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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:29:44
I honestly believe that the rage waves of these past days is completely construed by a mob mentality fueled by irrational minds and a lot of emotional people not really thinking things through properly.
First of all, what is actually present in the game is vanity items. Expensive, yes. But they are vain. As has been said one hundred times before, you can buy them with ISK, or you can buy them with PLEX or Aur, or real money. But you can do the same thing you do with any other item, say a revelation dreadnought: If you find no use for it, you do not buy it.
This is usually the point where someone tells me, "but a revelation is actually useful, I'd rather have that", so what? Go buy a revelation then. If you don't want monocles don't buy them. Is that so hard to get through your skull?
Secondly, there was a leaked document "greed is good" whatever, at this point everybody knows this. What wasn't leaked (omitted) was the fact that THOSE OPINIONS WERE JUST THAT, not the policy of CCP, not reflecting what is necessarily going to happen.
This is usually the point where someone tells me, BUT IT'S THE LEAD DESIGNER! So ****ing what? Everyone just assumes that this means that Soundwave autocratically will just do whatever he wants to do. He will decide the future of the game, because all those other employees at CCP (including his bosses) want that to happen.
*DO YOU NOT SEE HOW COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL YOUR LINE OF THINKING IS? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY?*
What he stated was his opinion, he was asked to speak it. So he did. Now people are calling a Jihad on him because of it? This behaviour is more akin to a witch hunt rather than a bunch of rational duders sitting down and analyzing official statements.
Thirdly the alleged statements from Hillmar where he supposedly confirms everything that everyone are fearing, the end of days.
Without a single rational thought people just a) Buy this as legitimate, because why would it be doctored? It was posted in writing from an anonymous source, OF COURSE IT IS LEGIT! b) Start to construe ideas of how corrupt CCP is because of this document and the evil Soundwave's opinion and spreading them c) Cancel their subscription, without confirmation... without anything anywhere sandbox-breaking entering the game, just like that.
Fourthly the ignorance of CCP to all these claims, particularly concerning MT breaking the sandbox. Guys, officially there are no plans to implement any sandbox-breaking content into EVE. The only reason you think this is because of the opinion written in an internal newsletter with BIG A BIG FAT DISCLAIMER asking people to state their opinion. This is the shred of "evidence" to your rioting, for your jumping to conclusions, for your "Let's protest in Jita".
The reason Zulupark's blog seemed so "out of touch" wasn't because HE necessarily was out of touch, it was because in his mind this kind of behaviour displayed is mind-bafflingly irrational. How can people just take that thing and spin it to such a point where they actually are cancelling subscriptions en-masse? It sounds like a joke to him. But him, Fallout, Manifest and Pann have tried to calm everyone down. They understand why you are upset.
So why aren't the bosses at EVE talking to you?
My best guess? They want things to settle down a bit. They think (like I do) that this is mostly a riot, mostly grounded in emotion that wants to get it's anger out. Speaking to a person when he's angry is tiresome. Emotional people tend to be completely irrational, refusing to see blatant evidence in front of them. A mob of irrational people even moreso.
My best guess is that CCP will talk to the CSM again, that they will issue another official statement. And that that statement will contain: "Dudes, we're doing vanity items only", and hopefully this mob will have time to reflect on their behavior and HOPEFULLY come to the conclusion that it perhaps wasn't all that thought out.[
HABIT
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Jason Marshall
Gallente
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:23:00 -
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150,000th post
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ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:26:00 -
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to the OP
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Jason Marshall
150,000th post
& nobody really cares what you think OP.
tl;dr i got to Quote:
mob mentality
& realised you are mad because the game sucks & some people won't put up with it & are leaving.
Do what CCP is doing, just ignore us, we'll all be gone in a few more weeks/months.
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:28:54
This is all just a fun pasttime for you guys, right? You're just here to troll the forums, post images of ponies and have a 4chan day? Right?
This part of the community is a joke.
San Severina: The last part of my post (that you clearly did not read) was especially written for you.
HABIT
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daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:29:00 -
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so why were they discussing something that they promised would never come to eve?
that doesn't sound like a good use of developer time to think up things you would never actually do.
unless....
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:29:00 -
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He will decide the future of the game, because all those other employees at CCP (including his bosses) want that to happen.
No, that isnt the logic most people apply. The logic most apply is;
CCP employees like having jobs.
CCP is hilariously cliquey, and dominated by the higher ups. Insubordination and difference of opinion is not greeted well, whilst keeping in line, doing what your told and sucking up is rewarded. (Look at the glass door articles (I think it was the glass door articles anyway))
Ergo, if the higher echelons want it, it is likely to happen.
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Sleven Saken
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:30:00 -
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welcome to being classed as a Devalt also seeing as how any one who helps CCP is now a devalt apparently
sidenote still waiting for RL wallet blinky
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spikes sekips
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:32:00 -
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Because Evenews24 always brings out the truth!
:ohwait:
bashing people for writing constructive posts makes me wonder if this game is worth keeping alive at all
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: daddys helper
so why were they discussing something that they promised would never come to eve?
that doesn't sound like a good use of developer time to think up things you would never actually do.
unless....
Why do people ask for opinions on a subject? I don't know. Because they want to hear what people think. Is there a statement in the question where they say "Soundwave, remember that if your opinion is something like <this> or <this>, shut up because we promised!"
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
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He will decide the future of the game, because all those other employees at CCP (including his bosses) want that to happen.
No, that isnt the logic most people apply. The logic most apply is;
CCP employees like having jobs.
CCP is hilariously cliquey, and dominated by the higher ups. Insubordination and difference of opinion is not greeted well, whilst keeping in line, doing what your told and sucking up is rewarded. (Look at the glass door articles (I think it was the glass door articles anyway))
Ergo, if the higher echelons want it, it is likely to happen.
Again, in spite of your usage of latin. All of this is pure speculation. NOTHING in-game, NOTHING official has been stated on this, and you are acting as if there are already game-changing imbalanced items flying around in space.
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:37:00 -
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The OP is correct.
