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Varesk Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:37:00 - [1] Temp has spiked. I am running 5 fans and the following specs. Windows 7 64bit 8 gigs ram amd athlon 64 x 2 Dual Core Processor 6400+ 3.1ghz geforce 9800 gx2 Heat sink on the CPU The Temp has gone up to almost 70c on the processor from just being in CQ. What did you do CCP?
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:46:00 - [2] That is a 90nm Windsor core for one (Known to get very hot for a LONG time now) And on top of that it is 125W That is ALOT of heat to move and so if your stock fan has even a small amount of dust it will get hot quick. That is life. NOTHING to do with CCP. But YOUR failure to anticipate the cooling needs of your computer. If you cant handle EVE you cant handle a tool like Prime95 which truly tests your cores. Therefore your cooling is bad. Get it serviced or learn to put a better cooler on yourself.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:50:00 - [3] CQ seems to max out CPUs and GPUs. My gtx460 fan kicked into high gear and the noise drove me to disable CQ. Other folks are also reporting similar heat issues with CQ. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Varesk Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:51:00 - [4] Edited by: Varesk on 22/06/2011 04:51:47 considering my temp spiked over 30c from CQ i would say my comp runs fine. running 3 accts before this expansion my temp NEVER rose above 50c. now i dont even want to log the other two in due to this. if one acct. raises it 30c then 30 x 3 = 90 which would fry my cpu. thank you for not helping and making yourself look like a tool. edit, this reply was for the bad poster under my op.
gdjghjhgjfh Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Varesk Temp has spiked. I am running 5 fans and the following specs. Windows 7 64bit 8 gigs ram amd athlon 64 x 2 Dual Core Processor 6400+ 3.1ghz geforce 9800 gx2 Heat sink on the CPU The Temp has gone up to almost 70c on the processor from just being in CQ. What did you do CCP? http://www.pantherproducts.co.uk/Articles/CPU/CPU%20Temperatures.shtml CPU Critical Temperature AMD Athlon Series AMD Athlon (socket) up to 1Ghz 90¦C AMD Athlon (slot) all speeds 70¦C AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1Ghz+ 95¦C AMD Athlon MP 1.33Ghz+ 95¦C AMD Athlon XP 1.33Ghz+ 90¦C AMD Athlon XP T-Bred upto 2100+ 90¦C AMD Athlon XP T-Bred over 2100+ 85¦C AMD Athlon XP Barton 85¦C AMD Athlon 64 70¦C AMD Athlon 64 (Socket 939, 1.4 volts) 65¦C AMD Athlon 64 FX (sledgehammer) 70¦C AMD Athlon FX (San Diego + Toledo + Windsor) 63¦C AMD Athlon X2 (Manchester + Toledo) 65¦C AMD Athlon X2 (Windsor) 70¦C-72¦C (1.35v - 1.25v) AMD Athlon X2 (Brisbane) 78¦C (1.25v) AMD Phenom AMD Phenom 70¦C AMD Phenom X3 70¦C AMD Phenom X4 (9100, 9750, 9850) 61¦C AMD Phenom X4 (9550, 9650) 70¦C AMD Sempron AMD Sempron (T-bred/Barton core) 90¦C AMD Sempron (Paris core) 70¦C AMD Sempron (Manila) 69¦C/78¦C Model dependant AMD Mobile Sempron 95¦C Intel Pentium D Pentium D (Smithfield 805, 820) 63¦C Pentium D (Smithfield 830, 840) 69.8¦C Pentium D (Presler 915, 920, 930, 945, 960) 63.4¦C Pentium D (Presler 940, 950) 68.6¦C Intel Celeron Series Celeron D (Prescott) 67¦C Celeron D (Cedar Mill) 69.2¦C Mobile Celeron 100¦C Intel Core 2 Duo Intel core 2 Duo (Conroe E4300, E4400, E6300, E6400) 61.4¦C Intel Core 2 Duo (Conroe E4500, E4600, E4700) 73.3¦C Intel Core 2 Duo (Conroe E6320, E6420, E6540, E6550, E6600, E6700, E6750, E6850) 60.1¦C Intel Core 2 Duo (Wolfdale) 72.4¦C Mobile Core 2 Duo 100¦C Intel Core 2 Extreme Intel Core 2 Extreme (Conroe) 60.4¦C Intel Core 2 Extreme (Kentsfield Q6700) 71¦C Intel Core 2 Extreme (Kentsfield Q6600) 62.2¦C Intel Core 2 Extreme (Kentsfield QX6700, QX6850) 64.5¦C Intel Core 2 Extreme (Kentsfield QX6800) 54.8¦C Intel Core 2 Extreme (Yorkfiled Q9300, Q9450, Q9550) 71.4¦C Intel Core 2 Extreme (Yorkfield QX9650) 64.5¦C Intel Core 2 Extreme (Yorkfield QX9770) 55.5¦C Intel Core 2 Extreme (Hypertown QX9775) 63¦C Intel Itanium 2 Intel Itanium 2 below 1Ghz 66¦C Intel Itanium 2 1Ghz - 1.6Ghz 83¦C
