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Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:34:00 - [1] I mean look, Daddy's pretty rich and gives me his CC every now and then. I like usually spend 400$ a month just selling GTCs and buying SCs every 2 months and chars etc. Like ask me about my officer fit nightmare i mission in. No but seriously. Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. It's pretty awesome if they implement it xD
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:35:00 - [2] Originally by: Pastachick I mean look, Daddy's pretty rich and gives me his CC every now and then. I like usually spend 400$ a month just selling GTCs and buying SCs every 2 months and chars etc. Like ask me about my officer fit nightmare i mission in. No but seriously. Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. It's pretty awesome if they implement it xD +1 Finally being able to fly and fit all those ships I have for over YEAR!
Dopesick Minmatar The Dream is Dead	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:38:00 - [3] sandbox gaming - look it up V-sig-V Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's or not?
Kiran Minmatar Knights of Azrael	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:38:00 - [4] Would say your a t**t but they are useful.
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Kiran Would say your a t**t but they are useful. I also have the depth and warmth of one.
Inquisitor Bernardo Gui Amarr Holy Imperial Inquisition	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:39:00 - [6] It may sound strange but I'm also in favour. supported!
INLops	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:40:00 - [7] Quote: Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx Oh,yeah,Pastachick is much better..
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:42:00 - [8] Originally by: INLops Quote: Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx Oh,yeah,Pastachick is much better.. Hey it actually makes sense, i'm a girl gamer and my favorite food is pasta : ) xD
Irulan Corinno Caldari 714th SQN - Snowflakes	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:42:00 - [9] Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox.
I Love Boobies Amarr All Hail Boobies	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:42:00 - [10] Edited by: I Love Boobies on 27/06/2011 16:42:54 Sure, get into those ships you don't know how to fly so your tears can flood the forums because you lost an expensive ship. Just because you can pilot a ship since you have the skills for it, doesn't mean you know how to actually fly it. Will be a lot of easy pickings.

Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:43:00 - [11] Originally by: I Love Boobies Sure, get into those ships you don't know how to fly so your tears can flood the forums because you lost an expensive ship. Just because you can pilot a ship because you have the skills for it, doesn't mean you know how to actually fly it. Will be a lot of easy pickings. Exactly. And how am I supposed to lose those expensive ships if I'm not allowed to fly them?
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:47:00 - [12] Originally by: I Love Boobies Edited by: I Love Boobies on 27/06/2011 16:42:54 Sure, get into those ships you don't know how to fly so your tears can flood the forums because you lost an expensive ship. Just because you can pilot a ship since you have the skills for it, doesn't mean you know how to actually fly it. Will be a lot of easy pickings. I can fund them back and i like how you're implying it's hard to press buttons in missions.
Akira Samposeppa Gallente Arthashastra	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:47:00 - [13] instant gratification =/= sandbox You can buy characters on the character bazaar stick with that. Eve where everyone would be able to fly everything would be pretty evened out and boring eve imho. Also if you get what you want right away that will become boring to you after a month or so, and than what will you do? You learn to appreciate it more when you have wait/work for it.
Bloodpetal Mimidae Risk Solutions	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox. EVE is a social sandbox built on a "non-capped" skill-based MMO. This doesn't give you the freedom to buy your way in. If you "buy" your skillpoints up, what you're going to end up with is bored. EVE isn't about your skillpoints, it's about the opportunities you find while you take the journey. If you don't accept that, then you'll inevitably find that you're going to be bored by accumulating a bunch of "virtual nothing" very quickly.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:49:00 - [15] Originally by: I Love Boobies Edited by: I Love Boobies on 27/06/2011 16:42:54 Sure, get into those ships you don't know how to fly so your tears can flood the forums because you lost an expensive ship. Just because you can pilot a ship since you have the skills for it, doesn't mean you know how to actually fly it. Will be a lot of easy pickings. Yeah that stupid theory comes back now and then. Except people will argue up and down "Skill Points mean nothing. I saw a 1 month old noob kick a 4 year old pilots arse." The funny thing is, I don't care about a ship I paid for with MT. They are a dime a dozen and easily replaceable. Which is far better than what we have now. People grinding like fools for 3 months in the few hours a day they can find time to play so they can get their first Battle Ship. Then when they finally get it, they never undock it for fear of losing it. Easy come easy go...
Portmanteau Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox. so you want to take over 0.0 with your credit card ?
