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Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:10:00 - [1] CCP, I've been playing Eve Online since 2007 and absolutely love your game. It's a wonderful Science Fiction MMO and I can't wait to see where your vision takes us in the future. However, I have an extremely serious problem and so do many others if you read the forums a bit. First of all, I built a new system anticipating Incarna. Specifications posted below. Windows7 x64 4GB RAM nVidia EVGA GTX 460 Phenom II X4 940 QC B/E It's not a bad system. Air cooled. Case has 12 fans in it. Decent heat-sink to boot (Noctua). Should handle Eve Online Incarna pretty well right? WRONG. Before Incarna, I was getting roughly 60 FPS undocked and average a CPU temp of around 38C-45C during engagements with all effects on and the best graphics. Even more FPS and less CPU overload if I had everything turned to the lowest settings & effects completely turned off. Now let's talk about Incarna. With max graphics turned on, I dropped down to around 30FPS in QC and my CPU overhead went through the roof. My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C. My GPU sounded like a Ferarri during that period. Ok, whatever. I didn't load station enviroment and turned all settings back to extremely low. Undocked. CPU OVERHEAD INCREASED 6x from what it used to be. Sitting UNDOCKED with no effects and low graphics =58% CPU load wtf? I was idling at 53C on my CPU and 60FPS. CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. What the hell happened?
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:14:00 - [2] Oh and by the way ... why only Minmatar QC? You have been touting CQ heavily and yet we only get a single variant? The heck?
OverlordY	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:15:00 - [3] Edited by: OverlordY on 22/06/2011 02:16:51 I cant say iv noticed any temperature increases with this patch. Im running AMD 955 black with a GTX 560 TI. No increases in overall temps at all.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:16:00 - [4] Did you compare between Pre-Incarna and Post-Incarna? Compare CPU load, etc?
Fix Lag	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:16:00 - [5] My computer straight-up crashed the first time I tried to load CQ. Fix Lag!
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:17:00 - [6] This is why I tell people not to buy AMD. SC version of your card, Win 7x64, 4GB RAM, i7 870 Quad Core running 1920x1080 at 60 FPS in CQ. ~55c
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Fix Lag My computer straight-up crashed the first time I tried to load CQ. That's another issue entirely. Eve keeps crashing. That's a software issue though. This issue is far more serious as it can potentially destroy thousands of dollars in hardware.
OverlordY	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:20:00 - [8] oh an intel fanboy, be gone.
Morgenholt Blue RED.Legion	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Solomon XI CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. This is not CCP's fault. This is your own fault for not having sufficient cooling in your PC.
Jak Silverheart Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:22:00 - [10] It's not his computer it's EVE. They messed something up, and did so badly there are thread upon threads about how poor the performance of the in station stuff is. Originally by: Scordite Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?

Reft Ar'en	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:23:00 - [11] 6GB RAM Phenom II x4 @ 3.4GHz 9800 GT 1gb - Running @ 55 FPS, temps normal, fans normal, everything normal. CPU load.... Normal. GPU load, less then Crysis, less then Modern Warfare, less then ANNO. What da problem is?
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:24:00 - [12] Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 02:25:20 Originally by: Morgenholt Blue Originally by: Solomon XI CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. This is not CCP's fault. This is your own fault for not having sufficient cooling in your PC. And you sir ... are an absolute idiot. Read the original post and you'll see that I DO IN FACT have proper cooling. 12 case fans. Noctua heatsink (which is comparable to liquid almost). It is NOT an issue on my end. My system has plenty of cooling. My heatsink is also properly mounted. I'm not an idiot.
Ejit Amarr STD contractors	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:25:00 - [13] Originally by: OverlordY I cant say iv noticed any temperature increases with this patch. CCP debunker? I'm running quad 9600 Phenom black edition 4gb of 1066 ram ATI HD 4870 1gb per core gfx And I'm having similar issues. Ppl are saying, Oh it's your hardware. Well this can't be a coincidence. And those saying that bad software doesn't adversely your hardware are just plain wrong. There is something wrong with this patch, besides CQ being fail. Solution: Roll back to QR, give us more ships instead and fix EVE.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:29:00 - [14] Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 02:29:02 These are problems multiple people are experiencing and some CPU's, GPU's, and even Motherboards have already been lost! CCP PAY ATTENTION!
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:33:00 - [15] This thread is staying on the first page until a Developer replies. I'll bump it from now till' eternity.
E Luminus Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:35:00 - [16] I agree with the Op. I'm running an Nvidia 470GTX and before Incarna, GPU temp and fan noise were nominal. Now, when docked in station temp has risen to 75C and fan speed (and noise) is at MAX (like having a Cessna prop engined plane in the room).
Karsa Egivand Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:35:00 - [17] I havent seen any problem. I suspect that there is an issue with some configs, and effected people rushed to this forum. Still, its probably not that many people. I asked around in game and all people were like "wha? everything is fine".
Ejit Amarr STD contractors	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:35:00 - [18] I think they're busy drafting a form you can submit to claim compensation after EVE has killed everyone's hardware.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:36:00 - [19] I want a Developer to chime in. I'm not going away.
riverini Gallente Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:39:00 - [20] Originally by: E Luminus I agree with the Op. I'm running an Nvidia 470GTX and before Incarna, GPU temp and fan noise were nominal. Now, when docked in station temp has risen to 75C and fan speed (and noise) is at MAX (like having a Cessna prop engined plane in the room). where u playing angry birds? the Nvidia 470 is perfectly normal to double as a house heater, it's made to run that way, google it Nvidia GTX 470, i7 950, 8GB DDR3 ram, 5 Harddrives. all running as intended. R

Darwin Edison	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Reft Ar'en 6GB RAM Phenom II x4 @ 3.4GHz 9800 GT 1gb - Running @ 55 FPS, temps normal, fans normal, everything normal. CPU load.... Normal. GPU load, less then Crysis, less then Modern Warfare, less then ANNO. What da problem is? I have the same processor (the 965) but am having the same problem as the original poster. No problems on the GPU or FPS front, but with Load Station Environment checked, my temp jumped to 64/65 inside of a half hour with two instances of the client. With them unchecked, my temp hasn't gone above 44.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:41:00 - [22] /me throws a rock at CCP. Developers. Pay. Attention.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:46:00 - [23] Back to the top of the page.
Mercof Mercy	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:48:00 - [24] Good luck getting any sort of reply Solomon. CCP stopped listening to its customers long before this patch came out. As fas as any sort of compensation for those who have destroyed hardware.... lol. Good luck with that.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:49:00 - [25] I have no life. I will fill up 200 pages with bumps until I receive a developer's attention on this subject.
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:52:00 - [26] Originally by: OverlordY oh an intel fanboy, be gone. I just compared a 2.93 GHz Intel Quad Core with a 3GHz AMD Quad Core, and basically the same system spec, showing more than twice the performance. I've played both sides, and used AMD for years before giving up and moving to Intel. I've never been a fanboy, and never will be. The fact is AMD is an undernourished, malformed brick of a CPU that gets no performance whatsoever until you OC the the Northbridge to nearly 2500MHz. I've pushed 2.2GHz on my AMD Northbridge on with a Crosshair II Formula, 3.1GHz OC on the CPU, 4 GB 1066MHz memory, and a 260 GTX and found it was the only way to unlock performance with it, while practically needing to put my NB on ice. All that, and I still pulled less performance than a previous generation Intel with basically the same specs and a lower clock. Trust me; AMD bites. You'll never see anywhere near the stock performance you'll get out of a similar clocked Intel. They haven't even dropped die sizes yet. AMD was a massive disappointment to me. I'm just glad I made the change to Intel, and forgot the BS about them being a pseudo monopoly, or at least decided it wasn't worth having an issue with it, if it meant dragging my arse through hot lead pellets every time I turned on my PC. Only a fanboy would ignore all that in favor of a sluggish CPU.
E Luminus Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:57:00 - [27] Originally by: riverini Originally by: E Luminus I agree with the Op. I'm running an Nvidia 470GTX and before Incarna, GPU temp and fan noise were nominal. Now, when docked in station temp has risen to 75C and fan speed (and noise) is at MAX (like having a Cessna prop engined plane in the room). where u playing angry birds? the Nvidia 470 is perfectly normal to double as a house heater, it's made to run that way, google it Nvidia GTX 470, i7 950, 8GB DDR3 ram, 5 Harddrives. all running as intended. R Yes I know that and can verify that it does double as a heater playing graphic intense games. However, Eve never really made it work so hard before. The Station isn't exactly a DX11, feature rich environment.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:58:00 - [28] Let's leave the Intel.vs.AMD politics out of this thread, alright? CCP PAY ATTENTION.
Kiyl	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:00:00 - [29] So, I dont run on the best setup by any means. I just have a stock standard Dell Inspiron 1594 (LOL). Anyway, I came home tonight, poured myself a drink, and logged on thinking "YA, Incarna, ive been waiting SSSOOOOO LONG for this!". So, I logged on TQ and started checking CQ out. After about 15 minutes of looking at everything I noticed my recently poured drink that I had set next to my exhaust fan, was now bubbling. I turned off the load station environment and undocked/redocked to set it right. When I docked I was extremely suprised, when, instead of the normal station screen, I was now presented with what looked to be a screenshot of the corner of my room in CQ. Extremely Dissapointed. Besides that, my hand was nearly scorched from the progressively building heat on my motherboard. So, I shut EVE down, put on my angry face, and came to the forums to say: CCP, I R DISSAPOINT.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Solomon XI I have no life. I will fill up 200 pages with bumps until I receive a developer's attention on this subject. Helping CCP along with fail-cascading themselves is more fun then the game currently. It's kinda like old 0.0 before they reset the game.

Rebel Boss	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:01:00 - [31] well my pc got toasted (burned) or something i can tell this by the smell, my system was and hope is still a amd phenom quad core 9500 with atiradeon on a3m32 asus board all asus, it may be a coincidence but it crushed just seconds away to go te see my shuttle from that balcony, the point is that fataly crushed in eve... i am still investigating the issue, atm i am desansable the hole pc... keep u posted wish my luck :/
Firid Soulbane Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:01:00 - [32] Even though you have a valid argument it seems like you are the one that wants attention.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Firid Soulbane Even though you have a valid argument it seems like you are the one that wants attention. I do. I want a Developers attention. CCP - Paying attention yet?
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:05:00 - [34] can someone pls copy paste a standard Gm response here so this butthurt carebear can stop posting kthks _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge can someone pls copy paste a standard Gm response here so this butthurt carebear can stop posting kthks So I'm a butt-hurt carebear (Right! I mission all damn day! Never shot another ship before!) because my PC can't handle Eve when judging by the hardware it SHOULD BE ABLE TO? Yeah ... shut up. Ok? Thx.
Syndeq	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:07:00 - [36] Only 75C? Like a champ mine hit 92C before I undocked (it almost instantly dropped to 58C), my office got a bit warm... (note the GPU Max) Time to tweak some fan settings just so I can walk around in a 15x20 room...
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:09:00 - [37] Just a friendly nudge.
Rebel Boss	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:10:00 - [38] pls all be obiective and delete non related posts or stop posting pls... this may be a critical...
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:10:00 - [39] Need to get a notice out that pilots should turn their graphics all the way down from the login screen, then step it back up after they get a baseline.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:14:00 - [40] Pushing to the top of the page.

Fedeye Kin	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:15:00 - [41] get a bsod when trying to load the CQs :( error message indicated a temp spike
Darwin Edison	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:16:00 - [42] Originally by: Zleon Leigh Need to get a notice out that pilots should turn their graphics all the way down from the login screen, then step it back up after they get a baseline. Lowering the graphic settings didn't make any difference in my case. All the way to down, and the temp still steadily climbed until it hit a plateau right at 64/65...no different than everything set to High. Disabling Incarna by unchecking Load Station Environments fixed the temperature problems.
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Jerry Pepridge can someone pls copy paste a standard Gm response here so this butthurt carebear can stop posting kthks my pc is 4 years old, im expecting to have no problems loading a 2011 game. this game is my life, please let me run it on my P4 FYP. _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:17:00 - [44] CCP . PAY . ATTENTION!
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:20:00 - [45] Back to the top of the main page we go!
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:20:00 - [46] Originally by: Solomon XI CCP . PAY . ATTENTION! They had that chance over the last 3-6 months where people have been pointing out what fail this would turn into. Old players quit, tards and baribe fans move in, they'll be happy enough with resource hog having never experienced a properly functioning game. CCP know that people only play for 7 months on average. Thus they really couldn't give a **** what their "old players" think. CCP are wrong, it will be the death of them.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:22:00 - [47] Well that's fine. I'll turn this into a personal thread-naught until I get a reply from an actual Developer @ CCP. There are other games out there. I <3 Eve Online and have always given them the benefit of the doubt until now. This is simply inexcusable IMO.
Nak hak	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:23:00 - [48] Friendly nudge.
Otaku Komoko	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:25:00 - [49] CCP are hurting themselves with this expansion and the hardware issues it's started. CCP: Rollback/give option to have ship spinning instead of killing customers' computers.
Mystic5hadow Koku Uchu Industries	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:26:00 - [50] I think there's a problem with your system and not the game. I've run Incarna on a couple systems, both old and new, both AMD and Intel, both AMD/ATi and nVIDIA and the game runs just fine. My primary desktop: Intel Core i7 2600K @ 4.5GHz 4 Gigs DDR3-1333 Gigabyte GeForce GTX 470 with EVGA GeForce GTX 260 for two extra monitors and PhysX 120 Gig OCZ Agility 3 SSD Game runs 60FPS maxed everything just fine, temps for my CPU are normal, as is my GPU which is actually hovering around 85c which isn't bad considering it can hit 90c to 100c sometimes. I'd list the older systems but they're irrelevant. Regardless, it's probably a problem with your system. It could be Incarna, but I doubt it. It seems like Incarna is just too much for your computer to handle for some reason. Also, as for the Motherboard and GPU's frying and stuff. That's not because of Incarna. A game can't make a mobo short out and fry itself. It also can't make a GPU, which has built in protection from overheating and whatnot, to kill itself. Those were mostlikely driver issues or just idiots who don't know how to properly build and ventilate a PC. --- The ≡v≡ Online Forums: where all the kiddies go to whine.

Vertisce Soritenshi SHADOW WARD Tragedy.	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:27:00 - [51] If your PC failed because of this expansion then it was time to upgrade anyway. /thread NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND!
Mystic5hadow Koku Uchu Industries	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:28:00 - [52] Originally by: E Luminus I agree with the Op. I'm running an Nvidia 470GTX and before Incarna, GPU temp and fan noise were nominal. Now, when docked in station temp has risen to 75C and fan speed (and noise) is at MAX (like having a Cessna prop engined plane in the room). I have a GTX 470 as well. Those temps are well within the appropriate range for a Fermi GPU. Sadly, that's just how the 400 series vidya cards are. Get used to it. --- The ≡v≡ Online Forums: where all the kiddies go to whine.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:28:00 - [53] Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 03:29:11 Originally by: Mystic5hadow I think there's a problem with your system and not the game. I've run Incarna on a couple systems, both old and new, both AMD and Intel, both AMD/ATi and nVIDIA and the game runs just fine. My primary desktop: Intel Core i7 2600K @ 4.5GHz 4 Gigs DDR3-1333 Gigabyte GeForce GTX 470 with EVGA GeForce GTX 260 for two extra monitors and PhysX 120 Gig OCZ Agility 3 SSD Game runs 60FPS maxed everything just fine, temps for my CPU are normal, as is my GPU which is actually hovering around 85c which isn't bad considering it can hit 90c to 100c sometimes. I'd list the older systems but they're irrelevant. Regardless, it's probably a problem with your system. It could be Incarna, but I doubt it. It seems like Incarna is just too much for your computer to handle for some reason. Also, as for the Motherboard and GPU's frying and stuff. That's not because of Incarna. A game can't make a mobo short out and fry itself. It also can't make a GPU, which has built in protection from overheating and whatnot, to kill itself. Those were mostlikely driver issues or just idiots who don't know how to properly build and ventilate a PC. Too many people reporting overheating suddenly. The CPU load is definitely through the roof. I've checked everything on my end - did so initially. I tested other games which are WAY MORE DEMANDING than Eve is supposed to be and don't have any issues. No ... this is an EVE issue specifically. Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi If your PC failed because of this expansion then it was time to upgrade anyway. /thread Add something useful to the thread, you nimwit. I did upgrade. The hardware I am running should be able to EASILY SUPPORT Eve Incarna.
Sciencegeek deathdealer	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:29:00 - [54] bumping for interest.
Token Afrodude Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:32:00 - [55] adding to the threadnaught. It's a real pity CCP isn't affiliated with Apple, or their manufacturer Foxconn from China. If they released such a fail patch, they'd all be on the roof flinging themselves off in Shame
ifollowed through	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:32:00 - [56] bump for justac
Darwin Edison	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Solomon XI Too many people reporting overheating suddenly. The CPU load is definitely through the roof. I've checked everything on my end - did so initially. I tested other games which are WAY MORE DEMANDING than Eve is supposed to be and don't have any issues. No ... this is an EVE issue specifically. Strangely, my CPU load is a respectable 75% or so across all four cores. Nowhere near maxxed out. I don't seem to have taken a FPS hit either. However, I'm still getting CPU temp issues with Incarna on, and no problems at all with it off (CPU drops to around 20% utilization and may actually be a little cooler than before the patch).
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:35:00 - [58] Copied from another thread to this one: Originally by: Grey Stormshadow Yea... Updated my computer from xp to win7 64bit just to get 4 gigs of ram installed. Also bought new graphics card and that is working ok. However... the cpu usage of the client has gone way up. With 2 clients on station my amd athlon 64x2 3800+ (2.00GHz) is running on 95% when another client is minimized. When both clients are minimized, cpu usage is still way above 50% and even when station enviroment is disabled single client may still use peak 20% cpu. This wasn't the case even in the space enviroment with the previous client. Something has gone horribly wrong with the "optmizations" with this one... Anyways already desided put my secondary account to icebox fox the time being and atm feel great desire to hit the unsubscribe button with this one also. However I promised to stick in this incarna train untill the end of this year and will keep that promise. The client can't stay like this tho. Would like to say something nice about the incarna and prolly will, as it isn't all bad, but atm I'm tired, dissapointed and unable to think really constructive so will leave that for tomorrow. I bet that the devs know most of the performance issues out there, but were just forced to release with unreal timetable again... its sad. New day and new tricks tomorrow, gn
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:37:00 - [59] Ccp blue balls? lol leave us anticpating incarna but ? .. anyway.. I like the new corporate recruiting thing
Mystic5hadow Koku Uchu Industries	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:37:00 - [60] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 03:29:11 Originally by: Mystic5hadow I think there's a problem with your system and not the game. I've run Incarna on a couple systems, both old and new, both AMD and Intel, both AMD/ATi and nVIDIA and the game runs just fine. My primary desktop: Intel Core i7 2600K @ 4.5GHz 4 Gigs DDR3-1333 Gigabyte GeForce GTX 470 with EVGA GeForce GTX 260 for two extra monitors and PhysX 120 Gig OCZ Agility 3 SSD Game runs 60FPS maxed everything just fine, temps for my CPU are normal, as is my GPU which is actually hovering around 85c which isn't bad considering it can hit 90c to 100c sometimes. I'd list the older systems but they're irrelevant. Regardless, it's probably a problem with your system. It could be Incarna, but I doubt it. It seems like Incarna is just too much for your computer to handle for some reason. Also, as for the Motherboard and GPU's frying and stuff. That's not because of Incarna. A game can't make a mobo short out and fry itself. It also can't make a GPU, which has built in protection from overheating and whatnot, to kill itself. Those were mostlikely driver issues or just idiots who don't know how to properly build and ventilate a PC. Too many people reporting overheating suddenly. The CPU load is definitely through the roof. I've checked everything on my end - did so initially. I tested other games which are WAY MORE DEMANDING than Eve is supposed to be and don't have any issues. No ... this is an EVE issue specifically. Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi If your PC failed because of this expansion then it was time to upgrade anyway. /thread Add something useful to the thread, you nimwit. I did upgrade. The hardware I am running should be able to EASILY SUPPORT Eve Incarna. It appears to be a problem with EvE and AMD CPU's for some reason. As an Intel fanboy, I'd like to say "HAHAHAHA! AMD fails and always will." but that would be mean and un-constructive. But yeah.. Seems to be an AMD issue for whatever reason. Could be because CCP and nVIDIA are sleeping in the same bed? Dunno. Either way, it sucks for AMD owners and it sucks because this will hurt them and EvE :( Whatever the issue, hopefully it can be resolved quickly. --- The ≡v≡ Online Forums: where all the kiddies go to whine.

Kaede Kimura Epsilon Inc STORM.	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:38:00 - [61] Edited by: Kaede Kimura on 22/06/2011 03:38:27 Whine central, I see. Quit having a tantrum you entitled brat! Underlined text in all caps is only going to catch negative attention. Also, my graphics card is constantly at 90 degrees when I run games and it's been doing fine for a couple of years now, you might want to spend a few more thousand on a faster rig in case your current one catches fire and burns down your mom's house.
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:38:00 - [62] OP'S PC SUCKS /THREAD _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
Gunther Hlaegus	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:39:00 - [63] Edited by: Gunther Hlaegus on 22/06/2011 03:41:20 Same issue here...running a mid-level spec system... Windows 7 32 bit 4GB RAM Intel Core 2 Duo Processor ATI 5770 1GB Video Processor CPU when running Eve has gone up by 50% both in and outside of the station....turning off CQ did not help much. Temperature in my case has jumped from 35C to 60C and all 4 fans are running at max RPM....I didn't stay online longer than 5 minutes for fear of what has happened to others equipment. Just last night everything was running sweet...now all the sudden I'm afraid to play my favorite game because my rig (which can handle Crysis at max settings) all the sudden can not handle something fairly plain/simple like CQ...surely there must be a way to code this so it uses significantly fewer resources.... I for one wont be logging in too much until CCP acknowlegdes that something is wrong and it's being looked in to... Oh and this is a fairly constructive thread...while I respect my fellow players that have awsome, jaw-dropping, tasty rigs of doom to play Eve on...many of the rest of us are playing with mid-level systems and would like to play too....lets not forget that if we can't or won't log in its less targets for you to enjoy!
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:41:00 - [64] CCP. Please show me you are paying attention.
Mystic5hadow Koku Uchu Industries	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:41:00 - [65] Originally by: Solomon XI Copied from another thread to this one: Originally by: Grey Stormshadow Yea... Updated my computer from xp to win7 64bit just to get 4 gigs of ram installed. Also bought new graphics card and that is working ok. However... the cpu usage of the client has gone way up. With 2 clients on station my amd athlon 64x2 3800+ (2.00GHz) is running on 95% when another client is minimized. When both clients are minimized, cpu usage is still way above 50% and even when station enviroment is disabled single client may still use peak 20% cpu. This wasn't the case even in the space enviroment with the previous client. Something has gone horribly wrong with the "optmizations" with this one... Anyways already desided put my secondary account to icebox fox the time being and atm feel great desire to hit the unsubscribe button with this one also. However I promised to stick in this incarna train untill the end of this year and will keep that promise. The client can't stay like this tho. Would like to say something nice about the incarna and prolly will, as it isn't all bad, but atm I'm tired, dissapointed and unable to think really constructive so will leave that for tomorrow. I bet that the devs know most of the performance issues out there, but were just forced to release with unreal timetable again... its sad. New day and new tricks tomorrow, gn One of my older PC's actually happens to be a Athlon 64 X2 3800+, just like his. The CPU hitting almost full load is pretty normal for it with modern games. I even put my old GTX 260 as well as my old 7900 and 6800 cards and the CPU still hit that much usage on any game from within the past two years or so pretty easily. Incarna is graphically intense, despite what people may think. It's going to warm up and CPU/GPU combo regardless how new or old it is. --- The ≡v≡ Online Forums: where all the kiddies go to whine.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:45:00 - [66] Originally by: Mystic5hadow Originally by: Solomon XI Copied from another thread to this one: Originally by: Grey Stormshadow Yea... Updated my computer from xp to win7 64bit just to get 4 gigs of ram installed. Also bought new graphics card and that is working ok. However... the cpu usage of the client has gone way up. With 2 clients on station my amd athlon 64x2 3800+ (2.00GHz) is running on 95% when another client is minimized. When both clients are minimized, cpu usage is still way above 50% and even when station enviroment is disabled single client may still use peak 20% cpu. This wasn't the case even in the space enviroment with the previous client. Something has gone horribly wrong with the "optmizations" with this one... Anyways already desided put my secondary account to icebox fox the time being and atm feel great desire to hit the unsubscribe button with this one also. However I promised to stick in this incarna train untill the end of this year and will keep that promise. The client can't stay like this tho. Would like to say something nice about the incarna and prolly will, as it isn't all bad, but atm I'm tired, dissapointed and unable to think really constructive so will leave that for tomorrow. I bet that the devs know most of the performance issues out there, but were just forced to release with unreal timetable again... its sad. New day and new tricks tomorrow, gn One of my older PC's actually happens to be a Athlon 64 X2 3800+, just like his. The CPU hitting almost full load is pretty normal for it with modern games. I even put my old GTX 260 as well as my old 7900 and 6800 cards and the CPU still hit that much usage on any game from within the past two years or so pretty easily. Incarna is graphically intense, despite what people may think. It's going to warm up and CPU/GPU combo regardless how new or old it is. Yes but it should not be causing an overheat given my setup. I have far more graphically intense games with higher recommended specifications than Eve and have absolutely no issues what-so-ever. The fact remains something is broken on CCP's end.
Token Afrodude Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:47:00 - [67] Edited by: Token Afrodude on 22/06/2011 03:47:25 Originally by: Jerry Pepridge OP'S PC SUCKS /THREAD 0/10. your off your game today. not your best work. oh. bump It's a real pity CCP isn't affiliated with Apple, or their manufacturer Foxconn from China. If they released such a fail patch, they'd all be on the roof flinging themselves off in Shame
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:48:00 - [68] SAGE goes in all fields! "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:52:00 - [69] Bumping again.
Jussa Tetas	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:54:00 - [70] 2 clients in CQ Dual Screens Intel I7 Core 0 and core 2 running 19 - 27% Ati 57?0 Temp - 81C Activity - 99% Fans - 58% Frame rate mid 20's Manually kicked fans to 100% Temo goes to 69C So no real issues here

Fi1ippo Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:54:00 - [71] If it was ccps fault then evey computer would be experiencing the same issues. Its in fact your fault, you either didn't clean your pc, don't have the right hardware, or your pc is just old. My pc is 5 years old and I have NO problems with incarna "The man behind the mask is a Maverik Letting off buck-ten shots for the hat trick." From the song Overtime (Maverik Lacrosse Commercial), by D.One. Life = Lax
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:56:00 - [72] Originally by: Fi1ippo If it was ccps fault then evey computer would be experiencing the same issues. Its in fact your fault, you either didn't clean your pc, don't have the right hardware, or your pc is just old. My pc is 5 years old and I have NO problems with incarna Read the first post and then STFU. It's brand new. Good hardware. Clean even.
agram tabris Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:57:00 - [73] playing atm on win7 x64 12gb ram nvidia gtx 570 oc 2x intel xeon x5650 6-core at 100-120fps inside cq on pretty high quality settings. noticed slightly higher temperatures on the graphics card as usual. but apart from that everything seems ok. no sig.
Kalmanaka Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:59:00 - [74] core2quad Q8400 with large heatpipe heatsink 8gb pc2-6400 ram geforce 9800GT docked with cq off: 11% cpu, gpu temp 67C undocked with all settings to highest: 8% cpu, gpu temp 72C docked with cq on, all settings at lowest: 55% cpu on all 4 cores, gpu temp hit 97C before undocking and turning cq off again this is crazy. --------------------------------------- Estimate != Reality What you want != What you get You whine != Someone cares Learn to deal with it. -Abrazzar
Fi1ippo Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:02:00 - [75] Edited by: Fi1ippo on 22/06/2011 04:03:13 Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Fi1ippo If it was ccps fault then evey computer would be experiencing the same issues. Its in fact your fault, you either didn't clean your pc, don't have the right hardware, or your pc is just old. My pc is 5 years old and I have NO problems with incarna Read the first post and then STFU. It's brand new. Good hardware. Clean even. It still stands that if it was a CCP problen, everyone would be experiencing those extreme effects of motherboards overheating and graphics cards shorting out. Since the majority arent, and some probably have older computers like me, then the problem lies with the OP. My computer is 5 years old, its an alienware, and its stuffed with photos, games, ****, music and movies and it still runs incarna perfectly. Water cooled, 8 gigs of ram, 2 1gb Nvidia graphics cards....and im not even running it in SLI mode. My computer is a freaking dinosaur in comparison to most rigs. Stop blaming CCP for your hardware issues For the people who dont have new computers, clean your rig and get the dust out. "The man behind the mask is a Maverik Letting off buck-ten shots for the hat trick." From the song Overtime (Maverik Lacrosse Commercial), by D.One. Life = Lax
Nari Shaddaa	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:02:00 - [76] Windows 7 x64 4GB Ram nVidia MSI 560GTX TI AMD Phenom II X4 945 Well cooled case/clean fans/etc. I have similar issues with CPU load and temperatures - Even though the core isn't really reaching meltdown-type temperatures right now i did notice that loading the CQ sends my cpu fan into overdrive. So the current client puts more stress on my system than Crysis 1+2, Bulletstorm and the likes - Seems odd to me. Looks like the CQs and Phenoms don't get along all too well? Will probably post some more details in a couple of hours. But in the meantime: Bump
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:03:00 - [77] All of us can afford a $3,000 Alienware system. Kid, shut the hell up. That told me all I needed to know about you. This system SHOULD HANDLE IT JUST FINE. The topic above yours is also an example of this problem.
Azhpol Gallente Casa Del Wombat	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:04:00 - [78] Edited by: Azhpol on 22/06/2011 04:04:52 Originally by: Mystic5hadow Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 03:29:11 Originally by: Mystic5hadow I think there's a problem with your system and not the game. I've run Incarna on a couple systems, both old and new, both AMD and Intel, both AMD/ATi and nVIDIA and the game runs just fine. My primary desktop: Intel Core i7 2600K @ 4.5GHz 4 Gigs DDR3-1333 Gigabyte GeForce GTX 470 with EVGA GeForce GTX 260 for two extra monitors and PhysX 120 Gig OCZ Agility 3 SSD Game runs 60FPS maxed everything just fine, temps for my CPU are normal, as is my GPU which is actually hovering around 85c which isn't bad considering it can hit 90c to 100c sometimes. I'd list the older systems but they're irrelevant. Regardless, it's probably a problem with your system. It could be Incarna, but I doubt it. It seems like Incarna is just too much for your computer to handle for some reason. Also, as for the Motherboard and GPU's frying and stuff. That's not because of Incarna. A game can't make a mobo short out and fry itself. It also can't make a GPU, which has built in protection from overheating and whatnot, to kill itself. Those were mostlikely driver issues or just idiots who don't know how to properly build and ventilate a PC. Too many people reporting overheating suddenly. The CPU load is definitely through the roof. I've checked everything on my end - did so initially. I tested other games which are WAY MORE DEMANDING than Eve is supposed to be and don't have any issues. No ... this is an EVE issue specifically. Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi If your PC failed because of this expansion then it was time to upgrade anyway. /thread Add something useful to the thread, you nimwit. I did upgrade. The hardware I am running should be able to EASILY SUPPORT Eve Incarna. It appears to be a problem with EvE and AMD CPU's for some reason. As an Intel fanboy, I'd like to say "HAHAHAHA! AMD fails and always will." but that would be mean and un-constructive. But yeah.. Seems to be an AMD issue for whatever reason. Could be because CCP and nVIDIA are sleeping in the same bed? Dunno. Either way, it sucks for AMD owners and it sucks because this will hurt them and EvE :( Whatever the issue, hopefully it can be resolved quickly. Its NOT an AMD issue, seems to mostly be happening to people with nvidia cards... Phenom II X4 975 Black @ 3.6GHz, 4G Ram @ 1333MHz, Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 with 1 gig. 2 clients working fine maxxed out, but i didn't test temps or check usage levels(just checking it out before work, they took to dam long to deploy). It DID however make all my fans scream at me for a while, so its heating WAY more than it should. Oh, and if you upgraded for this, and your gear burns out, you should still be under warranty, so there is that, unless you decided to OC your system Edit: Oh, point of reference... I can dualbox crysis 2 at max setting with less fan noise, so yeah ----------------------------------------------- I don't post on an alt, I post on my forum main!
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:04:00 - [79] I tested the undock from CQ and my CPU usage didn't change at all. Typically between 0 and 7% Tried mining in a belt, got attacked by 3 Sanshas Misshape, (I don't recall if that name is correct or not), and mined some Pyroxeres before warping back to station. CPU went up to 34% or so during the mining/fight. I don't usually watch the CPU load, so can't honestly remember if that's normal, but I suspect it's a little high as I know my CPU usually sits around 3% with EVE on the old TQ. Something I will note, and this may be important: When I first logged in to Incarna and CQ after patching, everything seemed fine. My second log in, where I tested Windowed mode and opened two clients for the test, (which yielded less than happy results of 11-18 FPS for both clients, and 35-48 FPS for one like that using max settings), was followed by Network issues. I wasn't able to access any sites on Firefox or IE9, and had to shut down my Internet connection by disabling it. Re-enabling it, I found my connection dropped shortly after. There was no change to traffic between disabling it and re-enabling it. I followed that with rebooting my Router, modem, and Gig switch and PC, and returned to a normal connection after. Resumed business as usual. It was much like I had been DDoS'd. I have since run TQ, as mentioned, and have had no further issues, though I have not run multiple clients or windowed mode. My suggestions would be the following, disregarding that: 1.)Start your client and open the escape menu from the login screen Settings tab. 2.) Disable Resource Cache 3.) Disable Depth Buffer 4.) Do not load station Environment. 5.) Use Full-screen mode and Lower your Resolution a notch, from say max. at 1920x1080 to 1680x1050 for me. Full-screen mode will give you better performance overall. ALT-TAB between clients for Multiple Clients. 6.) Login. Using this set-up, with windowed Mode instead of Full-screen, I get 60 FPS on both clients in station and undocked. Cpu hits maybe 19% briefly on undock from Jita 4-4, otherwise about 10%. Firefox is open too of course as I'm testing as I type. Best suggestion I can give for now. Results with same settings, and addition of changes: Interior Effects - Low, and Load Station Environment. Still Windowed. ~30 FPS, compared to previously at 11-18 FPS. Characters look fine. CPU peaks at about 35% Results with above, and addition of Character Creation settings: Low Quality Characters, and Texture Quality Low. Still Windowed. ~ 40 FPS. Characters clothing looks terrible. CPU peaks at about 35% Memory usage is ~3.2 GB. All other settings are high btw. Full-screen mode with last settings ~60FPS on both clients. Hope that helps.
Fi1ippo Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:05:00 - [80] Originally by: Solomon XI All of us can afford a $3,000 Alienware system. Kid, shut the hell up. That told me all I needed to know about you. This system SHOULD HANDLE IT JUST FINE. The topic above yours is also an example of this problem. Military pay check, does that say something else? oh and you forgot to look at the most important part: hint its the age of the computer. Kid. "The man behind the mask is a Maverik Letting off buck-ten shots for the hat trick." From the song Overtime (Maverik Lacrosse Commercial), by D.One. Life = Lax

Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:11:00 - [81] Bumpy.
da go	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:15:00 - [82] Originally by: Solomon XI It's not a bad system. It seems it's very badly engineered. Originally by: Solomon XI My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C. Whoever the engineer that did TDP calculations for your system, (s)he should be fired. If the specs for the CPU are 62C NOTHING but a hardware failure should allow the CPU to get above that. Not even if you push all cores to the max and beyond. Originally by: Solomon XI CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. What the hell happened? It happened that people have bought very badly engineered computers. Or maybe they were so stupid to think that building a computer means putting some fancy hardware together without doing proper engineering (I met a lot of people that self-assembled computers, but very few that knew how to actually do it properly). Do not blame CCP. Blame who designed your computer. Unless you have a defective unit, in which case just have it changed for a working one. --- I don't know! I don't know why I did it, I don't know why I enjoyed it, and I don't know why I'll do it again! Bart Simpson.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:15:00 - [83] Bump
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:19:00 - [84] Originally by: da go Originally by: Solomon XI It's not a bad system. It seems it's very badly engineered. Originally by: Solomon XI My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C. Whoever the engineer that did TDP calculations for your system, (s)he should be fired. If the specs for the CPU are 62C NOTHING but a hardware failure should allow the CPU to get above that. Not even if you push all cores to the max and beyond. Originally by: Solomon XI CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. What the hell happened? It happened that people have bought very badly engineered computers. Or maybe they were so stupid to think that building a computer means putting some fancy hardware together without doing proper engineering (I met a lot of people that self-assembled computers, but very few that knew how to actually do it properly). Do not blame CCP. Blame who designed your computer. Unless you have a defective unit, in which case just have it changed for a working one. I engineered it myself and am confident that I did everything properly. This is happening to many people. If it was just me, I could see that. But given the number of people ... I don't know.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:26:00 - [85] Bump.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:29:00 - [86] Bumping again.
Logan LaMort Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:30:00 - [87] I'm also experiencing overheating with a GTX 285 and about 25ish FPS. On Sisi I didn't encounter any overheating and CQ FPS for me was between 50 to 60. This is all on highest settings of course. The only other game that stressed my system out this much was a custom Arma 2 map, with about 500 NPC dogfighting aircraft I'll go and update my nvidia drivers, see if that helps, but something definitely seems to be wrong for certain amount of players who should be able to run CQ flawlessly and did so on sisi.
Senses Dallo	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:33:00 - [88] 1090t with a NoctD14 rog asus crosshair formula 4 5850 yesterday - could play without issue witcher2/supreme commander/WoT and .... EVE today - can play all of the above + more heavy cpu/gpu intensive games i tested ..... EXCEPT EVE Temp warnings on the mobo pinging Grrrrrrrr
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:35:00 - [89] Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 22/06/2011 04:35:05 Originally by: Logan LaMort The only other game that stressed my system out this much was a custom Arma 2 map, with about 500 NPC dogfighting aircraft Arma2 is less of a hog then EveOnline now? ROFL! WTG CCP! You must be PRO!
Syndeq	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:45:00 - [90] Edited by: Syndeq on 22/06/2011 04:46:02 Did some playing around with settings and a few other cards. The issue appears to be specific to some models of Nvidia cards while others will work perfectly fine. Could possibly be a driver issue (all my testing was done with the most recent WHQL drivers, 275.33) though most likely it is just that the default fan profile on some series Nvidia cards suck. Below are some results of my testing. Disclaimers: All tests were done with stock fan profiles (obviously cranking fans would change results, but not everyone knows how to do this). CPU is an i7 2600k which did not heat up more than expected. These tests were not done to be completely accurate. If you want better/more thorough tests, run them yourself. 470GTX: hit 92C after about 10 seconds in CQ, slowly went up from there after a few minutes. Dont really care what it maxed at as it stayed within the temp threshold for this CPU (105C per NV )... yay nvidia! 285GTX: stayed at about 74C in CQ the whole test. 9800GTX: bounced between 77C and 78C the whole time I walked around in station. HD6950: Swapped drives to a ATI review drive and popped this thing in. This card has shaders unlocked to a 6970 and is OC'd a bit. Didnt get above 65C. From this small set of tests one can conclude that the heat levels are within spec, the 400 series (or maybe just the 470's) run extremely hot and either EvE is doing something with Nvidia cards that it does not do with ATI/AMD Radeons or Nvidia cards in general just run a bit warm. TLDR: Nvidia cards with the stock fan profile may be able to fry an egg in CQ. Look into increasing fan speeds, or go by an ATI card .

