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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:29:44 I honestly believe that the rage waves of these past days is completely construed by a mob mentality fueled by irrational minds and a lot of emotional people not really thinking things through properly.
First of all, what is actually present in the game is vanity items. Expensive, yes. But they are vain. As has been said one hundred times before, you can buy them with ISK, or you can buy them with PLEX or Aur, or real money. But you can do the same thing you do with any other item, say a revelation dreadnought: If you find no use for it, you do not buy it.
This is usually the point where someone tells me, "but a revelation is actually useful, I'd rather have that", so what? Go buy a revelation then. If you don't want monocles don't buy them. Is that so hard to get through your skull?
Secondly, there was a leaked document "greed is good" whatever, at this point everybody knows this. What wasn't leaked (omitted) was the fact that THOSE OPINIONS WERE JUST THAT, not the policy of CCP, not reflecting what is necessarily going to happen.
This is usually the point where someone tells me, BUT IT'S THE LEAD DESIGNER! So ****ing what? Everyone just assumes that this means that Soundwave autocratically will just do whatever he wants to do. He will decide the future of the game, because all those other employees at CCP (including his bosses) want that to happen.
*DO YOU NOT SEE HOW COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL YOUR LINE OF THINKING IS? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY?*
What he stated was his opinion, he was asked to speak it. So he did. Now people are calling a Jihad on him because of it? This behaviour is more akin to a witch hunt rather than a bunch of rational duders sitting down and analyzing official statements.
Thirdly the alleged statements from Hillmar where he supposedly confirms everything that everyone are fearing, the end of days.
Without a single rational thought people just a) Buy this as legitimate, because why would it be doctored? It was posted in writing from an anonymous source, OF COURSE IT IS LEGIT! b) Start to construe ideas of how corrupt CCP is because of this document and the evil Soundwave's opinion and spreading them c) Cancel their subscription, without confirmation... without anything anywhere sandbox-breaking entering the game, just like that.
Fourthly the ignorance of CCP to all these claims, particularly concerning MT breaking the sandbox. Guys, officially there are no plans to implement any sandbox-breaking content into EVE. The only reason you think this is because of the opinion written in an internal newsletter with BIG A BIG FAT DISCLAIMER asking people to state their opinion. This is the shred of "evidence" to your rioting, for your jumping to conclusions, for your "Let's protest in Jita".
The reason Zulupark's blog seemed so "out of touch" wasn't because HE necessarily was out of touch, it was because in his mind this kind of behaviour displayed is mind-bafflingly irrational. How can people just take that thing and spin it to such a point where they actually are cancelling subscriptions en-masse? It sounds like a joke to him. But him, Fallout, Manifest and Pann have tried to calm everyone down. They understand why you are upset.
So why aren't the bosses at EVE talking to you?
My best guess? They want things to settle down a bit. They think (like I do) that this is mostly a riot, mostly grounded in emotion that wants to get it's anger out. Speaking to a person when he's angry is tiresome. Emotional people tend to be completely irrational, refusing to see blatant evidence in front of them. A mob of irrational people even moreso.
My best guess is that CCP will talk to the CSM again, that they will issue another official statement. And that that statement will contain: "Dudes, we're doing vanity items only", and hopefully this mob will have time to reflect on their behavior and HOPEFULLY come to the conclusion that it perhaps wasn't all that thought out.[
HABIT
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Jason Marshall
Gallente Mad Bombers Guns and Alcohol
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:23:00 -
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150,000th post
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ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:26:00 -
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to the OP
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Marshall 150,000th post
& nobody really cares what you think OP.
tl;dr i got to Quote: mob mentality
& realised you are mad because the game sucks & some people won't put up with it & are leaving.
Do what CCP is doing, just ignore us, we'll all be gone in a few more weeks/months.
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:28:54 This is all just a fun pasttime for you guys, right? You're just here to troll the forums, post images of ponies and have a 4chan day? Right?
This part of the community is a joke.
San Severina: The last part of my post (that you clearly did not read) was especially written for you.
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daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:29:00 -
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so why were they discussing something that they promised would never come to eve?
that doesn't sound like a good use of developer time to think up things you would never actually do.
unless....
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:29:00 -
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Quote: He will decide the future of the game, because all those other employees at CCP (including his bosses) want that to happen.
No, that isnt the logic most people apply. The logic most apply is;
CCP employees like having jobs.
CCP is hilariously cliquey, and dominated by the higher ups. Insubordination and difference of opinion is not greeted well, whilst keeping in line, doing what your told and sucking up is rewarded. (Look at the glass door articles (I think it was the glass door articles anyway))
Ergo, if the higher echelons want it, it is likely to happen.
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Sleven Saken
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:30:00 -
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welcome to being classed as a Devalt also seeing as how any one who helps CCP is now a devalt apparently
sidenote still waiting for RL wallet blinky
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spikes sekips
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:32:00 -
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Because Evenews24 always brings out the truth!