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:58:00 - [6] Edited by: Zachstar on 22/06/2011 04:59:55 Originally by: Varesk Edited by: Varesk on 22/06/2011 04:51:47 considering my temp spiked over 30c from CQ i would say my comp runs fine. running 3 accts before this expansion my temp NEVER rose above 50c. now i dont even want to log the other two in due to this. if one acct. raises it 30c then 30 x 3 = 90 which would fry my cpu. thank you for not helping and making yourself look like a tool. edit, this reply was for the bad poster under my op. Call it bad all you want but it is the truth. If you cant pass EVE in temps you cant pass Prime95 therefore by most modern standards your cooling is NOT able to handle your TDP. Blaming CCP for actually using the resources of your computer to render their game is what is not helping here. Also your math is bunk. A CPU cant go past 100 percent load. Originally by: stoicfaux CQ seems to max out CPUs and GPUs. My gtx460 fan kicked into high gear and the noise drove me to disable CQ. Other folks are also reporting similar heat issues with CQ. Have you at any point changed the Interval in graphics from one to Immediate? If so that is giving your video card NO chance to rest between frames. The FPS gain is minimal yet it causes your card to run much harder than it ought to be. Yes your card needs to be able to handle its TDP but if the fan is annoying or using too much power you ought to make sure that is atleast to one. (At fullscreen you can go higher as well)
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Zachstar Also your math is bunk. A CPU cant go past 100 percent load. Only an idiot confuses load with temperatures. Now kindly, leave the thread. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Zachstar Also your math is bunk. A CPU cant go past 100 percent load. Only an idiot confuses load with temperatures. Now kindly, leave the thread. At 100 percent load a CPU displaces it max TDP. That is why a company puts the TDP on the box for the core at stock clock. If your cooling cant handle the max TDP listed it is NOT CCPs fault but yours or the person responsible for servicing the PC.
Proats Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:02:00 - [9] Don't use stock fans.
Tellenta Gallente versic LLC	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:06:00 - [10] I boiled a cup of tea from the exhaust fan of my laptop. CCP you **ing dumb sonsa*es if you're bound and determined to prevent a people from accessing a persistent universe.... I.... ** it....
Callha Ri	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:06:00 - [11] Same here, got an AMD Phenom II X4 Black Edition 940, @ 3000 MHz (x4) and an ATI HD 4890, and CQ is making my computer scream and overheat like there is no tomorrow. From reading the recent posts that have been posted in the forums, there is obviously an issue with CQ and some computers, most of the issues are encountered with AMD platforms from what I have read, but I am not sure if it's specific to AMD. The first reply to op obviously knows nothing about what he is saying, just trying to defend I don't know what exactly. Don't waste your time with him, just skip his post.