All whiners should attempt to merge their head with a brick wall.
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
The OP is correct.
All whiners should attempt to merge their head with a brick wall.
That's not really it either. I'm just hoping that people calm down a bit and hopefully widen their current tunnelvision of anger.
HABIT
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:39:00 -
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If I posted the 4chan my little pony pics I want to I'd be banned (again)
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Sleven Saken
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:39:00 -
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you can hope in one hand and spit in the other and see what fills up faster people in a mobmentality will not think what so ever
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Janus Talmash
Talmash Imports and Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Janus Talmash on 26/06/2011 03:39:56
OP got it partially right, but the last bit he's too optimistic and naive. CCP clearly has shown that they will do what they want/have to, regardless of what that means for the people who are against it. The only reason for CCP to "talk" will be damage control but it will change nothing.
CCP has to implement pay2win because they need the money, due to the WOD/DUST ****up combined with today's economy. Hilmar isn't "evil", he's doing what he must do to increase revenue and he believes (or at least the people who "control" him believe) that Pay2win is a viable way of doing so. Thing is that investors and banks think short term; they want their money back and then GTFO and they don't care about what happens next so they're pressuring for this.
The ONLY way to not have pay2win (Diagoras gave a very clear explanation on the difference between plex and pay2win in that Fearless leaflet, I suggest you read it) is to convince Hilmar/banks/investors that it's a stupid idea, even short term, and the single way to do this is to drop your subscription. Nothing else talks but short term revenue.
If we can't pull that off we'll have gold ammo, shortly after we'll buy faction towers and items through the mall, increased stats and god knows what else. Once Pandora's box is opened you can't go back, it'll only get worse. As CCP is trying to weather the storm so must we; drop subscriptions, SHOW that their intended course costs them more than it gains, even short term. The only way to "save" our game, and CCP in the process.
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Fern Dolakar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Fern Dolakar on 26/06/2011 03:40:12
Allegedly wrote the email?
OK seeing as how Navigator locked the original thread for "leaking official CCP documents"
I am going to have to say "wake the **** up"
How can you say its "allegedly" real but certainly doctored?
That is more or less totally backwards when faced with the logic of the situation.
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nota spyalt
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
The OP is correct.
All whiners should attempt to merge their head with a brick wall.
That's not really it either. I'm just hoping that people calm down a bit and hopefully widen their current tunnelvision of anger.
I suppose CCP could always just come out and say 'hey guys don't worry that was just internal speculation, we're not going that route' instead of 'yeah it was real' and then having no response for 96 hours. Why would people jump to such conclusions?
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
NOTHING in-game, NOTHING official has been stated on this, and you are acting as if there are already game-changing imbalanced items flying around in space.
Well by that logic, getting out of the way of a speeding car is unneccasary. (a stretch of course but the same logic applies)
We have NO evidence that it wont happen, and a worrying amount of evidence that it will. Complaining about people coming to the conclusion that it will happen is nonsensical in the extreme.
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:42:00 -
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Quotes from the email have been taken out of context. If I were to summarise the email, it'd be:
"The community's response was predictable. We won't act rashly and quickly. Sometimes it's best to ignore a vocal minority. We will continue what we're doing, taking in feedback."
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Kiwi Miner
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:43:00 -
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also remember the screw you e-mail from the ceo plainly saying he does not care what the players think or want his answer is to ignore us.
I wonder if Hilmar Petursson remembers his quote
ôThe evolution of EVE Online continues in large part because of the feedback we receive from subscribers |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
This is usually the point where someone tells me, "but a revelation is actually useful, I'd rather have that", so what? Go buy a revelation then. If you don't want monocles don't buy them. Is that so hard to get through your skull?
Monocles today, +2% revelation with better lenses tomorrow.
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Secondly, there was a leaked document "greed is good" whatever, at this point everybody knows this. What wasn't leaked (omitted) was the fact that THOSE OPINIONS WERE JUST THAT, not the policy of CCP, not reflecting what is necessarily going to happen.
The discussion wouldn't be in the newsletter if the company wasn't actually talking about that stuff internally. Hilmar is off to some Virtual Goods gaming conference this year. The leaked email talks about the predictable backlash of their actions. CCP refuses to answer the CSM's questions about, "does CCP have any plans to introduce concierge or vanity items to the NeX?"
What they aren't saying is speaking volumes.
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My best guess is that CCP will talk to the CSM again, that they will issue another official statement. And that that statement will contain: "Dudes, we're doing vanity items only"
And where will your argument be when they announce the power items and concierge items in the NeX?
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:44:00 -
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CCP is guilty of shoddy, crap work that ruins the concept of immersion and takes the game backward, not forward.
Incarna avatars that hardly look like the portrait screens, dark captain's quarters (wtf?), ships in hangars that get smaller as you approach them (what happened to scale??), and turret icons that are indistinguishable from each other and look like lumps of coal.
More time to load the station environment, opening screen is my avatar's back (??), and the whole simulation taking up huge memory and CPU resources.
Worst of all, this is all jammed down players' throats despite dire warnings of a hardly complete and polished expansion.
In the four years I've been playing I have never seen so many players so disgusted with such amateurish and incomplete work. That doesn't even touch the microtransactions or stupid prices for vanity items.
The only irrational mind I see is the OP's, who is blind to what is obviously the worst expansion and development decision making in the history of Eve.
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Daemonio
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: nota spyalt
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
The OP is correct.
All whiners should attempt to merge their head with a brick wall.
That's not really it either. I'm just hoping that people calm down a bit and hopefully widen their current tunnelvision of anger.
I suppose CCP could always just come out and say 'hey guys don't worry that was just internal speculation, we're not going that route' instead of 'yeah it was real' and then having no response for 96 hours. Why would people jump to such conclusions?
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Fearless
Fearless is one of our company values. Itæs also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.
Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. Itæs worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.
