the voltages in the BIO's. Lower the RAM voltages as well. Doing that will slow your system down (as you're losing clock speed) but does help elevate some of the heating issues temporarily. The above is not a good solution for long term. We shouldn't have to gimp our systems to play a game like this. I know of far heavier resource hog games than Eve Incarna is supposed to be. Also - stock cooler = bad. I am using an air-cooled system with a Noctua cooler and even my temps are rising significantly. And the Noctua air cool gives damn near the same performance as a liquid cool. I would use an aftermarket cooler if my mobo could accomodate it the heatsink base around the socket is unremovable which gimps my ability to get a different cooler so I'm stuck with what I have.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:17:00 - [197] Originally by: Dante Kesel Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 18:11:16 Originally by: Dante Kesel AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE stock cooler, 4gb's patriot ram 1300mhz, 1tb western digital blue, nvidia 460gtx 1gb palit. MSI 790fx gd70. Creative Gaming edition sound card. Haf 922 case with a 115 volt ac hooked up to the intake fans and a exhaust sytem attached to the exhausts. Windows 7 64bit pro. Normal Gaming temp with eve 51-55c now 51-53 in space 55-59 in station. You are running dangerously close to the max temp for the Pheonom which is 62C. You can tone your CPU down slightly by lowering the voltages in the BIO's. Lower the RAM voltages as well. Doing that will slow your system down (as you're losing clock speed) but does help elevate some of the heating issues temporarily. The above is not a good solution for long term. We shouldn't have to gimp our systems to play a game like this. I know of far heavier resource hog games than Eve Incarna is supposed to be. Also - stock cooler = bad. I am using an air-cooled system with a Noctua cooler and even my temps are rising significantly. And the Noctua air cool gives damn near the same performance as a liquid cool. I would use an aftermarket cooler if my mobo could accomodate it the heatsink base around the socket is unremovable which gimps my ability to get a different cooler so I'm stuck with what I have. Snap in pins? On the back of the motherboard, you can pinch them and pop them out. Then slip a new heat sink base/socket on.
DHuncan	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:18:00 - [198] What is unacceptable is that CCP dont show a face and explain about this, deny it or anything. You can believe the OP or not but he's a pay customer and deserves suport with any issue he may feel is experiencing. One thing is that we pay customers are used as beta testers every single expansion and patch they develop and another thing is that our computers are used as resistance test subjects. I dont like this. If the OP has a bad configuration or is doing something wrong or however the problem is on his end CCP still should rise up and explain. Dont they even care we may simply desconnect not to risk or precious hardwares?
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:20:00 - [199] Originally by: DHuncan What is unacceptable is that CCP dont show a face and explain about this, deny it or anything. You can believe the OP or not but he's a pay customer and deserves suport with any issue he may feel is experiencing. One thing is that we pay customers are used as beta testers every single expansion and patch they develop and another thing is that our computers are used as resistance test subjects. I dont like this. If the OP has a bad configuration or is doing something wrong or however the problem is on his end CCP still should rise up and explain. Dont they even care we may simply desconnect not to risk or precious hardwares? It's not just me though. Many others are also having this issue.
LIOZTH Caldari Divide By Zero Emergent Dawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:20:00 - [200] Friendly bump - I think enough people are having this issue that it deserves some sort of acknowledgement from a CCP dev.

Dante Kesel	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:20:00 - [201] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Dante Kesel Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 18:11:16 Originally by: Dante Kesel AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE stock cooler, 4gb's patriot ram 1300mhz, 1tb western digital blue, nvidia 460gtx 1gb palit. MSI 790fx gd70. Creative Gaming edition sound card. Haf 922 case with a 115 volt ac hooked up to the intake fans and a exhaust sytem attached to the exhausts. Windows 7 64bit pro. Normal Gaming temp with eve 51-55c now 51-53 in space 55-59 in station. You are running dangerously close to the max temp for the Pheonom which is 62C. You can tone your CPU down slightly by lowering the voltages in the BIO's. Lower the RAM voltages as well. Doing that will slow your system down (as you're losing clock speed) but does help elevate some of the heating issues temporarily. The above is not a good solution for long term. We shouldn't have to gimp our systems to play a game like this. I know of far heavier resource hog games than Eve Incarna is supposed to be. Also - stock cooler = bad. I am using an air-cooled system with a Noctua cooler and even my temps are rising significantly. And the Noctua air cool gives damn near the same performance as a liquid cool. I would use an aftermarket cooler if my mobo could accomodate it the heatsink base around the socket is unremovable which gimps my ability to get a different cooler so I'm stuck with what I have. Snap in pins? On the back of the motherboard, you can pinch them and pop them out. Then slip a new heat sink base/socket on. the screws were stripped making it impossible to remove
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:22:00 - [202] Originally by: Dante Kesel the screws were stripped making it impossible to remove Ouch. Also - bump.