Varesk Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:08:00 - [12] i am not using stock fans. kthx.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Callha Ri Same here, got an AMD Phenom II X4 Black Edition 940, @ 3000 MHz (x4) and an ATI HD 4890, and CQ is making my computer scream and overheat like there is no tomorrow. From reading the recent posts that have been posted in the forums, there is obviously an issue with CQ and some computers, most of the issues are encountered with AMD platforms from what I have read, but I am not sure if it's specific to AMD. The first reply to op obviously knows nothing about what he is saying, just trying to defend I don't know what exactly. Don't waste your time with him, just skip his post. So your are saying that your cooling does not have to cool down a CPUs max TDP? If so I question your knowledge on the subject. Your fans screaming and the cooling system is working to cool the PC? That is what it is DESIGNED to do! In the older days without fan controllers CPU fans were expected to run at full blast all the time. Only HTPC computers are EXPECTED to remain quiet. You bought a big powerful CPU and expected to NEVER push it to max TDP. Well that is your fault. Not CCPs I have a Phenom II X3 720 overclocked and I bought the proper cooling for it and TESTED it with Prime95. Guess what? I am running CQ just fine.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Zachstar Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Zachstar Also your math is bunk. A CPU cant go past 100 percent load. Only an idiot confuses load with temperatures. Now kindly, leave the thread. At 100 percent load a CPU displaces it max TDP. That is why a company puts the TDP on the box for the core at stock clock. If your cooling cant handle the max TDP listed it is NOT CCPs fault but yours or the person responsible for servicing the PC. However, just because your CPU is at maximum load does not mean it cannot go to higher temps. Reading up on things is all well and good, but if you don't walk the walk, you shouldn't talk the talk. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Varesk i am not using stock fans. kthx. So? There are many crap cooling systems out there. If your cooling system cant handle your CPUs max TDP (More if its overclocked) It isn't right for the CPU and needs to be replaced or serviced. EVE online CANNOT push a core past its Max TDP at stock clocks and voltage. If you changed these guess again who's fault it is? (Hint: Not CCP)
Jaroslav Unwanted	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:14:00 - [16] Phenom x4 9850 OCed to 3,2GHz / Mungen II rev. B cpu cooler / top temp. 57 Nexus Edge tower / 6 funs.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Zachstar Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Zachstar Also your math is bunk. A CPU cant go past 100 percent load. Only an idiot confuses load with temperatures. Now kindly, leave the thread. At 100 percent load a CPU displaces it max TDP. That is why a company puts the TDP on the box for the core at stock clock. If your cooling cant handle the max TDP listed it is NOT CCPs fault but yours or the person responsible for servicing the PC. However, just because your CPU is at maximum load does not mean it cannot go to higher temps. Reading up on things is all well and good, but if you don't walk the walk, you shouldn't talk the talk. TDP is in Watts NOT degrees. If your cooling is bad the Watts cant dissipate and therefore heat buildup. Simple Physics.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Callha Ri Same here, got an AMD Phenom II X4 Black Edition 940, @ 3000 MHz (x4) and an ATI HD 4890, and CQ is making my computer scream and overheat like there is no tomorrow. From reading the recent posts that have been posted in the forums, there is obviously an issue with CQ and some computers, most of the issues are encountered with AMD platforms from what I have read, but I am not sure if it's specific to AMD. The first reply to op obviously knows nothing about what he is saying, just trying to defend I don't know what exactly. Don't waste your time with him, just skip his post. AMD and older Intel chips. People reporting no issues seem to have the newer intel chips in their setup. CCP's DEVs probably have the latest hardware and never encountered the problem. Still, it's up to CCP to accommodate the customer and his hardware within reason...not the other way around. I suspect this expansion will go down in MMO history as the thing that broke CCP resulting in mass unsubs. _ _________ _ "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it."
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Zachstar TDP is in Watts NOT degrees. If your cooling is bad the Watts cant dissipate and therefore heat buildup. Simple Physics. Just keep digging up wiki pages my friend. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Wa'roun Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:18:00 - [20] Twice now my computer has shut off when in CQ. I have to wait 5 min or so for it to want to turn back on. As soon as my second attempt to view the CQ upon logging into the game occurred, within 4 seconds my computer shut off without warning. I have a Phenom 550 x2 and ATI Radeon 3870HD.
Callha Ri	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Zachstar Originally by: Callha Ri Same here, got an AMD Phenom II X4 Black Edition 940, @ 3000 MHz (x4) and an ATI HD 4890, and CQ is making my computer scream and overheat like there is no tomorrow. From reading the recent posts that have been posted in the forums, there is obviously an issue with CQ and some computers, most of the issues are encountered with AMD platforms from what I have read, but I am not sure if it's specific to AMD. The first reply to op obviously knows nothing about what he is saying, just trying to defend I don't know what exactly. Don't waste your time with him, just skip his post. So your are saying that your cooling does not have to cool down a CPUs max TDP? If so I question your knowledge on the subject. Your fans screaming and the cooling system is working to cool the PC? That is what it is DESIGNED to do! In the older days without fan controllers CPU fans were expected to run at full blast all the time. Only HTPC computers are EXPECTED to remain quiet. You bought a big powerful CPU and expected to NEVER push it to max TDP. Well that is your fault. Not CCPs I have a Phenom II X3 720 overclocked and I bought the proper cooling for it and TESTED it with Prime95. Guess what? I am running CQ just fine. Spare me the gibbering, nothing as good as a good old cross test, I have tried other demanding games (FFXIV, Crysis 2), I even run F@H during night and my computer never reached such heat. So please go touch your self somewhere else with somebody else. Peace
Callha Ri	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Wa'roun Twice now my computer has shut off when in CQ. I have to wait 5 min or so for it to want to turn back on. As soon as my second attempt to view the CQ upon logging into the game occurred, within 4 seconds my computer shut off without warning. I have a Phenom 550 x2 and ATI Radeon 3870HD. Don't run CQ anymore, you risk frying a component in your computer. Wait till CCP identifies the problem and fix it.