Neo Omni Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:00:00 - [91] After going through this thread I now know what happened to my MB. Of course there is no way for me to prove it as I wasn't even sure myself what had happened at the time. I kept it well ventilated, never had any heat issues in the two years I had it, and even had an extra fan installed inside directed at the graphics card and chipset. Bugs, lack of content, updates and patches I can deal with and excuse. The possibility that your code is frying up my hardware, I can not. I was planning another break from EVE to avoid Incarna's growing pains, but now I know I wont be back at all. You are an incompetent software developer and deserve to go bankrupt....and you will. You all are a bunch of glorified hacks as far as I'm concerned. Call me when a competent software company that knows what they are doing buys you out and replaces your "programmers" with real professionals.
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:02:00 - [92] Originally by: Syndeq Edited by: Syndeq on 22/06/2011 04:46:02 Did some playing around with settings and a few other cards. The issue appears to be specific to some models of Nvidia cards while others will work perfectly fine. Could possibly be a driver issue (all my testing was done with the most recent WHQL drivers, 275.33) though most likely it is just that the default fan profile on some series Nvidia cards suck. Below are some results of my testing. Disclaimers: All tests were done with stock fan profiles (obviously cranking fans would change results, but not everyone knows how to do this). CPU is an i7 2600k which did not heat up more than expected. These tests were not done to be completely accurate. If you want better/more thorough tests, run them yourself. 470GTX: hit 92C after about 10 seconds in CQ, slowly went up from there after a few minutes. Dont really care what it maxed at as it stayed within the temp threshold for this CPU (105C per NV )... yay nvidia! 285GTX: stayed at about 74C in CQ the whole test. 9800GTX: bounced between 77C and 78C the whole time I walked around in station. HD6950: Swapped drives to a ATI review drive and popped this thing in. This card has shaders unlocked to a 6970 and is OC'd a bit. Didnt get above 65C. From this small set of tests one can conclude that the heat levels are within spec, the 400 series (or maybe just the 470's) run extremely hot and either EvE is doing something with Nvidia cards that it does not do with ATI/AMD Radeons or Nvidia cards in general just run a bit warm. TLDR: Nvidia cards with the stock fan profile may be able to fry an egg in CQ. Look into increasing fan speeds, or go by an ATI card . Your answer is right here: SSAO is disabled on all video cards except NVIDIA cards. ILR is disabled on Windows XP machines that use ATI GPUÆs. Depth effects on Macs with ATI cards are disabled. See my post here for effects of changes to client performance. I didn't mention, but with all those changes, my GPU was running at a steady 53c as usual. Prior to changes, with 2 clients running in Windowed mode, or single client in Full-screen mode, my GPU was hitting ~67c tops. For reference, it's an EVGA 460 GTX SC. CPU usage is high, without a doubt, capping at ~38% through all tests and play. Obviously, client-side load has gotten higher, and some optimizations would be helpful. 32% is about the max I hit in Brink in full combat with max settings.
adriaans Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:05:00 - [93] My GPU (8800GT (yeah it's getting old, but still runs everything in the gaming world just fine at 60 fps)), doesn't have any temperature issues, didn't really go higher than 50-55 (depends where I'm looking in CQ). It's not a stock fan though, however it's only about 10-15C lower than a stock fan. My processor however is GOING UTTERLY INSANELY HOT! I got a quad 9850 BE, while also somewhat aging hits 60C after 10 minutes with the fan running at full speeds (61C is reccomended max, and silicon really doesn't like extended temperatures over 60 anyway), UNDOCKED and it's running at lower 40's, bouncing a bit between 41-44C. Not to mention when docked and in CQ my CPU USAGE IS AT 50-60%!!!!! WTF!!!?!?!??? Undocked doesn't come even remotely close to that when running 3(!) clients opposed to merely 1 in CQ! I havn't had the guts to see what running three clients in CQ would do to my CPU temps.... --signature-- My latest pvp video: Link
Syndeq	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:14:00 - [94] Originally by: Mars Theran Your answer is right here: SSAO is disabled on all video cards except NVIDIA cards. ILR is disabled on Windows XP machines that use ATI GPUÆs. Depth effects on Macs with ATI cards are disabled. See my post here for effects of changes to client performance. I didn't mention, but with all those changes, my GPU was running at a steady 53c as usual. Prior to changes, with 2 clients running in Windowed mode, or single client in Full-screen mode, my GPU was hitting ~67c tops. For reference, it's an EVGA 460 GTX SC. CPU usage is high, without a doubt, capping at ~38% through all tests and play. Obviously, client-side load has gotten higher, and some optimizations would be helpful. 32% is about the max I hit in Brink in full combat with max settings. Correct on SSAO, other 2 would not apply as I am on Win7. As I mentioned, I didnt give it much thought, just ran a few tests on cards I had sitting on my desk. If I implied that I had an issue with the temps then that was incorrect. It is still somewhat surprising the amount of temp increase only for SSAO if that is the only factor. My thought is that is only a part of it as it did not seem this bad on sisi. The main point of my post though was that the temps are within Nvidia's max temp limit and that people should look into changing the garbage stock fan profile.
Syndeq	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:16:00 - [95] Originally by: adriaans My GPU (8800GT (yeah it's getting old, but still runs everything in the gaming world just fine at 60 fps)), doesn't have any temperature issues, didn't really go higher than 50-55 (depends where I'm looking in CQ). It's not a stock fan though, however it's only about 10-15C lower than a stock fan. My processor however is GOING UTTERLY INSANELY HOT! I got a quad 9850 BE, while also somewhat aging hits 60C after 10 minutes with the fan running at full speeds (61C is reccomended max, and silicon really doesn't like extended temperatures over 60 anyway), UNDOCKED and it's running at lower 40's, bouncing a bit between 41-44C. Not to mention when docked and in CQ my CPU USAGE IS AT 50-60%!!!!! WTF!!!?!?!??? Undocked doesn't come even remotely close to that when running 3(!) clients opposed to merely 1 in CQ! I havn't had the guts to see what running three clients in CQ would do to my CPU temps.... See Mars Theran's link in the post above yours. The card does not support certain things the game uses and is being offloaded to the CPU. Going through those steps should help a bit (they certainly wont hurt).
adriaans Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:24:00 - [96] Originally by: Syndeq Originally by: adriaans My GPU (8800GT (yeah it's getting old, but still runs everything in the gaming world just fine at 60 fps)), doesn't have any temperature issues, didn't really go higher than 50-55 (depends where I'm looking in CQ). It's not a stock fan though, however it's only about 10-15C lower than a stock fan. My processor however is GOING UTTERLY INSANELY HOT! I got a quad 9850 BE, while also somewhat aging hits 60C after 10 minutes with the fan running at full speeds (61C is reccomended max, and silicon really doesn't like extended temperatures over 60 anyway), UNDOCKED and it's running at lower 40's, bouncing a bit between 41-44C. Not to mention when docked and in CQ my CPU USAGE IS AT 50-60%!!!!! WTF!!!?!?!??? Undocked doesn't come even remotely close to that when running 3(!) clients opposed to merely 1 in CQ! I havn't had the guts to see what running three clients in CQ would do to my CPU temps.... See Mars Theran's link in the post above yours. The card does not support certain things the game uses and is being offloaded to the CPU. Going through those steps should help a bit (they certainly wont hurt). Yeah noticed it right after posting ^^ It's pretty much what I ended up at after a little fiddling around... CPU still gets too hot after a long period when using CQ though... Not that I'm a big fan of it, but still would've been nice to be able to use something I most certainly meet requirements for (and only heat of cpu being the issue)... --signature-- My latest pvp video: Link
Nykky Syxx	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:24:00 - [97] I'm rocking an old E4400 CPU and 9800GT card. And CQ has not been a MUCH of a problem. In station, one client, 35-50 FPS on medium settings. Two clients, about 15 FPS. Two clients, in space, 50-60 FPS. My card temp heated to a toasty 90C when I first loaded CQ, but no longer goes above 78-80 (regardless of number of clients and whether or not in station).
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:19:00 - [98] BUMP.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:24:00 - [99] CCP Dev paying attention?
Lelob	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:25:00 - [100] Be careful about offering help in this thread people, before you know it, it might cost you 99$ or 1 monocle+skirt.

Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:46:00 - [101] Bump.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:01:00 - [102] Bump.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:11:00 - [103] bumpidy bump bump.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:24:00 - [104] Bump. I'm also going to bed. However don't mistake this for the end of this topic. When I awaken, I shall commence further carpet bombing of this thread. Until I receive an honest reply from a Developer, I will maintain this thread. I swear it. Goodnight CCP & thank you for breaking Eve again.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:33:00 - [105] Hm. Still no developer response. Figures.
octahexx Charante	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:40:00 - [106] bump somethings wrong with eve and amd cpus
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:02:00 - [107] Bump.
LordInvisible Gallente Nova Ardour	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:07:00 - [108] Same here: Core i7 HD 5850 with 1GB VRAM 8GB RAM Before incarna with FOUR (4!!) clients running cpu was around 30% usage with 49¦ avg temp. After incarna with ONE (1!!!!one) client running cpu is at 45% usage with 52¦avg temp. I'm scared to use my other three accounts at this time.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "For me EvE wasn't that much fun, many ppl refer to it as a nicely designed database front-end and that
Zephyr Paseshift Gallente Solar Imperia	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:10:00 - [109] Just checked out CQ, normally my GPU-temp is between 60C & 70C when playing eve but now it hits 85c with 2 clients. I have a GTX275
Jim Bond Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:12:00 - [110] I think CCP has been testing this expansion on PS3 specced machines and have got mixed up with Dust.

Daelorn	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:13:00 - [111] Originally by: LordInvisible Same here: Core i7 HD 5850 with 1GB VRAM 8GB RAM Before incarna with FOUR (4!!) clients running cpu was around 30% usage with 49¦ avg temp. After incarna with ONE (1!!!!one) client running cpu is at 45% usage with 52¦avg temp. I'm scared to use my other three accounts at this time.. Why? Your CPU should be able to handle 100% load and whatever temperature that brings. Otherwise your cooling is inadequate. This goes for all your components. If they can not handle being run at 100% all day then it is NOT CCP's problem. Also 52 is really low anyways. If you're having overheating problems its because your cooling is bad, dust, improperly seated heat sink, etc. Its not like CCP can make your processor use 105% of itself.
The Snowman Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:20:00 - [112] The temperatures and CPU usage im getting isnt anywhere near what I get from all the other mmo's I play. I didnt buy a high spec machine to have it running at 30% capacity.
Temerit	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:26:00 - [113] Windows 7 x64 i7 720 with more than adequate cooling 4GB high quality RAM Radeon 5870 with newest drivers Motherboard temperature monitor kicked in and instantly turned off my computer, saving CCP from having to buy me new hardware. I'm one of the lucky ones. Incarna is trash.
Imiarr Timshae Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:33:00 - [114] I will also be ensuring this thread gets attention. I play on a laptop that has heat issues already, so I keep it on a stand to improve airflow below it. Pre-Patch I'd open Eve and the core temp would go up from about 45-50c to about 65c accross about 15-20mins. If it got over 65c really it'd just turn off. (Literally like power-off). Post-Patch, open Eve. Temperature increases by about 5c within a minute, power-offs in less than 5. I will be looking at playing something that isn't made by idiots. ----- Originally by: GM Horse Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things. Originally by: CCP Shadow Tragic smelting accidents.
Dotanaski	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:38:00 - [115] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 02:25:20 Originally by: Morgenholt Blue Originally by: Solomon XI CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. This is not CCP's fault. This is your own fault for not having sufficient cooling in your PC. And you sir ... are an absolute idiot. Read the original post and you'll see that I DO IN FACT have proper cooling. 12 case fans. Noctua heatsink (which is comparable to liquid almost). It is NOT an issue on my end. My system has plenty of cooling. My heatsink is also properly mounted. I'm not an idiot. You know it's not only the cooling that decreases the temperature, it's the casing aswell. I have the same cooling as you, yet I'm using a CoolerMaster casing which is designed for games, they're larger and has more room between everything which means it's etter cooled. However I haven't booted Incarna yet. Hearing this i'm quite scared that my new pc, which i bought for Incarna might not even run it o.o 6gig ram AMD Phenom2 X4 840 3,20GHz ATI HD 6770 1GB CoolerMaster Casing, 6 large CoolerMaster vents and the card is selfcooled aswell :c
EioPago	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:42:00 - [116] My cpu never went past 40 C before Incarna (average room temp of about 25 C). This morning when I first tried loaded Incarna it went straight to 45 C (room temp below 20 C). OP is 100% right.
Jaxom Asgard	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:46:00 - [117] Edited by: Jaxom Asgard on 22/06/2011 08:46:43 Originally by: Daelorn Originally by: LordInvisible If you're having overheating problems its because your cooling is bad, dust, improperly seated heat sink, etc. Its not like CCP can make your processor use 105% of itself. Sadly not necessarily the case ask NVDIA about there Nvidia 196.75 GPU drivers, it's possible another issue like this has been uncovered. Hopefully it's being investigated, rather than ignore as 'poor configuration'.
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:54:00 - [118] lol, havent even got arround to update my client yet, thanks to ccp extending extended downtime (no suprise there) and some network issue with my isp (suprise here). But anyways, sounds like eve could be hazardous to hardware in some cases, witch then again open ccp for lawsuits. After all it was their application that caused overheat. Have to put on extra monitoring on my computer just to make sure eve dosent fry it, yes i dont have money to buy new computer if this one burns. Sounds like eves QA department is on early vacation indefinetly then. Cant believe they didint run into overhating issue with all that donated test hardware.
Daelorn	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:57:00 - [119] Originally by: Imiarr Timshae I will also be ensuring this thread gets attention. I play on a laptop that has heat issues already, so I keep it on a stand to improve airflow below it. Pre-Patch I'd open Eve and the core temp would go up from about 45-50c to about 65c accross about 15-20mins. If it got over 65c really it'd just turn off. (Literally like power-off). Post-Patch, open Eve. Temperature increases by about 5c within a minute, power-offs in less than 5. I will be looking at playing something that isn't made by idiots. How about buying something that isn't made by idiots. For some reason laptop makers make laptops (and get away) that can't handle 100% load from the GPU and CPU. This has NOTHING to do with CCP.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:57:00 - [120] Laptop got hot within minutes, fan screaming, so just turned eve off, and yeah i know its a laptop but its not even a year old yet and aint cheap. I could run eve yesterday and now i cant as i dont want to risk wrecking my pc. And on top of this im just finishing my free trial and had just paid for my sub if i knew eve would have run like this on my laptop i wouldnt have subbed

LordInvisible Gallente Nova Ardour	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:04:00 - [121] Originally by: Daelorn Originally by: LordInvisible Same here: Core i7 HD 5850 with 1GB VRAM 8GB RAM Before incarna with FOUR (4!!) clients running cpu was around 30% usage with 49¦ avg temp. After incarna with ONE (1!!!!one) client running cpu is at 45% usage with 52¦avg temp. I'm scared to use my other three accounts at this time.. Why? Your CPU should be able to handle 100% load and whatever temperature that brings. Otherwise your cooling is inadequate. This goes for all your components. If they can not handle being run at 100% all day then it is NOT CCP's problem. Also 52 is really low anyways. If you're having overheating problems its because your cooling is bad, dust, improperly seated heat sink, etc. Its not like CCP can make your processor use 105% of itself. Did u even read what i wrote? The point is that there is high increase of both load and temperatures from running 4 clients before and ONE client now. I didnt not run 4 clients yet. Ohh, and maybe i dont want eve burning 100% of my cpu, some of us multitask and for example photoshop takes some of my cpu activity with it too. And dont give me ** about play only eve or do other stuff: i have 3 monitors to use and EvE is boring lately. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "For me EvE wasn't that much fun, many ppl refer to it as a nicely designed database front-end** and that
Marshiro	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:12:00 - [122] Dual box on laptop caused it to shut down due to overheat. Win7 32bit T4400 Radeon HD4570 2GB RAM
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:15:00 - [123] Originally by: Marshiro Dual box on laptop caused it to shut down due to overheat. Win7 32bit T4400 Radeon HD4570 2GB RAM That means the cooling on the laptop is unable to handle the max TDP of all its components. Either due to dust, failure of fans, failure of thermal paste, design failure (MANY seem to assume that MAX TDP will never be reached) Or a combination. NOT CCPs fault.
caldar ian Final Destination.	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:15:00 - [124] Incarna fried my pc last night. Motherboard: CPU Type DualCore AMD Athlon 64 X2, 3000 MHz (15 x 200) 6000+ NF520T ASUS Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce 6100-4xx, AMD Hammer Video Adapter ATI Radeon hd5700 4gb RAM
Ryback Storm	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:15:00 - [125] Had to post to clear up a few misconceptions. EVE Cannot cause your CPU/GPU to overheat, only inadequate cooling, over-volting or other hardware issues can. The client may be resource-hungry now but that has no bearing on your system stability. If your machine is unable to handle 100% usage of its components then it's no fault of CCP. I suggest you download some benchmarking/stability testing tools and tweak your setup. It's not possible for EVE to increase your CPU, GPU, MB voltage etc or anything else that would increase the temperature beyond stable levels, that's not how a PC works.
Ter'nak	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:16:00 - [126] You know, I'm usually the first to be bashing CCP in threads like this, and I pretty much hate every aspect of CQ as it stands today. WiS would be fine, walking in an ugly room isn't. But anyway. I've got a laptop. It's three years old. I get 30fps in-station (windowed, 1440x900), vsync-capped outside. My GPU is... Oh, 75-80 degrees C or so, and my CPU is 51 degrees in space and ~60 in-station. None of my fans are even screaming, like they often do in many games. And before you go whining about my temperature being high - well, I've had GPU temps of 100 degrees C. Yes, my video card burns out every 12-18 months or so, but warranties are nice. Looks like you just need to cool your rig properly, and EVE cannot magically make it hotter than everything else - if your CPU can't stand sitting at 100% for extended periods, you've really mucked up your build. Also, while I haven't kept up to speed on AMD CPUs lately (because, well, AMD hasn't kept up to speed on the performance), it'd truly shock and surprise me if it had a Tjmax of 62 degrees C. If it really has, either AMD is overvolting their CPUs something fierce from the factory, or it's so cautiously specced it's silly. Also, lol. Your desktop with 12 fans runs hotter than my laptop with three, and at roughly the same speed. (2x8800mGTX, C2D T9500)
Daelorn	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:17:00 - [127] Originally by: LordInvisible Originally by: Daelorn Originally by: LordInvisible Same here: Core i7 HD 5850 with 1GB VRAM 8GB RAM Before incarna with FOUR (4!!) clients running cpu was around 30% usage with 49¦ avg temp. After incarna with ONE (1!!!!one) client running cpu is at 45% usage with 52¦avg temp. I'm scared to use my other three accounts at this time.. Why? Your CPU should be able to handle 100% load and whatever temperature that brings. Otherwise your cooling is inadequate. This goes for all your components. If they can not handle being run at 100% all day then it is NOT CCP's problem. Also 52 is really low anyways. If you're having overheating problems its because your cooling is bad, dust, improperly seated heat sink, etc. Its not like CCP can make your processor use 105% of itself. Did u even read what i wrote? The point is that there is high increase of both load and temperatures from running 4 clients before and ONE client now. I didnt not run 4 clients yet. Ohh, and maybe i dont want eve burning 100% of my cpu, some of us multitask and for example photoshop takes some of my cpu activity with it too. And dont give me ** about play only eve or do other stuff: i have 3 monitors to use and EvE is boring lately. I read what you wrote. You know what there is a increase in load? Because Incarna uses a new engine and its more demanding than anything else in EVE... more maybe its just poorly coded! Ohh guess what? I use photoshop too! But you know how computers work right? Even under 100% CPU they can multitask! You have 3 monitors? Congratu-**ing-lations for putting some useless info. If EVE is boring you then what are you still doing here? Heres a link to account management. Go cancel.
WisdomLikeSilence The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:19:00 - [128] Windows 7 64bit 8800 GTX 4 gigs ram Im getting 32 FPS in station and the usual 60 outside on interval one. Thats with everything on high and antialiasing on medium. No fans whirring, no temp increase. And its a fairly old DELL xps 720. Happy camper.
Jaxom Asgard	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:33:00 - [129] While it might be poorly configured hardware that is causing the issues people are reporting, it might equally be that in some cases the new graphics engine, drivers and hardware might be combining to causing issues, as these nvidia drivers did, NOT everyone had issues but there were a lot of people that burnt out graphics cards because of these drivers. Cooked Graphic cards due to bad drivers
Zora'e Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:37:00 - [130] Originally by: Zachstar Originally by: Marshiro Dual box on laptop caused it to shut down due to overheat. Win7 32bit T4400 Radeon HD4570 2GB RAM That means the cooling on the laptop is unable to handle the max TDP of all its components. Either due to dust, failure of fans, failure of thermal paste, design failure (MANY seem to assume that MAX TDP will never be reached) Or a combination. NOT CCPs fault. Zachstar let me ask you something. If there is nothing wrong with this expansion then explain to my why my work system handles space fine, but gets dangerously hot running cq, and my home system runs space worse but runs cq better? Specs below reposted from another thread: My work system: Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Thermaltake Xaser VI ATX Full-Tower Case (5 140mm fans and 2 120mm fans) GIGABYTE GA-870A-USB3 AMD 870 Motherboard AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition AM3 CPU Thermaltake CLP0564 Frio Dual 120mm Universal CPU Cooler Corsair XMS PC10600 RAM - 8GB, DDR3 Coolmax CL-700B CL Power Supply EVGA GeForce GTX 465 1gig superclocked GPU Zalman VF3000F GPU cooler. This is my work machine. I brought it home to run Incarna. It still gets hot even with non stock CPU and GPU cooling, 7 case fans and cleaned out of all dust and insects (found an 8" long dead centipede in the case lol). CPU isn't overclocked, and GPU is factory overclocked. Now, my 'normal' home machine isn't quite as nice. And surprisingly, it runs Incarna cooler than my work machine, probably because I have the case open with a desk fan directed into the case to help get cooler air to the CPU and GPU cooling fans. My home system: Windows 7 Home Premiu x64 Standard ATX Midcase, no bells or whistles. Asus M2N-SLI <Green> Motherboard (yeah I know, it's old) AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ (2 CPUs), ~2.6GHz (ditto) ZEROtherm Butterfly BTF90 CPU cooler 8gigs DDR2 PC6400-800 ram EVGA GT430 1 gig card Here is the kicker. My work machine runs worse than my home machine with lower frames per second while docked. Runs hotter (unless I open the case and direct the desk fan into it, and then the temps are only marginally hotter due to a more powerful system overall). In space is where the real difference shows up. My work system smokes my home system massively in space. Full graphics, three clients, no hiccups or lag. Dock, and that is where the excrement hits the rotating air distribution device and sprays it all over. Heat skyrockets in both the CPU and GPU (CPU to almost dangerous levels). In space my home system handles two clients with minimal graphics 'ok' whereas before I could run three clients with medium graphics w/o a hitch, and three clients with maxxed graphics with not real issues. Just seems to me that there is deff a problem here and I am buggered if I can figure out wtf it is. I KNOW my cooling is sufficient on my work machine, and that the air movement within the case is more than enough to keep things cool. shakes head. Meh. -

joshua mckayne Amarr Midnight Clockwork The Obsidian Front	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:45:00 - [131] im using a intel Q9550 overclocked to 3.4gz 8GB RAM NVIDIA GTX 480 and of course windows 7 x64 no problems here, actually runs a lot cooler than when i play crysis 2 and if anything i hardly detected any changes. the only newish part in my computer in the last 2 years is my graphics card and even then temps are well below spec on max graphics. if you lose hardware to this game i must hand my hat off to you for being incompetent at overclocking or simply designing a bad computer. to those complaining on the high temps with intel or nvidia hardware, suck it easy. intel temps on my old hardware average at 45-50C and as far as the new processors from intel are concerned those absolutely frigid temperatures. Nvidia gtx 480/580 average at above 60-90C depending on load and clock speeds.
Joroc Senbel Caldari Senbel Technologies	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:03:00 - [132] Originally by: Solomon XI CCP, I've been playing Eve Online since 2007 and absolutely love your game. It's a wonderful Science Fiction MMO and I can't wait to see where your vision takes us in the future. However, I have an extremely serious problem and so do many others if you read the forums a bit. First of all, I built a new system anticipating Incarna. Specifications posted below. Windows7 x64 4GB RAM nVidia EVGA GTX 460 Phenom II X4 940 QC B/E It's not a bad system. Air cooled. Case has 12 fans in it. Decent heat-sink to boot (Noctua). Should handle Eve Online Incarna pretty well right? WRONG. Before Incarna, I was getting roughly 60 FPS undocked and average a CPU temp of around 38C-45C during engagements with all effects on and the best graphics. Even more FPS and less CPU overload if I had everything turned to the lowest settings & effects completely turned off. Now let's talk about Incarna. With max graphics turned on, I dropped down to around 30FPS in QC and my CPU overhead went through the roof. My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C. My GPU sounded like a Ferarri during that period. Ok, whatever. I didn't load station enviroment and turned all settings back to extremely low. Undocked. CPU OVERHEAD INCREASED 6x from what it used to be. Sitting UNDOCKED with no effects and low graphics =58% CPU load wtf? I was idling at 53C on my CPU and 60FPS. CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. What the hell happened? I have pretty much the exact same system, with the exception of the Phenom II with an i5 instead. Incarna runs like a freakin champ. GPU temp 62 full settings.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:47:00 - [133] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 22/06/2011 10:51:03 In an ideal world PC makers would build rigs that are designed to cope with 100% CPU & GPU load for unlimited time. In practice PC makers like to cut costs wherever possible and as most users will never put 100% load on their rig for more than short spikes skipping on cooling is an obvious choice. (customers also like quiet PCs and quiet & powerful cooling tends to be expensive) At the very least since the SC2 issues game developers are aware that many of their customers have setups that cannot cope with 100% GPU load. For the customer it doesn't matter whether the game did cause the overheating or whether it just triggered a condition that is due to bad PC design/engineering. As long as the customer experience in EVE is worse than in other games (which probably don't push the hardware to its limits) this is CCP's problem - no matter who "really" is at fault.
Romay	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:30:00 - [134] So let me put this straight: Some of you guys bought cars. Said cars have a top speed of 100mph. At 30-60mph, your tires came off and you crashed. Now you are blaming the guy from the gas station, imputing his fuel was souped up. Yeah, makes perfectly sense. Guys there is something like a TDP for every component in your PC. NO SOFTWARE WHATSOEVER is able to fry a properly engineered rig as long as it doesn't tamper with system settings. This is not how software works. A properly built rig should handle 100% load on all cores as well as on the GPU for days. If it doesn't then it is ill designed and would have blown up sooner or later anyways. Consider the following options: 1. your rig is full of dust and needs to be cleaned 2. you built your rig yourself without knowing enough about proper cooling 3. you got ripped off with some OC'd components or under-dimensioned cooling
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:56:00 - [135] What it comes down to is improper coding on CCP's part. The fact is a station environment should not push a Phenom II X4 to it's limit so quickly. No other game I know of does that, not even Crysis. I want a CCP Developer's response to this thread. Commencing daily thread-naught.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:58:00 - [136] Bump.
Neo Omni Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:00:00 - [137] Originally by: Solomon XI What it comes down to is improper coding on CCP's part. The fact is a station environment should not push a Phenom II X4 to it's limit so quickly. No other game I know of does that, not even Crysis. I want a CCP Developer's response to this thread. Commencing daily thread-naught. I'm with you Solomon. Four days left in my sub. I would like CCP to address these complaints in a professional manner and not sweep it under the rug. I'm just glad my MB was still under warranty (36 months). But I refuse to fire up Incarna gain with it and wont trust CCP again with any other product until there is a change in management/coders. Which means I wont be back.
SilentSkills Gallente Tax Evaders Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:07:00 - [138] Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence Windows 7 64bit 8800 GTX 4 gigs ram Im getting 32 FPS in station and the usual 60 outside on interval one. Thats with everything on high and antialiasing on medium. No fans whirring, no temp increase. And its a fairly old DELL xps 720. Happy camper. Your cheating..., 8800gtx is no weak card :)
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:12:00 - [139] BUMP.
eXeCutA	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:19:00 - [140] FREE BUMP

Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:24:00 - [141] Bump.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:32:00 - [142] Bump.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:36:00 - [143] bump
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:39:00 - [144] b u m p.
Ana Vyr Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:40:00 - [145] Windows 7 64 bit AMD PHENOM II X4 AM3 965 3.4 GHz ASUS EAH 5770 CU CORE, 1GB, DDR5 (graphics card ATI chipset) Nothing to report here. Incarna ran fine with all settings maxed. SC2 taxes this system more than incarna does.
Reeno Coleman	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:44:00 - [146] confirming, CQ is drawing far too much graphics performance for some reason. GF 470 GTX runs high settings with 60fps capped at 95% peak performance (thats jet engine mode). Considering, there's not really much to see, that is unacceptable. Compared to CQ, my rig is almost "idling" when runnning games like SC2, Witcher2, Crysis2,... Which feature is it that tries to kill my GPU?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:47:00 - [147] Confirming that Crysis 2 gets better FPS compared to the EVE CQ environment at maxed-out graphics settings for both. Welcome to some time ago - what to do so CQ isn't universally hated. CQ is sort of nice, I guess. But lack of options, mandatory nature = INSTAHATE You guys never listen early enough nor make noise strong enough when it matters. Guess what, even the "(do not) load station environment" is supposed to be TEMPORARY only. Quick recap, in case CCP insists on keeping CQ the default environment : * MANDATORY - separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently * MANDATORY - keep the ESC menu option to not load any environment at all * STRONGLY PREFERRED - add some even lower graphics detail levels for CQ * OPTIONAL BUT HIGHLY DESIRABLE - do not delete the current hangar environments AND make them an alternative (default disabled) via the ESC menu _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Vult	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:49:00 - [148] Oh quit your whining... Laptop: i7-720QM 6GB DDR3 ATI 4850 1GB GDDR5 dedicated 50-60 fps in space. 20-30 fps in CQ. All settings maxed. Proc and mobo run a warm 60-ish celcius with graphics on full with Incarna. Fan on the graphics card side of the laptop runs full tilt for obvious reasons. Fan on the processor side runs at idle speed, sometimes the next step up if it's processing a bunch of stuff. Desktop: Antec 900 case i7-950 with a ridiculous Thermaltake Frio heatsink and 2x 120mm fans on the heatsink alone 6GB DDR3 nVidia GTX275 (I know, bottleneck) Bunch of other crap 60 fps in space. 40-ish fps in CQ with everything maxed. tl;dr: My stuff runs fine. No overheating. If your stuff overheats, you're a noob for blaming Eve. lrn2cool, plskthx. --- I used to have a sig that was haxx0red by an old moderator... but I changed it since no one has those haxx0red sigs anymore and the mod has left the building.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:52:00 - [149] Looking for a CCP Developer to chime in. BUMP.
KurnKuku Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:56:00 - [150] Go to the official thread, rather than demanding a response in your own like a two year old demanding a toy.

L Salander	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:59:00 - [151] Delete boot.uni Make such problematic and unoptimised code that cpus/gpus burn out Seriously CCP... wtf
Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:01:00 - [152] Originally by: Reft Ar'en 6GB RAM Phenom II x4 @ 3.4GHz 9800 GT 1gb - Running @ 55 FPS, temps normal, fans normal, everything normal. CPU load.... Normal. GPU load, less then Crysis, less then Modern Warfare, less then ANNO. What da problem is? +1 i have 8 gb DDRs RAM Phenom II x4 965 GTX 280 My temps havent changed at all
crymyname	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:09:00 - [153] run a q6600 @3.8 water cooled temps have gone to 56deg c!!! 5790 ati temps up .. but my power draw has floored me my 12v rail which was 12.4v has dropped to 11.7v NO OTHER THING ON MY PC CAN DO THIS ..... somthing is wrong some where ccp .. plz check your power draw ..
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:19:00 - [154] I have posted in a topic which seems to have Dev activity and asked them to grace us with their presence. Let us hope.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:25:00 - [155] Bump.
Nathal Kryos Mean Corp Mean Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:30:00 - [156] bump
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:31:00 - [157] Bump.
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:34:00 - [158] Hi, I heard there were nice bumps in here.
KurnKuku Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:35:00 - [159] Post in the official 'Issues' thread rather than expecting CCP to conform to your arrogant demands, and thus having to keep track of every idiots 'thread of rant'. I hear they are ignoring this thread deliberately because you are an idiot.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:37:00 - [160] It is posted in the main thread. I'm still not going to let this one die.

Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:44:00 - [161] /me pokes CCP.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:56:00 - [162] Bump.
FelicitaZ	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:57:00 - [163] Bump. My GTX 295 is also running much more hot than before Incarna (only while walking around [70¦]). Incredible hardware requirements.. ;)
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:59:00 - [164] they aint gunna blue bar this they are ignoring it because they know there is a problem and dont know what to do
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:08:00 - [165] I can only reiterate what I said earlier: Please, CCP, do NOT 'fix the crushing heat problems in the hardware.' People with crappy hardware should just lower their graphical settings. Period. As for myself, my GTX 580 runs at a cool 42C, with everything maxed out at 1920x1200; and my i7 980X hovers around 10-15% CPU load. So all is well. I love the new shiny CQ look, and I'd don't like to see it nerfed again, pretty please. --
Nak hak	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:08:00 - [166] Bumpy
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:09:00 - [167] Then this topic will remain on the front page of Eve General discussion for a very long time to come.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:14:00 - [168] Originally by: Ranka Mei I can only reiterate what I said earlier: Please, CCP, do NOT 'fix the crushing heat problems in the hardware.' People with crappy hardware should just lower their graphical settings. Period. As for myself, my GTX 580 runs at a cool 42C, with everything maxed out at 1920x1200; and my i7 980X hovers around 10-15% CPU load. So all is well. I love the new shiny CQ look, and I'd don't like to see it nerfed again, pretty please. its people with high spec stuff that are getting the problem as well, so crappy hardware and lowering setting aint the fix
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:14:00 - [169] Bump.
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:16:00 - [170] My hardware performance was normal when out of station, so I hope it only affects CQ, and I hope nobody damaged their machines over this nuisance!