While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Quotes from the email have been taken out of context. If I were to summarise the email, it'd be:
"The community's response was predictable. We won't act rashly and quickly. Sometimes it's best to ignore a vocal minority. We will continue what we're doing, taking in feedback."
spindoctor spin spin spin
bah. they created this mess with their ego and their refusal to listen and their stupid WoD WiS Ambulatory dress-up space-barbie ram-down-your-throat-with-MOAR-MONOCLE-LEWINSKI bull****.
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daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: daddys helper
so why were they discussing something that they promised would never come to eve?
that doesn't sound like a good use of developer time to think up things you would never actually do.
unless....
Why do people ask for opinions on a subject? I don't know. Because they want to hear what people think. Is there a statement in the question where they say "Soundwave, remember that if your opinion is something like <this> or <this>, shut up because we promised!"
what a BS answer, are you Zulus alt or something?
its like the president going on TV and saying "read my lips, no new taxes" and then ordering his cabinet to think up new taxes.
why is he wasting time discussing something he just promised to not do.
why can you people not see that, its like some sort of blind-spot in your thought processes
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:46:00 -
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Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting.
Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation.
If you disagree what Incarna *is* now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell.
If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act.
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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
The 8th Order
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:46:00 -
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If you watched AT9 and bothered to listen to the dialogue occurring between matches you could see the pandering for this " vision " heating up very fast. Personally I called it as a con and it sounding just like most BS Newspeak. Flash forward a bit and guess who was pushing cons again, this time in game.
it's better to get a message across early when you are being eyed like a beast fit for burden.
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jimmy De''Souza on 26/06/2011 03:47:00
Originally by: Daemonio
I suppose CCP could always just come out and say 'hey guys don't worry that was just internal speculation, we're not going that route' instead of 'yeah it was real' and then having no response for 96 hours.
=/=
Quote:
Fearless
Fearless is one of our company values. Itæs also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.
Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. Itæs worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.
While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
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Originally by: Daemonio
I suppose CCP could always just come out and say 'hey guys don't worry that was just internal speculation.
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Cataca
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Stuff
You do realize, that you are doing EXACTLY the same thing, but with the opposite oppinion?
You base everything in this post on pure speculation. If you define it as a bad thing for us, then it is a bad thing for you as well.
So.. take a hike?
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: daddys helper
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: daddys helper
so why were they discussing something that they promised would never come to eve?
that doesn't sound like a good use of developer time to think up things you would never actually do.
unless....
Why do people ask for opinions on a subject? I don't know. Because they want to hear what people think. Is there a statement in the question where they say "Soundwave, remember that if your opinion is something like <this> or <this>, shut up because we promised!"
what a BS answer, are you Zulus alt or something?
its like the president going on TV and saying "read my lips, no new taxes" and then ordering his cabinet to think up new taxes.
why is he wasting time discussing something he just promised to not do.
why can you people not see that, its like some sort of blind-spot in your thought processes
some people are just stupid. That's o.k. -- the new eve will cater to them, and shall be their home.
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Scerolikk Teromni
Atrocious Order
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:49:00 -
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It doesn't matter whether these protests are based on speculation. The fact is that the speculation is out there and CCP is discussing the possibility of selling game-changing items for Aurum. That is simply not acceptable, and these protests and mass subscription cancellations are to show CCP that we're not going to allow them to ruin our game. If Hilmar comes out and definitively apologizes, explains his email and the newsletter, and promises that the Aurum store will never sell useful items, then I will happily renew my subscription, as I'm sure most of us will. Until then, cancelling subscriptions en masse is the only way to get the point across.
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Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear.
Technically, it is only speculation of you aren't using all the evidence available to you. Meanwhile the conclusion that it will happen IS based on all the evidence we have at the moment. The problem is the fact we have almost no evidence one way or the other
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:51:00 -
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Go listen the podcast of the CSM meet on EVE-radio. CCP is changing and it's scary.
+ 1500 votes on MT in EVE | NO 79.03% | YES 5.02% | COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% | OTHER 4.73% |
Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: daddys helper
what a BS answer, are you Zulus alt or something?
its like the president going on TV and saying "read my lips, no new taxes" and then ordering his cabinet to think up new taxes.
why is he wasting time discussing something he just promised to not do.
why can you people not see that, its like some sort of blind-spot in your thought processes
Yes of course, someone that disagrees with you is a dev-alt. How can they not just think the way you do? Be angry like you are and do the same thing? How is that even possible?
Again, did you notice that there were two different posts there. Or were you just reading Soundwave's post? Two conflicting views both existing at the same time, impossible to both implement at the same time. Could those two be polar opposites (extremes) as a way to illustrate both extremes TO CREATE a discussion amongst employees, rather than say "this is what we're doing"? Because how in the world would they be able to implement both at once, do you think?
I work as a teacher and sometimes to create a discussion I present an opinion that is extreme to cause reaction. To make my students think and reflect, react. All with the intention to stimulate a thinking process. This is how *I* read that newsletter. And yeah, it is completely different from yours.
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nota spyalt
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting.
Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation.
If you disagree what Incarna *is* now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell.
If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act.
CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't?
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 26/06/2011 03:54:20
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: daddys helper
what a BS answer, are you Zulus alt or something?
its like the president going on TV and saying "read my lips, no new taxes" and then ordering his cabinet to think up new taxes.
why is he wasting time discussing something he just promised to not do.
why can you people not see that, its like some sort of blind-spot in your thought processes
Yes of course, someone that disagrees with you is a dev-alt. How can they not just think the way you do? Be angry like you are and do the same thing? How is that even possible?
Again, did you notice that there were two different posts there. Or were you just reading Soundwave's post? Two conflicting views both existing at the same time, impossible to both implement at the same time. Could those two be polar opposites (extremes) as a way to illustrate both extremes TO CREATE a discussion amongst employees, rather than say "this is what we're doing"? Because how in the world would they be able to implement both at once, do you think?
I work as a teacher and sometimes to create a discussion I present an opinion that is extreme to cause reaction. To make my students think and reflect, react. All with the intention to stimulate a thinking process. This is how *I* read that newsletter. And yeah, it is completely different from yours.
The big disclaimer that was left out of the leaked document stating that these discussion "Do NOT reflect CCP's policies" might be a clue that you are correct.