Shereza	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:24:00 - [23] So um, how many of you people have hair/clothing physics enabled? It occurrs to me that if you have the physics enabled, which are quite buggy given how my hair has tried to decapitate my character at least a dozen times by now while she was just sitting, it might be using up extra CPU cycles the game wouldn't normally use.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:25:00 - [24] Being rude does not help you. And F@H isn't evidence as it can be reduced by more or by percent. Also because it is GPU these days it does not truly max out a CPU just nearly so. Folks I have explained the issue with CPU heat and TDP if you want more info I suggest looking it up or looking at the website of your CPU and GPU vendor. posting here any further after this when people want to just blame CCP then tend to their own cooling needs is just doing disservice to the threads that are trying to get CCPs attention of serious issues.
PDS001Sniper Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Varesk Temp has spiked. The Temp has gone up to almost 70c on the processor from just being in CQ. What did you do CCP? Did you set the Intervel to "Default" or "One" ? (Both will lock your FPS below 60) If you set the setting to "Immediate", then you are doing it wrong, the GPU will do the work as hard as they can. # CPU brand: Phenomx4 II 965 3.71Ghz # Motherboard: ASUS M4A78T-E # Memory: Mushkin Enhanced 4G DDR3 1333 # Video card: EVGA GTX 295 CO-OP # Operating system: Windows 7 Home 64-Bit
Wa'roun Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Callha Ri Originally by: Wa'roun Twice now my computer has shut off when in CQ. I have to wait 5 min or so for it to want to turn back on. As soon as my second attempt to view the CQ upon logging into the game occurred, within 4 seconds my computer shut off without warning. I have a Phenom 550 x2 and ATI Radeon 3870HD. Don't run CQ anymore, you risk frying a component in your computer. Wait till CCP identifies the problem and fix it. *sarcastically high-fives CCP...
cyclobs Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Zachstar Being rude does not help you. And F@H isn't evidence as it can be reduced by more or by percent. Also because it is GPU these days it does not truly max out a CPU just nearly so. Folks I have explained the issue with CPU heat and TDP if you want more info I suggest looking it up or looking at the website of your CPU and GPU vendor. posting here any further after this when people want to just blame CCP then tend to their own cooling needs is just doing disservice to the threads that are trying to get CCPs attention of serious issues. gpu is not the default F@H default F@H still only runs on 1 core (unless you get into the HPC which can do multi-cores and GPUS)
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:33:00 - [28] Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 22/06/2011 05:33:18 My GPU temp is hot but fine, interval is set to one (vsync). My (AMD Phenom II x4) CPU temperature is hitting 77C and Incarna crashes within 5 minutes of load every time. While my processor cooler is stock and runs hot, it has NEVER reached this level before. ___ Latest video: Future Proof (720p) 2D Animator
Fi1ippo Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Tellenta I boiled a cup of tea from the exhaust fan of my laptop. CCP you **ing dumb sonsa*es if you're bound and determined to prevent a people from accessing a persistent universe.... I.... ** it.... Your problem. "The man behind the mask is a Maverik Letting off buck-ten shots for the hat trick." From the song Overtime (Maverik Lacrosse Commercial), by D.One. Life = Lax
Kewso	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:36:00 - [30] interval one is your friend with vsync on my temps barely rise course i play all games with vsync on anyhow, smooth as silk on my lcd
cyclobs Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 22/06/2011 05:33:18 My GPU temp is hot but fine, interval is set to one (vsync). My (AMD Phenom II x4) CPU temperature is hitting 77C and Incarna crashes within 5 minutes of load every time. While my processor cooler is stock and runs hot, it has NEVER reached this level before. hitting 60C with my phenom worrys me (<3 D14)
Wa'roun Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:42:00 - [32] I am getting tired of all the people saying "Interval one" when that is the default it is set to.