Desya Dak'ann Caldari No Ducks Allowed	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:17:00 - [171] My laptop GPU nearly melted, it was sitting at 134C before my laptop's safe guard finally kicked in and shut it down.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:18:00 - [172] Originally by: Strrog My hardware performance was normal when out of station, so I hope it only affects CQ, and I hope nobody damaged their machines over this nuisance! Some people have reported their CPU burned, some people have reported their GPU's being murdered, and a motherboard died apparently. BTW --- Bump.
Mary Maintaince	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:20:00 - [173] Was just hitting back on the couch in the QC with 60fps and reading all the fps and cpu/gpu temp issues and what not. I have to say I don't feel your pain even with my old desktop: Win 7 x64 GA-MA790FX-DQ AMD Phenom [email protected] ATI Radeon HD3870 4GB RAM Even this old thing has no real problem running CQ it can even manage full graphics, around 20 fps or so, but can't really expect more from the old thing. I have to say I don't see the difference between temps or fps from pre incarna and now. The only difference that pops to mind is that the old Aura sounded way cooler. Fly safe
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:21:00 - [174] Originally by: leth ghost its people with high spec stuff that are getting the problem as well, so crappy hardware and lowering setting aint the fix I really only heard of AMD issues (which are plenty, lol; boy, did ppl with those cards get nerfed or what?!). And a GTX4xx series card, like the TS has, yep, those run notoriously hot. Honestly, though, I would hate for CCP to lower the graphical settings on CQ again. Perhaps they can introduce an 'even lower' setting or something. But CQ, to be immersive, needs to look shiny. Otherwise we might just as well have kept the old spinning hangar. --
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:24:00 - [175] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: leth ghost its people with high spec stuff that are getting the problem as well, so crappy hardware and lowering setting aint the fix I really only heard of AMD issues (which are plenty, lol; boy, did ppl with those cards get nerfed or what?!). And a GTX4xx series card, like the TS has, yep, those run notoriously hot. Honestly, though, I would hate for CCP to lower the graphical settings on CQ again. Perhaps they can introduce an 'even lower' setting or something. But CQ, to be immersive, needs to look shiny. Otherwise we might just as well have kept the old spinning hangar. I have a decent setup and can play all games on highest quality. Eve is the exception with QC and it's a CCP coding issue. They screwed up somewhere. The issue isn't my GPU ... it's my CPU temps.
Shepard Book	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:29:00 - [176] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Strrog My hardware performance was normal when out of station, so I hope it only affects CQ, and I hope nobody damaged their machines over this nuisance! Some people have reported their CPU burned, some people have reported their GPU's being murdered, and a motherboard died apparently. BTW --- Bump. This is what petitions and the incarna feedback thread is for in the information portal.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:32:00 - [177] Originally by: Shepard Book Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Strrog My hardware performance was normal when out of station, so I hope it only affects CQ, and I hope nobody damaged their machines over this nuisance! Some people have reported their CPU burned, some people have reported their GPU's being murdered, and a motherboard died apparently. BTW --- Bump. This is what petitions and the incarna feedback thread is for in the information portal. And it's mentioned in the appropriate threads as well but is being completely ignored. This isn't a simple issue. This is a VERY BIG issue.
Warpshade	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:32:00 - [178] Edited by: Warpshade on 22/06/2011 17:33:51 Edited by: Warpshade on 22/06/2011 17:33:19 Whilest my Rig is in no danger of over heating, the temps have definately shot up with CQ. My liquid cooled I7 950 is going bwteen 55-60C in CQ but the CPU doesnt seem any more active than before yet the temp is up? My 460GTX 1GB is hitting 80C and no game I have played yet has made it hit that... Whilest is was nice candy to the game to walk around station, Im not unnecessarily heating my machine up when it doesnt need to be, and having to put up with the fans going like a hairdryer just to to be docked in a station. so ive had to turn CQ off
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:35:00 - [179] I'm starting to see Intel reports too so I am doubting this is a direct AMD issue... CCP developers care to chime in?
Jefferson H Clay	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:36:00 - [180] Originally by: OverlordY oh an intel fanboy, be gone. csb time. I had an XP 1700+ one day whilst playing a game it started to thermal alarm. Insert a long winded tale of dremel, fans, arctic silver and such. Never did quite fix the problem. Talking to others they experienced the same problems with the 1700+. I saw similar behaviour from an AMD64 3400+ I had. end csb. If you want endurance then Intel is the way to go. But I do admit AMD's bang for buck is very hard to beat.

Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:40:00 - [181] Still looking for a Dev.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:43:00 - [182] Weird that people are having problems. I'm not. In fact, the fan on my EVGA Classified GTX 590 barely spools up when I'm in CQ. That's at 1920x1200, all settings maxed. The cooler sitting on the i7 2600k same thing. A mere whisper. The fan in the Corsair AX1200 power supply. Idling along nowhere near max. I have to say I was quite impressed with the low overhead this expansion brought to the table. Whens the last time you people bought a can of air and blew the dust out of your systems? Mr Epeen
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:44:00 - [183] Originally by: Mr Epeen Weird that people are having problems. I'm not. In fact, the fan on my EVGA Classified GTX 590 barely spools up when I'm in CQ. That's at 1920x1200, all settings maxed. The cooler sitting on the i7 2600k same thing. A mere whisper. The fan in the Corsair AX1200 power supply. Idling along nowhere near max. I have to say I was quite impressed with the low overhead this expansion brought to the table. Whens the last time you people bought a can of air and blew the dust out of your systems? Mr Epeen It's a brand new system and I cleaned mine before the expansion. I'm anal about it. I blow it out daily. >_>
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:48:00 - [184] PARTIAL SOLUTION DISCOVERED ALBEIT NOT A GOOD ONE: For those who are having overheating issues, try turning your CPU and RAM voltages down slightly through the BIOs. It's not a golden arrow but it does help somewhat. -- -- -- -- -- No, I am not satisfied. I demand a CCP Developer response.
Race Drones 13th Squadron E C L I P S E	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:52:00 - [185] Originally by: Solomon XI PARTIAL SOLUTION DISCOVERED ALBEIT NOT A GOOD ONE: For those who are having overheating issues, try turning your CPU and RAM voltages down slightly through the BIOs. It's not a golden arrow but it does help somewhat. -- -- -- -- -- No, I am not satisfied. I demand a CCP Developer response. +1 BUMP !
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:58:00 - [186] +1 Bump
Dante Kesel	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:01:00 - [187] I knew there had to be an issue my cpu doesn't hit 60c unless I'm playing a newish game thats extremely cpu intensive and even then it goes back down to 55c quick (small AC Unit hooked up to the intake fans.)
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:01:00 - [188] Originally by: Dante Kesel I knew there had to be an issue my cpu doesn't hit 60c unless I'm playing a newish game thats extremely cpu intensive and even then it goes back down to 55c quick (small AC Unit hooked up to the intake fans.) Post system spec's, please.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:02:00 - [189] i think its unacceptable that you should have to change bios settings to help with a situation that you have not caused
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:04:00 - [190] Originally by: leth ghost i think its unacceptable that you should have to change bios settings to help with a situation that you have not caused As do I. I had to literally roadblock my CPU speed and RAM speed just so that I could play Incarna without overheating my system when NO OTHER GAME WHAT SO EVER taxes my system anywhere near what Eve currently is. This includes Crysis.

Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:04:00 - [191] Originally by: Solomon XI I demand a CCP Developer response. Well, aren't you a special little snowflake?
Dante Kesel	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:06:00 - [192] AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE stock cooler, 4gb's patriot ram 1300mhz, 1tb western digital blue, nvidia 460gtx 1gb palit. MSI 790fx gd70. Creative Gaming edition sound card. Haf 922 case with a 115 volt ac hooked up to the intake fans and a exhaust sytem attached to the exhausts. Windows 7 64bit pro. Normal Gaming temp with eve 51-55c now 51-53 in space 55-59 in station.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:10:00 - [193] Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 18:11:16 Originally by: Dante Kesel AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE stock cooler, 4gb's patriot ram 1300mhz, 1tb western digital blue, nvidia 460gtx 1gb palit. MSI 790fx gd70. Creative Gaming edition sound card. Haf 922 case with a 115 volt ac hooked up to the intake fans and a exhaust sytem attached to the exhausts. Windows 7 64bit pro. Normal Gaming temp with eve 51-55c now 51-53 in space 55-59 in station. You are running dangerously close to the max temp for the Pheonom which is 62C. You can tone your CPU down slightly by lowering the voltages in the BIO's. Lower the RAM voltages as well. Doing that will slow your system down (as you're losing clock speed) but does help elevate some of the heating issues temporarily. The above is not a good solution for long term. We shouldn't have to gimp our systems to play a game like this. I know of far heavier resource hog games than Eve Incarna is supposed to be. Also - stock cooler = bad. I am using an air-cooled system with a Noctua cooler and even my temps are rising significantly. And the Noctua air cool gives damn near the same performance as a liquid cool.
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:11:00 - [194] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Shepard Book Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Strrog My hardware performance was normal when out of station, so I hope it only affects CQ, and I hope nobody damaged their machines over this nuisance! Some people have reported their CPU burned, some people have reported their GPU's being murdered, and a motherboard died apparently. BTW --- Bump. This is what petitions and the incarna feedback thread is for in the information portal. And it's mentioned in the appropriate threads as well but is being completely ignored. This isn't a simple issue. This is a VERY BIG issue. I strongly agree with Solomon, this issue has indeed went above the regular bad content patch phase, now it may costs hundreds or thousands dollars to replace ALREADY BURNED hardware. Actually I never heard that a stand alone game or feature can do so much ninja damage to computers.
Kalissa Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:13:00 - [195] Windows 7 x64 Intel Quad core 2.4ghz Q6600 4MB Ram Radeon 5750 Graphics card I've got a fairly decent CPU cooler in my case, inlet & exhaust fans etc. Before Incarna I was running at about 39c and now I run about 46c Getting in CQ a frame rate of about 50. There are things about Incarna I don't like for sure but I can't say the performance of my pc has been adversely affected by it.
Dante Kesel	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:15:00 - [196] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 18:11:16 Originally by: Dante Kesel AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE stock cooler, 4gb's patriot ram 1300mhz, 1tb western digital blue, nvidia 460gtx 1gb palit. MSI 790fx gd70. Creative Gaming edition sound card. Haf 922 case with a 115 volt ac hooked up to the intake fans and a exhaust sytem attached to the exhausts. Windows 7 64bit pro. Normal Gaming temp with eve 51-55c now 51-53 in space 55-59 in station. You are running dangerously close to the max temp for the Pheonom which is 62C. You can tone your CPU down slightly by lowering the voltages in the BIO's. Lower the RAM voltages as well. Doing that will slow your system down (as you're losing clock speed) but does help elevate some of the heating issues temporarily. The above is not a good solution for long term. We shouldn't have to gimp our systems to play a game like this. I know of far heavier resource hog games than Eve Incarna is supposed to be. Also - stock cooler = bad. I am using an air-cooled system with a Noctua cooler and even my temps are rising significantly. And the Noctua air cool gives damn near the same performance as a liquid cool. I would use an aftermarket cooler if my mobo could accomodate it the heatsink base around the socket is unremovable which gimps my ability to get a different cooler so I'm stuck with what I have.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:17:00 - [197] Originally by: Dante Kesel Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 18:11:16 Originally by: Dante Kesel AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE stock cooler, 4gb's patriot ram 1300mhz, 1tb western digital blue, nvidia 460gtx 1gb palit. MSI 790fx gd70. Creative Gaming edition sound card. Haf 922 case with a 115 volt ac hooked up to the intake fans and a exhaust sytem attached to the exhausts. Windows 7 64bit pro. Normal Gaming temp with eve 51-55c now 51-53 in space 55-59 in station. You are running dangerously close to the max temp for the Pheonom which is 62C. You can tone your CPU down slightly by lowering the voltages in the BIO's. Lower the RAM voltages as well. Doing that will slow your system down (as you're losing clock speed) but does help elevate some of the heating issues temporarily. The above is not a good solution for long term. We shouldn't have to gimp our systems to play a game like this. I know of far heavier resource hog games than Eve Incarna is supposed to be. Also - stock cooler = bad. I am using an air-cooled system with a Noctua cooler and even my temps are rising significantly. And the Noctua air cool gives damn near the same performance as a liquid cool. I would use an aftermarket cooler if my mobo could accomodate it the heatsink base around the socket is unremovable which gimps my ability to get a different cooler so I'm stuck with what I have. Snap in pins? On the back of the motherboard, you can pinch them and pop them out. Then slip a new heat sink base/socket on.
DHuncan	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:18:00 - [198] What is unacceptable is that CCP dont show a face and explain about this, deny it or anything. You can believe the OP or not but he's a pay customer and deserves suport with any issue he may feel is experiencing. One thing is that we pay customers are used as beta testers every single expansion and patch they develop and another thing is that our computers are used as resistance test subjects. I dont like this. If the OP has a bad configuration or is doing something wrong or however the problem is on his end CCP still should rise up and explain. Dont they even care we may simply desconnect not to risk or precious hardwares?
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:20:00 - [199] Originally by: DHuncan What is unacceptable is that CCP dont show a face and explain about this, deny it or anything. You can believe the OP or not but he's a pay customer and deserves suport with any issue he may feel is experiencing. One thing is that we pay customers are used as beta testers every single expansion and patch they develop and another thing is that our computers are used as resistance test subjects. I dont like this. If the OP has a bad configuration or is doing something wrong or however the problem is on his end CCP still should rise up and explain. Dont they even care we may simply desconnect not to risk or precious hardwares? It's not just me though. Many others are also having this issue.
LIOZTH Caldari Divide By Zero Emergent Dawn	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:20:00 - [200] Friendly bump - I think enough people are having this issue that it deserves some sort of acknowledgement from a CCP dev.

Dante Kesel	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:20:00 - [201] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Dante Kesel Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 18:11:16 Originally by: Dante Kesel AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE stock cooler, 4gb's patriot ram 1300mhz, 1tb western digital blue, nvidia 460gtx 1gb palit. MSI 790fx gd70. Creative Gaming edition sound card. Haf 922 case with a 115 volt ac hooked up to the intake fans and a exhaust sytem attached to the exhausts. Windows 7 64bit pro. Normal Gaming temp with eve 51-55c now 51-53 in space 55-59 in station. You are running dangerously close to the max temp for the Pheonom which is 62C. You can tone your CPU down slightly by lowering the voltages in the BIO's. Lower the RAM voltages as well. Doing that will slow your system down (as you're losing clock speed) but does help elevate some of the heating issues temporarily. The above is not a good solution for long term. We shouldn't have to gimp our systems to play a game like this. I know of far heavier resource hog games than Eve Incarna is supposed to be. Also - stock cooler = bad. I am using an air-cooled system with a Noctua cooler and even my temps are rising significantly. And the Noctua air cool gives damn near the same performance as a liquid cool. I would use an aftermarket cooler if my mobo could accomodate it the heatsink base around the socket is unremovable which gimps my ability to get a different cooler so I'm stuck with what I have. Snap in pins? On the back of the motherboard, you can pinch them and pop them out. Then slip a new heat sink base/socket on. the screws were stripped making it impossible to remove
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:22:00 - [202] Originally by: Dante Kesel the screws were stripped making it impossible to remove Ouch. Also - bump.
LuxLight	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:27:00 - [203] Originally by: Solomon XI Now let's talk about Incarna. With max graphics turned on, I dropped down to around 30FPS in QC and my CPU overhead went through the roof. My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C. My GPU sounded like a Ferarri during that period. Ok, whatever. I didn't load station enviroment and turned all settings back to extremely low. Undocked. CPU OVERHEAD INCREASED 6x from what it used to be. Sitting UNDOCKED with no effects and low graphics =58% CPU load wtf? I was idling at 53C on my CPU and 60FPS. I guess my three(?) year old 8800 rocks! No issues.
Cpt Rev Gallente Rudel Taktik	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:30:00 - [204] Did a test.... Running two Eve clients. One with MAX then other with a mix of low/medium. CPU is sitting at 55-60% usage. Client one with MAX settings is using 900MB of RAM, then second client is running 670 MB. My setup: Intel Quad 6600 2.4GHZ nvidia 295 GTX 8GB RAM Win 7 x64 Ultimate The GPU is hovering between 90-95c. which is fine. I do have my fans speed upto 80% Screen shot http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/135/incarna.jpg
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:39:00 - [205] Interesting...
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:44:00 - [206] I completely agree with the ideas expressed thus far, and am reposting my post from the troubleshooting forum, since I felt it would be appreciated by the non-flamers here. At this point, I'm glad my laptop wouldn't run incarnna. I would rather have to wait to play it and not fry my old parts, probably considered antique by this point, since people with top of the line pc's are having such dangerous problems running this latest patch. More power to you solomon XI, and I'll help keep the topic on the first page, as well as try to grab the attention of one of the devs' form the troubleshooting forums (although I don't know how much it will help, as there are many other issues being overlooked in those forums as well) I forsee many long time customers, and many soon to be customers, avoiding the headaches that have now been produced by the launch of incarana. It seems to me, like many other ideas before it, to be an idea that looks great on paper, but when implemented, causes many more problems than it fixes. I am also having a problem that has been repeated many a time on this forum so far, and has apparently been ignored by the developers thus far. When I go to start eve, it stalls, and just sits there. If I had not used ctrl-alt-delete to open the task manager, I wouldn't have even konwn that I was recieving an "outdated graphics card" error message (yes the error message was errored itself, lol), had it not been for that fact. Congratulations, CCP, on taking something that could have been one of the greatest games ever made, and by slowly ignoring certian known problems, reducing your loyal fans to ragequitting, not by some string of in game bad luck, but by mediocre customer service, and bad problem fixing. You should not, at any point, have to respond to a paying customer "that is a known issue", especially if is has been "known" for some time. If it was known, then it should have been fixed, not ignored and pushed back to make room for new graphics. I've seen it time and time again, once a game company puts graphics as a priority over gameplay mechanics, it means the beginning of the end for them. Do not forget that without us, the LOYAL customers, you would not have a market for your product. sSure, there will still be some new ones, but its not worth the cost of the longtime fans. If you continue with your current train of thought when it comes to serving you customers, you will esentially become one of those mmo's that people refer to only as a fond memory, saying things like "It was a great game, before they did this or that and it ruined the gameplay." Don't get me wrong, Incarana brings some innovative new ideas to the table, and with Dust just around the corner, this could be a great game combination. Just don't sell out your old customers for a bucket of new ones. Well, thats all I have to say for the moment, and I hope It opens someones' eyes.
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:51:00 - [207] There's definitely a large increase in load when in the QC. Outside of the QC, the game still runs like it did pre-Incarna. No issues for me there. But inside the QC, temps on my non-overclocked/non-overvolted GTX 275 will reach 88-91 C with the fan operating at 96% while standing still. I run a clean system with plenty of air flow in the case, yada yada yada. While that's not a dangerous temp for a GTX 275, it is still far higher than any game has ever pushed my GPU temp. And the QC is certainly not more graphically intensive than other games I play. Now, there may be a set of drivers that help alleviate some of this, but I really doubt it. Or there may be a setting that can be disabled. In short, though, something isn't quite right with the huge load being put on the GPU for what's going on in the QC. Somewhere there's an issue on CCP's side.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:58:00 - [208] So this is both a CPU & GPU issue even on the new end hardware. For me, it's my CPU overheating despite more than enough cooling installed. For others, it's the GPU. For some ... both. This issue is not limited to AMD CPU's alone as there are some Intel guys saying the same. We REALLY NEED CCP DEV's IN HERE!
Darwin Edison	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:59:00 - [209] I don't know what's changed. Perhaps a stealth fix in today's patch. I've just run two clients with Incarna enabled for a bit over an hour and not had the same experience as yesterday. Today, the temperature climbed rapidly to 55c and stayed there. CPU utilization is still bouncing between the high forties and the high seventies. All and all, pretty tolerable. I never had the FPS or GPU issues some of you have mentioned. Lots of games bring my cpu temperature up to 55c, so no worries there.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:59:00 - [210] Originally by: CCP Zymurgist We are forever watching from the shadows. Lurking behind the blue bars. Usually on days like today we are interested in reading feedback. I know I know, don't faint. It appears they only answer topics that don't require any real attention, while the actual issues are ignored.

Commander IceQ Caldari Spit and Ductape Maintenance	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:03:00 - [211] Hey. I have i7 950, 6GB Corsair RAM, GTX 460. I have seen a few people saying "I have no issues". My question is; How many accounts are you running? when I run 1 everything is fine. 2 things start getting laggy (and fans getting louder). 3 and I can't even propperly switch between clients. Lucky I let my 4th suspend before the expansion. Yes my machine is propperly set up (I do this for a living), so don't geve me that "reason". I ran 4 clients perfectly, now I can't even run 2 propperly. I like the CQ, but I am switching off the CQ so I can dock propperly again. Please CCP, something is not right. TIA +1 My Signature is too large... O_o
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:04:00 - [212] Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 19:04:53 Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction Originally by: CCP Zymurgist We are forever watching from the shadows. Lurking behind the blue bars. Usually on days like today we are interested in reading feedback. I know I know, don't faint. It appears they only answer topics that don't require any real attention, while the actual issues are ignored. I'm camping two threads right now and will be until I have a Developer's attention. I'll be keeping this topic on the main page of Eve General discussion until then. PS: To the guy above this post, I am running 1 client. Prior to Incarna, I could run two easily. Three even. Now I am scared ****less to even consider dual-boxing.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:11:00 - [213] Bump.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:15:00 - [214] Bump.
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:16:00 - [215] Originally by: Mars Theran This is why I tell people not to buy AMD. SC version of your card, Win 7x64, 4GB RAM, i7 870 Quad Core running 1920x1080 at 60 FPS in CQ. ~55c It isn't an AMD issue as far as I can see. I am running a Phenom II 955 BE & Radeon HD4890 on win7 64bit with 6gigs of ram at 60fps and getting the same temperature as you. I'm not saying people aren't having an issue, just that I'm not experiencing it with my setup. Retro sig
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:19:00 - [216] Interesting...
Rysis Vyvorant	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:19:00 - [217] Solomon, it is not the software, it makes me laugh you think so. I have: W7 x64 965 BE with Noctura D-14 or N-14...whatever, can not remember. 4 GB ram SSD 2 x 6870s CPU temps do not break 39 C in CQ, everything is maxed right out. GPU hits about 65-70C, but that is nothing new.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:21:00 - [218] It actually IS the software. It's increased the CPU load significantly. It's also the only game I've played which is causing my system to overheat (which has never happened even on far more graphically intense games). I know it's not an issue on my end alone as others are having it as well. No -- this is a bug in their code. Positive of it.
Hosiden	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:22:00 - [219] Edited by: Hosiden on 22/06/2011 19:23:08 intel centrino 2 6gb ddr3 ram nvidia 9600GT saw a direct increase of 20'c temp when logged on, lowered settings to lowest, still at 15'c higher than before incarna. was able to tripple box withour probs earlier. now im afraid to run 2 clients. also running a laptop with intel i5 2520M quad with 4gb ddr 3 ram and a intel Hd graphics card. and that has serious issues with cpu temps up 35'c. so yeah, i smell ccp fail.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:23:00 - [220] Cross-posting because that's cool of me. Enabling the CQ shuts down my system after 5 minutes. CPU ends up at 79C. ___ Latest video: Future Proof (720p) 2D Animator

Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:23:00 - [221] Intel HD - integrated right? That's a problem for gaming, period.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:26:00 - [222] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Cross-posting because that's cool of me. Enabling the CQ shuts down my system after 5 minutes. CPU ends up at 79C. System specifications?
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:27:00 - [223] Originally by: Rysis Vyvorant Solomon, it is not the software, it makes me laugh you think so. if it is not software what would it be to cause more demand on the gpu/cpu and increasing temperatures. Its not like its a 1 off case
Hosiden	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:28:00 - [224] Originally by: Solomon XI Intel HD - integrated right? That's a problem for gaming, period. yeah, its not meant for gameing, installed eve on the work laptop to check and see if the same problem existed on both machines. i have a third laptop still at work il have a gander at next week aswell.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:30:00 - [225] Edited by: Zero GodOfDestruction on 22/06/2011 19:33:01 Originally by: Rysis Vyvorant Solomon, it is not the software, it makes me laugh you think so. I have: W7 x64 965 BE with Noctura D-14 or N-14...whatever, can not remember. 4 GB ram SSD 2 x 6870s CPU temps do not break 39 C in CQ, everything is maxed right out. GPU hits about 65-70C, but that is nothing new. Whether the problem is on sol's end or not is not the point. The point is that the moderators are completely ignoring this, and not taking a stand on either side of the issue. Edit:Based on the variety of different setups, I believe this problem is on ccp's side.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:31:00 - [226] Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction Originally by: Rysis Vyvorant Solomon, it is not the software, it makes me laugh you think so. I have: W7 x64 965 BE with Noctura D-14 or N-14...whatever, can not remember. 4 GB ram SSD 2 x 6870s CPU temps do not break 39 C in CQ, everything is maxed right out. GPU hits about 65-70C, but that is nothing new. Whether the problem is on sol's end or not is not the point. The point is that the moderators are completely ignoring this, and not taking a stand on either side of the issue. Judging by other topics and comments in this one, I doubt its on my side.
Commander IceQ Caldari Spit and Ductape Maintenance	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:31:00 - [227] Originally by: Rysis Vyvorant Solomon, it is not the software, it makes me laugh you think so. I have: W7 x64 965 BE with Noctura D-14 or N-14...whatever, can not remember. 4 GB ram SSD 2 x 6870s CPU temps do not break 39 C in CQ, everything is maxed right out. GPU hits about 65-70C, but that is nothing new. Ok. And how many accounts are you running? I said that 1 runs fine. 3 Kills my machine. Try running 3 accounts on the same machine and then tell me it is not software. ---------------------------- As a side note, I am running 2 with the environments turned off and I can at least have all three open, but my PC still working too hard. I is not a happy camper. My Signature is too large... O_o
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:33:00 - [228] There is a dev blog saying more than one account will suffer performance issues. I AM TRYING TO RUN ONE ACCOUNT ONLY!
Ally6969	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:35:00 - [229] feel lucky it wont run at all on mine too old video card now i got the hassle of buying new one or playing minecraft lol
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:37:00 - [230] bump.

Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:40:00 - [231] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 22/06/2011 19:40:30 Originally by: Solomon XI There is a dev blog saying more than one account will suffer performance issues. Well that's good of CCP to let us know that CONSIDERING HOW PREVALENT MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS ARE in this day and age. CCP forum admins did you read my capital letters there? That's right... I capital lettered you. @ Solomon XI please continue.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:40:00 - [232] Originally by: Auss81 I read people saying: if You don't like it, leave it. Yes ok, but I re-subscribed about 2 weeks ago for 6 months! I was hoping to have a lot of fun, as usual, and eventually extend my sub. And now? I have an expensive PC, which I use also for graphics and 3D modelling, that goes crazy like a Jet turbine when I enter in the CQ. Who will refund my 6 months subscription?? I want to point out, for those super-hitech, peoples that my PC doesn't have cheap components. I work with it and my job relies on it! It is even without the case to improve ventilation. There's absolutely something wrong in the Incarna engine. just read that on another thread ccp know there is something wrong some where and it causing major problems for some people, thats why no mods are replying so they just try and sweep it under the table or wait untill the pr people get some bull**** together
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:42:00 - [233] Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 22/06/2011 19:45:16 Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Cross-posting because that's cool of me. Enabling the CQ shuts down my system after 5 minutes. CPU ends up at 79C. System specifications? Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P Mainboard AMD 790X Chipset AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition (3.4ghz) 140w TDP 2x Corsair 4GB DDR3 DHX 1600C9DHX Twin3X (2x2GB) @ 9-9-9-24 1.8V (TW3X4G1600C9DHX) EVGA GeForce GTX 280 1024MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) (01G-P3-1280-ER) Windows 7 Professional x64 Latest nV Forceware (275.33) GPU runs at 90C but that's normal. My CPU temp hit 79C just before the system crashed after 4-5 minutes in CQ, which it has never done before. My system is hot because it is stock cooled, but it has historically been rock solid in terms of stability and I routinely push it via After Effects and H.264 encoding. Something in the CQ code is rotten if I'm attempting to undervolt the CPU as a precaution. ___ Latest video: Future Proof (720p) 2D Animator
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:43:00 - [234] Interesting... well this ain't going away. I am camping this topic and will keep it on the 1st page all damn day. Go to sleep. Camp it again.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:45:00 - [235] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Cross-posting because that's cool of me. Enabling the CQ shuts down my system after 5 minutes. CPU ends up at 79C. System specifications? Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P Mainboard AMD 790X Chipset AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition (3.4ghz) 140w TDP 2x Corsair 4GB DDR3 DHX 1600C9DHX Twin3X (2x2GB) @ 9-9-9-24 1.8V (TW3X4G1600C9DHX) EVGA GeForce GTX 280 1024MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) (01G-P3-1280-ER) Windows 7 Professional x64 My CPU temp hit 79C just before the system crashed after 4-5 minutes in CQ, which it has never done before. My system is hot because it is stock cooled, but it has historically been rock solid in terms of stability and I routinely push it via After Effects and H.264 encoding. Something in the CQ code is rotten if I'm not attempting to undervolt the CPU as a precaution. A temporary solution I came up with earlier is to go into your BIOS and lower both the CPU and RAM voltages. Drop yourself down to 3Ghz on the CPU for now until this is resolved. It's not a golden arrow but it is something. It does help. Guess you're doing that anyhow.
Madcow Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:47:00 - [236] If your pc overheats and takes damage because of the load by incarna its your pc problem. That incarna puts high load on pc is true they could maybe optimize in the end to make it take abit less resources. ______________________ I am just a crazy cow
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:48:00 - [237] Originally by: Madcow If your pc overheats and takes damage because of the load by incarna its your pc problem. That incarna puts high load on pc is true they could maybe optimize in the end to make it take abit less resources. It isn't if Prime95 runs stable for 12 hours. ___ Latest video: Future Proof (720p) 2D Animator
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:48:00 - [238] Originally by: Madcow If your pc overheats and takes damage because of the load by incarna its your pc problem. That incarna puts high load on pc is true they could maybe optimize in the end to make it take abit less resources. My PC is designed for much heavier games than Eve Incarna. That's a fact. I play heavier games and never have this issue. This is a CCP development problem with their engine. They screwed up. They need to fix it. Now.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:52:00 - [239] null Originally by: Madcow If your pc overheats and takes damage because of the load by incarna its your pc problem. That incarna puts high load on pc is true they could maybe optimize in the end to make it take abit less resources. true its ur problem to keep your pc cool but why is a tiny room with a person walking about in it putting so much strain on pc's that its causing them to shut down so they dont over heat and cook them selves
Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:55:00 - [240] Edited by: Zeko Rena on 22/06/2011 19:56:34 How odd, my ancient machine is running Intel Q9550 ATI HD 5770 8 GIG of slow ram Windows 7 X64 And yet i can run two clients at the same time in 1920x1080 with about 28fps and not having any issues with fans or heating Just a quick question, i am going to presume you have setup your 12 fans with air flow in mind, not just shoved them on any old way? Air flow is imoprant, especially as i only have three fans on my rig, although i do have the Cooler Master V8 CPU cooler, but video card is on stock cooling EDIT: It also has not been formatted in a ceuntry and Windows runs like a bit of a dog, going to upgrade soon. The only thing i have an issue is, is with the preview clothing from the store, why does it have to load such a high poly doll for the clothing item to sit on, if i am previewing a pair of trowsers i don't need a 3 bazillion polygon model with no textures behind it. --------------------------

Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:56:00 - [241] Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 19:58:24 Originally by: leth ghost null Originally by: Madcow If your pc overheats and takes damage because of the load by incarna its your pc problem. That incarna puts high load on pc is true they could maybe optimize in the end to make it take abit less resources. true its ur problem to keep your pc cool but why is a tiny room with a person walking about in it putting so much strain on pc's that its causing them to shut down so they dont over heat and cook them selves Older PC's - I can see the argument. These are new PC's running quad-core processors, good graphic cards, and have more than ample cooling installed. This is an Engine issue on CCP's front that needs to be fixed immediately. It's causing significant RL damage to hardware. Originally by: Zeko Rena How odd, my ancient machine is running Intel Q9550 ATI HD 5770 8 GIG of slow ram And yet i can run two clients at the same time in 1920x1080 with about 28fps and not having any issues with fans or heating Just a quick question, i am going to presume you have setup your 12 fans with air flow in mind, not just shoved them on any old way? Air flow is imoprant, especially as i only have three fans on my rig, although i do have the Cooler Master V8 CPU cooler, but video card is on stock cooling I have an Azza Hurrican Full Tower Case. I have a Noctua NH-U12P CPU Cooler. My cooling is ample, properly configured, and my cable management is perfect. I am also using Artic Silver thermal paste.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:57:00 - [242] Bump
Siva Surya Kshatriya	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:59:00 - [243] I'm experiencing the same problems. OP, ignore the trolls, anyone who posts something along the lines of the quote below is either trying to troll or simply stupid. You have a legitimate concern and the developers should really pay attention. Originally by: Kaede Kimura Edited by: Kaede Kimura on 22/06/2011 03:38:27 Whine central, I see. Quit having a tantrum you entitled brat!
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:00:00 - [244] Originally by: Siva Surya Kshatriya I'm experiencing the same problems. OP, ignore the trolls, anyone who posts something along the lines of the quote below is either trying to troll or simply stupid. You have a legitimate concern and the developers should really pay attention. Originally by: Kaede Kimura Edited by: Kaede Kimura on 22/06/2011 03:38:27 Whine central, I see. Quit having a tantrum you entitled brat! Can you post your system specifications and detail your problem please?
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:02:00 - [245] Bump.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:02:00 - [246] Lets be clear. If you cant pass Prime95 and GPU stress testing you are not considered to have proper cooling. Period. This is NOT CCPs fault.
Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:03:00 - [247] Quote: I have an Azza Hurrican Full Tower Case. I have a Noctua NH-U12P CPU Cooler. My cooling is ample, properly configured, and my cable management is perfect. I am also using Artic Silver thermal paste. I had a feeling you sounded like you knew what you were doing but thought i would just check in case --------------------------
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:04:00 - [248] In defense of CCP, they probably need to look into this a little before they're allowed to say anything. I'm not surprised nothing has been said yet, but it's clear there's an issue that needs to be addressed. That said, CPU's should auto shutdown the computer if they cross a threshold temp. Those safeguards have been in place for a very long time. GPU's on the other hand, can easily overheat and fry themselves if not monitored.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:05:00 - [249] Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 20:06:07 Originally by: Zachstar Lets be clear. If you cant pass Prime95 and GPU stress testing you are not considered to have proper cooling. Period. This is NOT CCPs fault. And if I CAN pass those tests, Zachstar? Because I can. Easily. This is a flaw with the Incarna ENGINE. Read the thread and STFU. Originally by: Ealric Sorden In defense of CCP, they probably need to look into this a little before they're allowed to say anything. I'm not surprised nothing has been said yet, but it's clear there's an issue that needs to be addressed. That said, CPU's should auto shutdown the computer if they cross a threshold temp. Those safeguards have been in place for a very long time. GPU's on the other hand, can easily overheat and fry themselves if not monitored. They could simply say that they're aware of it and are looking into it. That would satisfy me for now.
Kara Kugisa	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:05:00 - [250] Edited by: Kara Kugisa on 22/06/2011 20:05:59 Im not saying there isnt an issue but why am I running two clients on my PC + football manager and my CPU is 49 degrees. Quad core i7. On my 2nd PC again two clients on a core 2 due 6600 and again no problems. If the game is damaging hardware why isnt it damaging mine ?

deathdragons	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:05:00 - [251] I run Geforce 9800 gt 8gb ram 50 ish C and i got 60 fps in space 26 in station
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:07:00 - [252] Originally by: Zachstar Lets be clear. If you cant pass Prime95 and GPU stress testing you are not considered to have proper cooling. Period. This is NOT CCPs fault. Yes, except that across my corp of hardcore PC enthusiasts, the same ridiculous temperature problems are being reported. My rig runs Prime95 fine for the 12 hours necessary to ensure stability and I have issues. ___ Latest video: Future Proof (720p) 2D Animator
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:07:00 - [253] Originally by: Kara Kugisa Edited by: Kara Kugisa on 22/06/2011 20:05:59 Im not saying there isnt an issue but why am I running two clients on my PC + football manager and my CPU is 49 degrees. Quad core i7. On my 2nd PC again two clients on a core 2 due 6600 and again no problems. If the game is damaging hardware why isnt it damaging mine ? That's a good question. I am unsure as to why some of us are encountering these issues and some are now. It seems to be affecting AMD Phenom's and older Intel Quad's (including the newer i3 and i5 processors). It's weird.
flummox	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:08:00 - [254] Originally by: Mars Theran This is why I tell people not to buy AMD. SC version of your card, Win 7x64, 4GB RAM, i7 870 Quad Core running 1920x1080 at 60 FPS in CQ. ~55c i have AMD chip... and ATI gfx card. incarna runs just fine. just fine, indeed. no issues as of yet. so, what now? EABOD
Kara Kugisa	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:10:00 - [255] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Kara Kugisa Edited by: Kara Kugisa on 22/06/2011 20:05:59 Im not saying there isnt an issue but why am I running two clients on my PC + football manager and my CPU is 49 degrees. Quad core i7. On my 2nd PC again two clients on a core 2 due 6600 and again no problems. If the game is damaging hardware why isnt it damaging mine ? That's a good question. I am unsure as to why some of us are encountering these issues and some are now. It seems to be affecting AMD Phenom's and older Intel Quad's (including the newer i3 and i5 processors). It's weird. Different settings possibly ? Im using Geforce GTX460 on the Quad and GTX260 on the older machine if that adds any information.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:12:00 - [256] Originally by: Kara Kugisa Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Kara Kugisa Edited by: Kara Kugisa on 22/06/2011 20:05:59 Im not saying there isnt an issue but why am I running two clients on my PC + football manager and my CPU is 49 degrees. Quad core i7. On my 2nd PC again two clients on a core 2 due 6600 and again no problems. If the game is damaging hardware why isnt it damaging mine ? That's a good question. I am unsure as to why some of us are encountering these issues and some are now. It seems to be affecting AMD Phenom's and older Intel Quad's (including the newer i3 and i5 processors). It's weird. Different settings possibly ? Im using Geforce GTX460 on the Quad and GTX260 on the older machine if that adds any information. Can you detail your system specifications further? How many case fans, what kind of heat-sink, etc?
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:12:00 - [257] Originally by: Kara Kugisa Edited by: Kara Kugisa on 22/06/2011 20:05:59 If the game is damaging hardware why isnt it damaging mine ? Because every system is different. That's the hard part about coding for PC, but it's something ever developer must deal with and face. You'll always have a small minority of systems that need workarounds, driver updates (assuming you have recent drivers, but not the absolute latest ones), or whatever for a game to run on. And sometimes a game will not run on a certain setup. Developers face a living nightmare trying to minimize those things, though, but it's part of the job. However, when you have an outbreak of issues like this, there's definitely a problem on CCP's end. It happens, but now it needs to be dealt with. And I'm sure they will ASAP, but sometimes it's a slow process.
Zag'mar Jurkar	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:14:00 - [258] Edited by: Zag''mar Jurkar on 22/06/2011 20:15:07 Reporting in with a 52% CPU Usage with 2 clients in CQ. AMD Phenom X6 Black Edition @ 3.2Ghz. Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 4GB RAM @ 1300Mhz CoolerMaster HAFxxx case 6Fans + a non-stock CPU fan. Haven't done more testing tho.
Jake Thraxton	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:15:00 - [259] Edited by: Jake Thraxton on 22/06/2011 20:16:42 Edited by: Jake Thraxton on 22/06/2011 20:15:45 Originally by: Zachstar Lets be clear. If you cant pass Prime95 and GPU stress testing you are not considered to have proper cooling. Period. This is NOT CCPs fault. LETS BE CLEAR, if a large number of people are suddenly having an overheating/meltdown issue across a wide variety of computers after an update, it is a problem from the update. if there are people who are running just fine, then they simply got lucky with a configuration that works with the issue. computers are different, don't be re tarded. my PC can run the game fine, except i dont have shader 3.0
Rysis Vyvorant	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:18:00 - [260] Edited by: Rysis Vyvorant on 22/06/2011 20:21:22 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Madcow If your pc overheats and takes damage because of the load by incarna its your pc problem. That incarna puts high load on pc is true they could maybe optimize in the end to make it take abit less resources. It isn't if Prime95 runs stable for 12 hours. Two things. You should have your BIOS settings setup so that your CPU shuts down before damage. Second, there is no way a game is more stressful than Prime95. Check your HS.

Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:18:00 - [261] Just as a suggestion, people having problems (and not having problems) may want to post what video drivers they are using. It could very well be that there is an issue with CCP's code that some drivers aren't affected by. If that's the case, reverting to (or updating to) a certain AMD or NVIDIA driver may alleviate some of the problems until CCP patches. Just a thought, and possibly a fruitless one. But who knows.
Benilopax Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:19:00 - [262] Edited by: Benilopax on 22/06/2011 20:24:32 Same problem here, all other games fine, CQ causes system shut down to save hardware from over heat. Should also mention nvidia did release a new driver earlier this month try installing that. ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon.
Adrauss 9 Caldari Neuromancer Inc	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:19:00 - [263] Running Win 7 64bit i7 870 @ 2.93Ghz 8 GB ram AMD Radeon 6800 Series Running windowed with Max Settings 1 client running CPU load in Quarters is approx 30% with CPU temp running 53-56c FPS 60 CPU load in Space is approx 10% with CPU temp running 44-46c FPS 60 Does seem a hell of a difference for sitting on a sofa doing nothing :-)
Kara Kugisa	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:27:00 - [264] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Kara Kugisa Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Kara Kugisa Edited by: Kara Kugisa on 22/06/2011 20:05:59 Im not saying there isnt an issue but why am I running two clients on my PC + football manager and my CPU is 49 degrees. Quad core i7. On my 2nd PC again two clients on a core 2 due 6600 and again no problems. If the game is damaging hardware why isnt it damaging mine ? That's a good question. I am unsure as to why some of us are encountering these issues and some are now. It seems to be affecting AMD Phenom's and older Intel Quad's (including the newer i3 and i5 processors). It's weird. Different settings possibly ? Im using Geforce GTX460 on the Quad and GTX260 on the older machine if that adds any information. Can you detail your system specifications further? How many case fans, what kind of heat-sink, etc? Well the Quad core is : Core i7 950 3.06ghz overclocked to 3.8ghz 6gb RAM Corsair XMS3 3x2gb Heat sink - Cooler Master Hyper212 Antec P183 case using just two standard fans (1 at rear and 1 on top) Geforce GTX460 Nothing major cooling wise except what came with the case, and the heatsink whilst decent again nothing special.
Ptraci	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:31:00 - [265] While I haven't actually fried anything, my fans on my video cards do kick into high gear when I try to run 2 or more clients with CQ (used to run about 80C on the video cards, now close to 100C), and I've noticed my CPU temp rises about 5 degrees or so. I used to run 6 accounts simultaneously with no problems on this rig. Now I will have to turn the settings way down. Intel i7 Quad Core (950) - water cooled Windows 7 64 bit 12GB RAM 3 Nvidia 470GTX graphics cards, 4 monitors Nvidia driver 8.17.12.6658 WHQL certified
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:34:00 - [266] Bump.
Cpt Rev Gallente Rudel Taktik	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:40:00 - [267] So I've been running 2 clients without CQ and my temps still say around 92C. I'm also running a 720p video and temps stay around 94C. I can also run 3 clients with the 2 on low settings. Which works good for my 1 Orca and 2 Mackinaw toons.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:40:00 - [268] Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 20:41:02 Bump. Originally by: Cpt Rev So I've been running 2 clients without CQ and my temps still say around 92C. I'm also running a 720p video and temps stay around 94C. I can also run 3 clients with the 2 on low settings. Which works good for my 1 Orca and 2 Mackinaw toons. If those are CPU temps, you're going to burn your CPU. If those are GPU temps, that's still pretty warm.
Commander IceQ Caldari Spit and Ductape Maintenance	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:49:00 - [269] Originally by: Mystic5hadow I think there's a problem with your system and not the game. Then I have a question (with all settings max); Why is my machine going ape (High Temp, High mem usage, High cpu usage) when I am docked, but when I am in space I run my 3 clients without a problem. And running Portal 2 & Crysis at full blast also doesn't hit my system nearly as hard as 1 EVE Client, and those 2 games have a lot more going on on the screen than just a room with screens. Something is not right with the 3D engine they are using in the CQ. My Signature is too large... O_o
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:50:00 - [270] bump

Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:53:00 - [271] Edited by: Zachstar on 22/06/2011 20:54:01 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Zachstar Lets be clear. If you cant pass Prime95 and GPU stress testing you are not considered to have proper cooling. Period. This is NOT CCPs fault. Yes, except that across my corp of hardcore PC enthusiasts, the same ridiculous temperature problems are being reported. My rig runs Prime95 fine for the 12 hours necessary to ensure stability and I have issues. There is no way EVE online can push a core past the TDP of its speed. It cant beat Prime95. Unless you have direct evidence EVE online is. A)Directly increasing the voltage of your GPU or CPU B)Decreasing fan speed C)Overclocking the GPU or CPU. Then dont claim it is CCPs fault for damages.
Digital Messiah Oregami Ultd	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:55:00 - [272] This belongs in tech support. Also check your drivers and settings before hand. Just because you are having issues, doesn't mean its messing with everyone. Hardware does not = software performance. But it does = occasional troubleshooting. You have successfully posted another useless thread that made pages of replies. All because people are joining this rage mob to the capital over something they probably haven't thought through. BTW when you start lynching everyone who doesn't share your view, think about how you got there. Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:56:00 - [273] Originally by: Commander IceQ Originally by: Mystic5hadow I think there's a problem with your system and not the game. Then I have a question (with all settings max); Why is my machine going ape (High Temp, High mem usage, High cpu usage) when I am docked, but when I am in space I run my 3 clients without a problem. And running Portal 2 & Crysis at full blast also doesn't hit my system nearly as hard as 1 EVE Client, and those 2 games have a lot more going on on the screen than just a room with screens. Something is not right with the 3D engine they are using in the CQ. There is video rendering in the background which is likely CPU based because using UVD or purevideo would cause the card to greatly underclock. The environment is quite detailed. So yes both your CPU and GPU are being stressed. That won't change.
Navirios	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:58:00 - [274] Edited by: Navirios on 22/06/2011 21:02:59 Okay. Let me stress out my experience. Pre-incarna : was able to play EVE on my A300 toshiba laptop with graphics low/med. Was even able to participate in 0.0 blobs with settings on low. Post-incarna : 5 minutes in CQ makes my GPU able to boil a ****ing egg! Even with all settings on low I feel that my laptop is ready to explode. ccp seriously ? edit : cant test new patch on my PC yet, but on Duality with a GT 430 card things were pretty bad while docked. When undocked I have 60fps with all settings on high ....
Cpt Rev Gallente Rudel Taktik	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:01:00 - [275] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 20:41:02 Bump. Originally by: Cpt Rev So I've been running 2 clients without CQ and my temps still say around 92C. I'm also running a 720p video and temps stay around 94C. I can also run 3 clients with the 2 on low settings. Which works good for my 1 Orca and 2 Mackinaw toons. If those are CPU temps, you're going to burn your CPU. If those are GPU temps, that's still pretty warm. GPU temps....CPU has been running about 67C
Max Aggro Gallente BPC Trader's	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:02:00 - [276] I'm one of the guys who hardly undocks and just sits ship spinning and changing market orders. I now can't ship spin and have around half a second delay on clicking in the market, scrolling and typing etc... gg ccp ty cya
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:07:00 - [277] Originally by: Cpt Rev Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 20:41:02 Bump. Originally by: Cpt Rev So I've been running 2 clients without CQ and my temps still say around 92C. I'm also running a 720p video and temps stay around 94C. I can also run 3 clients with the 2 on low settings. Which works good for my 1 Orca and 2 Mackinaw toons. If those are CPU temps, you're going to burn your CPU. If those are GPU temps, that's still pretty warm. GPU temps....CPU has been running about 67C That CPU temp is pretty high...
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:07:00 - [278] Originally by: Navirios Edited by: Navirios on 22/06/2011 21:02:59 Okay. Let me stress out my experience. Pre-incarna : was able to play EVE on my A300 toshiba laptop with graphics low/med. Was even able to participate in 0.0 blobs with settings on low. Post-incarna : 5 minutes in CQ makes my GPU able to boil a ****ing egg! Even with all settings on low I feel that my laptop is ready to explode. ccp seriously ? edit : cant test new patch on my PC yet, but on Duality with a GT 430 card things were pretty bad while docked. When undocked I have 60fps with all settings on high .... That only means your laptop's cooling needs servicing or redesign. Not CCPs fault. I can run CQ just fine on an overclocked 7300GT and 90nm Windsor core from years ago (Backup PC) Not great FPS but not the disaster people are making it out to be.
Cpt Rev Gallente Rudel Taktik	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:10:00 - [279] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Cpt Rev Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 20:41:02 Bump. Originally by: Cpt Rev So I've been running 2 clients without CQ and my temps still say around 92C. I'm also running a 720p video and temps stay around 94C. I can also run 3 clients with the 2 on low settings. Which works good for my 1 Orca and 2 Mackinaw toons. If those are CPU temps, you're going to burn your CPU. If those are GPU temps, that's still pretty warm. GPU temps....CPU has been running about 67C That CPU temp is pretty high... Just noticed that the fan was turned down...Now its sitting at 54C with a 720p video running...
Dograzor The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:18:00 - [280] I do notice an increase in GPU heat with CQ & Incarna compared to Incursion. Compared with other (high end) games it is higher, but still manageable. Still, heat increases, especially what others describe do worry me. System: I5 760 EVGA GTX 460 768mb 4gig DDR3 Ram Temperature while playing Incarna: 63 Degrees C Temperature while heavy loaded with other games (Crysis D10 Max, Dragon Age II Dx11 High Texture, max) 54C. Still not in the range of what others are experiencing, but there is an definite increase compared to pre Incarna & other games. - "We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value"

ISKSUCKER	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:18:00 - [281] @ solomon XI they probably don¦t give a ferk until they see that a lot of people give up. As you can see in the other pages of the forum they just say something now and than. The people that lost hardware will never have any compensation only frustration.
Kiyirari All Star Shipyards	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:19:00 - [282] Now i've played with the settings in graphics and display as i like to double and triple box to do what i want... Processor - AMD athlon II x4 630 processor 3.50GHZ 4 GB ram good quality ATI raedon HD 5700 graphics card 64 bit etc etc Plus suitable cooling afew fans nothing fancy... YES i can play 1 SINGLE account on HIGH maxed out settings with CQ very nice, double boxing makes the cpu/ram red line and the fans scream for mercy So i set Graphics and display to performance optimizing and turned off station enviroment lo and behold i'm double boxing again and holding stable... triple boxing with this setting is cpu bursting 'n' push's the ram into the red. I could get away with it if i set all to low demand graphics... but whats the point when ya running an alright system i could install 2 new 1 GB rams maxing at 6GB of ram to deal with any of those issues and should run yellow lining it.... but i don't like that for endurance gaming. Well thats my 2 cents worth. Revenge is my god and my guns are her angels
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:28:00 - [283] Bump
Dante Kesel	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:33:00 - [284] One solution I've come across was lowering the ambient temp by about 10 degrees Fahrenheit, reducing anti aliasing to low, set cpu fan speed at 50% instead of 26% when running games. Raising the GPU Fan Speed to 50% instead of 30%. Because of that eve runs at 49c with two clients everything else max except anti allaising while in space. In station with both I'm sitting at 52c.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:34:00 - [285] Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 22/06/2011 21:35:04 Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 22/06/2011 20:54:01 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Zachstar Lets be clear. If you cant pass Prime95 and GPU stress testing you are not considered to have proper cooling. Period. This is NOT CCPs fault. Yes, except that across my corp of hardcore PC enthusiasts, the same ridiculous temperature problems are being reported. My rig runs Prime95 fine for the 12 hours necessary to ensure stability and I have issues. There is no way EVE online can push a core past the TDP of its speed. It cant beat Prime95. Unless you have direct evidence EVE online is. A)Directly increasing the voltage of your GPU or CPU B)Decreasing fan speed C)Overclocking the GPU or CPU. Then dont claim it is CCPs fault for damages. I realize nothing pushes harder than Prime95 or OCCT etc. I'm not claiming anything is CCP's fault except for the apparently poor engine code. Prime95 runs and EVE with CQ doesn't. That's a fact. Hence, there is certainly something wrong with the code, not my cooling. It just seems to get very hot. ___ Latest video: Future Proof (720p) 2D Animator
Circumstantial Evidence	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:35:00 - [286] Running one client: Peak 58c CPU temp seen in CQ, at start position after docking, looking down the long corridor at the display screens. Temp measured by CoreTemp http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ Phenom X4 9850 (Agena) 2.5ghz û no overclock. CPU Cooler - Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro - 92mm fan. 2x 80mm case fans below PSU. Sapphire ATI 4870 û no overclock, stock HSF. 1600x1200, fullscreen, AA on ôhighö, interior effects ômediumö 29-32 FPS from this position 18-20 FPS after changing interior effects ôhighö (adds more fog) IÆm definitely happier with CQ FPS when interior effects is at ômedium.ö But overall, I have no complaints.
Constantine Saberinni	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:44:00 - [287] Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 22/06/2011 21:49:20 Theres definately an issue with the CQ. Im running: watercooled i7 920 at 4ghz EVGA GTX 460 SC EE (standard clocks) Running 1 console. The processor shows a slight bump in heat but nothing out of the ordinary. The GPU however, my god, it gets to 90+ in a matter of minutes and I've had two thermal shut downs! It may be an inconsistent problem in that not all members are experiencing it but one constant between the members that are experiencing it is the CQ aspect. Perhaps there should be a disable option until a permanent fix can be made? Edit: Just found there is a disable option. This definitely helps and prevents the temperatures getting in to the 90's but its still cooking.
Duvida Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:48:00 - [288] Originally by: Circumstantial Evidence Running one client: Peak 58c CPU temp seen in CQ, at start position after docking, looking down the long corridor at the display screens. Temp measured by CoreTemp http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ Phenom X4 9850 (Agena) 2.5ghz û no overclock. CPU Cooler - Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro - 92mm fan. 2x 80mm case fans below PSU. Sapphire ATI 4870 û no overclock, stock HSF. 1600x1200, fullscreen, AA on ôhighö, interior effects ômediumö 29-32 FPS from this position 18-20 FPS after changing interior effects ôhighö (adds more fog) IÆm definitely happier with CQ FPS when interior effects is at ômedium.ö But overall, I have no complaints. I'll have to test the interior effects at medium then. Thanks for that detail. My computer temperature's been spiking with CQ on as well, so I'd turned CQ off completely. (I'd like to not have to replace it just because I play EVE) Learning...
Dante Kesel Caldari Chaos Theory Exploration	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:51:00 - [289] Originally by: Constantine Saberinni Theres definately an issue with the CQ. Im running: watercooled i7 920 at 4ghz EVGA GTX 460 SC EE (standard clocks) Running 1 console. The processor shows a slight bump in heat but nothing out of the ordinary. The GPU however, my god, it gets to 90+ in a matter of minutes and I've had two thermal shut downs! It may be an inconsistent problem in that not all members are experiencing it but one constant between the members that are experiencing it is the CQ aspect. Perhaps there should be a disable option until a permanent fix can be made? Try lowering the Interior effects and the anti Allasising, and see see if you can get the evga precision tool and raise the fan speed of the GPU it might help, stock settings for my 460 are 40% which it can get hot quick at that but at 50% its fine In this life only three things are certain. Taxes, Death, and Data Loss. Guess which has occurred. Windows NT crashed. I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams.
KamikazeBrAzIl Vera Cruz Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:51:00 - [290] Well... looks like CCP don¦t give a **** about this... let your hadware burn

Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:02:00 - [291] Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 22:03:16 Bumping this thread ... again. I am camping it and it will remain on the front page. I have a small albeit temporary workaround at the moment. I dropped the voltage of my CPU down slightly and the temps are staying down a little more. Still its running way too hot.
Stormchyld Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:08:00 - [292] Originally by: Otaku Komoko CCP are hurting themselves with this expansion and the hardware issues it's started. CCP: Rollback/give option to have ship spinning instead of killing customers' computers. +1
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:16:00 - [293] Just posted another request in the Incarna feedback forum about this topic. Still awaiting CCP Dev's.
Mia Aires	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:18:00 - [294] Maybe this helps also. My System: Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.7GHz Memory: 6144MB RAM System Model: MS-7350 Card name: ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series I also notice a significant increase in temperature In the past I had around 64¦C (GPU) / 52¦C (CPU) while playing EVE Now I have 76¦C (GPU) / 65¦C (CPU) while playing EVE FPS drop from 60 down to 18(lowest) 30fps (highest) with CQ Stable at 60fps in space EVE Closed while doing Office Work EVE Open for 10min (CQ) Please note: FAN speed is not correct (It shows 100% all the time)
Mater Dolorosa	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:18:00 - [295] Originally by: Solomon XI Just posted another request in the Incarna feedback forum about this topic. Still awaiting CCP Dev's. Just empty the game cash :)
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:22:00 - [296] Bumpy.
Dr Prometheus Caldari Gears of Construction	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:27:00 - [297] Edited by: Dr Prometheus on 22/06/2011 22:27:57 AMD Phenom X4 9950BE @ stock 4 GB Ram DDR2 1066 Radeon HD4870 1 GB DDR4 Pre-Incarna; no problem handling 4 clients at medium high settings. Post-Incarna: 4 Clients in CQ; Nuclear meltdown, memmory filled to the roof and beyond. Freezing the whole damn thing, temp never gets past the 70 degrees of CPU though. Capable of running 2 CQ clients, 3rd is possible but it already gets a bit slow. Outside: Better performance then before. Post-Incarna with CQ disabled; 4 Clients with no problem. So CCP please check your CQ. As it seems to be badly optimized. - Dude where is my Charon? -
Alagondar	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:27:00 - [298] ive no hardware problems with 2008 gear. just slightly lower fps in CQ - pc dosnt go into ferrari mode like it did with conan
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:31:00 - [299] Originally by: Solomon XI Just posted another request in the Incarna feedback forum about this topic. Still awaiting CCP Dev's. I was posting all this morning (alongside Zachstar - I think I'll begin to diverge from him a bit here) saying how I'd not seen a dramatic rise in temps. I commented that Prime95'ing your system should tell you the real scoop on your temps (well, for the CPU at least) and that likely this is more a cooling issue. Indeed, I still think a lot of this may be due to cooling - my new system built in the last 2 weeks (and thus dust/cable-clutter free) isn't seeing any particular jump in temps. I've mentioned that with CQ running on two clients I do see a noticeable rise in CPU utilization but temps are all in line with my pre-Incarna experience. I've seen at worst a 5 C rise in my GPU temps with two instances of CQ running concurrently (on an ATI 5770 - though I do in fact have my fan cranked up and I know some folks don't like the sound of jet engines running). Having said all that, I'll add that a dev response WOULD be greatly appreciated here in this instance. I think CCP Thrustmaster did post in the issues thread that optimization IS in fact being looked at - but that's a perhaps generic response and you're looking for something far more specific. So, supporting you here. While I may not be having an issue, there is certainly no doubt that many are noticing dramatic increases in temperatures across their cpus and gpus. I still agree with Zachstar in that EVE shouldn't tax your CPU like Prime95 (or other stress/benching software) does and that perhaps EVE here in this instance is highlighting poor cooling on overclocks and the like. But - I seem to recall you saying that you've run Prime95 Solomon. So - something is indeed up with CQ using massive amounts of resources that EVE previously did not. Regardless of my luck in not having issues, I too would like some form of a dev reply - even if it's just "chillax, we know, looking into it."
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:31:00 - [300] I find it so odd that some players don't have issues and others do - even those of us with higher end rigs.

Jiska Ensa	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:33:00 - [301] Didn't bother reading the threadnought this became, so not sure if this was mentioned: All equipment is engineered with a "safety factor". That said, unless you've changed something, a cpu, gpu, etc should not be capable of "burning out" no matter how long you run it at 100% for. If this indeed happened to you and you're not trollolololing, then you must have gotten a bad card or tried to overclock it.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:36:00 - [302] Bumping this again.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:41:00 - [303] MWD Engaged. Bumped.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:42:00 - [304] Originally by: Mr Epeen Weird that people are having problems. I'm not. In fact, the fan on my EVGA Classified GTX 590 barely spools up when I'm in CQ. That's at 1920x1200, all settings maxed. The cooler sitting on the i7 2600k same thing. A mere whisper. The fan in the Corsair AX1200 power supply. Idling along nowhere near max. I have to say I was quite impressed with the low overhead this expansion brought to the table. Whens the last time you people bought a can of air and blew the dust out of your systems? Mr Epeen Finally a sane person in this thread. :) I was beginning to think I was the only one. My GTX 580 isn't given me any problems either; nor my i7 980X. People just need to upgrade their system some, is all. --
Warpshade	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:43:00 - [305] Edited by: Warpshade on 22/06/2011 22:45:15 (Running just 1 client) I have a Nvidia 460GTX 1GB and being in the Captian Quatars for about 3mins my gfx card is hitting 80C and Im not letting it get higher, So turned CQ off. I have a Corsair 700D Obsidian case, 4x Corsair Fans, Corsair Liquid cooling for my CPU(I7-950) which is also getting a alot higher temp then normal, even though its only at 17-25% load whilest playing. Nothing is overclocked, all running at stock values. I was on Nvidia 270.61 drivers, updated to the latest 275.33 drivers same problem. Im playing on resolution of 1920x1080 and get 60fps(vsync) but the temp doesnt change regardless if the interior settings is set to Low, medium or high, or if the physics for the hair and material is turned off. No other game I have played does this even high specced games. I have already posted in this thread prior, but just thought the added info might help.
paineaser	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:44:00 - [306] Temperatures docked max gfx cpu 58 c core 1 62 c core 2 62 c core 3 63 c core 4 62 c ----------- undocked cpu only 51 c core 1 56c core 2 56c core 3 56c core 4 55c when docked cpu is abit high temp at 58c but most cpu,s are fine upto 65c before the paste starts to melt off and the cpu plastic bracket becomes brital and snaps lol
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:45:00 - [307] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Mr Epeen Weird that people are having problems. I'm not. In fact, the fan on my EVGA Classified GTX 590 barely spools up when I'm in CQ. That's at 1920x1200, all settings maxed. The cooler sitting on the i7 2600k same thing. A mere whisper. The fan in the Corsair AX1200 power supply. Idling along nowhere near max. I have to say I was quite impressed with the low overhead this expansion brought to the table. Whens the last time you people bought a can of air and blew the dust out of your systems? Mr Epeen Finally a sane person in this thread. :) I was beginning to think I was the only one. My GTX 580 isn't given me any problems either; nor my i7 980X. People just need to upgrade their system some, is all. I completely disagree. Read my system specifications through-out this thread and others. We're running higher end graphic cards, higher end CPU's, higher end memory, and our systems have more than enough cooling power. A hardware upgrade will no little to nothing to resolve these problems for those of us encountering them. Before offering suggestions, try reading the problems we're having and then offer your opinion. Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:53:00 - [308] HipCheck!
Katcaeks Caldari SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:56:00 - [309] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Mr Epeen Weird that people are having problems. I'm not. In fact, the fan on my EVGA Classified GTX 590 barely spools up when I'm in CQ. That's at 1920x1200, all settings maxed. The cooler sitting on the i7 2600k same thing. A mere whisper. The fan in the Corsair AX1200 power supply. Idling along nowhere near max. I have to say I was quite impressed with the low overhead this expansion brought to the table. Whens the last time you people bought a can of air and blew the dust out of your systems? Mr Epeen Finally a sane person in this thread. :) I was beginning to think I was the only one. My GTX 580 isn't given me any problems either; nor my i7 980X. People just need to upgrade their system some, is all. So saying a game runs perfectly on a top range PC with the latest best video card (which has two GPU cores I may add) is sane? I'd say it's something that doesn't need to be said. Running an i7 960, 12gig DDR3, two x GTX480 in SLI with surround vision enabled. EVE CQ drives both cores to 90-100% util and it starts to sound like a vacuum cleaner going off hitting about 90-93C on GPU 1 and 2. Granted, the 480 isn't the 5xx range, but for the top end card of the previous best nvidia range to have this issue with Incarna? You can't say that's just poor hardware. I might just wait till I upgrade again come the 6XX range to bother playing EVE. I'ts almost as if they wanted to help drive up Nvidia sales some...
Stevevaughn Renalard	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:06:00 - [310] its a shame after all these problems are voiced ccp doesnt even state any word that they even hear what people are saying. at $15 per person and say theres 40000 people thats $600,000 a month and they'll lose alot of these people due to broken equipment who have the minimum or higher specs to run the game....hmmm can we say bad press isnt there only problem.

Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:15:00 - [311] Originally by: Katcaeks So saying a game runs perfectly on a top range PC with the latest best video card (which has two GPU cores I may add) is sane? I'd say it's something that doesn't need to be said. I was saying it also runs fine on a single one of those GPU's, name on my own GTX 580. And even on my previous GTX 285, Incarna on sisi ran just fine (albeit for the vacuum cleaner in my case). Quote: Running an i7 960, 12gig DDR3, two x GTX480 in SLI with surround vision enabled. EVE CQ drives both cores to 90-100% util and it starts to sound like a vacuum cleaner going off hitting about 90-93C on GPU 1 and 2. Granted, the 480 isn't the 5xx range, but for the top end card of the previous best nvidia range to have this issue with Incarna? You can't say that's just poor hardware. I might just wait till I upgrade again come the 6XX range to bother playing EVE. 90-100% GPU load on a GTX 480? That feels a bit extreme. Like I said, with everything at max, at 1920x1200, my old GTX 285 ran CQ just fine too. Quote: I'ts almost as if they wanted to help drive up Nvidia sales some... Well, looking at the patch notes, they certainly screwed over people with an AMD card. On that we can agree. I mean, look at all the stuff that's disabled on AMD cards: were I an AMD customer, I'd be pretty upset right now. --
Fedeye Kin	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:23:00 - [312] I wanted to play space barbie not transformers where my rig transforms from a pc and into a toaster
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:24:00 - [313] First of all, let's get something straight: there's no magic in application software that will cause hardware to mysteriously overheat. Can a poorly written driver work with poorly designed hardware to result in damage by disabling critical cooling and protection? Yes. Is Eve Online a driver with that sort of access to your hardware? No. Eve Online is just another software application and cannot do anything more than ask your CPU and GPU to perform calculations, store data, and retrieve data. That's all either of those things do. It can ask your CPU and/or GPU to store a lot of data, retrieve a lot of data, and perform a lot of calculations, but that is all. There is no magic dust; no special sauce; no man behind the curtain. All Eve Online - all ANY application software - can ever do is ask your hardware to execute the instructions built into your hardware. Now, why might your computer start to overheat after installing and running something like Eve Online or Starcraft 2 (another application previously accused of damaging hardware)? Simply put: because more is being asked of it than is typically the case. Starcraft 2 and Eve Online's new captains' quarters feature represent a significant increase in hardware overhead. This means your CPU and GPU will be asked to do more and brought closer to running at their respective capacities. How much closer depends on your particular hardware. Many will see their CPU or GPU usage jump to at or nearly 100% capacity all the time while running Starcraft 2 or Eve Online's captains' quarters. In those cases, if the cooling in place is unable to keep the component temperatures within normal ranges, results may vary from slowness to crashing and even (in extreme cases) hardware failure. Now, is it Starcraft 2's fault or Eve Online's fault that the components overheated when they were run at or near their capacity? No. Such failures only EVER happen because there is not enough cooling in place. Eve Online is simply asking your CPU and GPU to store data, retrieve data, and run calculations. If doing those things (the only things those components CAN do) causes a component to fail, the fault is not with the software sending the instructions. You can say you put as many fans in your case as you like. You can say you run application X, Y, and Z all you like. You can say you have your A+, MCSE, and ACLU membership card. None of that makes a damn bit of difference to the plain and simple reality that all Eve Online is doing is asking your CPU and GPU to store data, retrieve data, and perform calculations. If your components fail while doing those tasks due to overheating, it is - and can only ever be - because the cooling in place is insufficient. My personal experience has been that while running the captains' quarters on the two 1920x1080 fixed window max quality instances (two copies of Eve open at once on the same computer), my framerates on both are constant at around 30 and my CPU usage is about 12 -14%. CPU and GPU temps are a few degress higher than they were prior to the patch, which is consistent with the higher usage (used to be 8 - 9% with two copies of Eve open). When undocked, my framerates jump into the 50s and my CPU usage drops to about 8%. What you should take away from this is that there's no magic smoke in the computer and no mystery instruction or bug in Eve Online or any other application which can cause your hardware to overheat. CCP certainly has a lot of room to make the captains' quarters feature less hardware-intensive, but they have no way to fix overheating hardware. Anyone having problems with overheating has a cooling problem; NOT a software problem.
Faza Hezxor	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:35:00 - [314] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Mr Epeen Weird that people are having problems. I'm not. In fact, the fan on my EVGA Classified GTX 590 barely spools up when I'm in CQ. That's at 1920x1200, all settings maxed. The cooler sitting on the i7 2600k same thing. A mere whisper. The fan in the Corsair AX1200 power supply. Idling along nowhere near max. I have to say I was quite impressed with the low overhead this expansion brought to the table. Whens the last time you people bought a can of air and blew the dust out of your systems? Mr Epeen Finally a sane person in this thread. :) I was beginning to think I was the only one. My GTX 580 isn't given me any problems either; nor my i7 980X. People just need to upgrade their system some, is all. I am sorry to say, but my GTX 580 and i7 920 @ 4.2ghz had the same problem people reported here. It never overheated before, and that is running GPUGrid most of the time. 2 BSOD since Incarna, while the system is otherwise rock stable (furmark, prime95, gpugrid tested). I doubt it's intended for people to need 600$+ gpu and 1000$+ cpu to enjoy the game
Quindaster	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:39:00 - [315] Eve is NOT use your GPU, it use CPU only. My Nvidia 285 GTX work on 40% only when my CPU load on 100% and I have only 10-15 FPS after Incarna on 2.8 Ghz Core 2 Due and my CPU burn on 93 degrees all the time, before last 3 patch it was around 78 degrees only. This game start to be worse and worse after every patch. Nothing useful for game play. Obly much more new and old and very old bugs return, and after every patch you CPU load much more for nothing. I now play on low-low-low settings and it doesn't help, this game simply use your CPU even if you sit in DOCK, and after incarna your FPS in dock in CQ fall to 50%.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:41:00 - [316] Bump
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:50:00 - [317] Bump for great justice!
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:52:00 - [318] Bump.
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:54:00 - [319] Originally by: Quindaster Eve is NOT use your GPU, it use CPU only. My Nvidia 285 GTX work on 40% only when my CPU load on 100% and I have only 10-15 FPS after Incarna on 2.8 Ghz Core 2 Due and my CPU burn on 93 degrees all the time, before last 3 patch it was around 78 degrees only. WHAT THE **** MAN CLEAN YOUR BLOODY HEATSINK AND FAN NO DUAL CORE SHOULD BE 78 DEGREES EVER WTF.
Kasigi Caldari The Demi-Fallen Ones	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:57:00 - [320] Bumpety _______________