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The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Deja Thoris
Invicta.
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:54:00 -
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Thirdly the alleged statements from Hillmar where he supposedly confirms everything that everyone are fearing, the end of days.
[5:29:36 PM] Two Step: that isn't gonna help
[5:29:43 PM] Two Step: and can you please answer my question?
[5:29:51 PM] Two Step: 1) Is CCP planning on selling non-vanity MT
[5:30:53 PM] CCP Zulu: CCP plans on evolving its offering of virtual goods based on player demand
Slippery slope etc.
Also, read this, its quite a lucid account of why people are angry http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
Finally, can you stop whiteknighting? People have a right to express their opinions and your own seem pretty inept to be honest.
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:55:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Tobiaz
Go listen the podcast of the CSM meet on EVE-radio. CCP is changing and it's scary.
I listened to it, and I heard a lot of fear and stirred up voices. A lot of emotions running wild. It shows how passionate a lot of people are about this game. But unfortunately emotions usually send people down slippery slopes of wild speculation, resulting in using the reptilian brain of fight or flight rather than using the higher functions of the brain that weighs options more thoroughly.
And the funny thing is that some are, like La Mancha fighting invisible monsters, indestructible monsters, whilst others are fleeing in despair from the game.
HABIT
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:56:00 -
[39]
Originally by: nota spyalt
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting.
Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation.
If you disagree what Incarna *is* now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell.
If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act.
CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't?
Perhaps because they have wisely decided to ignore the forums cesspool and pay attention to what the rest of the player base is doing with the new content this time around.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:57:00 -
[40]
I respect your opinion about thos. But I feel I mist disagree about how, CCP is handling the issue. At this point they should be trying to do damage control, not ignoring this until it "settles" down. By that time, there will be even more damage. It is a know fact a person who is happu with their product/services do not talk to that many ppl. We all know this is true, we don't even think about things if they are working welll. Example, few ppl go out of their way to tell everyone how their car got them to work. (i am not talking about when one gets a new car different from what I am getting at.) However, we all tell our family/friends and coworkers if we have a problem with the car on the way to work.
This is the same thing. There are a few thosand ****ed off customers out there and it is being noticed by more than just other customers, it is also being noticed by other companies. CCP needs to take action start damage control and stsrt ether giving bs anwers to shut ppl up or truthful answers... Just about any answer would be better than just turning thier backs on it and hoping for the best. does it mean dealing with those folks who are raging. But that is part of the job, because you can't make everyone happy all the time.
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Ein Phantom
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:58:00 -
[41]
Yeah, because I trust the guy who sold out his alliance in AT9 
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:59:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Perhaps because they have wisely decided to ignore the forums cesspool and pay attention to what the rest of the player base is doing with the new content this time around.
Yes, because ignoring your playerbase makes good sense.
The views of ALL players should be represented and acted upon, not just those who arent critical of CCP.
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:59:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: nota spyalt
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting.
Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation.
If you disagree what Incarna *is* now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell.
If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act.
CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't?
Perhaps because they have wisely decided to ignore the forums cesspool and pay attention to what the rest of the player base is doing with the new content this time around.
or perhaps it's because they really just don't give a sh|t period. They are moving forward with their plan regardless.
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Janus Talmash
Talmash Imports and Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:00:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Tobiaz
Go listen the podcast of the CSM meet on EVE-radio. CCP is changing and it's scary.
I listened to it, and I heard a lot of fear and stirred up voices. A lot of emotions running wild. It shows how passionate a lot of people are about this game. But unfortunately emotions usually send people down slippery slopes of wild speculation, resulting in using the reptilian brain of fight or flight rather than using the higher functions of the brain that weighs options more thoroughly.
And the funny thing is that some are, like La Mancha fighting invisible monsters, indestructible monsters, whilst others are fleeing in despair from the game.
You seem to know all the facts, better than the CSM who talked with CCP even. Amazing, you must have fantastic powers like that. You're full of ****.
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:02:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Deja Thoris
[5:29:36 PM] Two Step: that isn't gonna help
[5:29:43 PM] Two Step: and can you please answer my question?
[5:29:51 PM] Two Step: 1) Is CCP planning on selling non-vanity MT
[5:30:53 PM] CCP Zulu: CCP plans on evolving its offering of virtual goods based on player demand
Slippery slope etc.
It's funny how different people read things. I read that as: "We are continuing NeX, BUT, we will have items that players demand" as in: it is now obvious that basically NO ONE wants game-changing sandbox-breaking items. Hence that demand will be met.
Quote:
Also, read this, its quite a lucid account of why people are angry http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
Finally, can you stop whiteknighting? People have a right to express their opinions and your own seem pretty inept to be honest.
I've paid a lot of attention to the discussions at hand, and have read the document you linked to before (yesterday). I personally still think that there are a lot of irrational people being irrational, that document having several points I've already addressed. Nowhere have I said that no one are allowed to express their opinions; this is entirely your own construction. Furthermore if my opinions makes ME inept, then so be it. But what makes yours so much less so? Is it because they're yours?
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Kirtur Muhaha
Gallente
World-Slayer
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:05:00 -
[46]
Originally by: nota spyalt
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting.
Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation.
If you disagree what Incarna *is* now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell.
If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act.
CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't?
Why don't I respond to my kids tantrums when they throw them? because it only encourages a similar response from them in the future...
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:05:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: nota spyalt
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting.
Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation.
If you disagree what Incarna *is* now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell.
If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act.
CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't?
Perhaps because they have wisely decided to ignore the forums cesspool and pay attention to what the rest of the player base is doing with the new content this time around.
you mean paying attention to how many monacles have sold? What other content is there? 'omg players stay in their captains quarters for 16.8% longer than they sat at the spinning ship hanger HIGH FIVES EVERYBODY'
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:06:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Kiwi Miner
also remember the screw you e-mail from the ceo plainly saying he does not care what the players think or want his answer is to ignore us.