Kavin Alavandar Extropy Dianoetics	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:49:00 - [33] I just want to thank Zachstar for being the voice of reason, here. Blaming a game/software developer for overheating your system is spectacularly funny. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky
Mr Entity	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:53:00 - [34] AMD Phenom II X6 1075T + GTX460. CPU runs at about 26c, GPU at about 65c (fan speed 48%) with 2 accounts both in CQ. I get about 60fps. If your PCs are getting as hot as you say then you realy do just need better cooling.
Kavin Alavandar Extropy Dianoetics	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:57:00 - [35] And you shouldn't need to buy anything. Stock cooling is more than sufficient for stock speeds. It is tested to death by the manufacturer. If you're overheating without overclocking, the problem is with airflow obstruction of one kind or another. Usually dust, but also commonly poor cable management. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky
Leianna Carebear Mafia Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:14:00 - [36] Edited by: Leianna on 22/06/2011 06:17:54 @Zach: totally agree. I build PCs for a living, and you make sense to me. Not sure what the complaints are about. I'm running AMD CPU, AMD vid card, got graphics cranked, interval immediate, and 2 clients running, both in CQ, switching between both, or just hanging around on one with the other minimized, CPU never breaches 35 celsius / 35% load. A few things come to mind: -Custom build > name brand pre-build -Compressed Air -Update your hardware / software. Seriously, you people that are too cheap to update your machine ** me off lol. Why should the rest of us suffer with crappy graphics just so a game can be compatible with your 6 year old Dell or Acer? This is 2011, if you cant afford a 600 or 700 dollar custom build, but need to settle for a $399 special name brand hunk of crap, stop bloody gaming until you figure your finances out. Also, guess what!? Just because that 6 year old Dell still works, doesnt mean you should use that as an excuse not to update your machine. It still works? great, go play farmville. Seriously though, those of you with heat issues, check into the corsair H50 / H70 / H100 closed-loop water coolers. They work like a dream, are cheap, and very easy to install. I have the H50 and it cut my overall heat produced, under load, by nearly 50% ======================== Assumption is the mother of all **-ups.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:18:00 - [37] I don't like water cooling because many seem to forget to cool the MOSFETS. I was told a good system will run 2-3 hundred which sounds right. You would not want to cool a big ole hemi with a V4s cooler now would ya? Tho I have to admit I would LOVE to be able to run those massive overclocks with it.
Leianna Carebear Mafia Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:23:00 - [38] the H series from corsair are closed loop. there are no parts to put together. The are a simple water pump CPU block, hoses attached, with RAD and fan on the other end. Took all of 5 minutes to install, and heat reduced from 55 celsius under load (fans limited to 50% RPM max), to 33-35 celsius under load. The RAD fan is set to 37.5% RPM in BIOS. Cool, and quiet. ======================== Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups.
Maul555 Amarr Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:25:00 - [39] Edited by: Maul555 on 22/06/2011 06:26:58 Zachstar is telling the truth... I am a computer tech and support his information. If your computer is overheating, then your cooling is inadequate for some reason. It might be old fans, old thermal paste, dust, or something else. Any computer that overheats for any reason was not designed correctly or has components that are no longer operating correctly. I build computers, trust me. The EVE Personality Test
Daelorn	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:28:00 - [40] Edited by: Daelorn on 22/06/2011 06:29:45 This is funny. Hardware has bounds. CCP can't program their game to go past those bounds, its not like CCP can make your processor go to 200%. Like someone else said, if your setup can't handle running at max then its your fault. You should run a stress test and it should be able to run that for hours with no problems. Something like Prime95 (for CPU) and FurMark (for GPU) are great for testing. Also I had 2 BSODs from captain's quarters. Why? Because my GPU is overclocked and soon as I lowered it a little, no more BSODs. Originally by: Maul555 Zachstar is telling the truth... I am a computer tech and support his information. If your computer is overheating, then your cooling is inadequate for some reason. It might be old fans, old thermal paste, dust, or something else. Any computer that overheats for any reason was not designed correctly or has components that are no longer operating correctly. I build computers, trust me. Well... unless you have a laptop!
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Wa'roun I am getting tired of all the people saying "Interval one" when that is the default it is set to. Yet that is the only potential reason Eve would fry your rig, really. If you've got the vsync aka "interval one" on i.e. your puter isn't rendering a gazillion frames for no good reason (read: interval immediate), your rig shouldn't overheat. If it does, then either your cooling is indeed f*ed, or there's some kind of bug in the game overriding the "interval one" setting.