:ohwait:
bashing people for writing constructive posts makes me wonder if this game is worth keeping alive at all
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: daddys helper so why were they discussing something that they promised would never come to eve?
that doesn't sound like a good use of developer time to think up things you would never actually do.
unless....
Why do people ask for opinions on a subject? I don't know. Because they want to hear what people think. Is there a statement in the question where they say "Soundwave, remember that if your opinion is something like <this> or <this>, shut up because we promised!"
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Quote: He will decide the future of the game, because all those other employees at CCP (including his bosses) want that to happen.
No, that isnt the logic most people apply. The logic most apply is;
CCP employees like having jobs.
CCP is hilariously cliquey, and dominated by the higher ups. Insubordination and difference of opinion is not greeted well, whilst keeping in line, doing what your told and sucking up is rewarded. (Look at the glass door articles (I think it was the glass door articles anyway))
Ergo, if the higher echelons want it, it is likely to happen.
Again, in spite of your usage of latin. All of this is pure speculation. NOTHING in-game, NOTHING official has been stated on this, and you are acting as if there are already game-changing imbalanced items flying around in space.
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:37:00 -
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The OP is correct.
All whiners should attempt to merge their head with a brick wall.
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet The OP is correct.
All whiners should attempt to merge their head with a brick wall.
That's not really it either. I'm just hoping that people calm down a bit and hopefully widen their current tunnelvision of anger.
HABIT
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:39:00 -
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If I posted the 4chan my little pony pics I want to I'd be banned (again)
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Sleven Saken
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:39:00 -
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you can hope in one hand and spit in the other and see what fills up faster people in a mobmentality will not think what so ever
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Janus Talmash
Talmash Imports and Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Janus Talmash on 26/06/2011 03:39:56 OP got it partially right, but the last bit he's too optimistic and naive. CCP clearly has shown that they will do what they want/have to, regardless of what that means for the people who are against it. The only reason for CCP to "talk" will be damage control but it will change nothing.
CCP has to implement pay2win because they need the money, due to the WOD/DUST ****up combined with today's economy. Hilmar isn't "evil", he's doing what he must do to increase revenue and he believes (or at least the people who "control" him believe) that Pay2win is a viable way of doing so. Thing is that investors and banks think short term; they want their money back and then GTFO and they don't care about what happens next so they're pressuring for this.
The ONLY way to not have pay2win (Diagoras gave a very clear explanation on the difference between plex and pay2win in that Fearless leaflet, I suggest you read it) is to convince Hilmar/banks/investors that it's a stupid idea, even short term, and the single way to do this is to drop your subscription. Nothing else talks but short term revenue.
If we can't pull that off we'll have gold ammo, shortly after we'll buy faction towers and items through the mall, increased stats and god knows what else. Once Pandora's box is opened you can't go back, it'll only get worse. As CCP is trying to weather the storm so must we; drop subscriptions, SHOW that their intended course costs them more than it gains, even short term. The only way to "save" our game, and CCP in the process. ________
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Fern Dolakar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Fern Dolakar on 26/06/2011 03:40:12 Allegedly wrote the email?
OK seeing as how Navigator locked the original thread for "leaking official CCP documents"
I am going to have to say "wake the **** up"
How can you say its "allegedly" real but certainly doctored?
That is more or less totally backwards when faced with the logic of the situation.
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nota spyalt
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet The OP is correct.
All whiners should attempt to merge their head with a brick wall.
That's not really it either. I'm just hoping that people calm down a bit and hopefully widen their current tunnelvision of anger.
I suppose CCP could always just come out and say 'hey guys don't worry that was just internal speculation, we're not going that route' instead of 'yeah it was real' and then having no response for 96 hours. Why would people jump to such conclusions?
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin NOTHING in-game, NOTHING official has been stated on this, and you are acting as if there are already game-changing imbalanced items flying around in space.
Well by that logic, getting out of the way of a speeding car is unneccasary. (a stretch of course but the same logic applies)
We have NO evidence that it wont happen, and a worrying amount of evidence that it will. Complaining about people coming to the conclusion that it will happen is nonsensical in the extreme.
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:42:00 -
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Quotes from the email have been taken out of context. If I were to summarise the email, it'd be: "The community's response was predictable. We won't act rashly and quickly. Sometimes it's best to ignore a vocal minority. We will continue what we're doing, taking in feedback."
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Kiwi Miner
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:43:00 -
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also remember the screw you e-mail from the ceo plainly saying he does not care what the players think or want his answer is to ignore us.
I wonder if Hilmar Petursson remembers his quote
ōThe evolution of EVE Online continues in large part because of the feedback we receive from subscribers |
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin This is usually the point where someone tells me, "but a revelation is actually useful, I'd rather have that", so what? Go buy a revelation then. If you don't want monocles don't buy them. Is that so hard to get through your skull?
Monocles today, +2% revelation with better lenses tomorrow.
Quote: Secondly, there was a leaked document "greed is good" whatever, at this point everybody knows this. What wasn't leaked (omitted) was the fact that THOSE OPINIONS WERE JUST THAT, not the policy of CCP, not reflecting what is necessarily going to happen.