No what he said plainly was:
These idiots will emorage a bunch of lies on the forum like they always do. So as always, we will give it no heed. And also like always, it's the numbers that count.
Subs will keep going up and the dead wood will leave and a new group of players with a little enthusiasm will fill in for them.
So... bittervets gone, new players subbing in = win/win for CCP.
I, for one, welcome this change.
Mr Epeen 
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Helena Ashcroft
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:07:00 -
[49]
OP is right, the unbridaled rage has taken on a mind of it's own. The kind of far-reaching microtransacitons required to "kill," EVE are not only unrealistic from the development point of view: ie. why trash the player-driven economy you tout as being unique to your MMO. But, they are also very remotely based. I fully expect a great deal of clarity forthcoming from CCP in the next week or two, they're probably in shock at just how much liberty of inference has been taken here.
Wether or not that PDF painted CCP in a poor light, and I have to agree it was certainly not for consumer eyes, that doesn't make EVE any worse for the wear right now. I see no reason to believe that CCP is simply going to jettison all work on EVE to pursue limitless micro-transaction profits from the NeX store.
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Kirtur Muhaha
Gallente
World-Slayer
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:09:00 -
[50]
I <3 Mr Epeen... Well struck
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spikes sekips
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:11:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha
Why don't I respond to my kids tantrums when they throw them? because it only encourages a similar response from them in the future...
Please have my spacebabies.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:11:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
<snip - jesus this OP is way too long>
not sure if you're trolling, but i'll be nice and presume you're not
CCP could have ended this at any time since the release of the magazine by solidly announcing that they would stick to vanity-only microtransactions and PLEX, via any one of the half dozen communications methods available to them. Instead, Zulu puts out this weakass devblog that states how everything in fearless is exaggerated for discussion purposes and blah blah blah. It's like when politicians get caught in scandals and they can't answer simple questions clearly without waffling and qualifying every little detail.
When the playerbase asks CCP "Are you planning on introducing non-vanity, game-altering microtransactions?", their answer shouldn't be "Well we raised these topics internally to discuss them and...", it should be "No. We aren't, we wouldn't, we would literally never do it."
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Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:16:00 -
[53]
Son, we live in a world that has pay-walls and those pay-walls need to be attacked by men who speak out. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Sjodin? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for CCP and curse the protesters; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that the CCP protest, while tragic, probably saved the game and that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves EVE.
Sorry, inspired by:
Loki Vengeance
Quote:
Everything that has transpired has done so according to CCP's design. Your friends, up there in the forums, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was *CCP* who allowed the rebels to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of CCP's best moderators awaits them. Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.
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Telven Stareal
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:18:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha
Originally by: nota spyalt
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting.
Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation.
If you disagree what Incarna *is* now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell.
If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act.
CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't?
Why don't I respond to my kids tantrums when they throw them? because it only encourages a similar response from them in the future...
I agree, you shouldnÆt ôrespondö to your kids tantrums. You should address them and explain why they are wrong to have them. This is called communication and is vital in both the home environment and business. CCP should be addressing the issue, and questions. Not ignoring them.
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:20:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
When the playerbase asks CCP "Are you planning on introducing non-vanity, game-altering microtransactions?", their answer shouldn't be "Well we raised these topics internally to discuss them and...", it should be "No. We aren't, we wouldn't, we would literally never do it."
Personally I think they're bad in general at dealing with things like these. I've seen it happen before, but I've not seen them DO things to this game that takes a step in the total opposite direction. I think there is a consistency to them that, while sometimes not appreciated by all (walking in stations) has a goal to make space seem bigger, at all levels, and add more choices into the mix.
It goes back to when t20 did what he did, CCP was thoroughly bad at dealing with that crisis too, but in my opinion they did the right thing. Their actions were right, while their ability to communicate with the community wasn't. I think it is the weakest link of CCP, because it allows for speculation and emotional outbursts. I grant you that, and agree with you up to that point.
I still have faith in CCP to not do what people are speculating and fearing though. And will continue to do so until I have been proved wrong. Which I haven't been yet.
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:20:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Telven Stareal
I agree, you shouldnÆt ôrespondö to your kids tantrums. You should address them and explain why they are wrong to have them. This is called communication and is vital in both the home environment and business. CCP should be addressing the issue, and questions. Not ignoring them.
I would imagine Kirtur is one of those parents that sees the tantrums decreasing but other negative behaviour increasing in response as a success.
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Telven Stareal
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:22:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Telven Stareal on 26/06/2011 04:22:54
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Originally by: Telven Stareal
I agree, you shouldnÆt ôrespondö to your kids tantrums. You should address them and explain why they are wrong to have them. This is called communication and is vital in both the home environment and business. CCP should be addressing the issue, and questions. Not ignoring them.
I would imagine Kirtur is one of those parents that sees the tantrums decreasing but other negative behaviour increasing in response as a success.
My comment was in no way meant to be an attact on that person's paranting skills. Only pointing out that we need to keep lines of communication open.
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Kirtur Muhaha
Gallente
World-Slayer
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:23:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Kirtur Muhaha on 26/06/2011 04:23:33
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Originally by: Telven Stareal
I agree, you shouldnÆt ôrespondö to your kids tantrums. You should address them and explain why they are wrong to have them. This is called communication and is vital in both the home environment and business. CCP should be addressing the issue, and questions. Not ignoring them.
I would imagine Kirtur is one of those parents that sees the tantrums decreasing but other negative behaviour increasing in response as a success.
Wait, are you speculating on the assumption that I posted that analogy that I have kids?
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:24:00 -
[59]
Quote:
Everything that has transpired has done so according to CCP's design. Your friends, up there in the forums, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was *CCP* who allowed the rebels to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of CCP's best moderators awaits them. Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.
Gotta admit, I laughed really hard at that.
However, it's a little silly to be comparing Hilmar's "hang on tight, we know it's going to get rough," sentiments with villany. I'm sure they assumed the worst when the initial AURUM protesting was theorized in-house. How that translated to others as evil laughter and plans of economy-wrecking dominion I really don't know.