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:48:00 - [42] Let's just say that EVE is not going to become the next Crysis. People might be experiencing problems, but EVE is not in such a state that only the best computers with SLI and overclocking can run it. That's why Crysis became a benchmark. Still, it is high, and a lot of EVE players use minimum set-ups and aren't interested in hardware, or higher end systems. Most, would be quite happy to just have a cheap laptop, and if EVE could run at 60fps on an Intel Atom, I'm sure that's all they would want. We're not talking about gamers that push the envelope on enthusiast equipment here, but rather people who like EVE for other reasons. It's similarity to an RTS being one of them.
Daelorn	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:48:00 - [43] Originally by: MaiLina KaTar Originally by: Wa'roun I am getting tired of all the people saying "Interval one" when that is the default it is set to. Yet that is the only potential reason Eve would fry your rig, really. If you've got the vsync aka "interval one" on i.e. your puter isn't rendering a gazillion frames for no good reason (read: interval immediate), your rig shouldn't overheat. If it does, then either your cooling is indeed fed, or there's some kind of bug in the game overriding the "interval one" setting. Even without interval one your *** shouldn't be overheating.
Cham Palaung	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:18:00 - [44] I run a lot of different mmos with my computer, with high quality graphics (age of conan or aion for example), huge areas, fights and tons of NPCs and other characters around. They run smooth and my computer is silent. I enter the CQ in EVE and my fans become immediatly noisy. We are talking about displaying ONE character in ONE room ! It's too easy and silly to always spit on the players by saying that their hardware suck, when it's most likely the fault of the developpers who have not been able to optimize their work. I do really hope that they will optimize their work soon. I love Incarna's potential, but i won't buy a new computer just because they release unoptimized piece of software. Doing that is encouraging the software industry to become more and more lazy, relying on new expensive hardware to compensate their badly built codes.
Bacon Grits	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:24:00 - [45] Its over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (views that is)
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Daelorn Originally by: MaiLina KaTar Originally by: Wa'roun I am getting tired of all the people saying "Interval one" when that is the default it is set to. Yet that is the only potential reason Eve would fry your rig, really. If you've got the vsync aka "interval one" on i.e. your puter isn't rendering a gazillion frames for no good reason (read: interval immediate), your rig shouldn't overheat. If it does, then either your cooling is indeed fed, or there's some kind of bug in the game overriding the "interval one" setting. Even without interval one your *** shouldn't be overheating. Yes and no. Appearently these days GPUs aren't really equipped - cooling wise - to render max fps without vsync. When there's nothing going on (login screen f.e.) Eve will push some 400+ fps for no good reason. That can fry the card. It's like shifting the gear on your car to idle and then pushing down the gas. Yeah the motor should handle it, but in reality it will break down eventually. Blizzard made the same mistake. Eventually they issued statement asking people to add a line to the config to prevent the StarCraft2 login screen from frying your GPU. Setting interval immediate is just not a good idea, really. Leave it on interval one if you want to keep your rig intact.
Bai Winlock Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 07:34:00 - [47] my cpu hasn't gone over 46c and stays around 30% usage give or take
LeF Andropov	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:03:00 - [48] Imho the main reason for the complaints is the fact, that eve itself hasn't been very demanding in terms of hardware until now. The CQ is a nice piece of work, but is also a real challenge to systems, which might have done well in earlier versions of eve. Now the uncomfortable truth comes out, that some machines aren't that thermically healthy as they should be. Lots of those issues can be fixed by cleaning fans/radiators and bundle cabling somewhere, where it doesn't obstruct airflow throught the chassis. greets red
Wishdokkta CEO The Riot Formation	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:07:00 - [49] I'll summarise the thread. "My computer doesnt work properly, must be CCP's fault." That is all.