The discussion wouldn't be in the newsletter if the company wasn't actually talking about that stuff internally. Hilmar is off to some Virtual Goods gaming conference this year. The leaked email talks about the predictable backlash of their actions. CCP refuses to answer the CSM's questions about, "does CCP have any plans to introduce concierge or vanity items to the NeX?"
What they aren't saying is speaking volumes.
Quote: My best guess is that CCP will talk to the CSM again, that they will issue another official statement. And that that statement will contain: "Dudes, we're doing vanity items only"
And where will your argument be when they announce the power items and concierge items in the NeX?
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:44:00 -
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CCP is guilty of shoddy, crap work that ruins the concept of immersion and takes the game backward, not forward.
Incarna avatars that hardly look like the portrait screens, dark captain's quarters (wtf?), ships in hangars that get smaller as you approach them (what happened to scale??), and turret icons that are indistinguishable from each other and look like lumps of coal.
More time to load the station environment, opening screen is my avatar's back (??), and the whole simulation taking up huge memory and CPU resources.
Worst of all, this is all jammed down players' throats despite dire warnings of a hardly complete and polished expansion.
In the four years I've been playing I have never seen so many players so disgusted with such amateurish and incomplete work. That doesn't even touch the microtransactions or stupid prices for vanity items.
The only irrational mind I see is the OP's, who is blind to what is obviously the worst expansion and development decision making in the history of Eve.
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Daemonio
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: nota spyalt
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet The OP is correct.
All whiners should attempt to merge their head with a brick wall.
That's not really it either. I'm just hoping that people calm down a bit and hopefully widen their current tunnelvision of anger.
I suppose CCP could always just come out and say 'hey guys don't worry that was just internal speculation, we're not going that route' instead of 'yeah it was real' and then having no response for 96 hours. Why would people jump to such conclusions?
Quote: Fearless
Fearless is one of our company values. Itęs also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.
Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. Itęs worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.
While itęs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itęs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Quotes from the email have been taken out of context. If I were to summarise the email, it'd be: "The community's response was predictable. We won't act rashly and quickly. Sometimes it's best to ignore a vocal minority. We will continue what we're doing, taking in feedback."
spindoctor spin spin spin
bah. they created this mess with their ego and their refusal to listen and their stupid WoD WiS Ambulatory dress-up space-barbie ram-down-your-throat-with-MOAR-MONOCLE-LEWINSKI bull****.
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daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: daddys helper so why were they discussing something that they promised would never come to eve?
that doesn't sound like a good use of developer time to think up things you would never actually do.
unless....
Why do people ask for opinions on a subject? I don't know. Because they want to hear what people think. Is there a statement in the question where they say "Soundwave, remember that if your opinion is something like <this> or <this>, shut up because we promised!"
what a BS answer, are you Zulus alt or something?
its like the president going on TV and saying "read my lips, no new taxes" and then ordering his cabinet to think up new taxes.
why is he wasting time discussing something he just promised to not do.
why can you people not see that, its like some sort of blind-spot in your thought processes
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:46:00 -
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Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting.
Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation.
If you disagree what Incarna *is* now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell.
If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act.
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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente The 8th Order Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:46:00 -
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If you watched AT9 and bothered to listen to the dialogue occurring between matches you could see the pandering for this " vision " heating up very fast. Personally I called it as a con and it sounding just like most BS Newspeak. Flash forward a bit and guess who was pushing cons again, this time in game.
it's better to get a message across early when you are being eyed like a beast fit for burden.
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jimmy De''Souza on 26/06/2011 03:47:00
Originally by: Daemonio I suppose CCP could always just come out and say 'hey guys don't worry that was just internal speculation, we're not going that route' instead of 'yeah it was real' and then having no response for 96 hours.
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Quote: Fearless
Fearless is one of our company values. Itęs also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.
Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. Itęs worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.
While itęs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itęs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
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Originally by: Daemonio I suppose CCP could always just come out and say 'hey guys don't worry that was just internal speculation.
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Cataca
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Stuff
You do realize, that you are doing EXACTLY the same thing, but with the opposite oppinion?
You base everything in this post on pure speculation. If you define it as a bad thing for us, then it is a bad thing for you as well.
So.. take a hike?
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: daddys helper
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: daddys helper so why were they discussing something that they promised would never come to eve?
that doesn't sound like a good use of developer time to think up things you would never actually do.
unless....
Why do people ask for opinions on a subject? I don't know. Because they want to hear what people think. Is there a statement in the question where they say "Soundwave, remember that if your opinion is something like <this> or <this>, shut up because we promised!"
what a BS answer, are you Zulus alt or something?
its like the president going on TV and saying "read my lips, no new taxes" and then ordering his cabinet to think up new taxes.
why is he wasting time discussing something he just promised to not do.
why can you people not see that, its like some sort of blind-spot in your thought processes
some people are just stupid. That's o.k. -- the new eve will cater to them, and shall be their home.
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