It would be poor form for ANY company to flatly state they will ~NEVER~ do something, but we're likely to see another "we have no plans," in the near future.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:26:00 -
[60]
Try that for a spin:
Essentially it's the leaked mail from ccp hilmar that states:
Quote:
..We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone..
If you then read ccp zulus devblog:
Quote:
..The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand. ..
What now?
Are they intentions communicated to your grunts or are they just opinions and views?
One of them is lying right in your face there.
And if you then read the newsletter and especially the part about Eve Online and how they want to introduce Ships+Ammo+Faction Standing for Cash.. or how they removed the client side unlimited fittings, just to reintroduce them on server side with a limit and will sell you more for Cash..
That's just plain wrong.
And to top this all off, the attitude and tone all of this was written in. It's disgusting.
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:29:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha
Wait, are you speculating on the assumption that I posted that analogy that I have kids?
Your sentence is somewhat misformed. Anyway there is no assumption you have kids, you stated you did.
Quote:
Why don't I respond to my kids tantrums when they throw them? because it only encourages a similar response from them in the future.
Unless I have missed the point of the top quote...
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Kirtur Muhaha
Gallente
World-Slayer
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:34:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha
Wait, are you speculating on the assumption that I posted that analogy that I have kids?
Your sentence is somewhat misformed. Anyway there is no assumption you have kids, you stated you did.
Quote:
Why don't I respond to my kids tantrums when they throw them? because it only encourages a similar response from them in the future.
Unless I have missed the point of the top quote...
My attempt to poke a little fun at the speculations of the past few days failed, I will leave now... Farewell o7 (btw, 3 kids... My pride and joy)
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Kenny Sin
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:35:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:28:54
This is all just a fun pasttime for you guys, right? You're just here to troll the forums, post images of ponies and have a 4chan day? Right?
This part of the community is a joke.
San Severina: The last part of my post (that you clearly did not read) was especially written for you.
 no, YOU'RE A JOKE MAN!!!! i was having a 4chan day, eating doritos and tapping my sack, until you came along with your huge e peen and taught everyone a valuable lesson.
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Kenny Sin
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:39:00 -
[64]
also,
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Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:39:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Kenny Sin
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:28:54
This is all just a fun pasttime for you guys, right? You're just here to troll the forums, post images of ponies and have a 4chan day? Right?
This part of the community is a joke.
San Severina: The last part of my post (that you clearly did not read) was especially written for you.
no, YOU'RE A JOKE MAN!!!! i was having a 4chan day, eating doritos and tapping my sack, until you came along with your huge e peen and taught everyone a valuable lesson.
Thanks, I think I hurt something laughing so hard.
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SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:40:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:28:54
This is all just a fun pasttime for you guys, right? You're just here to troll the forums, post images of ponies and have a 4chan day? Right?
This part of the community is a joke.
San Severina: The last part of my post (that you clearly did not read) was especially written for you.
first of all...Habit let you in? wow...
secondly, you are a continual and vehement defender of CCP and everything they do. Which is fine, no one gets mad at you for it. But when a large number of people feel the need to revolt or express how they feel about a change that they feel would irrevocably harm the game theyve grown to LOVE over the last eight years, you blast them for it.
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spikes sekips
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:51:00 -
[67]
Originally by: SexxxSlave
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:28:54
This is all just a fun pasttime for you guys, right? You're just here to troll the forums, post images of ponies and have a 4chan day? Right?
This part of the community is a joke.
San Severina: The last part of my post (that you clearly did not read) was especially written for you.
first of all...Habit let you in? wow...
secondly, you are a continual and vehement defender of CCP and everything they do. Which is fine, no one gets mad at you for it. But when a large number of people feel the need to revolt or express how they feel about a change that they feel would irrevocably harm the game theyve grown to LOVE over the last eight years, you blast them for it.
Might I ask why they arent allow to express themselves, while the white-knighters such as yourself feel that they should be able to run about and tell everyone how great CCP is?
Who said they arent allowed to express themselves, didnt he just say that people could calm themselves down a bit? Have you even bothered checking any threads? There are people claiming SP and secstatus for irl cash, where did those rumors come from? I didnt see that in the fearless newsletter atleast...
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:54:00 -
[68]
Originally by: spikes sekips
Who said they arent allowed to express themselves, didnt he just say that people could calm themselves down a bit? Have you even bothered checking any threads? There are people claiming SP and secstatus for irl cash, where did those rumors come from? I didnt see that in the fearless newsletter atleast...
The sec status was the SP wasnt to the best of my memory.
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spikes sekips
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:55:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Originally by: spikes sekips
Who said they arent allowed to express themselves, didnt he just say that people could calm themselves down a bit? Have you even bothered checking any threads? There are people claiming SP and secstatus for irl cash, where did those rumors come from? I didnt see that in the fearless newsletter atleast...
The sec status was the SP wasnt to the best of my memory.
Please point it out to me then? I must have missed where sec status have been discussed.
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:58:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Jimmy De''Souza on 26/06/2011 04:57:58
Originally by: spikes sekips
Please point it out to me then? I must have missed where sec status have been discussed.
Quote:
One other service weÆre looking at is selling faction standings. We want to offer convenience for a price. As an example, your friend might give you free tickets to see her band play simply because the two of you are friends; meanwhile, other fans have to pay for a ticket because, well, thatÆs how it normally works. The more noteworthy the band, the more those friendships (and thus the tickets) are worth. If that doesnÆt seem quite an accurate analogy, think of it like this: you can develop a friendship by ôspendingö your time, or you can pay to get the same benefits that friendship would otherwise allow.
Forgive me if I am wrong, but your sec status is the same thing as your standings with concorde right?
Even if not the leap from faction standing to sec status isnt very far. Though that claim should be stopped yes.
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gdjghjhgjfh
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:07:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha
Originally by: nota spyalt
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Heh, the kind of replies I was expecting.
Again, closed threads do not prove anything. The proof is in the pudding, not in the speculation.
If you disagree what Incarna *is* now currently, with monocles and all. Then fine, I salute you and bid you farewell.
