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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha Wait, are you speculating on the assumption that I posted that analogy that I have kids?
Your sentence is somewhat misformed. Anyway there is no assumption you have kids, you stated you did.
Quote: Why don't I respond to my kids tantrums when they throw them? because it only encourages a similar response from them in the future.
Unless I have missed the point of the top quote...
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Kirtur Muhaha
Gallente World-Slayer
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha Wait, are you speculating on the assumption that I posted that analogy that I have kids?
Your sentence is somewhat misformed. Anyway there is no assumption you have kids, you stated you did.
Quote: Why don't I respond to my kids tantrums when they throw them? because it only encourages a similar response from them in the future.
Unless I have missed the point of the top quote...
My attempt to poke a little fun at the speculations of the past few days failed, I will leave now... Farewell o7 (btw, 3 kids... My pride and joy) _________________________________________________ |
Kenny Sin
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:28:54 This is all just a fun pasttime for you guys, right? You're just here to troll the forums, post images of ponies and have a 4chan day? Right?
This part of the community is a joke.
San Severina: The last part of my post (that you clearly did not read) was especially written for you.
no, YOU'RE A JOKE MAN!!!! i was having a 4chan day, eating doritos and tapping my sack, until you came along with your huge e peen and taught everyone a valuable lesson.
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Kenny Sin
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:39:00 -
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also,
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Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kenny Sin
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:28:54 This is all just a fun pasttime for you guys, right? You're just here to troll the forums, post images of ponies and have a 4chan day? Right?
This part of the community is a joke.
San Severina: The last part of my post (that you clearly did not read) was especially written for you.
no, YOU'RE A JOKE MAN!!!! i was having a 4chan day, eating doritos and tapping my sack, until you came along with your huge e peen and taught everyone a valuable lesson.
Thanks, I think I hurt something laughing so hard.
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SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:28:54 This is all just a fun pasttime for you guys, right? You're just here to troll the forums, post images of ponies and have a 4chan day? Right?
This part of the community is a joke.
San Severina: The last part of my post (that you clearly did not read) was especially written for you.
first of all...Habit let you in? wow...
secondly, you are a continual and vehement defender of CCP and everything they do. Which is fine, no one gets mad at you for it. But when a large number of people feel the need to revolt or express how they feel about a change that they feel would irrevocably harm the game theyve grown to LOVE over the last eight years, you blast them for it.
Might I ask why they arent allow to express themselves, while the white-knighters such as yourself feel that they should be able to run about and tell everyone how great CCP is? |
spikes sekips
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: SexxxSlave
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:28:54 This is all just a fun pasttime for you guys, right? You're just here to troll the forums, post images of ponies and have a 4chan day? Right?
This part of the community is a joke.
San Severina: The last part of my post (that you clearly did not read) was especially written for you.
first of all...Habit let you in? wow...
secondly, you are a continual and vehement defender of CCP and everything they do. Which is fine, no one gets mad at you for it. But when a large number of people feel the need to revolt or express how they feel about a change that they feel would irrevocably harm the game theyve grown to LOVE over the last eight years, you blast them for it.
Might I ask why they arent allow to express themselves, while the white-knighters such as yourself feel that they should be able to run about and tell everyone how great CCP is?
Who said they arent allowed to express themselves, didnt he just say that people could calm themselves down a bit? Have you even bothered checking any threads? There are people claiming SP and secstatus for irl cash, where did those rumors come from? I didnt see that in the fearless newsletter atleast...
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: spikes sekips Who said they arent allowed to express themselves, didnt he just say that people could calm themselves down a bit? Have you even bothered checking any threads? There are people claiming SP and secstatus for irl cash, where did those rumors come from? I didnt see that in the fearless newsletter atleast...
The sec status was the SP wasnt to the best of my memory.
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spikes sekips
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Originally by: spikes sekips Who said they arent allowed to express themselves, didnt he just say that people could calm themselves down a bit? Have you even bothered checking any threads? There are people claiming SP and secstatus for irl cash, where did those rumors come from? I didnt see that in the fearless newsletter atleast...
The sec status was the SP wasnt to the best of my memory.
Please point it out to me then? I must have missed where sec status have been discussed.
