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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: cecil b d'milf
Originally by: Galding
Originally by: I Love Boobies Even I, with half a brain, and that half only concerned about one subject, knows he meant "gold ammo" as a metaphor for Pay 2 Win. I am pretty sure he used that choice of words because those whom were upset about the possibility of Pay 2 Win, including me, were referring to it as "gold ammo". It's kind of like referring to facial tissues as Kleenex and any soft drink beverage as a Coke.
If there is no pay to win being planned at all, why fly the CSMs out to iceland?
quite
Because they want a discussion about what they can do, which was stated in the devblog if i remember correctly.
Now, unless the CSM totally ****s us up, it seems we're pretty "safe".
If not ... well ... LET THE RAGE CONTINUE ! They'll surely be happy about even worse PR than they already got.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Demure Guise
Originally by: Dorian Wylde
Originally by: Drachenfels Constant CCP Zulu's blog is meaningless, without a simple clear and concise statement like "There will be no game altering items on sale in the NEX store" or "Only vanity items will be sold in the Nex store" you the customer can be assured that's it's goign to happen.
Both blogs had exactly that. That is what "fearless was used and meant solely for discussion" means. You and all the other fools making these stupid topics just want the same thing said in your words, a thousand different ways.
"We will never sell game-affecting items or features" is hard for them to say? There's more of an answer in that short sentence that in the two 'Informative' blogs that have been released, put together! What they release reeks of equivocation and hedging their bets. HOWEVER, I'll just ascribe that to very clumsy PR for the meantime, and let them have yet ANOTHER meeting.
This, they wont take selling game altering items off the table.
All they needed to say was just that.
We cant accept slang as definitive. We need a clear and concise answer that cannot be weaseled out of at a later date.
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Oarta
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Oarta on 26/06/2011 20:20:10 You guys and gals are funny. You demand a statement that there will be no "Pay to Win". Yet, in fact, there is already Pay to Win in game with Plex. For with it, you can pay for Plex and purchase a high skilled character and all of the equipment you could ever want.
So why in the world do you expect a statement which would contradict what they already have in place? |
cecil b d'milf
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Solstice Project
Originally by: cecil b d'milf
Originally by: Galding
Originally by: I Love Boobies Even I, with half a brain, and that half only concerned about one subject, knows he meant "gold ammo" as a metaphor for Pay 2 Win. I am pretty sure he used that choice of words because those whom were upset about the possibility of Pay 2 Win, including me, were referring to it as "gold ammo". It's kind of like referring to facial tissues as Kleenex and any soft drink beverage as a Coke.
If there is no pay to win being planned at all, why fly the CSMs out to iceland?
quite
Because they want a discussion about what they can do, which was stated in the devblog if i remember correctly.
Now, unless the CSM totally ****s us up, it seems we're pretty "safe".
If not ... well ... LET THE RAGE CONTINUE ! They'll surely be happy about even worse PR than they already got.
we're talking at crossed purposes I think, souns like you think it's possible they will try for p2w too c/d ?
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clbo
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Because that's how we're taking it. That was the question most of us wanted answered.
If you introduce non-vanity ships, mods, guns, anything that lets people with an OOG advantage had an IG advantage, there will be hell to pay.
Maybe not
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Vikarion
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Solstice Project
Guys, it's not that hard to grasp.
He said "gold ammo", with ", which means he used the term generally for everything that regards "items that give advantage when paid for with real money".
Talking about this is useless, we have their balls here in hands, ready to crush! ... if necessary. (yuck .......... *lol*)
This is how I see it too. People were calling what "Fearless" was discussing "gold ammo" from the start. We don't want it. We started threads about it. CCP just posted "no gold ammo".
They can't work around this, if they go back on it, they are lying. - - -
Originally by: CCP Pann If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it.