If you disagree with what it might be because of pure speculation and fear. Then I simply think you're being irrational and overly emotional about it. Take a chill-pill, your family will still be there tomorrow, as will EVE, and beach parties. Wait until you have confirmation and then act.
CCP could end a ton of the rage with a quick and easy 'nothing but vanity items' dev blog. Why do you think they haven't?
Why don't I respond to my kids tantrums when they throw them? because it only encourages a similar response from them in the future...
want to see a weird reaction from your kids. start throwing a tantrum right next to them. lol
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Conrad Lionhart
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:15:00 -
[72]
I feel Eve is better off without these people. Just ban them and let them leave. Do you really want gamers who are so obsessed with the game that they act this fanatical this the moment they hear something they don't like?
And who are they kidding? They're not gonna leave! This unsub tactic is just a ploy to get CCP scared. It shows that they still care and want CCP to reverse their changes.
If Eve is no longer the game for me, I stop playing it, simple. I won't try to sabotage Jita and ruin it for everyone else.
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spikes sekips
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:17:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Forgive me if I am wrong, but your sec status is the same thing as your standings with concorde right?
Even if not the leap from faction standing to sec status isnt very far. Though that claim should be stopped yes.
Faction standing with concord and secstatus is not even close to the same thing no.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:30:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Conrad Lionhart
I feel Eve is better off without these people. Just ban them and let them leave. Do you really want gamers who are so obsessed with the game that they act this fanatical this the moment they hear something they don't like?
*snip*
If Eve is no longer the game for me, I stop playing it, simple. I won't try to sabotage Jita and ruin it for everyone else.
You'd think that a community that sticks with a game developer through good and bad would be worth more than a loose mass of people who jump ship as soon as there are problems..
So yeah, don't let the door hit you on the way out once it happens.
What wrong is with Eve / CCP (by Tippia) |
ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:32:00 -
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HAVE U SEEN THIS LATELY???
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: SexxxSlave
first of all...Habit let you in? wow...
secondly, you are a continual and vehement defender of CCP and everything they do. Which is fine, no one gets mad at you for it. But when a large number of people feel the need to revolt or express how they feel about a change that they feel would irrevocably harm the game theyve grown to LOVE over the last eight years, you blast them for it.
Might I ask why they arent allow to express themselves, while the white-knighters such as yourself feel that they should be able to run about and tell everyone how great CCP is?
HABIT and PL are cool duders, there are some people in there that have a different opinion than I, and some that think the way I do. But what you're essentially doing here is making a strawman out of my posting to make it easier for yourself to attack it. It's really not my thing to counter-argue misconstrued versions of my own stance, but let's say that:
a) I am also critical about how CCP have been interacting (or not interacting) with the community, however I don't feel the same urge to nerdrage about it.
b) I'm not really blasting people for their opinion, I am saying that they're being irrational. Overreacting and speculating because what they feel that the game might have in the future seems a bit too far for me. I personally believe what I can smell, touch, feel... and in the game right now, there are no such things as the community is raging about. So v0v
HABIT
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Hohepa Marstolt
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: San Severina
& realised you are mad because the game sucks & some people won't put up with it & are leaving.
Do what CCP is doing, just ignore us, we'll all be gone in a few more weeks/months.
This
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Flesh Pipe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Flesh Pipe on 26/06/2011 14:38:44
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Copper Pipe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:39:00 -
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I can see why people are getting annoyed at what is going on and it is the communication but the speculation that is flying round is stupid.
The company I work for does similar thing as the newsletter that was leaked and it is to generate discussion that is all, most of the time it leads to something totally different than what was originally discussed which ends up a great idea.
Alt posted instead of main
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:33:00 -
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Looks like a lot of people are coming to good realization. About time.
HABIT
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 26/06/2011 21:37:48
Tobias you noob, they are not ready to process logic and reason yet .. twelve more hours, twelve more hours
Edit: By the way "Scenario Planning" is a widely used system in fast paced industries to keep everyone thinking .. who'd have thought.
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Ltd SpacePig
FISKL GUARDS
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:50:00 -
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This is just what i have been saying to ppl.. but ppl wont listen.. as in this thread ppl are saying your all wrong and yadayadayada..
It feels like we are the only sane ppl in a insane world.. its like mass hysteria and no one wont listen to any sane thoughts anymore.. and what ever CCP says get put into this conspiracy hysteria and nothing they say can be trusted anyway.. how are you going to solve this? so everyone.. CALM THE **** DOWN.. and await the CSM / CCP meeting and they might put it in a way even you can understand..
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/06/2011 03:29:44
I honestly believe that the rage waves of these past days is completely construed by a mob mentality fueled by irrational minds and a lot of emotional people not really thinking things through properly.
First of all, what is actually present in the game is vanity items. Expensive, yes. But they are vain. As has been said one hundred times before, you can buy them with ISK, or you can buy them with PLEX or Aur, or real money. But you can do the same thing you do with any other item, say a revelation dreadnought: If you find no use for it, you do not buy it.
This is usually the point where someone tells me, "but a revelation is actually useful, I'd rather have that", so what? Go buy a revelation then. If you don't want monocles don't buy them. Is that so hard to get through your skull?
Secondly, there was a leaked document "greed is good" whatever, at this point everybody knows this. What wasn't leaked (omitted) was the fact that THOSE OPINIONS WERE JUST THAT, not the policy of CCP, not reflecting what is necessarily going to happen.
This is usually the point where someone tells me, BUT IT'S THE LEAD DESIGNER! So ****ing what? Everyone just assumes that this means that Soundwave autocratically will just do whatever he wants to do. He will decide the future of the game, because all those other employees at CCP (including his bosses) want that to happen.
*DO YOU NOT SEE HOW COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL YOUR LINE OF THINKING IS? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY?*
What he stated was his opinion, he was asked to speak it. So he did. Now people are calling a Jihad on him because of it? This behaviour is more akin to a witch hunt rather than a bunch of rational duders sitting down and analyzing official statements.