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jimmy De''Souza on 26/06/2011 04:57:58
Originally by: spikes sekips Please point it out to me then? I must have missed where sec status have been discussed.
Quote: One other service weÆre looking at is selling faction standings. We want to offer convenience for a price. As an example, your friend might give you free tickets to see her band play simply because the two of you are friends; meanwhile, other fans have to pay for a ticket because, well, thatÆs how it normally works. The more noteworthy the band, the more those friendships (and thus the tickets) are worth. If that doesnÆt seem quite an accurate analogy, think of it like this: you can develop a friendship by ôspendingö your time, or you can pay to get the same benefits that friendship would otherwise allow.
Forgive me if I am wrong, but your sec status is the same thing as your standings with concorde right?
Even if not the leap from faction standing to sec status isnt very far. Though that claim should be stopped yes.
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gdjghjhgjfh
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha
Originally by: nota spyalt
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting.
Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation.
If you disagree what Incarna *is* now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell.
If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act.
CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't?
Why don't I respond to my kids tantrums when they throw them? because it only encourages a similar response from them in the future...
want to see a weird reaction from your kids. start throwing a tantrum right next to them. lol
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Conrad Lionhart
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:15:00 -
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I feel Eve is better off without these people. Just ban them and let them leave. Do you really want gamers who are so obsessed with the game that they act this fanatical this the moment they hear something they don't like?
And who are they kidding? They're not gonna leave! This unsub tactic is just a ploy to get CCP scared. It shows that they still care and want CCP to reverse their changes.
If Eve is no longer the game for me, I stop playing it, simple. I won't try to sabotage Jita and ruin it for everyone else.
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spikes sekips
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Forgive me if I am wrong, but your sec status is the same thing as your standings with concorde right?
Even if not the leap from faction standing to sec status isnt very far. Though that claim should be stopped yes.
Faction standing with concord and secstatus is not even close to the same thing no.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Conrad Lionhart I feel Eve is better off without these people. Just ban them and let them leave. Do you really want gamers who are so obsessed with the game that they act this fanatical this the moment they hear something they don't like? *snip* If Eve is no longer the game for me, I stop playing it, simple. I won't try to sabotage Jita and ruin it for everyone else.
You'd think that a community that sticks with a game developer through good and bad would be worth more than a loose mass of people who jump ship as soon as there are problems.. So yeah, don't let the door hit you on the way out once it happens.
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ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:32:00 -
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HAVE U SEEN THIS LATELY???
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: SexxxSlave
first of all...Habit let you in? wow...
secondly, you are a continual and vehement defender of CCP and everything they do. Which is fine, no one gets mad at you for it. But when a large number of people feel the need to revolt or express how they feel about a change that they feel would irrevocably harm the game theyve grown to LOVE over the last eight years, you blast them for it.
Might I ask why they arent allow to express themselves, while the white-knighters such as yourself feel that they should be able to run about and tell everyone how great CCP is?
HABIT and PL are cool duders, there are some people in there that have a different opinion than I, and some that think the way I do. But what you're essentially doing here is making a strawman out of my posting to make it easier for yourself to attack it. It's really not my thing to counter-argue misconstrued versions of my own stance, but let's say that:
a) I am also critical about how CCP have been interacting (or not interacting) with the community, however I don't feel the same urge to nerdrage about it.
b) I'm not really blasting people for their opinion, I am saying that they're being irrational. Overreacting and speculating because what they feel that the game might have in the future seems a bit too far for me. I personally believe what I can smell, touch, feel... and in the game right now, there are no such things as the community is raging about. So v0v
HABIT
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Hohepa Marstolt
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: San Severina
& realised you are mad because the game sucks & some people won't put up with it & are leaving.
Do what CCP is doing, just ignore us, we'll all be gone in a few more weeks/months.
This
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Flesh Pipe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Flesh Pipe on 26/06/2011 14:38:44
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Copper Pipe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:39:00 -
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I can see why people are getting annoyed at what is going on and it is the communication but the speculation that is flying round is stupid.
The company I work for does similar thing as the newsletter that was leaked and it is to generate discussion that is all, most of the time it leads to something totally different than what was originally discussed which ends up a great idea.
Alt posted instead of main
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:33:00 -
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Looks like a lot of people are coming to good realization. About time.