LuxLight	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:27:00 - [203] Originally by: Solomon XI Now let's talk about Incarna. With max graphics turned on, I dropped down to around 30FPS in QC and my CPU overhead went through the roof. My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C. My GPU sounded like a Ferarri during that period. Ok, whatever. I didn't load station enviroment and turned all settings back to extremely low. Undocked. CPU OVERHEAD INCREASED 6x from what it used to be. Sitting UNDOCKED with no effects and low graphics =58% CPU load wtf? I was idling at 53C on my CPU and 60FPS. I guess my three(?) year old 8800 rocks! No issues.
Cpt Rev Gallente Rudel Taktik	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:30:00 - [204] Did a test.... Running two Eve clients. One with MAX then other with a mix of low/medium. CPU is sitting at 55-60% usage. Client one with MAX settings is using 900MB of RAM, then second client is running 670 MB. My setup: Intel Quad 6600 2.4GHZ nvidia 295 GTX 8GB RAM Win 7 x64 Ultimate The GPU is hovering between 90-95c. which is fine. I do have my fans speed upto 80% Screen shot http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/135/incarna.jpg
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:39:00 - [205] Interesting...
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:44:00 - [206] I completely agree with the ideas expressed thus far, and am reposting my post from the troubleshooting forum, since I felt it would be appreciated by the non-flamers here. At this point, I'm glad my laptop wouldn't run incarnna. I would rather have to wait to play it and not fry my old parts, probably considered antique by this point, since people with top of the line pc's are having such dangerous problems running this latest patch. More power to you solomon XI, and I'll help keep the topic on the first page, as well as try to grab the attention of one of the devs' form the troubleshooting forums (although I don't know how much it will help, as there are many other issues being overlooked in those forums as well) I forsee many long time customers, and many soon to be customers, avoiding the headaches that have now been produced by the launch of incarana. It seems to me, like many other ideas before it, to be an idea that looks great on paper, but when implemented, causes many more problems than it fixes. I am also having a problem that has been repeated many a time on this forum so far, and has apparently been ignored by the developers thus far. When I go to start eve, it stalls, and just sits there. If I had not used ctrl-alt-delete to open the task manager, I wouldn't have even konwn that I was recieving an "outdated graphics card" error message (yes the error message was errored itself, lol), had it not been for that fact. Congratulations, CCP, on taking something that could have been one of the greatest games ever made, and by slowly ignoring certian known problems, reducing your loyal fans to ragequitting, not by some string of in game bad luck, but by mediocre customer service, and bad problem fixing. You should not, at any point, have to respond to a paying customer "that is a known issue", especially if is has been "known" for some time. If it was known, then it should have been fixed, not ignored and pushed back to make room for new graphics. I've seen it time and time again, once a game company puts graphics as a priority over gameplay mechanics, it means the beginning of the end for them. Do not forget that without us, the LOYAL customers, you would not have a market for your product. sSure, there will still be some new ones, but its not worth the cost of the longtime fans. If you continue with your current train of thought when it comes to serving you customers, you will esentially become one of those mmo's that people refer to only as a fond memory, saying things like "It was a great game, before they did this or that and it ruined the gameplay." Don't get me wrong, Incarana brings some innovative new ideas to the table, and with Dust just around the corner, this could be a great game combination. Just don't sell out your old customers for a bucket of new ones. Well, thats all I have to say for the moment, and I hope It opens someones' eyes.
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:51:00 - [207] There's definitely a large increase in load when in the QC. Outside of the QC, the game still runs like it did pre-Incarna. No issues for me there. But inside the QC, temps on my non-overclocked/non-overvolted GTX 275 will reach 88-91 C with the fan operating at 96% while standing still. I run a clean system with plenty of air flow in the case, yada yada yada. While that's not a dangerous temp for a GTX 275, it is still far higher than any game has ever pushed my GPU temp. And the QC is certainly not more graphically intensive than other games I play. Now, there may be a set of drivers that help alleviate some of this, but I really doubt it. Or there may be a setting that can be disabled. In short, though, something isn't quite right with the huge load being put on the GPU for what's going on in the QC. Somewhere there's an issue on CCP's side.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:58:00 - [208] So this is both a CPU & GPU issue even on the new end hardware. For me, it's my CPU overheating despite more than enough cooling installed. For others, it's the GPU. For some ... both. This issue is not limited to AMD CPU's alone as there are some Intel guys saying the same. We REALLY NEED CCP DEV's IN HERE!
Darwin Edison	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:59:00 - [209] I don't know what's changed. Perhaps a stealth fix in today's patch. I've just run two clients with Incarna enabled for a bit over an hour and not had the same experience as yesterday. Today, the temperature climbed rapidly to 55c and stayed there. CPU utilization is still bouncing between the high forties and the high seventies. All and all, pretty tolerable. I never had the FPS or GPU issues some of you have mentioned. Lots of games bring my cpu temperature up to 55c, so no worries there.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:59:00 - [210] Originally by: CCP Zymurgist We are forever watching from the shadows. Lurking behind the blue bars. Usually on days like today we are interested in reading feedback. I know I know, don't faint. It appears they only answer topics that don't require any real attention, while the actual issues are ignored.



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