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Scerolikk Teromni Atrocious Order	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:49:00 - [31] It doesn't matter whether these protests are based on speculation. The fact is that the speculation is out there and CCP is discussing the possibility of selling game-changing items for Aurum. That is simply not acceptable, and these protests and mass subscription cancellations are to show CCP that we're not going to allow them to ruin our game. If Hilmar comes out and definitively apologizes, explains his email and the newsletter, and promises that the Aurum store will never sell useful items, then I will happily renew my subscription, as I'm sure most of us will. Until then, cancelling subscriptions en masse is the only way to get the point across. -- Quote: Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Jimmy De'Souza	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Technically, it is only speculation of you aren't using all the evidence available to you. Meanwhile the conclusion that it will happen IS based on all the evidence we have at the moment. The problem is the fact we have almost no evidence one way or the other
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:51:00 - [33] Go listen the podcast of the CSM meet on EVE-radio. CCP is changing and it's scary. + 1500 votes on MT in EVE \| NO 79.03% \| YES 5.02% \| COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% \| OTHER 4.73%
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:52:00 - [34] Originally by: daddys helper what a BS answer, are you Zulus alt or something? its like the president going on TV and saying "read my lips, no new taxes" and then ordering his cabinet to think up new taxes. why is he wasting time discussing something he just promised to not do. why can you people not see that, its like some sort of blind-spot in your thought processes Yes of course, someone that disagrees with you is a dev-alt. How can they not just think the way you do? Be angry like you are and do the same thing? How is that even possible? Again, did you notice that there were two different posts there. Or were you just reading Soundwave's post? Two conflicting views both existing at the same time, impossible to both implement at the same time. Could those two be polar opposites (extremes) as a way to illustrate both extremes TO CREATE a discussion amongst employees, rather than say "this is what we're doing"? Because how in the world would they be able to implement both at once, do you think? I work as a teacher and sometimes to create a discussion I present an opinion that is extreme to cause reaction. To make my students think and reflect, react. All with the intention to stimulate a thinking process. This is how I read that newsletter. And yeah, it is completely different from yours. HABIT
nota spyalt	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:53:00 - [35] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting. Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation. If you disagree what Incarna is now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell. If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act. CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't?
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:54:00 - [36] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 26/06/2011 03:54:20 Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: daddys helper what a BS answer, are you Zulus alt or something? its like the president going on TV and saying "read my lips, no new taxes" and then ordering his cabinet to think up new taxes. why is he wasting time discussing something he just promised to not do. why can you people not see that, its like some sort of blind-spot in your thought processes Yes of course, someone that disagrees with you is a dev-alt. How can they not just think the way you do? Be angry like you are and do the same thing? How is that even possible? Again, did you notice that there were two different posts there. Or were you just reading Soundwave's post? Two conflicting views both existing at the same time, impossible to both implement at the same time. Could those two be polar opposites (extremes) as a way to illustrate both extremes TO CREATE a discussion amongst employees, rather than say "this is what we're doing"? Because how in the world would they be able to implement both at once, do you think? I work as a teacher and sometimes to create a discussion I present an opinion that is extreme to cause reaction. To make my students think and reflect, react. All with the intention to stimulate a thinking process. This is how I read that newsletter. And yeah, it is completely different from yours. The big disclaimer that was left out of the leaked document stating that these discussion "Do NOT reflect CCP's policies" might be a clue that you are correct. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Deja Thoris Invicta. Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:54:00 - [37] Thirdly the alleged statements from Hillmar where he supposedly confirms everything that everyone are fearing, the end of days. [5:29:36 PM] Two Step: that isn't gonna help [5:29:43 PM] Two Step: and can you please answer my question? [5:29:51 PM] Two Step: 1) Is CCP planning on selling non-vanity MT [5:30:53 PM] CCP Zulu: CCP plans on evolving its offering of virtual goods based on player demand Slippery slope etc. Also, read this, its quite a lucid account of why people are angry http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html Finally, can you stop whiteknighting? People have a right to express their opinions and your own seem pretty inept to be honest.