Jake Thraxton	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:02:00 - [321] Originally by: Loki Vengeance First of all, let's get something straight: there's no magic in application software that will cause hardware to mysteriously overheat. Can a poorly written driver work with poorly designed hardware to result in damage by disabling critical cooling and protection? Yes. Is Eve Online a driver with that sort of access to your hardware? No. Eve Online is just another software application and cannot do anything more than ask your CPU and GPU to perform calculations, store data, and retrieve data. That's all either of those things do. It can ask your CPU and/or GPU to store a lot of data, retrieve a lot of data, and perform a lot of calculations, but that is all. There is no magic dust; no special sauce; no man behind the curtain. All Eve Online - all ANY application software - can ever do is ask your hardware to execute the instructions built into your hardware. Now, why might your computer start to overheat after installing and running something like Eve Online or Starcraft 2 (another application previously accused of damaging hardware)? Simply put: because more is being asked of it than is typically the case. Starcraft 2 and Eve Online's new captains' quarters feature represent a significant increase in hardware overhead. This means your CPU and GPU will be asked to do more and brought closer to running at their respective capacities. How much closer depends on your particular hardware. Many will see their CPU or GPU usage jump to at or nearly 100% capacity all the time while running Starcraft 2 or Eve Online's captains' quarters. In those cases, if the cooling in place is unable to keep the component temperatures within normal ranges, results may vary from slowness to crashing and even (in extreme cases) hardware failure. Now, is it Starcraft 2's fault or Eve Online's fault that the components overheated when they were run at or near their capacity? No. Such failures only EVER happen because there is not enough cooling in place. Eve Online is simply asking your CPU and GPU to store data, retrieve data, and run calculations. If doing those things (the only things those components CAN do) causes a component to fail, the fault is not with the software sending the instructions. You can say you put as many fans in your case as you like. You can say you run application X, Y, and Z all you like. You can say you have your A+, MCSE, and ACLU membership card. None of that makes a damn bit of difference to the plain and simple reality that all Eve Online is doing is asking your CPU and GPU to store data, retrieve data, and perform calculations. If your components fail while doing those tasks due to overheating, it is - and can only ever be - because the cooling in place is insufficient. My personal experience has been that while running the captains' quarters on the two 1920x1080 fixed window max quality instances (two copies of Eve open at once on the same computer), my framerates on both are constant at around 30 and my CPU usage is about 12 -14%. CPU and GPU temps are a few degress higher than they were prior to the patch, which is consistent with the higher usage (used to be 8 - 9% with two copies of Eve open). When undocked, my framerates jump into the 50s and my CPU usage drops to about 8%. What you should take away from this is that there's no magic smoke in the computer and no mystery instruction or bug in Eve Online or any other application which can cause your hardware to overheat. CCP certainly has a lot of room to make the captains' quarters feature less hardware-intensive, but they have no way to fix overheating hardware. Anyone having problems with overheating has a cooling problem; NOT a software problem. again, different computers do different things, those that Have working computers; great! stop telling us were wrong, if we were our computers all wouldn't suddenly be suddenly having problems. play eve, have fun, were not getting any enjoyment out of not playing
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:04:00 - [322] Bump.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [323] Bump.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:15:00 - [324] Bump.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:21:00 - [325] Nudge.
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:22:00 - [326] Windows 7 Pro x64 12GB RAM Nvidia Geforce GTX 590 (4gb) Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU x990 Corsair Hydro H70 Liquid Cooling Creative SoundBlaster X-fi Titanium HD 120 GB SSD for OS 250 GB SSD for main games (like EVE) 600 GB Velociraptor (10.000 RPM) for storage and more games Yes I am needlessy adding information about my computer to show off, feel free to flame me for it..oh and EVE runs constantly at 60.2 or more FPS undocked, or docked with full graphics, with 3 clients going at once on 2 monitors. CPU temp: 35 Gfx temp: 42 (close to idle temp) In other words, my system barely knows EVE is there and running. My point? While it may seem utter gratuitous strutting on my part, I actually have a point... These systems that people post having major issues aren't bad. Some of them are quite good, and I know this from building and fixing computers for a living - So either EVE is extremely preferential on what computers it likes (not impossible, but a bit unlikely), or there is an unnoticed and obscure configuration problem somewhere with the individual machine. Something that, under certain graphical conditions and use of computer hardware features, turns torpedo. Some games don't make use of the same features that EVE does if available. EVE is practically known for using modern graphics technologies as well as processing technology...The issue could also be bad hardware, poor cooling and/or airflow, poor hardware compatibility, poor ventilation (not to be mistaken for cooling), poor drivers and poor maintenance (properly seating your hardware, cleaning out dust every 3rd month (every month if you're a smoker at your PC) and cleaning your filters is VERY important (cleaning your isn't a bad idea either)) It could be a mix of all of these, combined with EVE being a bit uh ...fascist crackpot about certain systems..But one thing is certain, you're always better off checking your own system thoroughly first, with the help of a computer wiz friend if you have one, before blaming EVE. Many of the systems posted should run EVE with as much ease as my system, at least with 1 client. At least from my experience...I don't claim myself as an ultimate authority on this stuff, but I do have many years of experience in this field. Take my word for it if you wish.
Kile Kitmoore	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:38:00 - [327] My specs: Win 7 64 Pro AMD II X4 955 Deneb 3.2GHz 4 GB memory XFX 5770 ATI Before patch, running two clients, EVE barley registered on CPU/GPU and memory usage. CPU would occasionally jump 30% on a single core but everything ran typically well bellow 20%. Memory usage was under 300K, I think. GPU under 40% activity. After patch, and loading CQ in a single client, CPU jumps to 50% across all 4 cores, memory gets up to 945K and GPU jumps to about 70%. Now add another client with CQ up and CPU jumps all the way to 80%, the other EVE client takes another 945k and GPU climbs to about 85% utilization. Now, this system I built was burned in extensively so this increase EVE needs to run is not going to burn anything up, constant 80% CPU utilization gets to about 52 degrees Celsius. Prime95 running for 24+ hours never got to 57, so I am not concerned. GPU with 100% utilization gets to bout 80 degrees. What does concern me is the tradeoff. If these are the new demands for EVE and the tradeoff is CQ it begs the question was it worth it? We are talking about a single player experience with very little functionality with system load that rivals or exceeds that of a modern FPS. Hopefully CCP discovers a common problem with people that are having problems and over the course of the next couple of weeks a patch will further optimize or fix something. Turning off CQ is an option but again trading hanger view with a static "Loading" screen is yet another tradeoff that isn't worth it.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:42:00 - [328] Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/06/2011 00:28:58 Windows 7 Pro x64 12GB RAM Nvidia Geforce GTX 590 (4gb) Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU x990 Corsair Hydro H70 Liquid Cooling Creative SoundBlaster X-fi Titanium HD Rampage III Black Edition ROG Motherboard 120 GB SSD for OS 250 GB SSD for main games (like EVE) 600 GB Velociraptor (10.000 RPM) for storage and more games Yes I am needlessy adding information about my computer to show off, feel free to flame me for it..oh and EVE runs constantly at 60.2 or more FPS undocked, or docked with full graphics, with 3 clients going at once on 2 monitors. CPU temp: 35 Gfx temp: 42 (close to idle temp) In other words, my system barely knows EVE is there and running. My point? While it may seem utter gratuitous strutting on my part, I actually have a point... These systems that people post having major issues aren't bad. Some of them are quite good, and I know this from building and fixing computers for a living - So either EVE is extremely preferential on what computers it likes (not impossible, but a bit unlikely), or there is an unnoticed and obscure configuration problem somewhere with the individual machine. Something that, under certain graphical conditions and use of computer hardware features, turns torpedo. Some games don't make use of the same features that EVE does if available. EVE is practically known for using modern graphics technologies as well as processing technology...The issue could also be bad hardware, poor cooling and/or airflow, poor hardware compatibility (Yes certain RAM don't work well with certain motherboards. Look for the QVL (Qualified Vendor List) on your motherboard), poor ventilation (not to be mistaken for cooling), poor drivers and poor maintenance (properly seating your hardware, cleaning out dust every 3rd month (every month if you're a smoker at your PC) and cleaning your filters is VERY important (cleaning your isn't a bad idea either)) It could be a mix of all of these, combined with EVE being a bit uh ...fascist crackpot about certain systems..But one thing is certain, you're always better off checking your own system thoroughly first, with the help of a computer wiz friend if you have one, before blaming EVE. Many of the systems posted should run EVE with as much ease as my system, at least with 1 client. At least from my experience...I don't claim myself as an ultimate authority on this stuff, but I do have many years of experience in this field. Take my word for it if you wish. I can't speak for anyone else but I have checked over my system. I can't find any configuration issues, any updates, just a whole lot of nothing. I keep coming back to the conclusion that there's a line of code somewhere in the Engine being used by CCP and they have yet to say anything to dispute that.
Abbie Kinkaid	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:42:00 - [329] I gather from reading this thread that most of the problems are occurring when running multiple clients on a single PC. I donÆt see this as necessarily being an issue with CCPÆs code, more a problem with the type of environment that is running. EVE in space is a lot less graphically intensive than CQ. Therefore systems could/can run more clients when in space, than when docked with CQ active. Try running multiple clients of another MMO û I tried running two WoW clients in January. FPS went through the floor, and my CPU and GPU did their best to overheat. Does that sound familiar? In CQ there are a huge number of objects that need to be rendered. Frankly, IÆm not surprised that graphics cards are having a fit when attempting to run multiple instances of it. Do I multibox? Yes, but in the true sense of the word û I run 1 client on each of 3 PCÆs while using software to make them appear as a single system (mouse off one screen onto another, copy & paste between systems,etc).
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:44:00 - [330] Originally by: Abbie Kinkaid I gather from reading this thread that most of the problems are occurring when running multiple clients on a single PC. I donÆt see this as necessarily being an issue with CCPÆs code, more a problem with the type of environment that is running. Single clients only for the most part (my issues deal with a single client & I am too afraid to dual client atm), some complaining about dual client (CCP warned them in a Dev blog).

Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:50:00 - [331] Originally by: Solomon XI Single clients only for the most part (my issues deal with a single client & I am too afraid to dual client atm), some complaining about dual client (CCP warned them in a Dev blog). And some of us are giving info about our experiences with single clients AND dual clients to give as full a view of the situation as possible. I feel for the folks having difficulties and consider myself lucky in that I'm not seeing an issue. Regardless, enough people have posted with similar experiences that it certainly seems that SOMETHING is afoot. Is it poor cooling as some (myself included) have postulated? Is it poor coding? Hell, Akita T has been posting links to his original observations from CQ on SISI - in effect, that he saw dramatic temperature increases. I personally tend to take Akita T as a gold-plated forum standard. I'm not sure I've ever really disagreed with the man. I saw his SISI experience post and headed over to SISI on Saturday to test this myself. As I've said, no real problems for me. But, again, it sure does seem that a non-trivial number of folks are reporting issues. Here's a bump for you, I do think a dev reply is warranted. And in looking at the way I ended up quoting you, I sure hope it doesn't look like I'm somehow disputing you - more supporting you in that it's BOTH a single AND a multiple client issue.
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:53:00 - [332] Bump for all the Butthurt nerds ITT with P4's trying to play latest games. inb4 my stalker _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:54:00 - [333] O_o Nudge, Nudge, Hint, Hint, Wink, Wink. o_O
Kile Kitmoore	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:54:00 - [334] Originally by: Abbie Kinkaid I gather from reading this thread that most of the problems are occurring when running multiple clients on a single PC. I donÆt see this as necessarily being an issue with CCPÆs code, more a problem with the type of environment that is running. EVE in space is a lot less graphically intensive than CQ. Therefore systems could/can run more clients when in space, than when docked with CQ active. Try running multiple clients of another MMO û I tried running two WoW clients in January. FPS went through the floor, and my CPU and GPU did their best to overheat. Does that sound familiar? In CQ there are a huge number of objects that need to be rendered. Frankly, IÆm not surprised that graphics cards are having a fit when attempting to run multiple instances of it. Do I multibox? Yes, but in the true sense of the word û I run 1 client on each of 3 PCÆs while using software to make them appear as a single system (mouse off one screen onto another, copy & paste between systems,etc). I do agree with the your general sentiment but even a single client seems to require a lot more computer power, and again, why? I am not walking in some giant station with hundreds of other players and staring out a window showing me a real view of the outside. The other thing I would just like to point out, CCP actively markets to it's existing customer base to add accounts. The game is built for multi-client, at least it was.
Rasz Lin Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:55:00 - [335] overheating computer = computer that was broken BEFORE starting up the game
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:59:00 - [336] Originally by: Rasz Lin overheating computer = computer that was broken BEFORE starting up the game Hey look another idiot said something without reading the topic. What a surprise.
Sassums Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:01:00 - [337] I have the following: Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 2GB Ram (2 more on the way) Nvidia 560TI (1gb DDR5) At idle, with just windows XP running, the CPUs' temperature fluctuates around 50-54C. When I launch EVE, the CPUs' temperature rises to around 65C. Why is the game causing so much heat? I checked with Intel, and they said the normal operating temperature is around 61C. Graphics card's heat doesn't rise, but I am getting only 30FPS with maxed settings, vs before where I was getting 100. What is the problem? Haven't had this problem before, and it doesn't happen on other games.
Crasniya	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:05:00 - [338] Nothing wrong with the game, Solomon, you have a cruddy processor, deal with it. AMDs always run significantly hotter than their Intel counterparts. Occasionally AMD may be the first out with a faster processor, but Intels run consistently more efficiently and cooler than AMDs. If you want to do anything processor intensive, and you want your computer to last for more than a year, you buy Intel. I have a Q8300 Core 2 Quad, and I'm using about 40-50% processor power with EVE Incarna on high settings and several Chrome tabs while walking around in dock.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:07:00 - [339] I have to go for a while however I'll be camping this thread when I return & it will return to the front page if it's not when I get back. Any CCP Developers care to comment, yet?
Borkers	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:07:00 - [340] If your system is not stable under sustained 100% load, your system is defective. If your CPU or GPU are capable of putting out more heat than your cooling is capable of dissipating, then your cooling is inadequate; if your specs say your cooling is adequate then your system does not meet those specs. Your system may have high-end specs and cooling, but hardware defects and incorrect installations happen. If your car has bald tires, it will be drivable at 25mph. Hard cornering at 90mph will break something. It's not because of a defective gas pedal or steering wheel.

Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:09:00 - [341] The game is causing so much heat because it is actually using the resources of the CPU and GPU now. CPU is decoding the video on those displays and many other things to balance with the GPU rending the many polygons. Nothing is wrong with this the issue with many people is that now their dust filled, cooled by a single clogged fan PCs are being stressed and so are not able to handle the required TDP. Not CCPs fault.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:10:00 - [342] Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 01:11:53 Originally by: Borkers If your system is not stable under sustained 100% load, your system is defective. If your CPU or GPU are capable of putting out more heat than your cooling is capable of dissipating, then your cooling is inadequate; if your specs say your cooling is adequate then your system does not meet those specs. Your system may have high-end specs and cooling, but hardware defects and incorrect installations happen. If your car has bald tires, it will be drivable at 25mph. Hard cornering at 90mph will break something. It's not because of a defective gas pedal or steering wheel. And if you read the thread, you'll quickly realize that this issue is happening to many others as well. Furthermore, I've stress-tested this system and everything works as how it should. The cooling is more than adequate in both specification and real world operation. It is also properly built and clean. Originally by: Zachstar The game is causing so much heat because it is actually using the resources of the CPU and GPU now. CPU is decoding the video on those displays and many other things to balance with the GPU rending the many polygons. Nothing is wrong with this the issue with many people is that now their dust filled, cooled by a single clogged fan PCs are being stressed and so are not able to handle the required TDP. Not CCPs fault. However it should not tax the CPU to the extremes that it is. Furthermore, my computer is clean. My cooling and GPU are more than enough to handle more intense gaming. Incarna is just poorly coded and it needs to be fixed. This IS a CCP issue.
OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:12:00 - [343] Edited by: OMGWTFResearch on 23/06/2011 01:12:40 Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 01:08:10 I have to go for a while however I'll be camping this thread when I return & it will return to the front page if it's not when I get back. Any CCP Developers care to comment, yet? Originally by: Crasniya Nothing wrong with the game, Solomon, you have a cruddy processor, deal with it. AMDs always run significantly hotter than their Intel counterparts. Occasionally AMD may be the first out with a faster processor, but Intels run consistently more efficiently and cooler than AMDs. If you want to do anything processor intensive, and you want your computer to last for more than a year, you buy Intel. I have a Q8300 Core 2 Quad, and I'm using about 40-50% processor power with EVE Incarna on high settings and several Chrome tabs while walking around in dock. And you obviously have not read the remainder of the topic as you would see Intel peeps are having issues too. Furthermore, no other PC game and/or application taxes my CPU to these levels even under stress tests. Read the topic otherwise you're not allowed to speak. K? I seriously question if you actually ran those Stress tests for as long as required for a true test. Edit: Geez what have I walked into. So many people who have NO understanding of ventilation
Crasniya	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:12:00 - [344] Originally by: Solomon XI And you obviously have not read the remainder of the topic as you would see Intel peeps are having issues too. Furthermore, no other PC game and/or application taxes my CPU to these levels even under stress tests. Read the topic otherwise you're not allowed to speak. K? I read it, thank you. However, while it does use more processing power than out-of-dock operations, it's fairly minimal compared to most games today. An actual "high end gaming rig" would have no difficulty at all with it. Those with computers made in the last two-three years who are having issues, probably need to optimize a few things to get their computers running smoother. I play a lot of games that are far more taxing on my equipment than this. Furthermore, even when I max out my graphics card and CPU doing things like 3D model rendering, video processing, etc... which absolutely 100% out my system resources, I have no heat problems. You're doing it wrong. Sincerely, Crasniya.
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:12:00 - [345] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Bump for all the Butthurt nerds ITT with P4's trying to play latest games. inb4 my stalker (who is mad.) bump _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
Ildryn	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:13:00 - [346] Windows 7 x64 AMD Athlon x2 240 2.8ghz 4 GB DDR2 Extreme Ram Nvidia GeForce 9500 GT 1024MB Running at 50FPS with full graphics CPU temp is between 30c and 42c Load has increased to 48% No problems dual boxing on 2 monitors
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:14:00 - [347] Originally by: Crasniya Originally by: Solomon XI And you obviously have not read the remainder of the topic as you would see Intel peeps are having issues too. Furthermore, no other PC game and/or application taxes my CPU to these levels even under stress tests. Read the topic otherwise you're not allowed to speak. K? I read it, thank you. However, while it does use more processing power than out-of-dock operations, it's fairly minimal compared to most games today. An actual "high end gaming rig" would have no difficulty at all with it. Those with computers made in the last two-three years who are having issues, probably need to optimize a few things to get their computers running smoother. I play a lot of games that are far more taxing on my equipment than this. Furthermore, even when I max out my graphics card and CPU doing things like 3D model rendering, video processing, etc... which absolutely 100% out my system resources, I have no heat problems. You're doing it wrong. Sincerely, Crasniya. Minimal for some and excessive for others. It should not use more resources than Crysis or Crysis II for a single avatar in a living room. Even Second Life which is by far more complex on the highest settings does not tax the CPU/GPU nearly as much. Originally by: OMGWTFResearch Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 01:08:10 I have to go for a while however I'll be camping this thread when I return & it will return to the front page if it's not when I get back. Any CCP Developers care to comment, yet? Originally by: Crasniya Nothing wrong with the game, Solomon, you have a cruddy processor, deal with it. AMDs always run significantly hotter than their Intel counterparts. Occasionally AMD may be the first out with a faster processor, but Intels run consistently more efficiently and cooler than AMDs. If you want to do anything processor intensive, and you want your computer to last for more than a year, you buy Intel. I have a Q8300 Core 2 Quad, and I'm using about 40-50% processor power with EVE Incarna on high settings and several Chrome tabs while walking around in dock. And you obviously have not read the remainder of the topic as you would see Intel peeps are having issues too. Furthermore, no other PC game and/or application taxes my CPU to these levels even under stress tests. Read the topic otherwise you're not allowed to speak. K? I seriously question if you actually ran those Stress tests for as long as required for a true test. I ran mine for 17 hours consistent. More than long enough.
Crasniya	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:17:00 - [348] Originally by: Solomon XI Minimal for some and excessive for others. It should not use more resources than Crysis or Crysis II for a single avatar in a living room. Even Second Life which is by far more complex on the highest settings does not tax the CPU/GPU nearly as much. Crysis II is much lighter on graphics requirements than the original Crysis. But um... if you can play Crysis, and you can't play EVE... either you're crazy, or your computer's broken. What the heck do you need 12 bloody fans for? I have the two fans that are built into my cheap-as-heck Acer when I bought it.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:20:00 - [349] Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 01:20:55 Originally by: Crasniya Originally by: Solomon XI Minimal for some and excessive for others. It should not use more resources than Crysis or Crysis II for a single avatar in a living room. Even Second Life which is by far more complex on the highest settings does not tax the CPU/GPU nearly as much. Crysis II is much lighter on graphics requirements than the original Crysis. But um... if you can play Crysis, and you can't play EVE... either you're crazy, or your computer's broken. What the heck do you need 12 bloody fans for? I have the two fans that are built into my cheap-as-heck Acer when I bought it. They came with the case so what the hell, right? Like I said, this is an Eve Online issue. Read the other complaints and they're generally similar. This patch is putting too much load on newish machines. Mines perfect right now setup wise. I built it. The system is clean, the thermal paste is great, excellent heat sink, great cable management. Checked drivers, updates, etc. This IS an Eve issue. Most likely a line of code in their Engine somewhere that they need to find and kill.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:22:00 - [350] Originally by: Crasniya I read it, thank you. However, while it does use more processing power than out-of-dock operations, it's fairly minimal compared to most games today. An actual "high end gaming rig" would have no difficulty at all with it. Those with computers made in the last two-three years who are having issues, probably need to optimize a few things to get their computers running smoother. I play a lot of games that are far more taxing on my equipment than this. Furthermore, even when I max out my graphics card and CPU doing things like 3D model rendering, video processing, etc... which absolutely 100% out my system resources, I have no heat problems. You're doing it wrong. Sincerely, Crasniya. This man speaketh the truth; though few there be who are willing to hear it. --

Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:26:00 - [351] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Crasniya I read it, thank you. However, while it does use more processing power than out-of-dock operations, it's fairly minimal compared to most games today. An actual "high end gaming rig" would have no difficulty at all with it. Those with computers made in the last two-three years who are having issues, probably need to optimize a few things to get their computers running smoother. I play a lot of games that are far more taxing on my equipment than this. Furthermore, even when I max out my graphics card and CPU doing things like 3D model rendering, video processing, etc... which absolutely 100% out my system resources, I have no heat problems. You're doing it wrong. Sincerely, Crasniya. This man speaketh the truth; though few there be who are willing to hear it. I'll beg to differ. I know what I'm doing. I built this system from the ground up, customized it properly, bench-marked it, stress tested it, and have put it through a rough initiation. And yet Eve Incarna is breaking it when by all standards and accounts, it shouldn't be. The Incarna Engine is either faulty, there is a bad line of code somewhere, or the engine just discriminates at random. Either way - CCP needs to fix it. Also notice that CCP has said nothing to either confirm nor deny their code may possibly be slightly screwed up. Until a CCP Developer says something, we're going with my belief. This topic will not die until I have a developer's eyes on it.
Debbie Hakomairos	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:30:00 - [352] I have no problem with 2 CQ clients on my PC, one at 1920x1080, other at 1680x1050 max settings on the following hardware/OS: Intel Quad 2600 16GB DDR3 GTX 570 Win 7 x64 Everything is stock cooled with no issues.
Crasniya	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:32:00 - [353] Originally by: Solomon XI They came with the case so what the hell, right? Your case came with twelve fans? Can I make the assumption they're all pointed in an intelligible way to create a good airflow through the box? Since you've checked everything else, I'll assume they are. External airflow? Is your CPU tucked in a corner with stuff on it? While some Intels have reported problems, and then usually they were Core 2 Duo or below, most I've seen were AMDs. It could very well be a line of code that AMDs don't work well with, which isn't exactly uncommon, every game dev has to put up with substandard hardware that doesn't meet standards on occasion. I can't imagine it being relating to your graphics card, as I said, your 460 is just a step above my 450, and I'm doing fine. The question I would have for you is... Did you test this when it was on Sisi? If they didn't see it on Sisi, they can't be expected to have foreseen it happening on Tranq.
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:36:00 - [354] When people say if your system is overheating due to the game, it's a problem with your system, they're technically correct. Your system is being pushed to 80-100% capacity and it overheats - that's a system issue. That is NOT the problem, though. The problem is there is no way that CQ should ever push some of these systems listed to 80-100%. No way in hell. The problem is that this is happening across a range of systems where it should not be. And that IS an issue on CCP's side. It's a problem with optimization.
Azureblaze Vanedal	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:41:00 - [355] Edited by: Azureblaze Vanedal on 23/06/2011 01:46:53 Edited by: Azureblaze Vanedal on 23/06/2011 01:43:47 Originally by: Borkers If your system is not stable under sustained 100% load, your system is defective. If your CPU or GPU are capable of putting out more heat than your cooling is capable of dissipating, then your cooling is inadequate; if your specs say your cooling is adequate then your system does not meet those specs. Your system may have high-end specs and cooling, but hardware defects and incorrect installations happen. If your car has bald tires, it will be drivable at 25mph. Hard cornering at 90mph will break something. It's not because of a defective gas pedal or steering wheel. This^^ I have to say OP that something is wrong with your cooling situation or new hardware, even though you have 10 fans. Just because it's new hardware does NOT mean it is stable. GPU's can generally take more heat than a CPU. If your GPU is getting hot it can and will effect your CPU/Motherboard, and make them even hotter. I'd lean towards your CPU not getting enough cooling and or your motherboard getting too much heat. Even though above is true it seems like EVE does need to optimize their CQ graphics engine to use less CPU/GPU resources. I base this off the fact that many people seem to be having issues, even when turning down their graphics for CQ. More engine optimization seems needed. This is not surprising, as a first actual release to a real wide audience of a new engine would likely need to be optimized for performance anyway. Maybe they still have the debug on which is causing extra load? I wouldn't be surprised.
Borkers	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:04:00 - [356] I stand by my position that any damaged hardware is almost certainly because of bad hardware, not a genuine CCP "bug". That said, the fact that rendering a small, static, relatively simple environment (CQ) or basically the same environment as previous versions (space) causes so much stress is an indication of sloppy programming. Sloppy programming won't burn motherboards, but that doesn't mean we should accept it. In the case of CQ, using those extra processor cycles to make the game worse just adds insult to injury.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:13:00 - [357] Alright. Enough. I am tired of ignorant trolls and stupid questions clouding a legitimate thread that absolutely needs a Developers response. I am writing this from my cellular so please bare with me. Having proper cooling in my system is not the issue. Let me say that again ... my system is properly cooled. My case is an Azza Hurricane ATX tower with multiple fans (google it). All of the fans are properly placed for optimal airflow and I verified this. My CPU is properly cooled. I have a Noctua heatsink with two fans on it. It provides near equal cooling to that of a liquid cooling system. I used Artic Silver thermal paste (properly applied as recommended by both AMD and Noctua). My system has proper and very clean cable management. La viva modular power supplies. My system is extremely clean as I dust it out daily. I'm anal about that. My motherboard has an exhaust fan behind it to remove ambient heat. See the case for details of fan placement. My RAM is air cooled and has their own heatsinks. No other game has taxed my system to an overheat. Extended stress tests did not overheat my system. 17 hours at max load had me running 53c on the cpu. All drivers are up to date. No hardware conflicts exist. This is an issue with the Eve Incarna engine. Period.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:15:00 - [358] Here's a nice view of Incarna, with the GPU at 85C and the CPU at 50C. That is to say, "normal." ___ Latest video: Future Proof (720p) 2D Animator
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:25:00 - [359] Bump. Yes I'm campingthis thread from my cell phone now.
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:31:00 - [360] Originally by: Jake Thraxton Originally by: Loki Vengeance <snip> What you should take away from this is that there's no magic smoke in the computer and no mystery instruction or bug in Eve Online or any other application which can cause your hardware to overheat. CCP certainly has a lot of room to make the captains' quarters feature less hardware-intensive, but they have no way to fix overheating hardware. Anyone having problems with overheating has a cooling problem; NOT a software problem. again, different computers do different things, those that Have working computers; great! stop telling us were wrong, if we were our computers all wouldn't suddenly be suddenly having problems. play eve, have fun, were not getting any enjoyment out of not playing I'm not telling you that your computer is working correctly or that Eve is running perfectly on your computer. What I'm telling you is that your rage is misdirected. All Eve Online can do is ask your CPU and GPU to process instructions as fast as they can. If your CPU and/or GPU are overheating when they're processing instructions as fast as they can, it's not CCP's fault; that's a simple lack of proper cooling. Yelling at CCP because their new code is inefficient and/or a resource hog is perfectly valid. Yelling at CCP because your CPU and/or GPU overheats when it's run at capacity is ridiculous. You may as well write a scathing letter to Santa. Both he and CCP are equally responsible for your system's inability to maintain a proper operating temperature for its components.

Leelo Miles	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:34:00 - [361] Incarna is def putting a lot more of a strain on my computer. 1 client running brings my cpu up to 80C and thats sitting in space idle doing nothing. Normal temp for my computer is between 43C-50C. Pre incarna i could run 4 accounts at once and MAYBE hit 80C. if i cant use 1 client without fear, much less 4 then really no need in me playing at all. my 5 accounts have roughly 6 days before they will require renewal. thats 75 bucks come 6 days from now. depending on what happens in the next 6 days will determine if u loose that 75 dollars and the currency that would follow it. Mac OS X 10.6.7 2.52 GHz core 2 duo 8GB ddr3 nvidia 9400m P.S. $60 dollars for an eye piece!??!? HAVE U SEEN GAS PRICES?!?
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:35:00 - [362] I couldn't help but notice the continued lack of bluebar. U mad?
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:39:00 - [363] Solomon, while your point is valid and understood, it does not invalidate what other people are saying. That includes me, and I'm on your side that there is an issue. A game can't magically make your system overheat just because it takes it to 100% CPU and GPU load. If it does that, then it's going to overheat when it gets to 100% load no matter what. That's what people are saying and they're correct. The real issue is that somehow a static room with a few moving signs, blinking lights, and a character model is pushing some people's CPU or GPU to constant 100% while standing still. Really? CCP, I'm sorry, but the graphics are not that good. You've got bigtime optimization issues with your engine. In some ways, this is similar to what happened with Trine. A tiny independent side scroller that did nearly everything (including heavy physics calcs) on the GPU. And sure enough, because it dumped nearly everything along with the heavy phys calcs onto the GPU, most everyone's GPU ran at 100% constantly and there were overheating problems for many people. When the game was better optimized, those problems diminished for most. And that brings me to another point. Most video cards, even with a good cooling solution and good case air flow, do not like being run constantly at 100%. And that's what the CQ is doing - it's a near constant 100% for some people. If you watch a normal game load on a GPU, there are plenty of peaks and valleys in the utilization. GPU's and their cooling solutions are designed with that in mind and they can dump a lot of heat during those brief valleys. There is no chance to do that when it runs at 100% all the time. A game that renders a nearly static room and a character model at near 100% constant GPU usage (on a modern card) has issues. And it's not happening for everyone, but it's apparently happening to a fair number of people. It's something CCP will have to address.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:39:00 - [364] Originally by: Loki Vengeance Originally by: Jake Thraxton Originally by: Loki Vengeance <snip> What you should take away from this is that there's no magic smoke in the computer and no mystery instruction or bug in Eve Online or any other application which can cause your hardware to overheat. CCP certainly has a lot of room to make the captains' quarters feature less hardware-intensive, but they have no way to fix overheating hardware. Anyone having problems with overheating has a cooling problem; NOT a software problem. again, different computers do different things, those that Have working computers; great! stop telling us were wrong, if we were our computers all wouldn't suddenly be suddenly having problems. play eve, have fun, were not getting any enjoyment out of not playing I'm not telling you that your computer is working correctly or that Eve is running perfectly on your computer. What I'm telling you is that your rage is misdirected. All Eve Online can do is ask your CPU and GPU to process instructions as fast as they can. If your CPU and/or GPU are overheating when they're processing instructions as fast as they can, it's not CCP's fault; that's a simple lack of proper cooling. Yelling at CCP because their new code is inefficient and/or a resource hog is perfectly valid. Yelling at CCP because your CPU and/or GPU overheats when it's run at capacity is ridiculous. You may as well write a scathing letter to Santa. Both he and CCP are equally responsible for your system's inability to maintain a proper operating temperature for its components. When their poor coding puts maximum load on a ga?ing rig like me (scroll up a few replies for complete info) and somehow pushes my rig to the point of overheating . . . The game is broken. Their coding is **** poor. there is no excuse. Period.
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:40:00 - [365] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 02:20:13 Alright. Enough. I am tired of ignorant trolls and stupid questions clouding a legitimate thread that absolutely needs a Developers response. I am writing this from my cellular so please bare with me. Having proper cooling in my system is not the issue. Let me say that again ... my system is properly cooled. My case is an Azza Hurricane ATX tower with multiple fans (google it). All of the fans are properly placed for optimal airflow and I verified this. My CPU is properly cooled. I have a Noctua heatsink with two fans on it. It provides near equal cooling to that of a liquid cooling system. I used Artic Silver thermal paste (properly applied as recommended by both AMD and Noctua). My system has proper and very clean cable management. La viva modular power supplies. My system is extremely clean as I dust it out daily. I'm anal about that. My motherboard has an exhaust fan behind it to remove ambient heat. See the case for details of fan placement. My RAM is air cooled and has their own heatsinks. No other game has taxed my system to an overheat. Extended stress tests did not overheat my system. 17 hours at max load had me running 53c on the cpu. All drivers are up to date. No hardware conflicts exist. My room temp hovers around 70F. My case has plenty of ventilization (see: open room). This is an issue with the Eve Incarna engine. Period. I'm afraid not. See, you keep saying your system has proper cooling. Then you say your system is overheating. If your system is overheating, it does not have proper cooling. If your system has proper cooling, it will not overheat. Eve Online is a simple software application. The worst it can possibly do is ask your CPU and GPU to process instructions as quickly as they can. If your CPU and/or GPU are unable to maintain proper operating temperatures while working at 100% of capacity, that is a cooling problem. It's inherently a cooling problem. The only other possible problems would be a firmware issue on the component (not CCP's problem) or a driver issue that interferes with cooling (also not CCP's problem). What CCP has done is handed you software that's running your computer components closer to their maximum capacity. If properly cooled, they will run at 100% of capacity 24/7/365 through the life of the warranty. If they don't, you have a valid warranty claim with the manufacturer. Intel and AMD don't give you a time limit on using their processors. Nor do AMD or nVidia with their GPUs. Their warranties specifically guarantee correct operation of the components while they remain under their max rated temperature. If any component's temperature is rising above its rated max, you have a cooling problem. No application software on God's green Earth is able to cause overheating. It can't happen. If CCP or Microsoft or the US military WANTED to make that happen, they couldn't. Not without a driver and hardware willing to listen to that driver. As CCP has access to neither, your rage is misdirected.
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:43:00 - [366] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Loki Vengeance Originally by: Jake Thraxton Originally by: Loki Vengeance <snip> What you should take away from this is that there's no magic smoke in the computer and no mystery instruction or bug in Eve Online or any other application which can cause your hardware to overheat. CCP certainly has a lot of room to make the captains' quarters feature less hardware-intensive, but they have no way to fix overheating hardware. Anyone having problems with overheating has a cooling problem; NOT a software problem. again, different computers do different things, those that Have working computers; great! stop telling us were wrong, if we were our computers all wouldn't suddenly be suddenly having problems. play eve, have fun, were not getting any enjoyment out of not playing I'm not telling you that your computer is working correctly or that Eve is running perfectly on your computer. What I'm telling you is that your rage is misdirected. All Eve Online can do is ask your CPU and GPU to process instructions as fast as they can. If your CPU and/or GPU are overheating when they're processing instructions as fast as they can, it's not CCP's fault; that's a simple lack of proper cooling. Yelling at CCP because their new code is inefficient and/or a resource hog is perfectly valid. Yelling at CCP because your CPU and/or GPU overheats when it's run at capacity is ridiculous. You may as well write a scathing letter to Santa. Both he and CCP are equally responsible for your system's inability to maintain a proper operating temperature for its components. When their poor coding puts maximum load on a ga?ing rig like me (scroll up a few replies for complete info) and somehow pushes my rig to the point of overheating . . . The game is broken. Their coding is **** poor. there is no excuse. Period. This is where you are lost. Their code - poorly written or otherwise - is INCAPABLE of causing your computer components to overheat. It's physically impossible. What the code is doing is telling your CPU/GPU to execute as many instructions as they can as quickly as they can. If your CPU/GPU are unable to do that without overheating, that's a cooling problem. There is no "overheat" option in any computer language.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:46:00 - [367] Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 02:46:37 Overheating aside ... Incarna should not be maxing this system out. Their game is poorly optimized and they need to fix it. Immediately.
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:46:00 - [368] I'm really sorry, but when someone says Originally by: Solomon XI This IS an Eve issue. Most likely a line of code in their Engine somewhere that they need to find and kill. and Originally by: Solomon XI My cooling and GPU are more than enough to handle more intense gaming. Incarna is just poorly coded and it needs to be fixed. This IS a CCP issue. They've already made their case on how little they understand about, not just, the relationship between hardware and software, but also how software development works. Now there is no question at all, that Incarna is imperfect. No software is perfect - And there is no question at all that we will see many fixes, some which will be performance related and give you better FPS and more bang for your buck in some sense. Thats how its always worked in EVE history and many other games out there. All that said, EVE is not going to: * Break your computer (ie. make it stop working) * Force your CPU to ignore its drivers and take it past safe heat levels * Overheat your GPU past tolerance levels of its drivers * Damage your hardware (No, boot.ini was software, not hardware) * Have 1 magic line of code that just needs to be fixed - this is a clichT of ignorance, its not how software development works, or ever has worked. EVE might have incompatibility issues with your rig and make it difficult, sporadically impossible, or even impossible until a major update for you to play the game, but thats about as much issue you're going to have. Beyond that, we're talking defective hardware, bad drivers, hardware incompatibilities, poor cooling and poor maintenance. You can chant the opposite as much as you want, it won't make any difference.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:49:00 - [369] Edited by: Zero GodOfDestruction on 23/06/2011 02:55:24 Edited by: Zero GodOfDestruction on 23/06/2011 02:52:30 Loki, you and solomon both have valid points, but the issue isn't just overheating, whoever's responsible. The issue is that a small room with one character, should not tax any reasonably updated system to its maximum, whether it be cpu or gpu. It just doesn't make sense, no matter how much detail. Edit: Also, the fact that CCP has neither confirmed or denied anything adds to the credibility that there is a problem on their part.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:51:00 - [370] Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction Loki, you and soloman both have valid points, but the issue isn't just overheating, whoever's responsible. The issue is that a small room with one character, should not tax any reasonably updated system to its maximum, whether it be cpu or gpu. It just doesn't make sense, no matter how much detail. Indeed.

