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Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:27:00 - [1] "CCP will never do micro transaction" I've seen this quoted in a number of threads today, but i can't find any links or references to where it was said, all i was able to find was a statement by CCP Shadow on 2010.10.08 that read: Quote: In fact, to this date, I have not been involved in discussions/decision-making processes about whether or not CCP will ever use microtransactions in EVE Online, how such a system would be implemented, and so on Linkage Can someone show me the link to back up this claim that CCP lied to us???
eudi	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:39:00 - [2] http://hosted.corelicorp.net/micro.jpg
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:39:00 - [3] Edited by: Khamelean on 24/06/2011 14:40:48 "We have no plans." does not equal "We will not."
White Tree	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:41:00 - [4] 'We do not have plans too' is not the same as 'We will never'. You weren't lied too at all. _______________________________________
Mamayev Kurgan	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:42:00 - [5] Edited by: Mamayev Kurgan on 24/06/2011 14:43:59 Edited by: Mamayev Kurgan on 24/06/2011 14:43:01 umm, CCP alt? OP provided the link. You know, it baffles me how some people will defend CCP when it is clear as day. "Our Business Model is not changing .. you have nothing to be worried about ..." Sounds like a lie to me.
Issona	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:42:00 - [6] Originally by: White Tree 'We do not have plans too' is not the same as 'We will never'. You weren't lied too at all. QFE
Maddi5on	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:42:00 - [7] Originally by: eudi http://hosted.corelicorp.net/micro.jpg Lolz Incarna: how to obtain your free mono...
Ospie The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:42:00 - [8] A quick search through eve-search and voila http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1341909/page/all
eudi	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Khamelean Edited by: Khamelean on 24/06/2011 14:40:48 "We have no plans." does not equal "We will not." Originally by: CCP Shadow Our business model isn't changing, you all have nothing to be concerned about.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Mamayev Kurgan Edited by: Mamayev Kurgan on 24/06/2011 14:43:59 Edited by: Mamayev Kurgan on 24/06/2011 14:43:01 umm, CCP alt? OP provided the link. You know, it baffles me how some people will defend CCP when it is clear as day. "Our Business Model is not changing .. you have nothing to be worried about ..." Sounds like a lie to me. "is not changing" does not equal "will not change".
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:46:00 - [11] Link. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Mamayev Kurgan	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:47:00 - [12] While you may be technically correct that CCP Shadow didn't lie to us. CCP did .. The most generous I can give you is that they promising something to us .. then changed their mind and didn't tell us about it till they were caught. While that may not be a "untrue statement" .. i.e. a lie. It is most certainly BAD FAITH .. try that with your spouse and see how it goes. "I promised by marrying you not to frack any other women .. but then I changed my mind 2 months into the marriage .. I didn't lie because I never said anything after I changed my mind." CCP alts are getting pathetic.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Mamayev Kurgan "Our Business Model is not changing .. you have nothing to be worried about ..." Sounds like a lie to me. Sounds like one year was enough to change their minds about not wanting to change their model. Or sounds like Shadow was unaware of any plans to change the model. Or any other number of things that amount to something unpleasant, but are still not lies. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:48:00 - [14] If anyone feels like digging, they could always find CCP Wranglers post from about two years ago where he outright promised us that CCP was never going down the microtransaction tree. I remember it mostly because I was trolling the thread it came up in. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:49:00 - [15] Originally by: eudi Originally by: Khamelean Edited by: Khamelean on 24/06/2011 14:40:48 "We have no plans." does not equal "We will not." Originally by: CCP Shadow Our business model isn't changing, you all have nothing to be concerned about. You can't argue with apologists. Fanboyizm is a disease of the mind. ... If you like choice please support this topic in the Assembly Hall. Thanks.
Jedi GrandMaster	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:49:00 - [16] Originally by: White Tree 'We do not have plans too' is not the same as 'We will never'. You weren't lied too at all. Sorry ur a CSM? or CCP fanboi,Im confused.