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:55:00 - [38] Originally by: Tobiaz Go listen the podcast of the CSM meet on EVE-radio. CCP is changing and it's scary. I listened to it, and I heard a lot of fear and stirred up voices. A lot of emotions running wild. It shows how passionate a lot of people are about this game. But unfortunately emotions usually send people down slippery slopes of wild speculation, resulting in using the reptilian brain of fight or flight rather than using the higher functions of the brain that weighs options more thoroughly. And the funny thing is that some are, like La Mancha fighting invisible monsters, indestructible monsters, whilst others are fleeing in despair from the game. HABIT
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:56:00 - [39] Originally by: nota spyalt Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting. Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation. If you disagree what Incarna is now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell. If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act. CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't? Perhaps because they have wisely decided to ignore the forums cesspool and pay attention to what the rest of the player base is doing with the new content this time around. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Telven Stareal	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:57:00 - [40] I respect your opinion about thos. But I feel I mist disagree about how, CCP is handling the issue. At this point they should be trying to do damage control, not ignoring this until it "settles" down. By that time, there will be even more damage. It is a know fact a person who is happu with their product/services do not talk to that many ppl. We all know this is true, we don't even think about things if they are working welll. Example, few ppl go out of their way to tell everyone how their car got them to work. (i am not talking about when one gets a new car different from what I am getting at.) However, we all tell our family/friends and coworkers if we have a problem with the car on the way to work. This is the same thing. There are a few thosand ****ed off customers out there and it is being noticed by more than just other customers, it is also being noticed by other companies. CCP needs to take action start damage control and stsrt ether giving bs anwers to shut ppl up or truthful answers... Just about any answer would be better than just turning thier backs on it and hoping for the best. does it mean dealing with those folks who are raging. But that is part of the job, because you can't make everyone happy all the time.
Ein Phantom	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:58:00 - [41] Yeah, because I trust the guy who sold out his alliance in AT9
Jimmy De'Souza	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:59:00 - [42] Originally by: Ranger 1 Perhaps because they have wisely decided to ignore the forums cesspool and pay attention to what the rest of the player base is doing with the new content this time around. Yes, because ignoring your playerbase makes good sense. The views of ALL players should be represented and acted upon, not just those who arent critical of CCP.
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation	Posted - 2011.06.26 03:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: nota spyalt Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting. Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation. If you disagree what Incarna is now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell. If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act. CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't? Perhaps because they have wisely decided to ignore the forums cesspool and pay attention to what the rest of the player base is doing with the new content this time around. or perhaps it's because they really just don't give a sh\|t period. They are moving forward with their plan regardless.
Janus Talmash Talmash Imports and Exports Group	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Tobiaz Go listen the podcast of the CSM meet on EVE-radio. CCP is changing and it's scary. I listened to it, and I heard a lot of fear and stirred up voices. A lot of emotions running wild. It shows how passionate a lot of people are about this game. But unfortunately emotions usually send people down slippery slopes of wild speculation, resulting in using the reptilian brain of fight or flight rather than using the higher functions of the brain that weighs options more thoroughly. And the funny thing is that some are, like La Mancha fighting invisible monsters, indestructible monsters, whilst others are fleeing in despair from the game. You seem to know all the facts, better than the CSM who talked with CCP even. Amazing, you must have fantastic powers like that. You're full of ****. ________
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:02:00 - [45] Originally by: Deja Thoris [5:29:36 PM] Two Step: that isn't gonna help [5:29:43 PM] Two Step: and can you please answer my question? [5:29:51 PM] Two Step: 1) Is CCP planning on selling non-vanity MT [5:30:53 PM] CCP Zulu: CCP plans on evolving its offering of virtual goods based on player demand Slippery slope etc. It's funny how different people read things. I read that as: "We are continuing NeX, BUT, we will have items that players demand" as in: it is now obvious that basically NO ONE wants game-changing sandbox-breaking items. Hence that demand will be met. Quote: Also, read this, its quite a lucid account of why people are angry http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html Finally, can you stop whiteknighting? People have a right to express their opinions and your own seem pretty inept to be honest. I've paid a lot of attention to the discussions at hand, and have read the document you linked to before (yesterday). I personally still think that there are a lot of irrational people being irrational, that document having several points I've already addressed. Nowhere have I said that no one are allowed to express their opinions; this is entirely your own construction. Furthermore if my opinions makes ME inept, then so be it. But what makes yours so much less so? Is it because they're yours? HABIT