Thirdly the alleged statements from Hillmar where he supposedly confirms everything that everyone are fearing, the end of days.
Without a single rational thought people just a) Buy this as legitimate, because why would it be doctored? It was posted in writing from an anonymous source, OF COURSE IT IS LEGIT! b) Start to construe ideas of how corrupt CCP is because of this document and the evil Soundwave's opinion and spreading them c) Cancel their subscription, without confirmation... without anything anywhere sandbox-breaking entering the game, just like that.
Fourthly the ignorance of CCP to all these claims, particularly concerning MT breaking the sandbox. Guys, officially there are no plans to implement any sandbox-breaking content into EVE. The only reason you think this is because of the opinion written in an internal newsletter with BIG A BIG FAT DISCLAIMER asking people to state their opinion. This is the shred of "evidence" to your rioting, for your jumping to conclusions, for your "Let's protest in Jita".
The reason Zulupark's blog seemed so "out of touch" wasn't because HE necessarily was out of touch, it was because in his mind this kind of behaviour displayed is mind-bafflingly irrational. How can people just take that thing and spin it to such a point where they actually are cancelling subscriptions en-masse? It sounds like a joke to him. But him, Fallout, Manifest and Pann have tried to calm everyone down. They understand why you are upset.
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Edited by: Jimmy De''Souza on 26/06/2011 04:57:58
Originally by: spikes sekips
Please point it out to me then? I must have missed where sec status have been discussed.
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One other service weÆre looking at is selling faction standings. We want to offer convenience for a price. As an example, your friend might give you free tickets to see her band play simply because the two of you are friends; meanwhile, other fans have to pay for a ticket because, well, thatÆs how it normally works. The more noteworthy the band, the more those friendships (and thus the tickets) are worth. If that doesnÆt seem quite an accurate analogy, think of it like this: you can develop a friendship by ôspendingö your time, or you can pay to get the same benefits that friendship would otherwise allow.
Forgive me if I am wrong, but your sec status is the same thing as your standings with concorde right?
Even if not the leap from faction standing to sec status isnt very far. Though that claim should be stopped yes.
Faction standing, let's say you as a new player got told to run missions for Amarr Navy. 1-2 years later you feel like you want to step up and join a corporation. The problem is that said corporation lives in Gallente space. And due to your mission running, Gallente and Minmatar NPC will kill you. And as a lone player there isn't really a way for you to counteract this. Even with that skill trained to 5, you will probably still be below -5 faction standing.
The only way to come back from this is to grind countless lvl 1 missions in low sec. How many solo guys tend to do this? Even worse is if you run missions for pirates in 0.0, have fun not being able to go into ANY empire space, like happened to a friend of mine.
Security status is one thing, you can come back from this pretty easilly and it will not screw you over the same way.
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Comy 1
Faction standing, let's say you as a new player got told to run missions for Amarr Navy. 1-2 years later you feel like you want to step up and join a corporation. The problem is that said corporation lives in Gallente space. And due to your mission running, Gallente and Minmatar NPC will kill you. And as a lone player there isn't really a way for you to counteract this. Even with that skill trained to 5, you will probably still be below -5 faction standing.
The only way to come back from this is to grind countless lvl 1 missions in low sec. How many solo guys tend to do this? Even worse is if you run missions for pirates in 0.0, have fun not being able to go into ANY empire space, like happened to a friend of mine.
Security status is one thing, you can come back from this pretty easilly and it will not screw you over the same way.
I know what faction standing is, I would assume every player who has ever played eve does.
I was told that your faction standing with the concorde faction was one and the same as your sec status. Apparently not however and I dont need anyone describing in detail the system.
Thanks for that however.
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Comy 1 on 27/06/2011 01:39:59
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Originally by: Comy 1
Faction standing, let's say you as a new player got told to run missions for Amarr Navy. 1-2 years later you feel like you want to step up and join a corporation. The problem is that said corporation lives in Gallente space. And due to your mission running, Gallente and Minmatar NPC will kill you. And as a lone player there isn't really a way for you to counteract this. Even with that skill trained to 5, you will probably still be below -5 faction standing.
The only way to come back from this is to grind countless lvl 1 missions in low sec. How many solo guys tend to do this? Even worse is if you run missions for pirates in 0.0, have fun not being able to go into ANY empire space, like happened to a friend of mine.
Security status is one thing, you can come back from this pretty easilly and it will not screw you over the same way.
I know what faction standing is, I would assume every player who has ever played eve does.
I was told that your faction standing with the concorde faction was one and the same as your sec status. Apparently not however and I dont need anyone describing in detail the system.
Thanks for that however.
No, that would be the corporation standing with concord that is your sec status.
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Aessaya
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:44:00 -
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A simple "no" would be suffice right after the document was leaked. None of this would have happened!
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41527
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:00:00 -
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i think theres been plenty of dots presented recently to conclude with a good degree of accuracy where the devs of eve plan to take it. the fact you havn't managed to conect them makes me think your not very bright or in some phase of denial or enjoy adolescent confrontation. either way not taking the time to voice our opinions is tantamount to acceptance. **** that!
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Comy 1
No, that would be the corporation standing with concord that is your sec status.
Hmm, I assumed your standing with the concorde assembly would be the same as your standings with concorde corp.
Anyway, is it possible to have high faction standings but poor standings with a corp within that faction. I thought the 2 effected each other.
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Originally by: Comy 1
No, that would be the corporation standing with concord that is your sec status.
Hmm, I assumed your standing with the concorde assembly would be the same as your standings with concorde corp.
Anyway, is it possible to have high faction standings but poor standings with a corp within that faction. I thought the 2 effected each other.
No they are not related to eachother. As stated the corp standing increase/decrease as sec status do, while the only time I managed to get lowered faction standing with Concord Assembly was when I did the mission "The Blockade" against them in Stain. My log is now empty of any type of increase/decrease since that was like a year ago. And my sec status was totally unaffected by that.
My guess is that the only way the concord faction standing might affect me, is that it might prevent me from entering the Sanctum constellation in Genesis, should it go below -5.
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