Kraxalious	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:49:00 - [17] A clever choice of words. All he has to do is say "I didn't know it was going on" or "we didn't have any plans then but the plan changed" and hes off the hook. Hell all your quote says is that he wasn't involved in a decision making process.. not that one wasn't being decided by other people.
Cataca	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:50:00 - [18] Originally by: White Tree 'We do not have plans too' is not the same as 'We will never'. You weren't lied too at all. For an elected representative of the community, you do a remarkably bad job at it.
White Tree	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:51:00 - [19] Edited by: White Tree on 24/06/2011 14:51:04 Originally by: Razin Originally by: eudi Originally by: Khamelean Edited by: Khamelean on 24/06/2011 14:40:48 "We have no plans." does not equal "We will not." Originally by: CCP Shadow Our business model isn't changing, you all have nothing to be concerned about. You can't argue with apologists. Fanboyizm is a disease of the mind. Pointing out the factual accurateness of a statement and its structure is not fanboyism get out. Get out. Originally by: Cataca Originally by: White Tree 'We do not have plans too' is not the same as 'We will never'. You weren't lied too at all. For an elected representative of the community, you do a remarkably bad job at it. What are you even talking about lmao. _______________________________________
Tipsy Gallente X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:51:00 - [20] From the same post you linked: Originally by: CCP Shadow I work in Community, so I don't call the shots about how CCP operates or how the company adapts to changes in the industry, and thus I make no promises about what the future holds. Originally by: CCP Shadow Were CCP to finalize some plans to implement microtransactions in EVE Online, there would be a dev blog or official announcement. As it stands though, I'm unaware of any such plans. This seems pretty clear and CCP has followed this. They announced there would be MT on vanity items. Nothing in the leaked internal newsletter revealed a finalised plan on MT for anything else in EVE, only internal debate.
Tejal Charu	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:51:00 - [21] He believes CCP! laughingwomen.gif.tiff.exe.jpg.com
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Mamayev Kurgan "Our Business Model is not changing .. you have nothing to be worried about ..." Sounds like a lie to me. Sounds like one year was enough to change their minds about not wanting to change their model. Or sounds like Shadow was unaware of any plans to change the model. Or any other number of things that amount to something unpleasant, but are still not lies. Technically it is lie. It doesnt matter if you change youre mind if you say you will/wont do one thing then try to do it you lied. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Lara Dantreb New Horizons	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Khamelean "CCP will never do micro transaction" .../... ...And politicians always do what they promised ofc You always do what you say ? never changed your mind ? You spend too much time in internet spaceship games, Welcome back to the real world !
Mamayev Kurgan	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:51:00 - [24] Edited by: Mamayev Kurgan on 24/06/2011 14:53:16 Double post .. Forum acting buggy with the mob
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:51:00 - [25] It's not a lie, but it's not honest either. + 1500 votes on MT in EVE \| NO 79.03% \| YES 5.02% \| COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% \| OTHER 4.73%
Takseen	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Mamayev Kurgan CCP alts are getting pathetic. As are claims by angry Eve players that anyone defending CCP or even pointing out basic facts must be a CCP alt.
White Tree	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Tobiaz It's not a lie, but it's not honest either. Agreed, it's not 'honest' but it isn't necessarily a 'lie'. Things change, CCP isn't a static company nor are its philosophies. _______________________________________
Lara Dantreb New Horizons	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:53:00 - [28] Originally by: Mamayev Kurgan .../... CCP alts are getting pathetic. Seing conspiracy everywhere is pathetic, it's called paranoia
Ophie	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:53:00 - [29] To be fair to CCP, he's still correct, as there's nothing micro about the transactions they've implemented.
Wile EC	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:55:00 - [30] Stop CRYING already. It is optional. Oh right, you are all secretly ****ed because you can't afford the eye piece. Never thought I would see such cry babies in EVE, some of you need to go play WoW.

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