Kirtur Muhaha Gallente World-Slayer	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:05:00 - [46] Originally by: nota spyalt Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting. Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation. If you disagree what Incarna is now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell. If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act. CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't? Why don't I respond to my kids tantrums when they throw them? because it only encourages a similar response from them in the future... _________________________________________________
nota spyalt	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: nota spyalt Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting. Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation. If you disagree what Incarna is now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell. If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act. CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't? Perhaps because they have wisely decided to ignore the forums cesspool and pay attention to what the rest of the player base is doing with the new content this time around. you mean paying attention to how many monacles have sold? What other content is there? 'omg players stay in their captains quarters for 16.8% longer than they sat at the spinning ship hanger HIGH FIVES EVERYBODY'
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:06:00 - [48] Originally by: Kiwi Miner also remember the screw you e-mail from the ceo plainly saying he does not care what the players think or want his answer is to ignore us. No what he said plainly was: These idiots will emorage a bunch of lies on the forum like they always do. So as always, we will give it no heed. And also like always, it's the numbers that count. Subs will keep going up and the dead wood will leave and a new group of players with a little enthusiasm will fill in for them. So... bittervets gone, new players subbing in = win/win for CCP. I, for one, welcome this change. Mr Epeen
Helena Ashcroft	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:07:00 - [49] OP is right, the unbridaled rage has taken on a mind of it's own. The kind of far-reaching microtransacitons required to "kill," EVE are not only unrealistic from the development point of view: ie. why trash the player-driven economy you tout as being unique to your MMO. But, they are also very remotely based. I fully expect a great deal of clarity forthcoming from CCP in the next week or two, they're probably in shock at just how much liberty of inference has been taken here. Wether or not that PDF painted CCP in a poor light, and I have to agree it was certainly not for consumer eyes, that doesn't make EVE any worse for the wear right now. I see no reason to believe that CCP is simply going to jettison all work on EVE to pursue limitless micro-transaction profits from the NeX store.
Kirtur Muhaha Gallente World-Slayer	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:09:00 - [50] I <3 Mr Epeen... Well struck _________________________________________________
spikes sekips Ore Mongers	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:11:00 - [51] Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha Why don't I respond to my kids tantrums when they throw them? because it only encourages a similar response from them in the future... Please have my spacebabies.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin <snip - jesus this OP is way too long> not sure if you're trolling, but i'll be nice and presume you're not CCP could have ended this at any time since the release of the magazine by solidly announcing that they would stick to vanity-only microtransactions and PLEX, via any one of the half dozen communications methods available to them. Instead, Zulu puts out this weakass devblog that states how everything in fearless is exaggerated for discussion purposes and blah blah blah. It's like when politicians get caught in scandals and they can't answer simple questions clearly without waffling and qualifying every little detail. When the playerbase asks CCP "Are you planning on introducing non-vanity, game-altering microtransactions?", their answer shouldn't be "Well we raised these topics internally to discuss them and...", it should be "No. We aren't, we wouldn't, we would literally never do it." _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like.
Kile Kitmoore	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:16:00 - [53] Son, we live in a world that has pay-walls and those pay-walls need to be attacked by men who speak out. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Sjodin? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for CCP and curse the protesters; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that the CCP protest, while tragic, probably saved the game and that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves EVE. Sorry, inspired by: Loki Vengeance Quote: Everything that has transpired has done so according to CCP's design. Your friends, up there in the forums, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was CCP who allowed the rebels to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of CCP's best moderators awaits them. Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive. Linkage
Telven Stareal	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:18:00 - [54] Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha Originally by: nota spyalt Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting. Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation. If you disagree what Incarna is now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell. If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act. CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't? Why don't I respond to my kids tantrums when they throw them? because it only encourages a similar response from them in the future... I agree, you shouldnÆt ôrespondö to your kids tantrums. You should address them and explain why they are wrong to have them. This is called communication and is vital in both the home environment and business. CCP should be addressing the issue, and questions. Not ignoring them.