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:51:00 - [17] Edited by: Pastachick on 27/06/2011 16:51:55 Originally by: Bloodpetal Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox. EVE is a social sandbox built on a "non-capped" skill-based MMO. This doesn't give you the freedom to buy your way in. If you "buy" your skillpoints up, what you're going to end up with is bored. EVE isn't about your skillpoints, it's about the opportunities you find while you take the journey. If you don't accept that, then you'll inevitably find that you're going to be bored by accumulating a bunch of "virtual nothing" very quickly. Wait how is buying my way in going to get boring ? I'm actually having fun when i bought a minmattar pvp pilot and was able to join small gang roams with vagas and lokis :p You'll have more fun if you can join whatever ops with the ships you got ^_^ Originally by: Portmanteau Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox. so you want to take over 0.0 with your credit card ? So you're saying that current alliances don't do that ?
Mister Smithington	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:52:00 - [18] 5/10. I would have said 3, but this Originally by: Pastachick Originally by: Kiran Would say your a t**t but they are useful. I also have the depth and warmth of one. made me laugh.
Dopesick Minmatar The Dream is Dead	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox. So you wish to buy freedom, instead of earning it? V-sig-V Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's or not?
Josh Bolder	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:52:00 - [20] There is a small point, it does take far to long to get to any enjoyable point. I think a small boost could be good. Not buying SP but an accelerator for skills like in the officers addition would be nice. besides it takes only around a year to fly the big stuff if thats all you want to do, and it takes about the same to get a flying mount in wow. so all games take their time. Eve just lets you know exactly how long

S7E The Priesthood The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:54:00 - [21] Edited by: S7E on 27/06/2011 16:55:31 Originally by: Pastachick I mean look, Daddy's pretty rich and gives me his CC every now and then. I like usually spend 400$ a month just selling GTCs and buying SCs every 2 months and chars etc. Like ask me about my officer fit nightmare i mission in. No but seriously. Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. It's pretty awesome if they implement it xD I'm sure if SP was integrated the majority of eve would go balls out and unsub. I would. Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox. When you're born in real life does your mummy and daddy go out and buy you the ability to be the next Einstein...no. All the people supporting it are new people who never went through the days of learning skills. MTFO
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:54:00 - [22] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 16:56:40 Originally by: Dopesick Originally by: Irulan Corinno No freedom - no sandbox. So you wish to buy freedom, instead of earning it? "Earning" as in "paying subscription for 2 years"? Originally by: Akira Samposeppa instant gratification =/= sandbox Being gimped for years isn't sandbox either. Originally by: Akira Samposeppa Eve where everyone would be able to fly everything would be pretty evened out and boring eve imho. What's so bad if it's about teamwork, player skill, gaining ISk and not about SP? Quote: Also if you get what you want right away that will become boring to you after a month or so, and than what will you do? So EVE is actually boring with max skills? Well I must say it's getting better and better the more I can do. Quote: You learn to appreciate it more when you have wait/work for it. Since when is adding skills to a queue and wait "working"? I find no pleasure in that. Personally I don't get a "satisfaction of accomplishment" when my skills finish. Accomplishment in my view has to do with doing something, not adding a skill to a queue and wait. And wait. And wait. So now I finished Amarr Cruiser V. What did I do to accomplish this? Nothing! The thing is that you can't "win" EVE. There is no "end". There's things like teamwork, organisation, player skill, you still can't buy that. You just buy versatility and flexibility, nothing more, nothing less. If perfect skills and big ships would mean "iwin" you're basically saying EVE is nothing more than a gear grind.
Dopesick Minmatar The Dream is Dead	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Josh Bolder There is a small point, it does take far to long to get to any enjoyable point. I think a small boost could be good. Not buying SP but an accelerator for skills like in the officers addition would be nice. besides it takes only around a year to fly the big stuff if thats all you want to do, and it takes about the same to get a flying mount in wow. so all games take their time. Eve just lets you know exactly how long 1. Train Science and Cybernetics 2. Buy Implants V-sig-V Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's or not?
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:55:00 - [24] Space Barbie needs to look ****tier me thinks. This copy looks too flat.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:56:00 - [25] I strongly approve of the snark in the OP that most people seem to have missed. I giggled. Well done OP. FREE Helicity and Niang!
Markarian Aurelius Caldari Bureau of Interstellar Exploration	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:57:00 - [26] <sigh> I really wanted to comment with a long explanation on why this is such a bad idea, but this thread (and everything else going on in this game) just disappoints me so much I don't even have the energy.