Originally by: Hilmar this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. |
Anna Grahm
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Oarta Edited by: Oarta on 26/06/2011 20:20:10 You guys and gals are funny. You demand a statement that there will be no "Pay to Win". Yet, in fact, there is already Pay to Win in game with Plex. For with it, you can pay for Plex and purchase a high skilled character and all of the equipment you could ever want.
So why in the world do you expect a statement which would contradict what they already have in place?
Don't interrupt the hivemind echo chamber!
I am NOT an alt! |
Grey Griff
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:29:00 -
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i feel a bit unsatisfied with answer yet
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: cecil b d'milf
we're talking at crossed purposes I think, souns like you think it's possible they will try for p2w too c/d ?
pyramid quoting ... great ... whole post deleted.
Anyway...
Think in possibilites.
There's the possibility that they want to convice the CSM that "pay2win" is a good thing.
There's also the possibility that they are calling the CSM in, because they need some ideas to make money and want to know if players accept them. (I believe this option has the higher probability)
There's also the possibility that they are doing it because of damage control. t2, even. (This one has a high probability too)
All life is probability ... and i'm hitting the language barrier here again.
Did i adress your c/d ? ^^
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Shrike Malakim
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Shrike Malakim on 26/06/2011 20:37:10 Edited by: Shrike Malakim on 26/06/2011 20:36:44 It's impossible for "no gold ammo" to unequivocally mean "no game-affecting AUR purchases". Why? Because the actual statement was "there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum" (direct quote from http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=934).
If "gold ammo" here means "all game-affecting AUR purchases", then this statement is a lie, because there ABSOLUTELY WERE plans for the Gold Scorpion that CCP had to be talked down from.
If "gold ammo" here means "all game-affecting AUR purchases', then it STILL does not answer the question of "will there be", because "are" refers to the present, and "never have been" refers to the past. Nothing in the statement refers to the future.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Griff i feel a bit unsatisfied with answer yet
That's completely understandable.
One can't deny the feeling of "they are trying to gain more time", but thinking about that is of no use at all.
We just need to be patient and, if the outcome doesn't fit our desires, they'll get the worst PR beating in history of VideoGames ever.
More than they already got.
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Galding
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Solstice Project
Originally by: cecil b d'milf
we're talking at crossed purposes I think, souns like you think it's possible they will try for p2w too c/d ?
pyramid quoting ... great ... whole post deleted.
Anyway...
Think in possibilites.
There's the possibility that they want to convice the CSM that "pay2win" is a good thing.
There's also the possibility that they are calling the CSM in, because they need some ideas to make money and want to know if players accept them. (I believe this option has the higher probability)
There's also the possibility that they are doing it because of damage control. t2, even. (This one has a high probability too)
All life is probability ... and i'm hitting the language barrier here again.
Did i adress your c/d ? ^^
Option 1 is them having plans for pay 2 win.
Option 2 they would have an emergency flight to iceland and discussion with the CSM to throw some ideas around to make their business more profitable in the middle of this mess?
Option 3 they wouldn't need any damage control if they just clearly state there will be no pay to win in eve, no talk about how they have no plans to, or words like 'gold ammo', we want something they can't weasel out of, because they have lost the trust with the community right now. |
Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:42:00 -
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Quote: However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all.
What he is stating is that they are discussing about "gold ammo" (aka "advantage for money"), but there are no plans of pulling that **** off.
It doesn't matter as of yet ... as i stated already ... by their own words, we have their balls in hand to crush them if necessary !
(i seriously believe this devblog was part of a huge damage control effort, actually) (for me, it sounds like that ... but we have to wait and see ... my oppinion doesn't matter)
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Galding
Originally by: Solstice Project
Originally by: cecil b d'milf
we're talking at crossed purposes I think, souns like you think it's possible they will try for p2w too c/d ?
pyramid quoting ... great ... whole post deleted.
Anyway...
Think in possibilites.
There's the possibility that they want to convice the CSM that "pay2win" is a good thing.
There's also the possibility that they are calling the CSM in, because they need some ideas to make money and want to know if players accept them. (I believe this option has the higher probability)
There's also the possibility that they are doing it because of damage control. t2, even. (This one has a high probability too)
All life is probability ... and i'm hitting the language barrier here again.