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:20:00 - [55] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate When the playerbase asks CCP "Are you planning on introducing non-vanity, game-altering microtransactions?", their answer shouldn't be "Well we raised these topics internally to discuss them and...", it should be "No. We aren't, we wouldn't, we would literally never do it." Personally I think they're bad in general at dealing with things like these. I've seen it happen before, but I've not seen them DO things to this game that takes a step in the total opposite direction. I think there is a consistency to them that, while sometimes not appreciated by all (walking in stations) has a goal to make space seem bigger, at all levels, and add more choices into the mix. It goes back to when t20 did what he did, CCP was thoroughly bad at dealing with that crisis too, but in my opinion they did the right thing. Their actions were right, while their ability to communicate with the community wasn't. I think it is the weakest link of CCP, because it allows for speculation and emotional outbursts. I grant you that, and agree with you up to that point. I still have faith in CCP to not do what people are speculating and fearing though. And will continue to do so until I have been proved wrong. Which I haven't been yet. HABIT
Jimmy De'Souza	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:20:00 - [56] Originally by: Telven Stareal I agree, you shouldnÆt ôrespondö to your kids tantrums. You should address them and explain why they are wrong to have them. This is called communication and is vital in both the home environment and business. CCP should be addressing the issue, and questions. Not ignoring them. I would imagine Kirtur is one of those parents that sees the tantrums decreasing but other negative behaviour increasing in response as a success.
Telven Stareal	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:22:00 - [57] Edited by: Telven Stareal on 26/06/2011 04:22:54 Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza Originally by: Telven Stareal I agree, you shouldnÆt ôrespondö to your kids tantrums. You should address them and explain why they are wrong to have them. This is called communication and is vital in both the home environment and business. CCP should be addressing the issue, and questions. Not ignoring them. I would imagine Kirtur is one of those parents that sees the tantrums decreasing but other negative behaviour increasing in response as a success. My comment was in no way meant to be an attact on that person's paranting skills. Only pointing out that we need to keep lines of communication open.
Kirtur Muhaha Gallente World-Slayer	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:23:00 - [58] Edited by: Kirtur Muhaha on 26/06/2011 04:23:33 Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza Originally by: Telven Stareal I agree, you shouldnÆt ôrespondö to your kids tantrums. You should address them and explain why they are wrong to have them. This is called communication and is vital in both the home environment and business. CCP should be addressing the issue, and questions. Not ignoring them. I would imagine Kirtur is one of those parents that sees the tantrums decreasing but other negative behaviour increasing in response as a success. Wait, are you speculating on the assumption that I posted that analogy that I have kids? _________________________________________________
Helena Ashcroft	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:24:00 - [59] Quote: Everything that has transpired has done so according to CCP's design. Your friends, up there in the forums, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was CCP who allowed the rebels to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of CCP's best moderators awaits them. Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive. Gotta admit, I laughed really hard at that. However, it's a little silly to be comparing Hilmar's "hang on tight, we know it's going to get rough," sentiments with villany. I'm sure they assumed the worst when the initial AURUM protesting was theorized in-house. How that translated to others as evil laughter and plans of economy-wrecking dominion I really don't know. It would be poor form for ANY company to flatly state they will ~NEVER~ do something, but we're likely to see another "we have no plans," in the near future.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.26 04:26:00 - [60] Try that for a spin: Essentially it's the leaked mail from ccp hilmar that states: Quote: ..We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.. If you then read ccp zulus devblog: Quote: ..The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand. .. What now? Are they intentions communicated to your grunts or are they just opinions and views? One of them is lying right in your face there. And if you then read the newsletter and especially the part about Eve Online and how they want to introduce Ships+Ammo+Faction Standing for Cash.. or how they removed the client side unlimited fittings, just to reintroduce them on server side with a limit and will sell you more for Cash.. That's just plain wrong. And to top this all off, the attitude and tone all of this was written in. It's disgusting. What wrong is with Eve / CCP (by Tippia)

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Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?