HABIT
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 26/06/2011 21:37:48 Tobias you noob, they are not ready to process logic and reason yet .. twelve more hours, twelve more hours
Edit: By the way "Scenario Planning" is a widely used system in fast paced industries to keep everyone thinking .. who'd have thought.
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Ltd SpacePig
FISKL GUARDS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:50:00 -
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This is just what i have been saying to ppl.. but ppl wont listen.. as in this thread ppl are saying your all wrong and yadayadayada.. It feels like we are the only sane ppl in a insane world.. its like mass hysteria and no one wont listen to any sane thoughts anymore.. and what ever CCP says get put into this conspiracy hysteria and nothing they say can be trusted anyway.. how are you going to solve this? so everyone.. CALM THE **** DOWN.. and await the CSM / CCP meeting and they might put it in a way even you can understand..
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:29:44 I honestly believe that the rage waves of these past days is completely construed by a mob mentality fueled by irrational minds and a lot of emotional people not really thinking things through properly.
First of all, what is actually present in the game is vanity items. Expensive, yes. But they are vain. As has been said one hundred times before, you can buy them with ISK, or you can buy them with PLEX or Aur, or real money. But you can do the same thing you do with any other item, say a revelation dreadnought: If you find no use for it, you do not buy it.
This is usually the point where someone tells me, "but a revelation is actually useful, I'd rather have that", so what? Go buy a revelation then. If you don't want monocles don't buy them. Is that so hard to get through your skull?
Secondly, there was a leaked document "greed is good" whatever, at this point everybody knows this. What wasn't leaked (omitted) was the fact that THOSE OPINIONS WERE JUST THAT, not the policy of CCP, not reflecting what is necessarily going to happen.
This is usually the point where someone tells me, BUT IT'S THE LEAD DESIGNER! So ****ing what? Everyone just assumes that this means that Soundwave autocratically will just do whatever he wants to do. He will decide the future of the game, because all those other employees at CCP (including his bosses) want that to happen.
*DO YOU NOT SEE HOW COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL YOUR LINE OF THINKING IS? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY?*
What he stated was his opinion, he was asked to speak it. So he did. Now people are calling a Jihad on him because of it? This behaviour is more akin to a witch hunt rather than a bunch of rational duders sitting down and analyzing official statements.
Thirdly the alleged statements from Hillmar where he supposedly confirms everything that everyone are fearing, the end of days.
Without a single rational thought people just a) Buy this as legitimate, because why would it be doctored? It was posted in writing from an anonymous source, OF COURSE IT IS LEGIT! b) Start to construe ideas of how corrupt CCP is because of this document and the evil Soundwave's opinion and spreading them c) Cancel their subscription, without confirmation... without anything anywhere sandbox-breaking entering the game, just like that.
Fourthly the ignorance of CCP to all these claims, particularly concerning MT breaking the sandbox. Guys, officially there are no plans to implement any sandbox-breaking content into EVE. The only reason you think this is because of the opinion written in an internal newsletter with BIG A BIG FAT DISCLAIMER asking people to state their opinion. This is the shred of "evidence" to your rioting, for your jumping to conclusions, for your "Let's protest in Jita".
The reason Zulupark's blog seemed so "out of touch" wasn't because HE necessarily was out of touch, it was because in his mind this kind of behaviour displayed is mind-bafflingly irrational. How can people just take that thing and spin it to such a point where they actually are cancelling subscriptions en-masse? It sounds like a joke to him. But him, Fallout, Manifest and Pann have tried to calm everyone down. They understand why you are upset.
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza Edited by: Jimmy De''Souza on 26/06/2011 04:57:58
Originally by: spikes sekips Please point it out to me then? I must have missed where sec status have been discussed.
Quote: One other service weÆre looking at is selling faction standings. We want to offer convenience for a price. As an example, your friend might give you free tickets to see her band play simply because the two of you are friends; meanwhile, other fans have to pay for a ticket because, well, thatÆs how it normally works. The more noteworthy the band, the more those friendships (and thus the tickets) are worth. If that doesnÆt seem quite an accurate analogy, think of it like this: you can develop a friendship by ôspendingö your time, or you can pay to get the same benefits that friendship would otherwise allow.