Did i adress your c/d ? ^^
Option 1 is them having plans for pay 2 win.
Option 2 they would have an emergency flight to iceland and discussion with the CSM to throw some ideas around to make their business more profitable in the middle of this mess?
Option 3 they wouldn't need any damage control if they just clearly state there will be no pay to win in eve, no talk about how they have no plans to, or words like 'gold ammo', we want something they can't weasel out of, because they have lost the trust with the community right now.
Option 1 ... possible, but we don't know.
Option 2 ... yeah, quite possible.
Option 3 ... they definitly need damage control after the mess they made.
You have a point in saying "they didn't say there will be no non-vanity-items for cash", but the devblog is worded in a way that they could have said that already.
That's why i'm talking in possibilites.
And that's why i'm saying that we have their balls. :)
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Greup
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Greup on 26/06/2011 20:50:12 Personally "No Gold Ammo" is good enough for me at this time.
I think the community has made it very clear to CCP where we stand on the subject and that at some time in the future there will be severe consequences if they introduce microtransactions for game affecting stuff.
I think its time to go back to actually playing Eve and not hinder CCP from digging themselves out of the $70 monocle mess they have created for themselves.
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Ciel Dunois
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:52:00 -
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"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP do and less of what they say."
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ciel Dunois "I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP do and less of what they say."
Yeah, i believe Hellmar started to digg his own grave with that sentence ...
... altough we actually don't REALLY know what this guy really was/is up to.
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Maplestone
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Because that's how we're taking it. That was the question most of us wanted answered.
You need to articulate why you believe NEX is different than PLEX.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Because that's how we're taking it. That was the question most of us wanted answered.
If you introduce non-vanity ships, mods, guns, anything that lets people with an OOG advantage had an IG advantage, there will be hell to pay.
That's not how I take it at all. "Gold ammo" is not a slang for everything RMT. It is a specific item mentioned in a series of things that would be destructive to Eve Online as we know it - AUR for fittings, AUR for faction standings, all things mentioned in fearless.
Saying no "gold ammo" means that it is the ONLY element they are stating they will not implement, it was a tactful way of trying to appease players while not addressing the primary question on the table, which has been utterly, crystal clear. Players want to know if CCP has plans for ANY in-game advantages bought for AUR.
Saying we're all up in arms over gold ammo is like saying we're all up in arms over the monocle price. We're not. We're frustrated by lack of CCP transparency about where they will or will not go as a matter of loyalty and respect to the players that built the company with their purchases. CCP would have nothing without our money and commitment to their game, they owe us direct answers to direct questions.
I look forward to the CSM meeting results.
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Cannonfodder1982
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:25:00 -
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where is this ccp responce?
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Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar Shadow Kitty Legion Rura-Penthe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: ifollowed through
Originally by: Sujanra Acoma
It was perfectly clear and precise. You just still have your rage blinders on.
and you have CCP man milk in your eyes
You're a pig and a child.
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Brother Pullo
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:28:00 -
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I think one has to be rather naive to think that the statement wasn't carefully worded by CCP.
In non-newspeak it simply means: no gold-ammo (for now), but yes, other non-vanity items in the NEx Shop will come.
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Cannonfodder1982
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cannonfodder1982 where is this ccp responce?
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: Vikarion Because that's how we're taking it. That was the question most of us wanted answered.
If you introduce non-vanity ships, mods, guns, anything that lets people with an OOG advantage had an IG advantage, there will be hell to pay.
That's not how I take it at all. "Gold ammo" is not a slang for everything RMT. It is a specific item mentioned in a series of things that would be destructive to Eve Online as we know it - AUR for fittings, AUR for faction standings, all things mentioned in fearless.
Saying no "gold ammo" means that it is the ONLY element they are stating they will not implement, it was a tactful way of trying to appease players while not addressing the primary question on the table, which has been utterly, crystal clear. Players want to know if CCP has plans for ANY in-game advantages bought for AUR.