LordInvisible Gallente Nova Ardour	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:09:00 - [50] Same here: Core i7 HD 5850 with 1GB VRAM 8GB RAM Air cooled Before incarna with FOUR (4!!) clients running cpu was around 30% usage with 49¦ avg temp. After incarna with ONE (1!!!!one) client running cpu is at 45% usage with 52¦avg temp. I'm scared to use my other three accounts at this time.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "For me EvE wasn't that much fun, many ppl refer to it as a nicely designed database front-end and that
Thaliya Dejar Fallen Angel's White Noise.	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:14:00 - [51] Edited by: Thaliya Dejar on 22/06/2011 08:14:56 Originally by: stoicfaux CQ seems to max out CPUs and GPUs. My gtx460 fan kicked into high gear and the noise drove me to disable CQ. Other folks are also reporting similar heat issues with CQ. Thats wired. I have all setting to High. The cpu usage docked is at 25 % and 15 % in space. But the RAM usage after i docked at a few stations is up to 3.5 GB.. And its not the best PC.
crymyname	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:15:00 - [52] Originally by: Zachstar Being rude does not help you. And F@H isn't evidence as it can be reduced by more or by percent. Also because it is GPU these days it does not truly max out a CPU just nearly so. Folks I have explained the issue with CPU heat and TDP if you want more info I suggest looking it up or looking at the website of your CPU and GPU vendor. posting here any further after this when people want to just blame CCP then tend to their own cooling needs is just doing disservice to the threads that are trying to get CCPs attention of serious issues. BUT YOU HAVE NOT EXPLAINED WHY IT'S HAPPENING .. there are more games out there that have better graphics and use less resouses on the pc ..the power draw on my pc has gon thru the roof .. my 12v rail drops to 11.7v .. explain that ?
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:12:00 - [53] Originally by: crymyname Originally by: Zachstar Being rude does not help you. And F@H isn't evidence as it can be reduced by more or by percent. Also because it is GPU these days it does not truly max out a CPU just nearly so. Folks I have explained the issue with CPU heat and TDP if you want more info I suggest looking it up or looking at the website of your CPU and GPU vendor. posting here any further after this when people want to just blame CCP then tend to their own cooling needs is just doing disservice to the threads that are trying to get CCPs attention of serious issues. BUT YOU HAVE NOT EXPLAINED WHY IT'S HAPPENING .. there are more games out there that have better graphics and use less resouses on the pc ..the power draw on my pc has gon thru the roof .. my 12v rail drops to 11.7v .. explain that ? Running a PSU not designed for max power draw of all your components? CCP sure as hell cant affect 12V rails. Almost all games out there are capped in some way. If say your video memory fills up then the load on the GPU itself stays at a certain percent. Or vice versa. EVE is just managing to balance things enough to get the most work out of all. Yes it will drop some with patches but don't expect huge changes.
Marshiro	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:20:00 - [54] I use a laptop and it overheats with CQ....
Bauer Supreme Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:27:00 - [55] Got a Core Duo 2, cant remember which model think its the 3ghz one with a ú10 Cooler Master fan, temps get up to 50c. Full of dust and in need of new thermal paste which i will do tonight!
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:29:00 - [56] I am using in on an Asus Netbook with ION video card and it seems to work just fine. If a netbook can manage CQ... Auditing \| Research \| 3rd Party \| Collateral Holding \| EvE RL Charity
Tha Tyger Minmatar Legionari	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:32:00 - [57] No problems here at all with me good old Intel Q9450 and Sapphire Radeon HD5830. Maybe the load has increased, but I never bothered to look at that in the first place. Game runs smooth, no complains. Like Zachstar and Kavin Alavandar mentioned, you can't blame a software programmer for hardware failures. Tune down the settings a little, stop trying to overclock your core to 4Ghz on air cooling and provide enough air circulation in your case. If your pc can't handle Prime95 or Futuremark for let's say a solid hour I'm pretty sure CCP is not to blame.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:33:00 - [58] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I am using in on an Asus Netbook with ION video card and it seems to work just fine. If a netbook can manage CQ... I got my parents an ION 1 based system. It is quite amazing how much of a punch they put into that package. Ion 2... That was crap by comparison tho. Very little gain for an increase in power.
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:43:00 - [59] Originally by: Fi1ippo Originally by: Tellenta I boiled a cup of tea from the exhaust fan of my laptop. CCP you **ing dumb sonsa*es if you're bound and determined to prevent a people from accessing a persistent universe.... I.... it.... Your problem. Well that depends. Because if EVE Incarna is only playable on a given % of the current player bases PCs, then those players with less capable systems will be forced to leave EVE. That means reduced subscriptions, and a declining community which in turn becomes.... CCPs Problem. C. the hydrostatic capsule blog**
Kaar Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:46:00 - [60] So Eve is using 100% of the cpu power available to it and you are mad because you built/bought a pc that cant handle running at 100% This is indeed CCP's problem. ---

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