Forgive me if I am wrong, but your sec status is the same thing as your standings with concorde right?
Even if not the leap from faction standing to sec status isnt very far. Though that claim should be stopped yes.
Faction standing, let's say you as a new player got told to run missions for Amarr Navy. 1-2 years later you feel like you want to step up and join a corporation. The problem is that said corporation lives in Gallente space. And due to your mission running, Gallente and Minmatar NPC will kill you. And as a lone player there isn't really a way for you to counteract this. Even with that skill trained to 5, you will probably still be below -5 faction standing.
The only way to come back from this is to grind countless lvl 1 missions in low sec. How many solo guys tend to do this? Even worse is if you run missions for pirates in 0.0, have fun not being able to go into ANY empire space, like happened to a friend of mine.
Security status is one thing, you can come back from this pretty easilly and it will not screw you over the same way.
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Comy 1 Faction standing, let's say you as a new player got told to run missions for Amarr Navy. 1-2 years later you feel like you want to step up and join a corporation. The problem is that said corporation lives in Gallente space. And due to your mission running, Gallente and Minmatar NPC will kill you. And as a lone player there isn't really a way for you to counteract this. Even with that skill trained to 5, you will probably still be below -5 faction standing.
The only way to come back from this is to grind countless lvl 1 missions in low sec. How many solo guys tend to do this? Even worse is if you run missions for pirates in 0.0, have fun not being able to go into ANY empire space, like happened to a friend of mine.
Security status is one thing, you can come back from this pretty easilly and it will not screw you over the same way.
I know what faction standing is, I would assume every player who has ever played eve does.
I was told that your faction standing with the concorde faction was one and the same as your sec status. Apparently not however and I dont need anyone describing in detail the system.
Thanks for that however.
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Comy 1 on 27/06/2011 01:39:59
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Originally by: Comy 1 Faction standing, let's say you as a new player got told to run missions for Amarr Navy. 1-2 years later you feel like you want to step up and join a corporation. The problem is that said corporation lives in Gallente space. And due to your mission running, Gallente and Minmatar NPC will kill you. And as a lone player there isn't really a way for you to counteract this. Even with that skill trained to 5, you will probably still be below -5 faction standing.
The only way to come back from this is to grind countless lvl 1 missions in low sec. How many solo guys tend to do this? Even worse is if you run missions for pirates in 0.0, have fun not being able to go into ANY empire space, like happened to a friend of mine.
Security status is one thing, you can come back from this pretty easilly and it will not screw you over the same way.
I know what faction standing is, I would assume every player who has ever played eve does.
I was told that your faction standing with the concorde faction was one and the same as your sec status. Apparently not however and I dont need anyone describing in detail the system.
Thanks for that however.
No, that would be the corporation standing with concord that is your sec status.
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Aessaya
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:44:00 -
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A simple "no" would be suffice right after the document was leaked. None of this would have happened!
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41527
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:00:00 -
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i think theres been plenty of dots presented recently to conclude with a good degree of accuracy where the devs of eve plan to take it. the fact you havn't managed to conect them makes me think your not very bright or in some phase of denial or enjoy adolescent confrontation. either way not taking the time to voice our opinions is tantamount to acceptance. **** that!
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Comy 1 No, that would be the corporation standing with concord that is your sec status.
Hmm, I assumed your standing with the concorde assembly would be the same as your standings with concorde corp.
Anyway, is it possible to have high faction standings but poor standings with a corp within that faction. I thought the 2 effected each other.
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Originally by: Comy 1 No, that would be the corporation standing with concord that is your sec status.
Hmm, I assumed your standing with the concorde assembly would be the same as your standings with concorde corp.
Anyway, is it possible to have high faction standings but poor standings with a corp within that faction. I thought the 2 effected each other.
No they are not related to eachother. As stated the corp standing increase/decrease as sec status do, while the only time I managed to get lowered faction standing with Concord Assembly was when I did the mission "The Blockade" against them in Stain. My log is now empty of any type of increase/decrease since that was like a year ago. And my sec status was totally unaffected by that.
My guess is that the only way the concord faction standing might affect me, is that it might prevent me from entering the Sanctum constellation in Genesis, should it go below -5.
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