xeitgeist	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:52:00 - [371] Edited by: xeitgeist on 23/06/2011 02:56:41 Since Incarna came out, my CPU has been overheating as well. No other game I've played has caused my CPU to get hotter than 70 degrees celsius, but Incarna managed to do it. The game has been crashing my computer constantly, most recently when I was in the middle of a lvl 4 mission being warp scrambled. My computer just clicked off and I started it back up and checked the BIOS and noticed that my CPU temperature was over 80 degrees. In fear of melting my entire computer, I've decided to avoid playing EVE until CCP fixes this. Hopefully they can reimburse me for the battlecruiser I lost due to this massive bug, but I highly doubt it.
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:53:00 - [372] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 02:46:37 Overheating aside ... Incarna should not be maxing this system out. Their game is poorly optimized and they need to fix it. Immediately. That's a perfectly valid argument and not one I'm inclined to argue against at this point. I agree that CCP needs to make their CQ code a lot more efficient. While my system doesn't feel the effects of CQ's vastly more resource-intensive code, it does have a measurable effect. And if I can see it affect my system, I'm sure it's cutting off a lot of people at the lower end of the spectrum who would like to play. My only point here has been that CCP cannot possibly (as in, it's physically impossible) be responsible for overheating hardware, no matter how inefficient the Incarna code may be.
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:55:00 - [373] Do not disable the thermal shutdown features on your computer. Ever.
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:55:00 - [374] Originally by: xeitgeist Since Incarna came out, my CPU has been overheating as well. I was forced to disable the shutdown temperature in my BIOS just so I can play the game. After that, I was in the middle of a lvl 4 mission being warp scrambled when my computer suddenly crashed. I started it back up and checked the BIOS and noticed that my CPU temperature was through the roof. In fear of melting my entire computer, I re-enabled the shutdown temperature and decided to avoid playing EVE until CCP fixes this. Hopefully they can reimburse me for the ship I lost due to this massive bug, but I highly doubt it. facepalm
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:56:00 - [375] Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction Edited by: Zero GodOfDestruction on 23/06/2011 02:52:30 Loki, you and soloman both have valid points, but the issue isn't just overheating, whoever's responsible. The issue is that a small room with one character, should not tax any reasonably updated system to its maximum, whether it be cpu or gpu. It just doesn't make sense, no matter how much detail. Edit: Also, the fact that CCP has neither confirmed or denied anything adds to the credibility that there is a problem on their part. I completely agree with you that any decent system should not be experiencing max load from the little bit going on in CQ currently. My only point is that Eve Online is in no way responsible for systems overheating. I disagree about CCP addressing this issue. Blizzard tried that when Starcraft 2 came out and some systems were overheating and they got curb-stomped in the forums. Every time someone from Blizzard tried to explain to people what I've been explaining, 30 pages of completely irrational and downright vulgar posts would quickly follow. CCP can't win in this; they can only hope that reasonable players will help one another understand the reality.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:57:00 - [376] Originally by: Loki Vengeance Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 02:46:37 Overheating aside ... Incarna should not be maxing this system out. Their game is poorly optimized and they need to fix it. Immediately. That's a perfectly valid argument and not one I'm inclined to argue against at this point. I agree that CCP needs to make their CQ code a lot more efficient. While my system doesn't feel the effects of CQ's vastly more resource-intensive code, it does have a measurable effect. And if I can see it affect my system, I'm sure it's cutting off a lot of people at the lower end of the spectrum who would like to play. My only point here has been that CCP cannot possibly (as in, it's physically impossible) be responsible for overheating hardware, no matter how inefficient the Incarna code may be. By releasing a poorly optimized piece of software that forces the cpu and gpu to run at their maximum potential is directly responsible for causing system overheats in this situation. What I fail to comprehend is how I can run a stress test for 17hrs and be fine yet this patch pushes past those limits? Dunno.
Spc Three	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:58:00 - [377] Edited by: Spc Three on 23/06/2011 02:58:36 Originally by: Solomon XI CCP, I've been playing Eve Online since 2007 and absolutely love your game. It's a wonderful Science Fiction MMO and I can't wait to see where your vision takes us in the future. However, I have an extremely serious problem and so do many others if you read the forums a bit. First of all, I built a new system anticipating Incarna. Specifications posted below. Windows7 x64 4GB RAM nVidia EVGA GTX 460 Phenom II X4 940 QC B/E It's not a bad system. Air cooled. Case has 12 fans in it. Decent heat-sink to boot (Noctua). Should handle Eve Online Incarna pretty well right? WRONG. Before Incarna, I was getting roughly 60 FPS undocked and average a CPU temp of around 38C-45C during engagements with all effects on and the best graphics. Even more FPS and less CPU overload if I had everything turned to the lowest settings & effects completely turned off. Now let's talk about Incarna. With max graphics turned on, I dropped down to around 30FPS in QC and my CPU overhead went through the roof. My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C. My GPU sounded like a Ferarri during that period. Ok, whatever. I didn't load station enviroment and turned all settings back to extremely low. Undocked. CPU OVERHEAD INCREASED 6x from what it used to be. Sitting UNDOCKED with no effects and low graphics =58% CPU load wtf? I was idling at 53C on my CPU and 60FPS. CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. What the hell happened? Your pc is by ccp standards s**t. You should buy the newest one from alienware because ccp wants you to.
Vexy NiLakum Amarr Assero Argentum	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:58:00 - [378] Edited by: Vexy NiLakum on 23/06/2011 03:02:02 Originally by: Ranka Mei Finally a sane person in this thread. :) I was beginning to think I was the only one. My GTX 580 isn't given me any problems either; nor my i7 980X. People just need to upgrade their system some, is all. +1. After keeping up with this thread, I am amazed that moderators are allowing it to be alive. I am also now, fairly convinced that Solomon XI is a troll, because who else would bump a thread every 5 minutes, and keep adding more fuel to the paranoia, which doesn't even exists. Originally by: Loki Vengeance First of all, let's get something straight: there's no magic in application software that will cause hardware to mysteriously overheat. Can a poorly written driver work with poorly designed hardware to result in damage by disabling critical cooling and protection? Yes. Is Eve Online a driver with that sort of access to your hardware? No. Eve Online is just another software application and cannot do anything more than ask your CPU and GPU to perform calculations, store data, and retrieve data. That's all either of those things do. It can ask your CPU and/or GPU to store a lot of data, retrieve a lot of data, and perform a lot of calculations, but that is all. There is no magic dust; no special sauce; no man behind the curtain. All Eve Online - all ANY application software - can ever do is ask your hardware to execute the instructions built into your hardware. ^ This!! To everyone who are experiencing problem... I want to add that if your computer is overheating, and as a result crashing, malfunctioning, or you see smoke and/or flames coming out of it, I suggest you rethink your cooling strategies for it, and invest in better cooling solution (or generally diagnose the why your hardware cannot perform at its full capacity.) To help you with that, I suggest you use the following problems: Memtest86+ (http://www.memtest.org/) -- this little tool will test if your memory is up to a task. Run it for 24 hours, and see if you have any issues. Prime95 (http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/) -- this little tool will test if your CPU is up to a task, while at the same time try to discover the next Mersenne Prime number. (You will feel good too, are you making mathematical history!! ) Prime95 is excellent to see what is your CPU's max capability is, and if the heatsink you have installed on it, is actually up to the job of keeping your CPU stable. If your PC crashes while running Prime95, your CPU is not properly cooled. FurMark (www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/) -- this fuzzy donut of death will bring any video card to its kneels. FurMark is video card stability and stress test tool. This will show you how hard you can push your video card. If everyone is whining about EVE pushing video card too much, wait till you try FurMark. Just make sure your video card does not catch on fire, which will indicate you have a defective video card. Heaven DX11 Benchmark 2.5 (unigine.com/products/heaven/) -- overall video game stress tool. Heaven will simulate real world scenarios that every video game encounters, while pushing and stress testing your hardware to its max. If for any reason, your gaming PC fails on any of these tools, or performs poorly, then you need to repair or buy a new gaming PC. Modern games can and will push your hardware to its limits, and if your hardware catches on fire when its pushed to its limit, then you have a crappy hardware, accept that simple fact, and stop bumping this thread. --- Corp Pet.
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:01:00 - [379] They're going to have to address it if they want to continue using this engine for profit. I'm not even going to play the game of guessing what % of players this is affecting, because trying to figure that out from forum posts is futile right from the start. But it does seem to be more than a handful. If CCP wants to continue using this engine and expanding its features, they can't have it maxing CPU or GPU on a tiny room, some blinking lights, a few moving sighs, and a hangar with a rotating ship in it. Even if it's only a fairly small % of players, just like any patch to fix compatibility issues, this will have to be addressed.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:01:00 - [380] Originally by: Cadela Fria All that said, EVE is not going to: * Break your computer (ie. make it stop working) * Force your CPU to ignore its drivers and take it past safe heat levels * Overheat your GPU past tolerance levels of its drivers * Damage your hardware (No, boot.ini was software, not hardware) * Have 1 magic line of code that just needs to be fixed - this is a clichT of ignorance, its not how software development works, or ever has worked. Actually, much as I hate whiners, this is not entirely true. Remember the Starcraft II incident, where a wrongly coded menu caused people's card to burn up? Granted, that should not be possible, and it's very rare (and usually indicative of a manufactoring flaw). To give you an idea: last time I heard of this happening before was with a bug inside the 386 CPU, which, when exploited properly, could cause your CPU to become damaged. Again, though, these instances are extremely rare. And none of it applies to Solomon's case, as Incarna, while relatively resource-hungry, runs just fine. --

Nero Renner	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:03:00 - [381] is this seriously where we have to post similar problems when the ccp people do not respond? my comp is overheating, as well with my friend's who was my "buddy" getting me into this game, and i feel weird hearing him so upset at this install.. then he came over, we compared computers and viewed.. his is older slightly, but we both have the SAME RATIO OF BAD DRAIN AND DANGEROUS (DANGEROUS) realms of overloading.. with both of us turning off captains quarters still holods a video card pull of 75 degrees CELCIUS!! and we both are different computers, but both windows xp sp3.. This IS a serious issue that should not be knocked by kids, angry folks, etc.. i think CCP made it clear that EVERYONE's setup is unique and "reacts" to the program differently.. so people b-itching about "oh you should have a better system", "i have the same kind of system" or even (the most ridiculous response) "eveyone should have $3000 (??!?) so no excuse to upgrade your computer.." [sigh] this is a problem and in sitting with a client in the background minimized, the temp of my graphics card has risen, odd (with CQ OFF) is now at 78 C.. for the kid who miraculously thinks we all have $3000 for new systems, you obviously haven't lived on your own, and (i don't know what this bump thing is, but hopefully people will appreciate this) ..i am a proud marine veteran from iraq who apparently helped keep "freedom" and your parents' economic wellbeing to save 3 grand per every family members' new computers, but, kid, when we soldiers come back, with a blown off ear, we are lucky to get disability and veteran staples to make rent in the metropolis we live in.. playing eve is an amazing splurge and luxury, dude.. i agree fully with SOLOMON XI on this one and everyone else who hits this weird new rift/realm.. and i best be logging off eve since my cpu will explode soon.. sigh.. nero CLIENT: Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs) Memory: 2046MB RAM Page File: 1665MB used, 2376MB available Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904) Card name: ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc. Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor AGP (0x9505) DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz) Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9505&SUBSYS_95051002&REV_00 Display Memory: 512.0 MB Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz) Monitor: SyncMaster 2232BW plus,SyncMaster Magic CX2232GW Plus(Digital) Monitor Max Res: 1680,1050 Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll Driver Version: 6.14.0010.7111 (English) DDI Version: 9 (or higher) Driver Attributes: Final Retail Driver Date/Size: 8/4/2010 01:46:06, 300544 bytes
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:03:00 - [382] Originally by: Vexy NiLakum Edited by: Vexy NiLakum on 23/06/2011 03:02:02 Modern games can and will push your hardware to its limits, and if your hardware catches on fire when its pushed to its limit, then you have a crappy hardware, accept that simple fact, and stop bumping this thread. And your definition of modern gaming is...EVE Online? The CQ? That's what a system breaking game should be to you... Where is the Picard facepalm when you need it?
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:04:00 - [383] I reply to this thread every five minutes to keep it on the front page as its a significant issue being experienced by multiple people and needs a ccp dev's input. It should not be taxing a system like mine to its maximum.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:04:00 - [384] Originally by: Loki Vengeance Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction Edited by: Zero GodOfDestruction on 23/06/2011 02:52:30 Loki, you and soloman both have valid points, but the issue isn't just overheating, whoever's responsible. The issue is that a small room with one character, should not tax any reasonably updated system to its maximum, whether it be cpu or gpu. It just doesn't make sense, no matter how much detail. Edit: Also, the fact that CCP has neither confirmed or denied anything adds to the credibility that there is a problem on their part. I completely agree with you that any decent system should not be experiencing max load from the little bit going on in CQ currently. My only point is that Eve Online is in no way responsible for systems overheating. I disagree about CCP addressing this issue. Blizzard tried that when Starcraft 2 came out and some systems were overheating and they got curb-stomped in the forums. Every time someone from Blizzard tried to explain to people what I've been explaining, 30 pages of completely irrational and downright vulgar posts would quickly follow. CCP can't win in this; they can only hope that reasonable players will help one another understand the reality. I understand that train of thought, but a mod should, at the very least, acknowledge the existance of a problem, even if they cannot supply any helpful information. If you mods out there are reading this, a post along the lines of "We are looking into it" would be helpful at this point. Even if you have nothing in the means of actual assistance, letting the customers know you are at least listening would be a sign that you still care somewhat about the customers, and not just what is in their collective pockets.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:12:00 - [385] Jsut a simple "CcP is watch" would do. I won't stop. This thread will become a resident of the eve general page forever until I get a dev reply.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:13:00 - [386] Originally by: Solomon XI I reply to this thread every five minutes to keep it on the front page as its a significant issue being experienced by multiple people and needs a ccp dev's input. It should not be taxing a system like mine to its maximum. One guy bumping the forum every 5 minutes does not 'multiple people' make. If it's really important, let this thread stay on the front page on its own momentum. --
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:17:00 - [387] Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 03:18:58 Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Solomon XI I reply to this thread every five minutes to keep it on the front page as its a significant issue being experienced by multiple people and needs a ccp dev's input. It should not be taxing a system like mine to its maximum. One guy bumping the forum every 5 minutes does not 'multiple people' make. If it's really important, let this thread stay on the front page on its own momentum. Read the replies. There are multiple people having these issues. I am not forgiving and not willing to wait. I'm going to push CCP on this issue until a dev replies. End of story.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:18:00 - [388] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Solomon XI I reply to this thread every five minutes to keep it on the front page as its a significant issue being experienced by multiple people and needs a ccp dev's input. It should not be taxing a system like mine to its maximum. One guy bumping the forum every 5 minutes does not 'multiple people' make. If it's really important, let this thread stay on the front page on its own momentum. First, fail. There is more than one person bumping this forum to keep it alive. Second, for the majority of these 13 pages, only about 15 out of all of the posts have been bumps, so before you try to tear something down, do a bit of reasearch.
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:24:00 - [389] Edited by: Ealric Sorden on 23/06/2011 03:24:58 I think someone (or multiple people) may have mentioned the test server? I don't keep up with the test server, but I assume the CQ was available there at some point for players. Were there ever any reports of this during that time? If not, well then the issue becomes quite clear. Something CCP changed from the last public beta build to the production build has caused CPU and GPU loading issues for some. Anyone?
Ella Scorpio Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:27:00 - [390] I am also having serious problems. I can play Fallout 3 with high graphic settings and my computer gets hot, but keeps going for hours. 30 minutes in station, not even walkng a around, just reading emails, and my laptop shuts down from heat.

Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:27:00 - [391] Originally by: Ealric Sorden Edited by: Ealric Sorden on 23/06/2011 03:24:58 I think someone (or multiple people) may have mentioned the test server? I don't keep up with the test server, but I assume the CQ was available there at some point for players. Were there ever any reports of this during that time? If not, well then the issue becomes quite clear. Something CCP changed from the last public beta build to the production build has caused CPU and GPU loading issues for some. Anyone? according to an earlier reply, this was not happening on singularity.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:33:00 - [392] Bumping this back to the main page.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:33:00 - [393] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Cadela Fria All that said, EVE is not going to: * Break your computer (ie. make it stop working) * Force your CPU to ignore its drivers and take it past safe heat levels * Overheat your GPU past tolerance levels of its drivers * Damage your hardware (No, boot.ini was software, not hardware) * Have 1 magic line of code that just needs to be fixed - this is a clichT of ignorance, its not how software development works, or ever has worked. Actually, much as I hate whiners, this is not entirely true. Remember the Starcraft II incident, where a wrongly coded menu caused people's card to burn up? Granted, that should not be possible, and it's very rare (and usually indicative of a manufactoring flaw). To give you an idea: last time I heard of this happening before was with a bug inside the 386 CPU, which, when exploited properly, could cause your CPU to become damaged. Again, though, these instances are extremely rare. And none of it applies to Solomon's case, as Incarna, while relatively resource-hungry, runs just fine. The incident was caused by the menu being so efficient and without any Vsync options that it was literally rendering at thousands of frames per second instantly pushing the card to the max and for many people who overclocked but never tested their card it was too much.
OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:36:00 - [394] Originally by: Ella Scorpio Edited by: Ella Scorpio on 23/06/2011 03:27:31 I am also having serious problems. I can play Fallout 3 with high graphic settings and my computer gets hot, but keeps going for hours. 30 minutes in station, not even walkng around, just reading emails, and my laptop shuts down from heat. Ya that would be your laptop cooling system not being able to handle the TDP of the CPU and GPU which is not acceptable. Perhaps you should consider getting the cooling system changed or repaired or upgraded?
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:37:00 - [395] Originally by: OMGWTFResearch Originally by: Ella Scorpio Edited by: Ella Scorpio on 23/06/2011 03:27:31 I am also having serious problems. I can play Fallout 3 with high graphic settings and my computer gets hot, but keeps going for hours. 30 minutes in station, not even walkng around, just reading emails, and my laptop shuts down from heat. Ya that would be your laptop cooling system not being able to handle the TDP of the CPU and GPU which is not acceptable. Perhaps you should consider getting the cooling system changed or repaired or upgraded? I agree with this.
OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:43:00 - [396] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 02:46:37 Overheating aside ... Incarna should not be maxing this system out. Their game is poorly optimized and they need to fix it. Immediately. Yes it can get better but not by much. A)The is multiple videos being decoded to handle the screens. B)There is lots of clickable elements refreshing and working. C)The room has many polygons and shader effects. It IS going to push your PC hard. But if a 2007 Nvidia 7300 is able to run CQ I think simple upgrades and good cooling will do the trick.
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:45:00 - [397] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Loki Vengeance Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 02:46:37 Overheating aside ... Incarna should not be maxing this system out. Their game is poorly optimized and they need to fix it. Immediately. That's a perfectly valid argument and not one I'm inclined to argue against at this point. I agree that CCP needs to make their CQ code a lot more efficient. While my system doesn't feel the effects of CQ's vastly more resource-intensive code, it does have a measurable effect. And if I can see it affect my system, I'm sure it's cutting off a lot of people at the lower end of the spectrum who would like to play. My only point here has been that CCP cannot possibly (as in, it's physically impossible) be responsible for overheating hardware, no matter how inefficient the Incarna code may be. By releasing a poorly optimized piece of software that forces the cpu and gpu to run at their maximum potential is directly responsible for causing system overheats in this situation. What I fail to comprehend is how I can run a stress test for 17hrs and be fine yet this patch pushes past those limits? Dunno. First of all, their software does not force CPUs and GPUs to run at their maximum. My CPU runs at about 12 - 14% with two clients running. Older CPUs and GPUs may run at their max to keep up with the workload. Should CCP work to reduce the workload? Yes. Is it causing hardware overheating? No. Poor cooling is causing that. The stress test isn't necessarily hitting the same things as Eve Online. Your GPU and CPU have a whole bunch of different instructions (which still only store data, retrieve data, and perform calculations). Many "stress tests" are very generic and do basic calculations repeatedly. This gives the illusion of the CPU being stressed, but in fact just one part of the CPU is actually having to do real work. The same goes for the GPU. There are a lot of instructions that Eve is going to hit which many "stress test" utilities will not. That's why most decent computer places will run a variety of software to do a proper "burn-in". It used to be that a proper "burn-in" was 48 hours straight maxing every component in the system with a variety of applications hitting different things and doing different things. Margins have since been cut down so much that nobody can possibly afford to spend the time and effort to properly test computer systems. When I exited that part of the market, it was challenging to make 15% on a system WITHOUT taking into account the labor involved in ordering all the parts, putting everything together, and installing the OS and drivers.
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:48:00 - [398] Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction Originally by: Loki Vengeance Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction Edited by: Zero GodOfDestruction on 23/06/2011 02:52:30 Loki, you and soloman both have valid points, but the issue isn't just overheating, whoever's responsible. The issue is that a small room with one character, should not tax any reasonably updated system to its maximum, whether it be cpu or gpu. It just doesn't make sense, no matter how much detail. Edit: Also, the fact that CCP has neither confirmed or denied anything adds to the credibility that there is a problem on their part. I completely agree with you that any decent system should not be experiencing max load from the little bit going on in CQ currently. My only point is that Eve Online is in no way responsible for systems overheating. I disagree about CCP addressing this issue. Blizzard tried that when Starcraft 2 came out and some systems were overheating and they got curb-stomped in the forums. Every time someone from Blizzard tried to explain to people what I've been explaining, 30 pages of completely irrational and downright vulgar posts would quickly follow. CCP can't win in this; they can only hope that reasonable players will help one another understand the reality. I understand that train of thought, but a mod should, at the very least, acknowledge the existance of a problem, even if they cannot supply any helpful information. If you mods out there are reading this, a post along the lines of "We are looking into it" would be helpful at this point. Even if you have nothing in the means of actual assistance, letting the customers know you are at least listening would be a sign that you still care somewhat about the customers, and not just what is in their collective pockets. But there isn't a "problem". Could the code be more efficient? Probably. Is that a "problem" or a "bug"? No. There's nothing CCP can say which is going to make someone happy who's convinced that Eve Online is somehow frying their hardware. It's a no-win game for them.
7 Dragons	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:48:00 - [399] i just wanted to chime in real quick to confirm that the new cq is taxing my hardware much more than i believe it should. granted i play on a laptop (alienware m11x r2) but today was the first time i experienced graphic artifacts from the heat, despite using the laptop to play final fantasy xiv all the time, which isn't contained entirely in a small room. there seem to be nasty memory leaks with incarna too, which i'm actually well aware of from said other game i play. ;(
Ron Bacardi SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:52:00 - [400] Edited by: Ron Bacardi on 23/06/2011 03:53:37 Interesting.... I run the setup below, with an nvidia 9800GT card (using January's drivers) and a 600W PSU. This is pretty minspec; ~4 years old, stock cooling, 1 external fan. Two clients running in windowed on separate monitors with medium settings, I get around 25 FPS in CQ, card temp of 80, CPU temp around 55. More than playable. Try updating your chipset drivers. ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 6/22/2011, 20:43:25 Machine name: Your Mother Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.110408-1631) Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: Dell Inc. System Model: Vostro 200 BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7500 @ 2.93GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.9GHz Memory: 4096MB RAM Available OS Memory: 3326MB RAM Page File: 1437MB used, 5213MB available Windows Dir: C:\Windows DirectX Version: DirectX 11 DX Setup Parameters: Not found User DPI Setting: Using System DPI System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent) DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode EDIT: In CQ! I get between 50-60 in space.

Neo160	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:58:00 - [401] bumpity. my comp is overheating due to the CQ, and although have no qualms with CQ atm (i just passionately hate MT), but its causing overheats, i had to shut down the station environment and then log off to let my computer cool down. not cool, CCP, not cool.
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:59:00 - [402] Originally by: Neo160 bumpity. my comp is overheating due to the CQ, and although have no qualms with CQ atm (i just passionately hate MT), but its causing overheats, i had to shut down the station environment and then log off to let my computer cool down. not cool, CCP, not cool. CQ is not causing your computer to overheat. A lack of cooling is doing that.
GreenSeed	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:00:00 - [403] amd PhenomII x6 1090T 8gb ram ati 5870 mobo m4a89gtd running 5 clients, 2 monitors. Space temp are the same, no variance. and yeah i know that my micro hits a steady 50c whith all cores at 50% when doing 4 hrs+ mining sessions. (2 main clients with everything but FSAA at max and the other 3 with all settings at minimum exept textures and LOD.) CQ temp is higher but that is no indication of anything but the extra and unnecesary strain on resources. Lowering CQ quality still strains VGA, but it looks ugly. turning off CQ lets the gpu/cpu even go in quiet mode. btw, i think youre overreacting, 2 - 3 year old hardware when strained will show faults and will die. no surprises there. on corp chat i know of 2 ppl that lost VGAs to the expansion and those VGA lost were strained to the maximum for years... i lost a vga to crysis when it came out (2 years old) and lost another one to pre incarna EVE... running 5 clients kills vgas. and lost the twin 5870 thanks to gpu number crunching... Please understand that any consumer lever hardware is NOT designed for constant 100% workload use. new hardware only needs to use 50% of its resources to run something that old hardware must run using 100%. and anything that comes close to a 100% workload will have a heat bottleneck after a few minutes, not even hours. think that most STOCK cooling cant even disipate 80% workload on most modern cpus/vgas. and yeah, if youre running your CPU with the stock cooler and it resets/burns due to overheating, dont blame the hardware or the software, blame yourself for being cheap. stop freaking out ppl, hardware thats under constant use and suddenly put under higher stress will die.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:02:00 - [404] So, I'm to understand that being inefficent is NOT a problem, Loki? In my opinion, that most certianly is a problem, and should be fixed as soon as possible. If your job is to deliver, for example, papers, and you delivered to half the houses on each street in a neighborhood, only to have to return to places you had already been to deliver to the other half of the houses, would that inefficency not be considered a problem by your employer? A doubled workload is most definitely a problem, and in this case, most definitely need to be, at the very least, acknowledged. If you dont agree, then thats your opinion, and thats perfectly fine with me. Humans all are entitled to their varying opinions. (also, sorry about all the commas, it is just the way my thoughts flow)
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:02:00 - [405] Originally by: Ealric Sorden Edited by: Ealric Sorden on 23/06/2011 03:24:58 I think someone (or multiple people) may have mentioned the test server? I don't keep up with the test server, but I assume the CQ was available there at some point for players. Were there ever any reports of this during that time? If not, well then the issue becomes quite clear. Something CCP changed from the last public beta build to the production build has caused CPU and GPU loading issues for some. Anyone? Akita T posted a rather comprehensive thread regarding his experiences with CQ on SISI causing temps to rise dramatically. Others reported the same situation. As a result of reading Akita's post on Friday night, I got on SISI on Saturday to test things out. I figured that what was on SISI on Saturday was likely to be pretty darned close to what we'd get come Tuesday. As I've said, I personally didn't see much of an impact on my temps. I did see a dramatic rise in cpu utilization with two clients running CQ. Prior, I'd not get the total cpu usage in windows over about 10% (rare even then) with two clients. With two CQs enabled, I topped out at a spike of 33% with more "normal" usage of about 15% or so while docked. In space, I'd see my usual nearly nothing. So, while I did see an increase in cpu use, and about a 5 C rise in gpu temps, otherwise I didn't notice too much of a change. I am fortunate in that I've got a "newest" gen cpu - an i7 2600k. So, sure, I'm doing ok on tech specs for my cpu. Video card is only an HD 5770. Still, even then I got 30-35 fps with both CQs running, and 55-60 with one. With all that, I still disabled CQ because I choose not to use it. Anyway, people in fact DID point out this increase in temperatures and usage on the SISI builds in advance of Incarna deployment on TQ.
krunok	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:04:00 - [406] Hi, after incarna i cant play eve anymore, my laptop doesnt support it, so should i buy new laptop (around 1500$ or more) or should i quit eve, i think second option is much more better, so quiting after 3 years...
Neo160	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:06:00 - [407] Originally by: Loki Vengeance Originally by: Neo160 bumpity. my comp is overheating due to the CQ, and although have no qualms with CQ atm (i just passionately hate MT), but its causing overheats, i had to shut down the station environment and then log off to let my computer cool down. not cool, CCP, not cool. CQ is not causing your computer to overheat. A lack of cooling is doing that. pre-Incarna, no overheat issues, post Incarna, over-heat issues, i don't need to explain this do i?
FelicitaZ	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:08:00 - [408] Edited by: FelicitaZ on 23/06/2011 04:12:20 Originally by: krunok Hi, after incarna i cant play eve anymore, my laptop doesnt support it, so should i buy new laptop (around 1500$ or more) or should i quit eve, i think second option is much more better, so quiting after 3 years... I thought only the walking on station does require much more hardware requriements. Fly around is for me as before 45-60 frames. In the options there you can deactivate this walking on station. ( I like it, but my hardware is gonna buuurn) //EDIT well i guess its about the shader which your laptop graphic chip does not support.. here only a new laptop would resolve this problem, yes.
OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:11:00 - [409] Originally by: Neo160 Originally by: Loki Vengeance Originally by: Neo160 bumpity. my comp is overheating due to the CQ, and although have no qualms with CQ atm (i just passionately hate MT), but its causing overheats, i had to shut down the station environment and then log off to let my computer cool down. not cool, CCP, not cool. CQ is not causing your computer to overheat. A lack of cooling is doing that. pre-Incarna, no overheat issues, post Incarna, over-heat issues, i don't need to explain this do i? Yes you do. Well instead of explaining you need to have your cooling system checked out. It has been explained time and again WHY your CPU and GPU is being stressed.
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:11:00 - [410] Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction So, I'm to understand that being inefficent is NOT a problem, Loki? In my opinion, that most certianly is a problem, and should be fixed as soon as possible. <snip> A doubled workload is most definitely a problem, and in this case, most definitely need to be, at the very least, acknowledged. If you dont agree, then thats your opinion, and thats perfectly fine with me. Humans all are entitled to their varying opinions. (also, sorry about all the commas, it is just the way my thoughts flow) A new expansion increasing the amount of resources required to run the game is hardly a problem; it's not even unexpected. I absolutely agree that CQ should be made more efficient and I'm sure that it will. But it isn't a bug and it isn't a "problem" in the sense that there's something wrong with the software. It's doing everything it's supposed to do; it's just using more resources to get the job done than should be required considering what's taking place. But what some people here are claiming is that there's some kind of bug in the Eve Online software which is causing their hardware to overheat. That's flat wrong. It's simply impossible. Yes, CCP should make CQ (and everything else in Eve) as efficient as possible. But is there a "problem" associated with that? Not as such.

OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:14:00 - [411] Originally by: krunok Hi, after incarna i cant play eve anymore, my laptop doesnt support it, so should i buy new laptop (around 1500$ or more) or should i quit eve, i think second option is much more better, so quiting after 3 years... Or get an AMD E-350 based netbook for 300-500$ and keep playing eh?
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:18:00 - [412] Originally by: Neo160 Edited by: Neo160 on 23/06/2011 04:11:31 Originally by: Loki Vengeance Originally by: Neo160 bumpity. my comp is overheating due to the CQ, and although have no qualms with CQ atm (i just passionately hate MT), but its causing overheats, i had to shut down the station environment and then log off to let my computer cool down. not cool, CCP, not cool. CQ is not causing your computer to overheat. A lack of cooling is doing that. pre-Incarna, no overheat issues, post Incarna, over-heat issues, i don't need to explain this do i? you want to point out the logical path of cooling and heating, but at this point, its just semantics. we are experiencing overheat issues due to fresh code that over-taxes the hardware. happy now? because i just repeated myself. You're experiencing overheating because your hardware lacks proper cooling. It'd be like driving your car around with the fan belt broken. Maybe the car drives fine most of the time like that because the engine doesn't put out a ton of heat. Maybe you can drive all the way from New York to Los Angeles like that with no problem. But when you get to LA and hit traffic, and you crank up the AC in 100 degree weather while moving along at 5 miles per hour, the car overheats. Now ask yourself, is it the fault of the AC system that the car overheated? Or the fact that the engine isn't being properly cooled? The fact that the lack of proper cooling never affected the engine (or in this case, your computer) previously is irrelevant. The fact remains that Eve Online is doing nothing special to your computer. There's no magic fairy dust; no special sauce; no man behind the curtain whispering "overheat" in your computer's ear. It's just software that's sending the same instructions as any other software for your computer components to process. If your computer components are overheating, it's because they aren't getting the cooling they need. Your CPU, GPU, memory, etc are all designed to run at 100% load 24/7/365 so long as they have proper cooling. In fact, you have a warranty from that component's manufacturer guaranteeing that their part will function correctly 24/7/365 for the life of the warranty so long as the component is properly cooled. If the part is failing without overheating, you have a warranty claim. If the part is overheating, you have a cooling problem. None of this has anything to do with Eve Online and it isn't just semantics. It's reality.
krunok	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:21:00 - [413] Or get an AMD E-350 based netbook for 300-500$ and keep playing eh? Yeah for sure, u get me one...
Slatiska Wolfovna	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:24:00 - [414] You saw that another thread got the blue bar when a CCP moron went and said "We're lurking in the shadow reading you" something like that in one line ? :D They have the time to answer thread making jokes about "where is CCP lurking" but not real concerns. Shows how professional they are :)
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:25:00 - [415] Originally by: Loki Vengeance But it isn't a bug and it isn't a "problem" in the sense that there's something wrong with the software. It's doing everything it's supposed to do; it's just using more resources to get the job done than should be required considering what's taking place. I seriously doubt this. Looking at some of the system specs having load issues with the CQ is mind boggling. If you're going to sit here and tell me some of those systems should be having max loads because of what we see in the CQ, and that's to be expected, then I'm going to sit here and laugh in your face. It's pretty evident there IS a problem somewhere that is affecting some portion of the playerbase with near max loads when it should not be. The only other answer is that CCP can't code or optimize any better than a pack of 6 year olds playing with mommy's ipad. And if that were the case, everyone would be having issues.
Malias Yakusto	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:26:00 - [416]
Pricetella Checkella	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:27:00 - [417] I am running CQ maxed out on a four years old machine, perfectly.
OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:28:00 - [418] Originally by: Slatiska Wolfovna You saw that another thread got the blue bar when a CCP moron went and said "We're lurking in the shadow reading you" something like that in one line ? :D They have the time to answer thread making jokes about "where is CCP lurking" but not real concerns. Shows how professional they are :) Nice wrong and out of context quote there They said they were preferring to read feedback. You know to KNOW what their customers are saying? Originally by: Ealric Sorden Originally by: Loki Vengeance But it isn't a bug and it isn't a "problem" in the sense that there's something wrong with the software. It's doing everything it's supposed to do; it's just using more resources to get the job done than should be required considering what's taking place. I seriously doubt this. Looking at some of the system specs having load issues with the CQ is mind boggling. If you're going to sit here and tell me some of those systems should be having max loads because of what we see in the CQ, and that's to be expected, then I'm going to sit here and laugh in your face. It's pretty evident there IS a problem somewhere that is affecting some portion of the playerbase with near max loads when it should not be. The only other answer is that CCP can't code or optimize any better than a pack of 6 year olds playing with mommy's ipad. And if that were the case, everyone would be having issues. A good game will use up as much resources as it can before it hits its limit or a preset limit such as Vsync. Just because someone has a Core i7 dosent mean EVE should only go to 30FPS to use what 25 percent CPU? Stop being silly!
Neo160	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:32:00 - [419] to be honest, i actually overreacted. imma man up and say this: i set my graphics setting to their highest settings after installing incarna and forgot to turn them back down. DOH, no wonder i had heat issues, i asked the client to tax my computer, not CQ. people experiencing issues may want to make sure their graphics settings are optimized for their hardware.
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:33:00 - [420] Originally by: OMGWTFResearch Just because someone has a Core i7 dosent mean EVE should only go to 30FPS to use what 25 percent CPU? 12 - 14% with two clients running at 1920x1080 in fixed window with max quality on an i7 2600k running at stock speeds. Where it's really hurting more than anything is RAM. One client is using 1.5GB+ and the other is using about 1.1GB+ of active memory. Craziness if you ask me for what's actually happening, but it's certainly not a "problem" in the sense of it being a bug (unless we're talking about a memory leak).

Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:33:00 - [421] Originally by: Neo160 to be honest, i actually overreacted. imma man up and say this: i set my graphics setting to their highest settings after installing incarna and forgot to turn them back down. DOH, no wonder i had heat issues, i asked the client to tax my computer, not CQ. people experiencing issues may want to make sure their graphics settings are optimized for their hardware. I did ...
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:33:00 - [422] Originally by: Neo160 to be honest, i actually overreacted. imma man up and say this: i set my graphics setting to their highest settings after installing incarna and forgot to turn them back down. DOH, no wonder i had heat issues, i asked the client to tax my computer, not CQ. people experiencing issues may want to make sure their graphics settings are optimized for their hardware. Even with lower settings your CPU and GPU are still going to be taxed because now they will render more FPS. This is why you NEED to have good cooling.
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:33:00 - [423] You mean like how when a person with consistent 100% (let's say 98-100% for accuracy) load on a GPU undocks from the CQ, it suddenly drops back into a normal GPU load profile? A profile that matches pretty much any other game out there in terms of how a GPU is utilized... Oh, so much for a game constantly using 100% of the resources available to it. There is nothing in the CQ that should be causing 100% load on some of these systems, and your post a while back trying to explain how it should was so laughable I couldn't even be bothered with a response.
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:34:00 - [424] buy a better PC you **wits jesus. _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity** Doesn't have an iPhone.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:37:00 - [425] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge buy a better PC you **wits jesus. shut the ** up, troll.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:42:00 - [426] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge buy a better PC you **wits jesus. Congrats on not having anything better to do all day than to *** at people. I genuinely feel sorry for you, to be so full of hate, or boredom, or to just enjoy making others suffer, something must have seriously jaded you at some point in your life. Enjoy knowing that in 1000 years no one will remember your avi, alaias, or your real name, and your actions will all have been in vain.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:50:00 - [427] Dump
OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:56:00 - [428] Originally by: Ealric Sorden You mean like how when a person with consistent 100% (let's say 98-100% for accuracy) load on a GPU undocks from the CQ, it suddenly drops back into a normal GPU load profile? A profile that matches pretty much any other game out there in terms of how a GPU is utilized... Oh, so much for a game constantly using 100% of the resources available to it. There is nothing in the CQ that should be causing 100% load on some of these systems, and your post a while back trying to explain how it should was so laughable I couldn't even be bothered with a response. Space isn't rendering multiple video streams = check Space ins't having to render a very complex scene VERY close to the camera = check Ya there is a difference.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:57:00 - [429] Originally by: Loki Vengeance A new expansion increasing the amount of resources required to run the game is hardly a problem; it's not even unexpected. I absolutely agree that CQ should be made more efficient and I'm sure that it will. But it isn't a bug and it isn't a "problem" in the sense that there's something wrong with the software. It's doing everything it's supposed to do; it's just using more resources to get the job done than should be required considering what's taking place. But what some people here are claiming is that there's some kind of bug in the Eve Online software which is causing their hardware to overheat. That's flat wrong. It's simply impossible. Yes, CCP should make CQ (and everything else in Eve) as efficient as possible. But is there a "problem" associated with that? Not as such. The fact that some people are coming to the conclusion that it a bug is perfectly understandable. The real issue is that incarana shouldn't have been released in its current state since it is keeping many from running eve, and others from barely running it safely, all for something that doesn't fundementally affect normal gameplay (other than playability issues) I also realize that with cq, certian things were added to make things easier when buying and selling, and for corporation management.The thing is, that before cq, those things were not difficult to do. Thats one of the problems that I have with deadlines, It basically forces a company to either release an unfinished product, or push back the deadline and end up angering customers. To be perfectly honest, the way eve online is set up, there shouldn't be deadlines for the developers. They should just work on an major update until its has most of the bugs worked out, so that only a minor group of people have problems (don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they didn't work enough of the bugs out, it just seems that way when you are part of the minority).
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:00:00 - [430] herr derrr my P4 wont run this game QQQ whine whine whine _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.

Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:04:00 - [431] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge herr derrr my P4 wont run this game QQQ whine whine whine Thanks for prolonging the usefulness of this thread by reducing the times we have to post or bump because of your hate and lack of correct punctuation.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:10:00 - [432] Also, if I am whining, and you are whining about whining, what does that make you?
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:19:00 - [433] "Let one walk alone, committing no sin, with few wishes, like elephants in the forest"
Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:22:00 - [434] Edited by: Ealric Sorden on 23/06/2011 05:22:39 Edited by: Ealric Sorden on 23/06/2011 05:22:21 Originally by: OMGWTFResearch Space isn't rendering multiple video streams = check Space ins't having to render a very complex scene VERY close to the camera = check Ya there is a difference. Like I said, reasons so laughable they didn't even deserve a response... Three, if memory serves, prerendered videos taking up a very small portion of a wall. Stupidly small resources for a modern cpu or gpu = check. A static scene with a few ambient light shader effects, some decent textures, and an overall graphical quality on par with a top game from a couple years ago. Nothing a modern cpu or gpu should balk at = check. A ship rotating in a hangar. Something the game already handled just fine = check. A poster who clearly has no idea what he/she/it was talking about = check. Yep, you've got all the checks down for a trolling post. Congrats.
Akemi Mai Yamada	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:23:00 - [435] Edited by: Akemi Mai Yamada on 23/06/2011 05:25:16 Yeah, CPU usage outside the Station: 8%-11%. Station with CQ: Skyrocketing to 45%-55% :/ I wrote a bug ticket about that and i got that answer: Hello! After i docked at a station eve-online¦s cpu usage quadruples. It seems that the new CQ is the cause of that :/ // Hello, Thank you for reporting the problem, but this is not a bug, the CPU usage will increase because there is a large environment to be rendered that is more graphics/cpu intensive then being out in space, and not in a large fleet. Adjusting the graphics settings, as well as other options, will allow you to change how much CPU usage goes up. Some examples are "Interior Effects, LOD Quality. etc" Regards //BH Toireann D: Also the cpus fan is going crazy.. Even Crysis, who looks way better, isnt using that much CPU Power :/
OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:34:00 - [436] Originally by: Ealric Sorden Edited by: Ealric Sorden on 23/06/2011 05:22:39 Edited by: Ealric Sorden on 23/06/2011 05:22:21 Originally by: OMGWTFResearch Space isn't rendering multiple video streams = check Space ins't having to render a very complex scene VERY close to the camera = check Ya there is a difference. Like I said, reasons so laughable they didn't even deserve a response... Three, if memory serves, prerendered videos taking up a very small portion of a wall. Stupidly small resources for a modern cpu or gpu = check. A static scene with a few ambient light shader effects, some decent textures, and an overall graphical quality on par with a top game from a couple years ago. Nothing a modern cpu or gpu should balk at = check. A ship rotating in a hangar. Something the game already handled just fine = check. A poster who clearly has no idea what he/she/it was talking about = check. Yep, you've got all the checks down for a trolling post. Congrats. Yet you responded Cry & complain all you want but it isn't going back to the days of spin the ship on an Intel Atom 1 netbook. Clean your computer!
P I Joe	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:37:00 - [437] OK I'm not currently involved in hardware much so this is a genuine question which kinda relates to OP. Am I wrong to think that a PC should be designed so that even if the CPU runs at 100% solidly it should remain under the max operating chip temp? ie Nothing software should do should be able to break the hardware? When I did used to pay more attention to hardware ( a long time ago lol ) we used to put a computer together, run some stress inducing software and monitor temps. Doesn't that happen now?
Loki Vengeance	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:40:00 - [438] Originally by: P I Joe OK I'm not currently involved in hardware much so this is a genuine question which kinda relates to OP. Am I wrong to think that a PC should be designed so that even if the CPU runs at 100% solidly it should remain under the max operating chip temp? ie Nothing software should do should be able to break the hardware? When I did used to pay more attention to hardware ( a long time ago lol ) we used to put a computer together, run some stress inducing software and monitor temps. Doesn't that happen now? Yes it should be able to run at max without hitting the max allowable operating temperature. No, most computers these days aren't tested like that anymore. The margins are so tiny that it'd be impossible to make a profit if anyone took the time to test properly like they used to do. When you're paying $400 for the hardware, $100 for the OS, and trying to squeeze $600 out of the customer, there's not a whole lot of time left after ordering, assembling, and installing the OS and drivers.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.23 06:05:00 - [439] Originally by: P I Joe OK I'm not currently involved in hardware much so this is a genuine question which kinda relates to OP. Am I wrong to think that a PC should be designed so that even if the CPU runs at 100% solidly it should remain under the max operating chip temp? ie Nothing software should do should be able to break the hardware? When I did used to pay more attention to hardware ( a long time ago lol ) we used to put a computer together, run some stress inducing software and monitor temps. Doesn't that happen now? PC OEMs would (And likely have been) Sued by their customers if they are not designed to handle the max TDP of its components. However it needs to be made clear that is with a clean computer in an area where airflow isn't being constrained (Many idiots were complaining of Xbox 360s overheating when they were running them in a pile of clothes.) Not filled with dust. TDP is in watts. You have to dissipate those watts or the heat buildup is measured in Celsius.
Max Gades	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:06:00 - [440] Edited by: Max Gades on 23/06/2011 07:07:16 Needless to say from reading and so on and so forth CQ is Jacking up a bunch of good, well set up rigs that really shouldnt be having a issue. I honestly find the lack of even 1 dev comment on this topic to be very disturbing in the fact they could possably themself might not have a answer for some of these problem and are trying to come up with solution or a bunch of hot fix's that will creat more problems. might i cast everyones minds to last october. Needless to say a section of the playerbase is reaching out to the dev's for answers and they are either not taking this post seriously or they dont care or dont want to answer. Like i've said in another posting I dont care much for CQ given the option to have a blank hanger with a ship in the middle of it might be one way to keep part of the playerbase from frying their computers or in all losing them as their costumer oh and part of your paycheck there CCP... wait thats what the $60 eye glass things is for... Bump to the OP. Keep going till a dev post. They honestly need to give some of the playerbase over here some attention. I'll post my issue after i run out of ideas myself.

Paula Moofbite Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:53:00 - [441] After crashing my laptop and having to reboot, it now beeps at me indicating a GPU error (I believe, 1 long, 2 short beeps). Graphics card seems goosed now - "Competence on the battle field is a myth. The side which screws up next to last wins, it's as simple as that."
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:54:00 - [442] bump
Amanda Lookingglass	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:05:00 - [443] Bump, and a side note 5 accounts subscription cancelled....
Dograzor The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:12:00 - [444] Any update on this? - "We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value"
Constantine Saberinni	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:32:00 - [445] Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 23/06/2011 09:33:50 Loki et al, Im sorry but I find your argument of the software isnt an issue and that its our cooling thats inadequate more than a little condescending and patronising. Whilst the logic is correct if (in my case) my standard and unmodded GTX 460 is being pushed to the point of thermal shutdown then clearly its cooling is inadequate, should we really expect a relatively small environment and one avator to push a card to this limit? Yes, the previous poster is correct in saying that code cant damage hardware in itself but if the volume and complexity of that code thats dumped on the GPU pushes it so hard that it shuts down this does have the potential to cause problems. You would hope that the drivers allow sufficient safety margin at the point of shutdown to protect the card but repeated stressing to this point cant be good for the life of the card. This is not an imaginary problem. CQ is pushing my card to the point of thermal shutdown whereas before it was fine (docked did cause the card fan to speed up a little but nothing this huge). Should I be expected to watercool my GPU or run a $1000 card JUST to be able to show one avatar wandering around a room? If you say no then surely CCP (and those saying the problem doenst exist) have to accept that the coding is flawed?
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:43:00 - [446] Bump!
Julliette Libertine Gallente The Greek Connection	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:44:00 - [447] i got same problem but with the gpu usage before incarna the gpu usage was not over 50% and the temperature was max 55c after incarna the temp got to 65c and the gpu usage on CQ is stable to 90% a lot of ppl got the same problem on station if we turn off CQ the gpu usage fall down to 40-50% and the temperature too...the only thing we asking is here CCP check the graph on station do something to fix this issue So long and thanks for all the fish.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:02:00 - [448] So, the mods are about, but still ignoring the growing stack of issues here. Big surprise.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:24:00 - [449] Back to the top of the forums, I say.
Rebel Boss	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:26:00 - [450] Originally by: Firid Soulbane Even though you have a valid argument it seems like you are the one that wants attention. i finaly investigated the problem with my PC, the truth is my powersource had a meltdown, reasons? well i found all kind of species in my pc and they were not amar, caldari, jove... All kind of new alien life forms were in my system :D, all temps cpu, gpu, mb, hdds, where over 60degree celtious for more than 2 months, by my logs, and the drop that broke the camel was that my cooler of my power source was jamed :D... now i buyd a new decent source and all are back to normal like the first day... So for my was probably a coincidence like i stated :P keep up the good work and be xenofob with your system cuz if not you all will be colonized :D CYA

Rebel Boss	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:28:00 - [451] Originally by: Rebel Boss well my pc got toasted (burned) or something i can tell this by the smell, my system was and hope is still a amd phenom quad core 9500 with atiradeon on a3m32 asus board all asus, it may be a coincidence but it crushed just seconds away to go te see my shuttle from that balcony, the point is that fataly crushed in eve... i am still investigating the issue, atm i am desansable the hole pc... keep u posted wish my luck :/ i finaly investigated the problem with my PC, the truth is my powersource had a meltdown, reasons? well i found all kind of species in my pc and they were not amar, caldari, jove... All kind of new alien life forms were in my system :D, all temps cpu, gpu, mb, hdds, where over 60degree celtious for more than 2 months, by my logs, and the drop that broke the camel was that my cooler of my power source was jamed :D... now i buyd a new decent source and all are back to normal like the first day... So for my was probably a coincidence like i stated :P keep up the good work and be xenofob with your system cuz if not you all will be colonized :D CYA
Rebel Boss	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:32:00 - [452] wtf is CQ anyawys cuz i keep see CQ up CQ down... thx in advance
Rebel Boss	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:37:00 - [453] Originally by: Rebel Boss Originally by: Rebel Boss well my pc got toasted (burned) or something i can tell this by the smell, my system was and hope is still a amd phenom quad core 9500 with atiradeon on a3m32 asus board all asus, it may be a coincidence but it crushed just seconds away to go te see my shuttle from that balcony, the point is that fataly crushed in eve... i am still investigating the issue, atm i am desansable the hole pc... keep u posted wish my luck :/ i finaly investigated the problem with my PC, the truth is my powersource had a meltdown, reasons? well i found all kind of species in my pc and they were not amar, caldari, jove... All kind of new alien life forms were in my system :D, all temps cpu, gpu, mb, hdds, where over 60degree celtious for more than 2 months, by my logs, and the drop that broke the camel was that my cooler of my power source was jamed :D... now i buyd a new decent source and all are back to normal like the first day... So for my was probably a coincidence like i stated :P keep up the good work and be xenofob with your system cuz if not you all will be colonized :D CYA oh i got it cq comes from captain quarters muahahha
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 13:08:00 - [454] Yeah, CQ is Corporate Quacks... I mean capitans quarters.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 13:45:00 - [455] Quote-Bump "A self-destructive man feels completely alienated, utterly alone. He's an outsider to the human community. He thinks to himself, "I must be insane." What he fails to realize is that society has, just as he does, a vested interest in considerable losses and catastrophes. These wars, famines, floods and quakes meet well-defined needs. Man wants chaos. In fact, he's gotta have it. Depression, strife, riots, murder, all this dread. We're irresistibly drawn to that almost orgiastic state created out of death and destruction. It's in all of us. We revel in it. Sure, the media tries to put a sad face on these things, painting them up as great human tragedies. But we all know the function of the media has never been to eliminate the evils of the world, no. Their job is to persuade us to accept those evils and get used to living with them. The powers that be want us to be passive observers. Hey, you got a match? And they haven't given us any other options outside the occasional, purely symbolic, participatory act of voting. You want the puppet on the right or the puppet on the left? I feel that the time has come to project my own inadequacies and dissatisfactions into the sociopolitical and scientific schemes, Let my own lack of a voice be heard."
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:04:00 - [456] Quote-Bump "You can't fight city hall, death and taxes. Don't talk about politics or religion. This is all the equivalent of enemy propaganda rolling across the picket line. " Lay down, G.I. Lay down, G.I." We saw it all through the 20th Century. And now in the 21st Century, it's time to stand up and realize that we should not allow ourselves to be crammed into this rat maze. We should not submit to dehumanization. I don't know about you, but I'm concerned with what's happening in this world. I'm concerned with the structure. I'm concerned with the systems of control, those that control my life and those that seek to control it even more! I want freedom! That's what I want! And that's what you should want! It's up to each and every one of us to turn loose and just shovel the greed, the hatred, the envy and, yes, the insecurities, because that is the central mode of control; make us feel pathetic, small, so we'll willingly give up our sovereignty, our liberty, our destiny. We have got to realize that we're being conditioned on a mass scale. Start challenging this corporate slave state! The 21st Century is gonna be a new century, not the century of slavery, not the century of lies and issues of no significance and classism and statism and all the rest of the modes of control! It's gonna be the age of humankind standing up for something pure and something right! What a bunch of garbage; liberal Democrat, conservative Republican. It's all there to control you. Two sides of the same coin. Two management teams bidding for control! The C.E.O. job of Slavery, Incorporated! The truth is out there in front of you, but they lay out this buffet of lies! I'm sick of it, and I'm not gonna take a bite out of it! Do you got me? Resistance is not futile. We're gonna win this thing. Humankind is too good! We're not a bunch of underachievers! We're gonna stand up and we're gonna be human beings! We're gonna get fired up about the real things, the things that matter: creativity and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit! Well, that's it! That's all I got to say! It's in your court."
Trinity Roze Gallente First Flying Wing Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:07:00 - [457] we're still going on about this? being CCP has yet to answer.....just move your pc or pos mac into a walk in freezer.... i'm not mocking the actual problem of overheating/burning out, just giving a stupid solution. thank you for your time
zlt	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:10:00 - [458] WHAT JUST HAPPENED: Solomon: I think EVE is making my computer overheat. Everyone: SHUT THE **** UP GET A NEW COMPUTER STOP TORLLING
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:12:00 - [459] Originally by: Constantine Saberinni Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 23/06/2011 09:51:05 Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 23/06/2011 09:33:50 Loki et al, Im sorry but I find your argument of the software isnt an issue and that its our cooling thats inadequate more than a little condescending and patronising. Whilst the logic is correct if (in my case) my standard and unmodded GTX 460 is being pushed to the point of thermal shutdown then clearly its cooling is inadequate but should we really expect a relatively small environment and one avator to push a card to this limit? Yes, the previous poster is correct in saying that code cant damage hardware in itself but if the volume and complexity of that code thats dumped on the GPU pushes it so hard that it shuts down this does have the potential to cause problems. You would hope that the drivers allow sufficient safety margin at the point of shutdown to protect the card but repeated stressing to this point cant be good for the life of the card. This is not an imaginary problem. CQ is pushing my card to the point of thermal shutdown whereas before it was fine (docked did cause the card fan to speed up a little but nothing this huge). Should I be expected to watercool my GPU or run a $1000 card JUST to be able to show one avatar wandering around a room? If you say no then surely CCP (and those saying the problem doenst exist) have to accept that the coding is flawed? ^^^ this.
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:16:00 - [460] Bump

Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:18:00 - [461] Originally by: zlt WHAT JUST HAPPENED: Solomon: I think EVE is making my computer overheat. Everyone: SHUT THE **** UP GET A NEW COMPUTER STOP TORLLING In addition to what solomon just posted, the fact that a poorly rendered character (compared to the creator rendering of the character) in a small room with a few streaming screens, is causing top of the line rigs with properly installed and clean cooling systems to overheat is just ridiculous. What scale of problems do you think this will cause if they were to implement WIS with the current CQ settings?
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:20:00 - [462] Originally by: Rebel Boss i finaly investigated the problem with my PC, the truth is my powersource had a meltdown, reasons? well i found all kind of species in my pc and they were not amar, caldari, jove... All kind of new alien life forms were in my system :D, all temps cpu, gpu, mb, hdds, where over 60degree celtious for more than 2 months, by my logs, and the drop that broke the camel was that my cooler of my power source was jamed :D... now i buyd a new decent source and all are back to normal like the first day... So for my was probably a coincidence like i stated :P keep up the good work and be xenofob with your system cuz if not you all will be colonized :D CYA ^^ Let this be a lesson to all you whiners out there: it isn't EVE, it's you. --
Hogan Miner	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:21:00 - [463] Dont know if someone notice i post this in diferent thread same issue as this user ... I notice one thing with my friends biggest problems are in hangar room or when you face that direction CPU goes UP rapidly when in CQ... even when you look by camera that direction cpu goes rapidly up.. If you just sit on ass and look at TV its about 50 60 max 70% on my CPU athlon X2 dual core 5600+ but when go to hangar or just look this way i get my self to 70-80% sometimes 95 and qouite a lot :) My GPU ATI6850 50% activity 40% fan temp around 70 its normal for her.. :) has no problmes even with two clients at once but my CPU will be terible overloaded and its not so old ok its not the newest model but still i think it should work fine with game like eve .. :)) no problems at all in more complex 3D games CCP realy miss something when they make CQ especialy that hangar part :)) or they try to fry our athlons :) So if you want to investigate if CQ is good for your CPU do it in hangar room then tell us your CPU ussage here you trols :)
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:21:00 - [464] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/06/2011 14:24:56 Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/06/2011 14:23:14 Originally by: Constantine Saberinni Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 23/06/2011 09:51:05 Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 23/06/2011 09:33:50 Loki et al, Im sorry but I find your argument of the software isnt an issue and that its our cooling thats inadequate more than a little condescending and patronising. Whilst the logic is correct if (in my case) my standard and unmodded GTX 460 is being pushed to the point of thermal shutdown then clearly its cooling is inadequate but should we really expect a relatively small environment and one avator to push a card to this limit? Yes, the previous poster is correct in saying that code cant damage hardware in itself but if the volume and complexity of that code thats dumped on the GPU pushes it so hard that it shuts down this does have the potential to cause problems. You would hope that the drivers allow sufficient safety margin at the point of shutdown to protect the card but repeated stressing to this point cant be good for the life of the card. This is not an imaginary problem. CQ is pushing my card to the point of thermal shutdown whereas before it was fine (docked did cause the card fan to speed up a little but nothing this huge). Should I be expected to watercool my GPU or run a $1000 card JUST to be able to show one avatar wandering around a room? If you say no then surely CCP (and those saying the problem doenst exist) have to accept that the coding is flawed? In this respect, what we (the "EVE wont break your computer" people) have said is much like science: Its unfortunate that you feel patronized and like we are being condescending, it really is, but that won't change the facts. You can be unsatisfied all you want, I nor anyone else can take that from you. You won't change the facts though - As the theoretical physicist Lawrence krauss once said "The universe is the way it is, whether we like it or not". Nobody says its an imaginary problem, in fact we fully accept and acknowledge your problem - And very probably Incarna/CQ needs a great deal of optimization and fixing, I'm positive about that. What we're saying is you're blaming the wrong people/thing. Either blame the person who put your computer together, or the person who is supposed to clean your computer, update it, or blame your hardware vendor for false advertisement on proper cooling or defective hardware, or the people making the drivers for your machine. CQ can only do to your CPU and GPU what your CPU and GPU LETS it do. In other words, if there is a limit that shouldn't be reached and you have drivers and hardware that works like it should, your system will be throttled one way or the other to compensate for the load so that limit isn't reached or crossed - If this doesn't happen its because of inadequate cooling, poor ventilation, poor drivers or defective hardware, or a mix of these. I hold no opinion of you one way or the other. Like I've said, I've done rig building and consulting for a living..That doesn't make me an authority, I know - But what I'm saying is true, and if you don't like it or think I'm patronizing you, you're welcome to do your own research and find your own answers, because then you can't be helped by people like me. Why? Because you don't want to be. You're after fitting your facts to support your theory, not fitting your theory to support the facts..Unscientific, biased and an agenda to boot.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:22:00 - [465] Edited by: Zero GodOfDestruction on 23/06/2011 14:27:27 You can take it from here, solomon. If you get bored, read over what you missed, as some of it you might find entertaining. I'm going to crash like a pc running CQ. Later everyone, and stay vigilant. Edit: Cadela Fria, If you are going to write a response, you should read more than the first and last few pages. Look through till you find the conversation between loki and I. This lack of communication on both sides has already been adressed. The issue is that a single rendered character in a small room with a few streaming screens and a few clickable objects should not eat up such a large quantity of cpu or gpu, no matter how detailed. It is an inneficency problem with the coding of cq.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:28:00 - [466] I understand what everyone is saying. I do ... I get it. Your computer shouldn't overheat and if it does, it's because of failed cooling. I get that. I have absolutely no idea how to improve the cooling on my end so that point is mute. My point is ... CQ alone should not be taxing hardware like mine to the extent that it is. It's not proper code. It's a bad engine. It does need to be looked into by CCP and this thread won't leave the first page until we receive some form of Dev response.
RJBlues	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:30:00 - [467] Edited by: RJBlues on 23/06/2011 14:30:52 After playing for a little while on the following: Phenom II X6 1075 nvidia gigabyte gtx 460 (1gb) 4 gb ram windows 7, 64 bit. In space, my computer stays at about 30 to 40 degrees.. Playing crysis 2 gets my system to 45 degrees. Battlefield bc2 gets it to about the same. edit : Cooling is top notch, computer is just a couple of months old. Captains quarters : 68 degrees last time I played it. Wish I knew why the heck this happens. Just adding my info in the pool just in case a ccp dev or moderator cares enough to read the feedback threads that arent full of douchbaggery.
wannabomber	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:38:00 - [468] This is by FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR the most stuid problem that was taken up on foruns.... WTF?!? Eve burning cards and boards? You people must be a complete noob regarding tech stuff. I would shut my mouth 1st and ask opinions to some1 that knows what is talking about. Really Solomon XI, please just say you were bored and decided to put the blame on game rather your ignorance. At least yr thread made me laught for some minutes... Learn to control your hardware/software then get back and report. FIY I use a box with ubunto 10.1, wine and 3 eve clients - > no problems reported ALso use same box with win7 64 and no problems reported My graphic card is 2,5 years (8800gts g92) old and i play max res with 3 clients and 2 monitors all the time, even my box gets direct sunlight on a country were temps now are 30¦ outside and is aircooled with 4 fans overall. How about learning nvidea stuff and cooling, pc tuneup and OS, and then, after you get educated, come back here and post the result. FIY 2: This is how a unsupported setup looks like, with drivers that needed to be self-tuned and all stuff @ max res.... learn before you raise stupid issues mate. Also the desktop is using compiz and 3d cube on top o f the 3 eve clients... If you know what that means.... http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5627/screenshot1wl.jpg
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:39:00 - [469] Originally by: RJBlues Edited by: RJBlues on 23/06/2011 14:30:52 After playing for a little while on the following: Phenom II X6 1075 nvidia gigabyte gtx 460 (1gb) 4 gb ram windows 7, 64 bit. In space, my computer stays at about 30 to 40 degrees.. Playing crysis 2 gets my system to 45 degrees. Battlefield bc2 gets it to about the same. edit : Cooling is top notch, computer is just a couple of months old. Captains quarters : 68 degrees last time I played it. Wish I knew why the heck this happens. Just adding my info in the pool just in case a ccp dev or moderator cares enough to read the feedback threads that arent full of douchbaggery. That's what I am saying. Even top notch and what could be deemed as proper cooling isn't keeping up. =/
RJBlues	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:40:00 - [470] Originally by: wannabomber Idiotic words How about you just crawl back in your mancave in your moms house and leave us adults to discuss real things. Even if it is not an issue that touches your little life-sphere in the slightest does not mean it isnt real.

Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:41:00 - [471] Originally by: wannabomber Stuff. You're an idiot who doesn't read replies, am I right? The fact remains that setups which should handle this easily cannot. See the post above yours for an example.
wannabomber	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:49:00 - [472] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: wannabomber Stuff. You're an idiot who doesn't read replies, am I right? The fact remains that setups which should handle this easily cannot. See the post above yours for an example. what¦s yr hardware specs? Not general specs as you posted that are useless, real specs like board revisions? Bios versions? Windows updates installed?= What drivers version? what tweaks or mods? What other software? Geeeezzzzzzzz i even plau in a old e6300 and cant see any reason to complain.... It's like fast cars, you can buy a ferrari and that will not make you the faster guy in town, do you get it? Or you need some1 to educate you on that also? Geezzzzz learn yr stuff
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:49:00 - [473] Bump.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:54:00 - [474] Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 14:55:10 Bump. If a Developer replies with specific questions, I will be happy to answer any of them. No Dev feedback @ all though.
wannabomber	Posted - 2011.06.23 14:55:00 - [475] Probably he doesn't even know what vsync is.....
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:02:00 - [476] Friendly nudge.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:08:00 - [477] Originally by: Faith O'Siras Friendly nudge. Reported for continually violating Rule 12: "Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited." --
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:11:00 - [478] >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:12:00 - [479] Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 15:13:23 Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 15:12:37 Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Faith O'Siras Friendly nudge. Reported for continually violating Rule 12: "Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited." Until I have a developer reply - this thread will remain on the main page. I will start it over if I am forced to. The issue is legitimate and does require a Developer response.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:13:00 - [480] Originally by: wannabomber Probably he doesn't even know what vsync is..... He probably does. But locking at your monitor's refresh rate is one of the first remedies to overheating GPU's. Why let it work at > 200 FPS, when your LCD monitor can't do more than 60Hz anyway? --

Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:17:00 - [481] Originally by: Ranka Mei He probably does. Yes I do. I have also considered this. My GPU isn't the issue. The fact is their Incarna engine is maxing out a Quad-Core processor and causing all four cores to run at 80+% consistently. Furthermore the cooling I have installed is the best air cooling you can possible get. The only other option would be installing liquid cooling which may or may not prove beneficial considering the Noctua air cooler I have gives damn near the same performance as a self-sufficient liquid cooled system. Their engine needs serious optimization. Quickly.
Ghost Nightmare Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:21:00 - [482] Ive got a very high powered machine I7 2600k @ 4.8ghz. 8GB 2100mhz DDR3 2 x EVGA GTX570 SC Asus Maximus IV extreme motherboard My computer lets me run 8 windows of eve on good settings with almost no FPS issues. Boot up one captains quarters = poor framerates : /
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:22:00 - [483] Originally by: Ghost Nightmare Ive got a very high powered machine I7 2600k @ 4.8ghz. 8GB 2100mhz DDR3 2 x EVGA GTX570 SC Asus Maximus IV extreme motherboard My computer lets me run 8 windows of eve on good settings with almost no FPS issues. Boot up one captains quarters = poor framerates : / Just another sign of completely ****-poor optimization. What kind of temps are you running on the CPU/GPU's?
Davon Kastire Caldari Hit it n' Quit it	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:29:00 - [484] If this is true then I'm turning off CQ and setting my graphics to the lowest...if that would help. If not then I'm just not going to play EVE until I hear from CCP that they've fix this problem. This is my system. AMD Athlon II 630 Quad Core Processor 4 GB system Momory GeForce 8400 GS I need someone's opinion, is it safe to play EVE at this point in time with this? *"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself."*
wannabomber Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:30:00 - [485] Take yr pc to a doctor... but preferably one that knows what's doing.... S_u_c_k m_e
Nak hak	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:31:00 - [486] Bumpy
crymyname	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:32:00 - [487] ok cq is layers apon layers of polygons which are all trying to be rendered at the same time 90% of them you don't see .. hence the problem with heat and usage ... to me thats bad coding .. the power draw from entring cq is nearly double that of normal because of this.. and i do believe that software on any normal pc can be used to harm the components.. knowing that a)normal everyday pc's are not looked after ie: cleaned weekly b)lots of people use standard parts not high quality c)cooling is not great in most cases .. d)old or wrong drivers being used .. so there we have it .. can you all tell me what your 12v rails are dropping to in cq ? mine 12.4v drops to 11.7v
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:34:00 - [488] Originally by: Solomon XI Their engine needs serious optimization. Quickly. Otherwise there may or may not be a few lines of code somewhere that cause the Engine to run heavier than it should. I have news for everyone here ... the CQ graphics are not that good. For the love of all technical thinking people, stop saying "a few lines of code" or "a line of code" that needs to "be fixed". They don't exist - its a misnomer, its *******s, its ignorant, its untrue, its false, its uninformed...Its not how coding works, and it won't help your case either. Haven't we already established that of course it needs optimization, but that wasn't your original complaint. I'm starting to think you're a troll, and if you are..well played.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:34:00 - [489] Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 15:35:52 Originally by: Davon Kastire If this is true then I'm turning off CQ and setting my graphics to the lowest...if that would help. If not then I'm just not going to play EVE until I hear from CCP that they've fix this problem. This is my system. AMD Athlon II 630 Quad Core Processor 4 GB system Momory GeForce 8400 GS I need someone's opinion, is it safe to play EVE at this point in time with this? Theoretically, yes. I recommend turning off CQ completely and going from there. Monitor your CPU temp and GPU temp and see if they're within safe parameters. This seems to be affecting some players and not others. Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: Solomon XI Their engine needs serious optimization. Quickly. Otherwise there may or may not be a few lines of code somewhere that cause the Engine to run heavier than it should. I have news for everyone here ... the CQ graphics are not that good. For the love of all technical thinking people, stop saying "a few lines of code" or "a line of code" that needs to "be fixed". They don't exist - its a misnomer, its *******s, its ignorant, its untrue, its false, its uninformed...Its not how coding works, and it won't help your case either. Haven't we already established that of course it needs optimization, but that wasn't your original complaint. I'm starting to think you're a troll, and if you are..well played. I'm not trolling. Seriously. And I'm not a programmer or designer. However their engine is based off "code" right? The underlying stuffs is code, right? Forgive me not being completely technical is code speak.
SHAG ALOT Arthie	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:37:00 - [490] In this respect, what we (the "EVE wont break your computer" people) have said is much like science: Its unfortunate that you feel patronized and like we are being condescending, it really is, but that won't change the facts. You can be unsatisfied all you want, I nor anyone else can take that from you. You won't change the facts though - As the theoretical physicist Lawrence krauss once said "The universe is the way it is, whether we like it or not". Nobody says its an imaginary problem, in fact we fully accept and acknowledge your problem - And very probably Incarna/CQ needs a great deal of optimization and fixing, I'm positive about that. What we're saying is you're blaming the wrong people/thing. Either blame the person who put your computer together, or the person who is supposed to clean your computer, update it, or blame your hardware vendor for false advertisement on proper cooling or defective hardware, or the people making the drivers for your machine. CQ can only do to your CPU and GPU what your CPU and GPU LETS it do. In other words, if there is a limit that shouldn't be reached and you have drivers and hardware that works like it should, your system will be throttled one way or the other to compensate for the load so that limit isn't reached or crossed - If this doesn't happen its because of inadequate cooling, poor ventilation, poor drivers or defective hardware, or a mix of these. I hold no opinion of you one way or the other. Like I've said, I've done rig building and consulting for a living..That doesn't make me an authority, I know - But what I'm saying is true, and if you don't like it or think I'm patronizing you, you're welcome to do your own research and find your own answers, because then you can't be helped by people like me. Why? Because you don't want to be. You're after fitting your facts to support your theory, not fitting your theory to support the facts..Unscientific, biased and an agenda to boot. Remind me never to buy a rig from you!!! All games that are brought out are tested with graphics card manufacturers to ensure the drivers work correctly with the game (ps3 users have been having issues with the new rockstar games release overheating the GPU and burning out the ps3 and this is due to bad driver testing and has been proven). To say to someone that has 12 fans plus a gpu fan that its their fault for not having enough cooling is just plain stupid, if it was just 1 guy that had the issue fair enough but multiples!! thats a hell of a coincidence! There is obviously an issue with certain GPU's and CQ. Its possible that all the ppl with issues have do is update to the latest drivers for the GPU to resolve the issue as CCP may have only tested optimization on the latest driver releases. Quoting theoretical physicists does not make you seem smart btw, nor does it lend more credence to a foolish argument

Davon Kastire Caldari Hit it n' Quit it	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:38:00 - [491] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Davon Kastire If this is true then I'm turning off CQ and setting my graphics to the lowest...if that would help. If not then I'm just not going to play EVE until I hear from CCP that they've fix this problem. This is my system. AMD Athlon II 630 Quad Core Processor 4 GB system Momory GeForce 8400 GS I need someone's opinion, is it safe to play EVE at this point in time with this? Theoretically, yes. I recommend turning off CQ completely and going from there. Monitor your CPU temp and GPU temp and see if they're within safe parameters. This seems to be affecting some players and not others. How do I monitor my temps, and how much is too hot? *"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself."*
Wobblebonk	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:39:00 - [492] CQ runs fine with me -- just like any modern 3d fps-type graphics would. OFC, I had to lower the resolution from 1680x1040 to 1440x990 and lower the bloom /hdr, but that is too be expected!!! However, the space side -- requires less resources -- that's because theres a lot less polys!!! Anyhow, I suspect CCP will be upgrading there graphics menu to give graphics options for the space-side of things and station-side. that way we can fine tune the settings a bit easier
Dadanen1 Caldari Beyond Control. Black Legion.	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:42:00 - [493] Originally by: Ghost Nightmare Ive got a very high powered machine I7 2600k @ 4.8ghz. 8GB 2100mhz DDR3 2 x EVGA GTX570 SC Asus Maximus IV extreme motherboard My computer lets me run 8 windows of eve on good settings with almost no FPS issues. Boot up one captains quarters = poor framerates : / running with to following I7 920 @ 2.67ghz 12GB 1600mhz ddr3 1 EVGA GTX580 EVGA E758-A1 X58 motherboard getting avg of 60fps in CQ and space, as well as most other games i've been playing
wannabomber Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:44:00 - [494] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 15:18:35 Originally by: Ranka Mei He probably does. Yes I do. I have also considered this. My GPU isn't the issue. The fact is their Incarna engine is maxing out a Quad-Core processor and causing all four cores to run at 80+% consistently. Furthermore the cooling I have installed is the best air cooling you can possible get. The only other option would be installing liquid cooling which may or may not prove beneficial considering the Noctua air cooler I have gives damn near the same performance as a self-sufficient liquid cooled system. Their engine needs serious optimization. Quickly. Otherwise there may or may not be a few lines of code somewhere that cause the Engine to run heavier than it should. I have news for everyone here ... the CQ graphics are not that good. Have you tried to set cpu affinity? Do you even know that having a cpu @ top usage is good? Means that you making max usage of your resources. Why do you think virtualization came for (among other things)? Do this: update yr bios, yr nvidia bios, ssd/sata firmware, do a hdd wipe and reinstall everyting - don¦t install anything that you REALLY dont need to play eve, get all the latest drivers, tune up your OS and graphic card and install only the eve client. Then, when done, come back and report. If you want help on how to tweak a nvidia card @ bios level tell me, use rivatuner, learn the workings and limits of yr hardware and if still need help i'll be glad to. Is this good for ya? S_u_c_k m_e
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:44:00 - [495] Originally by: Davon Kastire Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Davon Kastire If this is true then I'm turning off CQ and setting my graphics to the lowest...if that would help. If not then I'm just not going to play EVE until I hear from CCP that they've fix this problem. This is my system. AMD Athlon II 630 Quad Core Processor 4 GB system Momory GeForce 8400 GS I need someone's opinion, is it safe to play EVE at this point in time with this? Theoretically, yes. I recommend turning off CQ completely and going from there. Monitor your CPU temp and GPU temp and see if they're within safe parameters. This seems to be affecting some players and not others. How do I monitor my temps, and how much is too hot? Google your processor and find out what the safe operating temp for it would be. I also recommend a program called "CPU Thermometer" to monitor the temps.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:50:00 - [496] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Faith O'Siras Friendly nudge. Reported for continually violating Rule 12: "Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited." Its funny that a few bumps on a forum with a legitimate set of problems gets reported, but when the trolls are out and about trolling every other post, those who report aren't anywhere to be found. Sorry if it is a little off topic, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Continue with the problems/lack of problems arguements till a dev wakes up and finally responds.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:53:00 - [497] Lol. BTW bump.
Forum Chav	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:55:00 - [498] It's alright if you grew up with gaming and what or what not a PC/Laptop needs to do, but if you didn't, then wtf? I have a real basic run-o-the-mill system with only 2gb RAM, Quad Core, godknowswhat Motherboard. It's over three years old, has a old Nvidia card yet runs fine. Wtf am I doing right?
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:57:00 - [499] Originally by: Forum Chav It's alright if you grew up with gaming and what or what not a PC/Laptop needs to do, but if you didn't, then wtf? I have a real basic run-o-the-mill system with only 2gb RAM, Quad Core, godknowswhat Motherboard. It's over three years old, has a old Nvidia card yet runs fine. Wtf am I doing right? This is happening to some people and not to others. There are too many for it to be simple design flaws on the end user end. I truly believe it's an issue with the Incarna optimization and engine and that underlying code somewhere is causing discrimination against certain system profiles for unknown reasons.
Zero GodOfDestruction	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:58:00 - [500] You apparently possess a higher ammount of luck when it comes to this specific problem.