S7E The Priesthood The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:58:00 - [27] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Since when is adding skills to a queue and wait "working"? I find no pleasure in that. Personally I don't get a "satisfaction of accomplishment" when my skills finish. Accomplishment in my view has to do with doing something, not adding a skill to a queue and wait. And wait. And wait. So now I finished Amarr Cruiser V. What did I do to accomplish this? Nothing! The thing is that you can't "win" EVE. There is no "end". There's things like teamwork, organisation, player skill, you still can't buy that. You just buy versatility and flexibility, nothing more, nothing less. If perfect skills and big ships would mean "iwin" you're basically saying EVE is nothing more than a gear grind. fresh meat to the grinder. You may fly the ship but prob arent experienced enough = in death = tears = unsubbing
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:59:00 - [28] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:01:32 Originally by: Dopesick Originally by: Josh Bolder There is a small point, it does take far to long to get to any enjoyable point. I think a small boost could be good. Not buying SP but an accelerator for skills like in the officers addition would be nice. besides it takes only around a year to fly the big stuff if thats all you want to do, and it takes about the same to get a flying mount in wow. so all games take their time. Eve just lets you know exactly how long 1. Train Science and Cybernetics 2. Buy Implants Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months. That's just stupid. Originally by: Mabah Vin Ok..let's be painfully honest. The 'ego's of skill points' are nothing more than paying CCP every month by check or credit card the $14.99 a month. So, it's not skill'..it's 'time'.. Skill' has nothing to do with it. Someone's weapons are more powerful not based on 'skill' of truly targeting, tracking and firing. It's based on putting a 'skill' in one's 'charactor sheet' and waiting for the time to accrue. And by the way, the 'noob' is paying his/her $14.99 a month too. Frankly, the 'skill point' system should be done away with completely because it has nothing to do with true 'skill'. Weapons, ships and systems should be made equal according to model and type and to what one can afford. And if the 'noob' loses his shiny new carrier after that, then it is truly based on his true 'skill' at flying and targeting, not putting 'time' in a character sheet. On the other hand, the 'noob' might get lucky and blast the 'old' players ship into salvage. That's true PVP based on 'skill'.. not 'time' or how many payments one made to CCP to rack up 'time' in the charactor sheet.. I may also add, some of us have real lives with careers, children and other pursuits. and can't spend months on a computer trying to accrue 'skill points'..(or hours a day on a computer.) That's another honest reality .. So if CCP wants to sell 'skill point' go for it. But as I said earlier, the whole 'skill point' system should be done away with and let the PVP fall as it may based on 'true' skill at flying. Not 'time' in a character sheet. Very well said, I couldn't agree more!!!! Two things stand in the way: 1. Self-entitled vets who think they deserve to have an everlasting advantage because "they payed more months subscription"; 2. CCP who's afraid that the game's content alone isn't good enough to keep people playing.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Bloodpetal EVE is a social sandbox built on a "non-capped" skill-based MMO. This doesn't give you the freedom to buy your way in. It sure does the freedom is already there. I wanted a mining toon because I couldnt be arsed to train. So I buy 10 GTC's, trade for ISK, go on forums and find an uber trained miner for 4 Billion ISK. Now I have a miner who can fly Hulks, Orcas, use all the best mining mods and crystals, has all the scanning skills at level 5, and had enough left over from the GTC's to buy 3 Hulks, 1 Orca, 5 Skiffs and fit them all. I did this all in the space of one evening at home, all paid for with Real Cash and all perfectly sanctioned by CCP. So the original owner had to skill up, but I didn't have to. Instant gratification... Woot Quote: EVE isn't about your skillpoints If that is true then why are so many threatened by the fact I could buy some? Quote: ...it's about the opportunities you find while you take the journey.If you don't accept that, then you'll inevitably find that you're going to be bored by accumulating a bunch of "virtual nothing" very quickly. It hasn't bored me not a bit...
Akira Samposeppa Gallente Arthashastra	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Jennifer Starling The thing is that you can't "win" EVE. There is no "end". There's things like teamwork, organisation, player skill, you still can't buy that. You just buy versatility and flexibility, nothing more, nothing less. If perfect skills and big ships would mean "iwin" you're basically saying EVE is nothing more than a gear grind. Yeah i agree. And about skills, they are not everything in eve, for instance i dont know what to train next, i have everything i need (except for jump freighter but thats a pain to train so i wont even start :P ). But if everyone could buy skills than that would be "iwin" button, everyone would buy themselves their gun skills at 5 and it would even out the playing field. Also it would screw up the character market, and some players have a profesion, sort of, to develop and sell characters.



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