Saying we're all up in arms over gold ammo is like saying we're all up in arms over the monocle price. We're not. We're frustrated by lack of CCP transparency about where they will or will not go as a matter of loyalty and respect to the players that built the company with their purchases. CCP would have nothing without our money and commitment to their game, they owe us direct answers to direct questions.
I look forward to the CSM meeting results.
No. Yes. Maybe.
Seriously, his statement of "gold ammo" can definitly used against him because his wording shows that he is talking about "every item that gives an advantage for cash".
It doesn't matter anymore what he meant, his words are clear enough to use against CCP!
For the other ... i believe that can be summed up as "trust" and i totally agree there.
I myself am looking forward to the CSM meetings and i'm actually really eager to read what they have to say and pick it apart accordingly, if necessary.
We need to have trust ... at least in ourselves.
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Haramir Haleths
Caldari Nutella Bande
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:32:00 -
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No Gold Ammo means No Gold Ammo nothing else. I guess they plan bad bad things like purchasing XP and ugly things like that.
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oniplE
MeMento.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Shrike Malakim
If "gold ammo" here means "all game-affecting AUR purchases", then this statement is a lie, because there ABSOLUTELY WERE plans for the Gold Scorpion that CCP had to be talked down from.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Pullo I think one has to be rather naive to think that the statement wasn't carefully worded by CCP.
In non-newspeak it simply means: no gold-ammo (for now), but yes, other non-vanity items in the NEx Shop will come.
Tbh, from my 20+ years experience (in german, though) he didn't word it carefully enough so that his words can not be used against him. I'm REALLY, REALLY 100% sure about that. He could try to weasel out ... but be sure i will not let that happen. Worst that can happen is total denial from CCP ... which simply won't work for weaseling out.
As i stated already, his words are clear enough to crush their balls if necessary. No need to keep any controversy up because of this.
(and ... seriously ... at least Zulu does not seem to have any education about how to) (word things in a way that he can weasel out of them. At least that's what i'm reading.)
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Demure Guise
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Demure Guise on 26/06/2011 21:45:18 Edited by: Demure Guise on 26/06/2011 21:44:41
Originally by: Oarta Edited by: Oarta on 26/06/2011 20:20:10 You guys and gals are funny. You demand a statement that there will be no "Pay to Win". Yet, in fact, there is already Pay to Win in game with Plex. For with it, you can pay for Plex and purchase a high skilled character and all of the equipment you could ever want.
It might surprise you to realise we know that, BUT...
1) at least it's equipment made by other players, and not simply conjured up out of thin air by ÇÇP which would crap all over Miners and Industrialists.
2) at least the paid-for character has to learn skills as normal from that point on.
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yumike
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Demure Guise Edited by: Demure Guise on 26/06/2011 21:45:18 Edited by: Demure Guise on 26/06/2011 21:44:41
Originally by: Oarta Edited by: Oarta on 26/06/2011 20:20:10 You guys and gals are funny. You demand a statement that there will be no "Pay to Win". Yet, in fact, there is already Pay to Win in game with Plex. For with it, you can pay for Plex and purchase a high skilled character and all of the equipment you could ever want.
It might surprise you to realise we know that, BUT...
1) at least it's equipment made by other players, and not simply conjured up out of thin air by ÇÇP which would crap all over Miners and Industrialists.
2) at least the paid-for character has to learn skills as normal from that point on.
It's also pretty easy to get isk no matter what you are doing, So it's quite easy to be on the same footing as any other player furthermore, They aren't running around in ships with +10% resistances and two extra mid slots... Yet. When you see the first BS with 12/12/12 slot layout let me know how much it costs in your cash shop.
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Los Quinton
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Haramir Haleths No Gold Ammo means No Gold Ammo nothing else. I guess they plan bad bad things like purchasing XP and ugly things like that.
And what is Gold Ammo?
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