speric	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:00:00 - [501] Solomon, for what its worth,I have the same problems and I have a decent rig. I remember when Starcraft2 came out, there were similar problems. Their problem was; "Meanwhile, John Gillooly of PC Authority pointed out that the between-mission scenes - such as those onboard Jim Raynor's ship - weren't properly framerate capped. "These are fairly static scenes and don't take much work for the graphics card to display them. [But] because of this, the card renders the scene as quickly as possible, which then taxes your card as it works to its full potential," explained Gillooly." I'm not sure this is the problem, but it is very similar. Speric
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:01:00 - [502] Originally by: speric Solomon, for what its worth,I have the same problems and I have a decent rig. I remember when Starcraft2 came out, there were similar problems. Their problem was; "Meanwhile, John Gillooly of PC Authority pointed out that the between-mission scenes - such as those onboard Jim Raynor's ship - weren't properly framerate capped. "These are fairly static scenes and don't take much work for the graphics card to display them. [But] because of this, the card renders the scene as quickly as possible, which then taxes your card as it works to its full potential," explained Gillooly." I'm not sure this is the problem, but it is very similar. Speric Thank you for the support. Interesting that was. I can't speak for others but that just goes to show that in fact improper optimization can indeed cause issues. CCP Developer response yet?
groentenman Krannon of Sherwood Carthage Empires	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:02:00 - [503] Phenom II X4 955(rev b) (overclocked to 3.7) 4gig ram ati hd6850(slightly overclocked) windows 7 64 bit 60 fps in and out of station but fps drops for no reason every now and then when i'm in the cq(17 fps). Seems to be totally rondom since i can get the game to run smoothly for some horus and when i log back in after dinner the fps is down again(i turn my pc off when i leave). Haven't looked at the cpu temps but i'll be keeping a close eye on that just in case.
Singeabooty Raj	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:02:00 - [504] Windows 7 x64 i7 950 O/c 4.2 (Eco Water Cooled) Rampage III Extreme Mobo 12GB RAM Asus GTX 580 x 2 NZXT Phantom Full Tower Case (All fan slots fitted) Bigfoot Killer Network Card Sony LCD 32" Can run 3 Eve accounts at the same with station environment and all graphics set to high no probs. Walcome to PC Gaming Peeps. Happy Days.
mathew hopkins	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:02:00 - [505] Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction You apparently possess a higher ammount of luck when it comes to this specific problem. Hmmm.....luck being a winner's modesty and a loser's excuse methinks. However, mine ignorance is blissful :-)
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:04:00 - [506] Originally by: groentenman Phenom II X4 955(rev b) (overclocked to 3.7) 4gig ram ati hd6850(slightly overclocked) windows 7 64 bit 60 fps in and out of station but fps drops for no reason every now and then when i'm in the cq(17 fps). Seems to be totally rondom since i can get the game to run smoothly for some horus and when i log back in after dinner the fps is down again(i turn my pc off when i leave). Haven't looked at the cpu temps but i'll be keeping a close eye on that just in case. Would be interesting to see what temps you're running. Can you check that and post your results, please?
Lelob	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:06:00 - [507] Saw this thread when it started on day 1. 17 pages later and still no response. ****ing disgraceful that CCP still hasn't responded to you Solomon, or the myriad of people who have posted in here.
groentenman Krannon of Sherwood Carthage Empires	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:07:00 - [508] Out of station is 45 degrees(i run noctua nh-d14 just to keep the damn thing cool). Will keep docked up for a while after i finished my mission and see.
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:07:00 - [509] CCP JUST POSTED SOMETHING OFFICIAL http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535553
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:10:00 - [510] bump.

wannabomber Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:11:00 - [511] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: speric Solomon, for what its worth,I have the same problems and I have a decent rig. I remember when Starcraft2 came out, there were similar problems. Their problem was; "Meanwhile, John Gillooly of PC Authority pointed out that the between-mission scenes - such as those onboard Jim Raynor's ship - weren't properly framerate capped. "These are fairly static scenes and don't take much work for the graphics card to display them. [But] because of this, the card renders the scene as quickly as possible, which then taxes your card as it works to its full potential," explained Gillooly." I'm not sure this is the problem, but it is very similar. Speric Thank you for the support. Interesting that was. I can't speak for others but that just goes to show that in fact improper optimization can indeed cause issues. CCP Developer response yet? Funny that the only reply that doesn't really help is the one you give credit... We can quote gazilions of examples from a gazilion of software flaws and where does that relate to Eve? Do you wanna talk about windows flaws? Do you wanna talk about hardware flaws? Do you wanna talk about ram flaws? Do you wanna talk about code flaws? Do you...... Understand this: if a problem is reported by a majority of people then you can think about blaming the coder, but if you only have a few people complain do you really think that it's a coder flaw? Get a poll up so that you get the bigger picture and then work your way up to a conclusion. else this is rubbish posting from you mate... S_u_c_k m_e
wannabomber Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:13:00 - [512] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 16:10:18 CCP JUST POSTED SOMETHING OFFICIAL http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535553 Last time i checked CCP doesnt support muliple clients on 1 machine or did something changed and i didnt realize? I can quote the petition response from CCP about not supporting more than 1 client in 1 pc. S_u_c_k m_e
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:16:00 - [513] Originally by: wannabomber Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 16:10:18 CCP JUST POSTED SOMETHING OFFICIAL http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535553 Last time i checked CCP doesnt support muliple clients on 1 machine or did something changed and i didnt realize? I can quote the petition response from CCP about not supporting more than 1 client in 1 pc. I don't do multiple clients as this is a one client only issue.
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:17:00 - [514] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/06/2011 16:19:48 Originally by: SHAG ALOT Arthie Remind me never to buy a rig from you!!! All games that are brought out are tested with graphics card manufacturers to ensure the drivers work correctly with the game (ps3 users have been having issues with the new rockstar games release overheating the GPU and burning out the ps3 and this is due to bad driver testing and has been proven). To say to someone that has 12 fans plus a gpu fan that its their fault for not having enough cooling is just plain stupid, if it was just 1 guy that had the issue fair enough but multiples!! thats a hell of a coincidence! There is obviously an issue with certain GPU's and CQ. Its possible that all the ppl with issues have do is update to the latest drivers for the GPU to resolve the issue as CCP may have only tested optimization on the latest driver releases. Quoting theoretical physicists does not make you seem smart btw, nor does it lend more credence to a foolish argument Okay, never buy a rig from me. But I'm sorry you completely misread what I said, and you didn't read everything I said nor the reasons given for what I said, which I explained thoroughly. I'm sorry you didn't take the time to read my post properly, because at no point did I say it HAD to be one particular issue. It could be any number of issues, but one thing is certain, there is no "Breach thermal limit" code in existence...thats dependent on the driver. And I never made a claim to be smart, you are the one aiming personal insults at my intellect now without me having ever mentioned it. Thats your unfortunate choice, not mine. However you are mistaken in saying it doesn't help the argument - I chose the quote very carefully to underline the point I was making. The quote isn't about who made it, its about what the quote says..Could've been anyone, but in this case it was Lawrence Krauss. That you're hiding behind an alt while doing all this, well..shrugs Oh and also, never buy a rig from me. Happy now?
mathew hopkins	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:19:00 - [515] Originally by: Singeabooty Raj Windows 7 x64 i7 950 O/c 4.2 (Eco Water Cooled) Rampage III Extreme Mobo 12GB RAM Asus GTX 580 x 2 NZXT Phantom Full Tower Case (All fan slots fitted) Bigfoot Killer Network Card Sony LCD 32" Can run 3 Eve accounts at the same with station environment and all graphics set to high no probs. Holy sh*t, does that thing do toasted sandwiches too? Walcome to PC Gaming Peeps. Happy Days.
groentenman Krannon of Sherwood Carthage Empires	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:22:00 - [516] 48 degrees in station. Keep in mind that i overclock using the BIOS and not through any software programs
Trattu	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:25:00 - [517] I haven't read all the post here. However, for those having overheat issue, better to check display "interval" value. When I first dock on CQ, my CPU temp went over 80 degree, there "PRESENT INTERVAL" set to "interval immidiate". After I set it back to "interval one", GPU temp stay around 60 degree and stable, with three client running, though only main client use CQ. My PC is, Core i7 870 8Gb ram GeForce GTX 460 with two 21 inch LCD (1600x1050) run one client on main screen with fixed window mode, and two on the other screen as window mode. Overall CPU usage stay below 30%
POS Trader	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:27:00 - [518] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 02:25:20 Originally by: Morgenholt Blue Originally by: Solomon XI CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. This is not CCP's fault. This is your own fault for not having sufficient cooling in your PC. And you sir ... are an absolute idiot. Read the original post and you'll see that I DO IN FACT have proper cooling. 12 case fans. Noctua heatsink (which is comparable to liquid almost). It is NOT an issue on my end. My system has plenty of cooling. My heatsink is also properly mounted. I'm not an idiot. Just wow. I know it is difficult for some to understand, but Morgenholt Blue is 100% correct. *YOUR HARDWARE IS BROKEN* It is not possible for well cooled hardware to become overheated by running an application on it. Period. There are applications out there that stress load your GPU and/or CPU to test its cooling. And no, EVE ain't it. Maybe you should run some stress tests to isolate problems in your cooling solution. FYI: I have similar CPU. I have noticed no change in CPU utilization or temperatures. Quakelive.com produces a higher CPU load/temperature than Eve. And my case has exactly 1 fan :P
Alternative Issues	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:47:00 - [519] This thread is getting way out of hand. I have worked all my life as a computer tech and I thought I should share some facts. Incarna requires a lot more from your computer, so it works harder and generates more heat. If your computer gets to hot, it will shutdown or restart, your CPU or GPU will never be allowed to get so hot that it can harm itself. This is not something any software, i.e. EVE, can change. Thus your computer is not going to overheat and break because it is running EVE. Should be noted that increased temperatures, decreases the lifetime of various components. If you feel that your computer is getting to hot, the first thing to do is to clean the fans and the heatsink. A computer can generate a lot of dust, which will disrupt and block the airflow, especially between the heatsinks and the fans. If that is not the issue I would suggest you seek out your local computer store and let them do their thing.
wannabomber Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:48:00 - [520] Edited by: wannabomber on 23/06/2011 16:50:51 Edited by: wannabomber on 23/06/2011 16:50:17 Just for the record: q9300 @ 3,46Ghz (oc'ed ofc) cpu cooler - coolermaster Hyper 6 2x 2Gb corsair @ 4-4-4-12 (bus runs over 450mhz - have to check current speed) EP45-Ds3R board bios F11e (09/03/2009) Geforce 8800gts 512 g92 - rev A2 running @ 900mhz core and 1024mhz mems SSD mushkin 60Gb latest firmware thermaltake 1000w psu on board sound card (realtek crap 7.1) Box - Coolermaster cm690 5 fans fitted on rig Now lemme tell you 1 piece of advise: It's probably yr fault of the da bad cooling, it's all about airflow and ambient temp. With 12(wow) fans most probably your ruining yr cooling, study air cooling 1st seems the best advise. Fans dont cool anything, they just moove air. What more can we help mate? p.s.- not that by itself this means anything but i design and maintain server farms for +15 years.... do you think that will at least gimme some credit? maybe not..... S_u_c_k m_e

Kile Kitmoore	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:51:00 - [521] Originally by: wannabomber Edited by: wannabomber on 23/06/2011 15:33:47 This is by FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR the most stuid problem that was taken up on foruns.... WTF?!? Eve burning cards and boards? You people must be a complete noob regarding tech stuff. I would shut my mouth 1st and ask opinions to some1 that knows what is talking about. Really Solomon XI, please just say you were bored and decided to put the blame on game rather your ignorance. At least yr thread made me laught for some minutes... Learn to control your hardware/software then get back and report. FIY I use a box with ubunto 10.1, wine and 3 eve clients - > no problems reported ALso use same box with win7 64 and no problems reported My graphic card is 2,5 years (8800gts g92) old and i play max res with 3 clients and 2 monitors all the time, even my box gets direct sunlight on a country were temps now are 30¦ outside and is aircooled with 4 fans overall. How about learning nvidea stuff and cooling, pc tuneup and OS, and then, after you get educated, come back here and post the result. FIY 2: This is how a unsupported setup looks like, with drivers that needed to be self-tuned and all stuff @ max res.... learn before you raise stupid issues mate. Also the desktop is using compiz and 3d cube on top o f the 3 eve clients... If you know what that means.... [URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/screenshot1wl.jpg/] Umm, want to try all three with CQ loaded.
wannabomber Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:00:00 - [522] Edited by: wannabomber on 23/06/2011 17:04:18 Quote: Umm, want to try all three with CQ loaded. Sorry mate havent had time, yet, to update the linux client but tomorrow i'll post a screen of it. Ok it's old screen but some people know about the issues on linux, eve and graphic cards. Give you a rl an example: This linux setup was making my nvidia shutdown in less then 10m, temps were all over the roof. After spending 2 weeks tracing kernel and drivers i found out a bug in the compiling process of nvidia linux driver (oficial one). Solution: install nvclock and by magic that 2 bits that were badly compiled came back to good working order and temps came down to floor level. 60¦ in a 8800gts is nothing, they handle about 100¦ no sweat. S_u_c_k m_e
Bloodpetal	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:04:00 - [523] Bumping for the last readers. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535553 ____________________________________________________ Cost of the week of June 21st
wannabomber Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:06:00 - [524] Originally by: Bloodpetal Bumping for the last readers. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535553 With that post you realize very fast that CCP is looking for hardware os software flaws.... S_u_c_k m_e
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:23:00 - [525] never got a blue just to acknowledge there may be a problem, but start there own thread on heat issues, they lack balls lol seen this on twitter maybe someone can make more sense of it than me Sometimes I hate being right. This is why CQ is so harsh on your video card, really poor optimization on the 3D artist. i.imgur.com/Vibl8.gif
Bloodpetal	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:33:00 - [526] My GPU actually runs COOLER with 2 CQ's running - but runs like crap. ____________________________________________________ Cost of the week of June 21st
Pyrna Elkali	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:49:00 - [527] Edited by: Pyrna Elkali on 23/06/2011 17:58:22 Edited by: Pyrna Elkali on 23/06/2011 17:52:47 Phenom II x6 1035T 2ghz 8gig ram EVGA GeForce GTX 460 FTW 1gig (for the win edition heavy overclock) Win 7 x64 in a crappy HP micro tower (yup uATX motherboard) basic cpu cooler and 1 back fan (only the PSU and the CG where swaped PSU: LC power green giant 460w 80plus) no overheat for CG pre incarna 60~ deg post incarna 53~ deg (yup thats right even cooler ) load 78% pre and 58% post (single or multi CQ loaded all graph and avatar settings to max) (CG fan template base while the OC is handmade from a SC (superclocked) to a FTW level (yup i got lucky to buy a 200$ SC and get a 300$ ftw perf) CPU same: lower temp/load on all my monitor (i run eve on a 26" LG tv on Hdmi and a 19" for monitoring CG cpu load
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:09:00 - [528] Interesting...
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:12:00 - [529] Originally by: leth ghost never got a blue just to acknowledge there may be a problem, but start there own thread on heat issues, they lack balls lol seen this on twitter maybe someone can make more sense of it than me Sometimes I hate being right. This is why CQ is so harsh on your video card, really poor optimization on the 3D artist. i.imgur.com/Vibl8.gif Now THAT is extremely interesting. CCP Developer wish to comment on this?
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:19:00 - [530] Doing a bit of Googling and I suspect that may actually be exactly what's causing all of the issues. I'm not a 3D engineer so I don't know. Still ... That's very interesting.

Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:46:00 - [531] What leth ghost posted deserves more information. Could this be the cause of our issues? DISCUSS!
Kirtur Muhaha Gallente Ragnarok Rising	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:55:00 - [532] I have a really crappy store bought computer (and its even compact so its about 1/3 the size of your average box) and all Ive had done to it is to add an AMD Athlon 7750 Dual Core Processor (2.70 GHz) and I know almost nothing about computers except that I like to use them... But Ive had zero trouble with Incarna either in or out or the CQ... Comp runs the same as its always done My Head Is On Loose But The Screws Are Tight
Madcow Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:40:00 - [533] Solomon do you have to spam everywhere because your system has crap cooling? ______________________ I am just a crazy cow
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:52:00 - [534] Originally by: Madcow Solomon do you have to spam everywhere because your system has crap cooling? Until otherwise noted.
Pyrna Elkali	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:54:00 - [535] Originally by: Solomon XI What leth ghost posted deserves more information. Could this be the cause of our issues? DISCUSS! well ,,, no since i run a similare setup with a oc to the bones CG and a higher cpu tdp with 11 fan less in case and a generic amd cpu cooler. and get no problems ... with one or more client running on CQ screen. and ////that screen official source or just pure assumption///
Temuken Radzu	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:12:00 - [536] Edited by: Temuken Radzu on 23/06/2011 20:15:06 I got to say that i dont have much problems running incarna... even with a fairly old pc. my specs: core 2 duo 2.27 Gh 3G ram 8800 GTX graphics card average fps 30 in station. 50 to 60 fps in space medium to high graphics in 1920:1080 resolution not realy a increase in fan speed but did not read the temperature.
Neo Jaguar	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:52:00 - [537] heh... I just think its interesting that my rig has 700 fps out in space running 3 clients with all maxxed and 45-50 when docked.. :P btw, GPU working at 35% out in space / 100% docked... i5 2500k oc to 5.0ghz 8gb ddr 3 working at 2050mhz ATI HD 6970 2gb Asus p67 Sabertooth Corsair H70 water series I`m not having any issues with temp or such, but its interesting to see how the game changes when i`m trying to idle.. :(
Hra Neuvosto The 8th Order Mean Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:15:00 - [538] Originally by: Neo Jaguar I`m not having any issues with temp or such, but its interesting to see how the game changes when i`m trying to idle.. :( So it's an AFK cloaking buff? ------------------
Neo Jaguar	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:18:00 - [539] Originally by: Hra Neuvosto Originally by: Neo Jaguar I`m not having any issues with temp or such, but its interesting to see how the game changes when i`m trying to idle.. :( So it's an AFK cloaking buff? "heh... I just think its interesting that my rig has 700 fps out in space running 3 clients with all maxxed and 45-50 when docked.. :P btw, GPU working at 35% out in space / 100% docked... " No.. when I`m docked and afkish, my computer actually works WAY HARDER then when i`m in fleet fights for eg... Been in small fights with 20 ppl in each side and didn`t load my GPU / CPU as when i`m akish docked..
Solomon XI Hidden Souls	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:21:00 - [540] I dunno why the framerate drops so much. =/

Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:22:00 - [541] Originally by: Solomon XI I dunno why the framerate drops so much. =/ ITT: Broke basement dwellers ***ing about old PC's _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity** Doesn't have an iPhone.
OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:38:00 - [542] Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha I have a really crappy store bought computer (and its even compact so its about 1/3 the size of your average box) and all Ive had done to it is to add an AMD Athlon 7750 Dual Core Processor (2.70 GHz) and I know almost nothing about computers except that I like to use them... But Ive had zero trouble with Incarna either in or out or the CQ... Comp runs the same as its always done A bit off topic but I am a big fan of the 7750 Kuma series from AMD back then that was some SERIOUS value for the money to get into some good gaming. Just make sure your MOSFETS can handle 95W Have you used HWmonitor to check temps by chance? Just curious!
Kirtur Muhaha Gallente Ragnarok Rising	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [543] Originally by: OMGWTFResearch Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha I have a really crappy store bought computer (and its even compact so its about 1/3 the size of your average box) and all Ive had done to it is to add an AMD Athlon 7750 Dual Core Processor (2.70 GHz) and I know almost nothing about computers except that I like to use them... But Ive had zero trouble with Incarna either in or out or the CQ... Comp runs the same as its always done A bit off topic but I am a big fan of the 7750 Kuma series from AMD back then that was some SERIOUS value for the money to get into some good gaming. Just make sure your MOSFETS can handle 95W Have you used HWmonitor to check temps by chance? Just curious! I just ran it after being idle in CQ for about 10mins... Im sitting at 30fps, using 25% cpu at 48c... Hardly touches my system when I dock in Incarna haha _________________________________________________ My Head is on Loose but the Screws are Tight
Faith O'Siras	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:20:00 - [544] Just a friendly reminder to everyone who is actually experiencing this issue - please view the sticky topic linked earlier in this thread and submit a petition to CCP technical support. They are looking into this issue finally.
Pyrna Elkali	Posted - 2011.06.24 07:28:00 - [545] Originally by: Neo Jaguar heh... I just think its interesting that my rig has 700 fps out in space running 3 clients with all maxxed and 45-50 when docked.. :P btw, GPU working at 35% out in space / 100% docked... i5 2500k oc to 5.0ghz 8gb ddr 3 working at 2050mhz ATI HD 6970 2gb Asus p67 Sabertooth Corsair H70 water series I`m not having any issues with temp or such, but its interesting to see how the game changes when i`m trying to idle.. :( interesting a friend with same setup (except for CG who is dual gtx580) has 60fps single/multiclient inspace and 30fps (like me) in CQ ... the Fps isnt locked at 60fps ok nevermind we tested with intervall immediate he has 700fps inspace too ( ad for me i raise from 60fps IS to 200fps and 30fps CQ to 60fps (him triclient me single (didnt reactivated all my acc)
Stormchyld Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.24 13:18:00 - [546] Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/06/2011 14:24:56 Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/06/2011 14:23:14 Originally by: Constantine Saberinni Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 23/06/2011 09:51:05 Edited by: Constantine Saberinni on 23/06/2011 09:33:50 Loki et al, Im sorry but I find your argument of the software isnt an issue and that its our cooling thats inadequate more than a little condescending and patronising. Whilst the logic is correct if (in my case) my standard and unmodded GTX 460 is being pushed to the point of thermal shutdown then clearly its cooling is inadequate but should we really expect a relatively small environment and one avator to push a card to this limit? Yes, the previous poster is correct in saying that code cant damage hardware in itself but if the volume and complexity of that code thats dumped on the GPU pushes it so hard that it shuts down this does have the potential to cause problems. You would hope that the drivers allow sufficient safety margin at the point of shutdown to protect the card but repeated stressing to this point cant be good for the life of the card. This is not an imaginary problem. CQ is pushing my card to the point of thermal shutdown whereas before it was fine (docked did cause the card fan to speed up a little but nothing this huge). Should I be expected to watercool my GPU or run a $1000 card JUST to be able to show one avatar wandering around a room? If you say no then surely CCP (and those saying the problem doenst exist) have to accept that the coding is flawed? In this respect, what we (the "EVE wont break your computer" people) have said is much like science: Its unfortunate that you feel patronized and like we are being condescending, it really is, but that won't change the facts. You can be unsatisfied all you want, I nor anyone else can take that from you. You won't change the facts though - As the theoretical physicist Lawrence krauss once said "The universe is the way it is, whether we like it or not". Nobody says its an imaginary problem, in fact we fully accept and acknowledge your problem - And very probably Incarna/CQ needs a great deal of optimization and fixing, I'm positive about that. What we're saying is you're blaming the wrong people/thing. Either blame the person who put your computer together, or the person who is supposed to clean your computer, update it, or blame your hardware vendor for false advertisement on proper cooling or defective hardware, or the people making the drivers for your machine. CQ can only do to your CPU and GPU what your CPU and GPU LETS it do. In other words, if there is a limit that shouldn't be reached and you have drivers and hardware that works like it should, your system will be throttled one way or the other to compensate for the load so that limit isn't reached or crossed - If this doesn't happen its because of inadequate cooling, poor ventilation, poor drivers or defective hardware, or a mix of these. I hold no opinion of you one way or the other....... ....snipped because of bullsht ... and you are ignoring what people are posting. you refuse to get it. I play another game and it doesn't cause the kinds of issues I'm getting and other people. their cooling systems are fine (as is mine) and other games don't cause so much strain that their computers (nor mine) are crashing because of the extreme loads CQ is placing upon them. the day before incarna was released their computers (and mine) were running eve just fine. incarna is released and now their computers (and mine) are crashing because of the new strain caused by incarna*. there is obviously looping and major memory leaks in this release. but by all means keep posting nonsense ... it just shows how much you enjoy trolling.
Stormchyld Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.24 13:22:00 - [547] Originally by: Davon Kastire If this is true then I'm turning off CQ and setting my graphics to the lowest...if that would help. If not then I'm just not going to play EVE until I hear from CCP that they've fix this problem. This is my system. AMD Athlon II 630 Quad Core Processor 4 GB system Momory GeForce 8400 GS I need someone's opinion, is it safe to play EVE at this point in time with this? ... unfortunately CCP has announced in previous threads that the ability to shut off CQ is going to be removed at some point in the future. but hey, I guess they feel that losing thousands and thousands of accounts is not a problem. I haven't read a single page on any thread I've seen since they announced they are introducing rmt that hasn't had people unsubbing.
Ste'ven Sch'orik Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 13:46:00 - [548] If you are NOT having problems then this topic isn't for you. Stop trying to discredit those of us having problems and stop being so dang self-centered. CCP jacked up and we are having very serious problems that we didn't have BEFORE Incarna. The strain on my gpu is higher than it was before even though there is no increase in graphic quality. I run everything on lowest settings and have turned the station environment off but its overheating my gpu as if graphics were maxed. This was not an issue before Incarna. I get no lag or anything like that. I tried disabling Physx acceleration and that has not helped. It is especially bad when in transit from one place to another and while in warp. CCP really fouled up big time and I have gotten zero response from them even in their issues thread. What the heck is going on and why won't CCP even respond. Not even a threat to kick me in the teeth or whatever. Nothing. __________________________________________________
Aldur vale Caldari The 1AU-High Club	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:26:00 - [549] I simply find that the one or two trollish people here that are disregarding everyone elses problems are just those types with more money than brain cells. If you have a great system that you built for a couple grand then good for you, enjoy your i7 while it's reigning supreme in your little one-track world, try not to short out your gtx580 or SSD when you **** on it, etc... Other people that cant afford to buy/build a multi-thousand [insert native currency here] rig are not too "poor" to play the game and should have as much right as anyone else to play it without severe performance issues. There have been a few posts in this thread that have really got my goat. Simply disregarding the fact that there may be an issue on CCP's end is short-sighted and just plain rude. Blaming it on any other hardware setup but your own is bigotted and you probably ought to donate your hardware to someone who would actually appreciate it. Having said that, the OP bought a new PC just for Incarna and it is pretty well specced out. There seems to be the occasional poster who has a decent system that also seems to be a relativley nice person. I would trust the benchmarks over the opinions of a few trolls. tl;dr - what the guy above me said and don't pick on older systems. -------------------------------------------------- "Check, captain can you hear me?" "I'm standing right here." "You're coming through good and loud." "That's cuz I'm standing right here!"
Kile Kitmoore	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:39:00 - [550] After play with CQ a bit yesterday I had some interesting results. If I am looking at the video screens the CPU utilization is like 30% but turning the camera and pointing back up the walk way toward my ship it jumps up to 50%. Has anyone else noticed these wild swings depending on what is actually viewed in CQ?

Jared Tobin Bloodstone Industries B.S.I.	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:59:00 - [551] Originally by: Kile Kitmoore After play with CQ a bit yesterday I had some interesting results. If I am looking at the video screens the CPU utilization is like 30% but turning the camera and pointing back up the walk way toward my ship it jumps up to 50%. Has anyone else noticed these wild swings depending on what is actually viewed in CQ? In my experience with CQ (while in an air-conditioned environment, using a non-laptop) before I hit my critical 80+ C degree range of an overheating graphic card (which has its own cooling fan on the card itself) ... I, too, noticed that the usage of graphical and physical memory oddly increased and/or fluctuated "illogically" when my avatar would be looking an something innocuously static (a wall) versus something more complex - such as the 3 video screens or the ship hangar. I have since turned off CQ.
Mobius Reynolds	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:20:00 - [552] Edited by: Mobius Reynolds on 24/06/2011 16:21:40 Phenom II X4 955 Black (No Over-clocking or heat damage) CPU Cooling: Asetek 510LC Self-Contained Liquid Cooling nVidia EVGA GTX 465 12 GB DDR3 Corsair RAM with heat spreaders windows 7, 64 bit. 8x 120mm case fans Ok...I can run and record Crysis 2 full specs no problem...but for Incarna (1 client, closing down non-essential background processes, with anti-virus in a gaming-mode)things work a little differently for me. Loaded up Incarna with my settings optimized for my hardware...got to walk around the CQ for a little while...then my mobo gave off it's heat warning alarm, then shut off the computer. Rebooted, adjusted settings, and now my computer crashes when I go towards the ship in the CQ...no warnings, no alarms...just turns off like a reset button...Not sure if my system is damaged (as I can still run plenty of other games fine at full specs)... Maybe I've got a mobo issue, but since other people are having similar issues, I figured I'd post here...
Pyrna Elkali	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:25:00 - [553] Originally by: Ste'ven Sch'orik If you are NOT having problems then this topic isn't for you. Stop trying to discredit those of us having problems and stop being so dang self-centered. CCP jacked up and we are having very serious problems that we didn't have BEFORE Incarna. The strain on my gpu is higher than it was before even though there is no increase in graphic quality. I run everything on lowest settings and have turned the station environment off but its overheating my gpu as if graphics were maxed. This was not an issue before Incarna. I get no lag or anything like that. I tried disabling Physx acceleration and that has not helped. It is especially bad when in transit from one place to another and while in warp. CCP really fouled up big time and I have gotten zero response from them even in their issues thread. What the heck is going on and why won't CCP even respond. Not even a threat to kick me in the teeth or whatever. Nothing. if some have no problems with CQ and incarna maybe the problem is elsewhere.... like in the cooling ( no no dont give the "my cooling is perfect look" ) also how come that OP with same card (non OC i think) and a lower #w cpu (top of it water cooled) have problem in a domain where i dont encounter them with a Oc to the edge CG (same) and a single fan in my case (not mentioning generic amd cpu cooler and 26 degree at max on all cpu core)
Pyrna Elkali	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:30:00 - [554] Originally by: Mobius Reynolds Edited by: Mobius Reynolds on 24/06/2011 16:21:40 Phenom II X4 955 Black (No Over-clocking or heat damage) CPU Cooling: Asetek 510LC Self-Contained Liquid Cooling nVidia EVGA GTX 465 12 GB DDR3 Corsair RAM with heat spreaders windows 7, 64 bit. 8x 120mm case fans Ok...I can run and record Crysis 2 full specs no problem...but for Incarna (1 client, closing down non-essential background processes, with anti-virus in a gaming-mode)things work a little differently for me. Loaded up Incarna with my settings optimized for my hardware...got to walk around the CQ for a little while...then my mobo gave off it's heat warning alarm, then shut off the computer. Rebooted, adjusted settings, and now my computer crashes when I go towards the ship in the CQ...no warnings, no alarms...just turns off like a reset button...Not sure if my system is damaged (as I can still run plenty of other games fine at full specs)... Maybe I've got a mobo issue, but since other people are having similar issues, I figured I'd post here... its been announced that crysis isnt power hungry as it was supposed to be (+ its DX9, DX11 patch is on the way) also eve too is DX9 i dont know or have a hint from where your problem come (and i think its unfaire that someone like me with a HP micro tower 1 80mm fan 1 generic amd cpu cooler and kinda same setup ( 4gig ram less but whatever) have no problems and other have it )
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Caelestis Starcaller	Posted - 2011.06.26 00:46:00 - [556] Originally by: Solomon XI CCP, I've been playing Eve Online since 2007 and absolutely love your game. It's a wonderful Science Fiction MMO and I can't wait to see where your vision takes us in the future. However, I have an extremely serious problem and so do many others if you read the forums a bit. First of all, I built a new system anticipating Incarna. Specifications posted below. Windows7 x64 4GB RAM nVidia EVGA GTX 460 Phenom II X4 940 QC B/E It's not a bad system. Air cooled. Case has 12 fans in it. Decent heat-sink to boot (Noctua). Should handle Eve Online Incarna pretty well right? WRONG. Before Incarna, I was getting roughly 60 FPS undocked and average a CPU temp of around 38C-45C during engagements with all effects on and the best graphics. Even more FPS and less CPU overload if I had everything turned to the lowest settings & effects completely turned off. Now let's talk about Incarna. With max graphics turned on, I dropped down to around 30FPS in QC and my CPU overhead went through the roof. My CPU temp climbed to 65C before I closed Eve to cool it down. For the record, the max safe temp for an AMD Phenom II like mine is 62C. My GPU sounded like a Ferarri during that period. Ok, whatever. I didn't load station enviroment and turned all settings back to extremely low. Undocked. CPU OVERHEAD INCREASED 6x from what it used to be. Sitting UNDOCKED with no effects and low graphics =58% CPU load wtf? I was idling at 53C on my CPU and 60FPS. CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. What the hell happened? Just for reference if your system over heats that has absolutly nothing to do with software coding in a game. There are no code line that go like "increase temp by 10%" orso its completely hardware + driver related so make sure the driver is up to date to deal with the newer Directx instruction sets properly The game definitely needs more power to show everything which is entirely normal. You want it to look better then it comes at a cost. But what jumps out in your configuration is the use of 12 fans. Ive been building high-end gaming rigs for years an NEVER have come close to needing that amount. I have a strong feeling that you have your fan setup incorrect forcing more air into the case then you have have blowing out. Due to the fact that you use 12 it will probably run rather normal with mediocre performance games but when push comes to shove the importance of creating an under pressurized system is critical. Have a good look at the direction of all of your fans and make sure you have at the very least 1 more blowing out then you have blowing in. This will most likely solve the issue. You'll also want to pay attention to the speeds of the fans and make sure they are blowing all at the same rate to test it correctly. Also random holes in a case are bad make sure to close of anything that doesn't have a fan behind it (doesn't need to be air tight just closed)
JrHottspitta	Posted - 2011.08.11 23:05:00 - [557] Have you ever tried using Prime95 or any other burn in program? I have noticed no serious heat issues. Probably because i intentionally crank up the heat and perform stability tests with every new build. Temperatures are a walk in the park compared to other intensive programs. ) Prime95 for CPU, Furmark for GPU)
JrHottspitta	Posted - 2011.08.11 23:14:00 - [558] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 22/06/2011 02:25:20 Originally by: Morgenholt Blue Originally by: Solomon XI CCP your game is broken. There are reports of burned graphics cards, burned CPU's, and even a burned MotherBoard on the forums right now. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY OR OFFER A REVERT PATCH AND ADMIT HONESTLY THAT SOMETHING BORKED ON YOUR END. This is not CCP's fault. This is your own fault for not having sufficient cooling in your PC. And you sir ... are an absolute idiot. Read the original post and you'll see that I DO IN FACT have proper cooling. 12 case fans. Noctua heatsink (which is comparable to liquid almost). It is NOT an issue on my end. My system has plenty of cooling. My heatsink is also properly mounted. I'm not an idiot. Liquid cooling is far more conductive then air cooling. In no way are they comparable to the same temps to be expected. Unless your comparing the difference in how awesome one is compared to the other. Haha
captain dirka Caldari Sinister Elite Raining Doom	Posted - 2011.08.12 20:42:00 - [559] another example of ccp not caring about its customer base. if you want them to take notice. well your gonna have to convince 60,000 people to cancel their subscriptions like myself and 10 friends adding up to 20+ accounts have done already. this account is going off next when its time runs out. thanks ccp you ruined your game, and our experience.


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