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Jeebus Cockmeister	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:31:00 - [61] Originally by: BrundleMeth Originally by: Pastachick Do you get satisfaction from rubbing your ass on sandpaper ? Whoa, what happens at my Viagra house parties is irrelevant to this discussion but consider yourself invited to the next big shindig.... Can I come ?
Kinta Huron Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:40:00 - [62] Originally by: Akira Samposeppa Originally by: Kinta Huron I think character skill re-spec would be a better idea because the player has already earned the sp so he/she is just choosing to put it somewhere else, and it's not an instant win button like just buying sp. The only downfall with chracter skill re-spec is it can favor characters with a deep enough sp pool, depending on what the player actually wants to do. I think character re-spec is even worse than buying Sps. Because planning goes in your character development, like fitting a ship. What would you think if you can refit the ship with items in your cargo midwarp. So what! I've put planning into my characters development for five **ing long years and maybe I want to do something else completely different now without having to pay CCP for a second account. It could take months even years to make a decent character, it's a part of EVE that turns people off, and not everyone has billions of ISK to buy a character from the Bazaar either. This game has become very stale over the years with so many other options closed because of the current system, having a character re-spec ability would keep things fresh while adding some much needed variety by allowing people to do something totally different without the inconvenient tedium of creating another character. So unlike you, I don't think that this is a bad idea and definately not worse than buying sp, and if you can't see the difference there, your an idiot. Btw, refitting a ship midwarp sounds **ing cool!
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Jeebus **meister Originally by: BrundleMeth Originally by: Pastachick Do you get satisfaction from rubbing your ass on sandpaper ? Whoa, what happens at my Viagra house parties is irrelevant to this discussion but consider yourself invited to the next big shindig.... Can I come ? The more the marrier....
ILikeMarkets	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:47:00 - [64] Edited by: ILikeMarkets on 27/06/2011 18:48:11 I would actually support an SP store as well. I wouldn't use it because A) I'm a broke college student B) My character is exactly where I want him, but it would give new chars a fighting chance. I like that. ESPECIALLY if that SP was limited to buying up to say 15 mil SP. Meaning if your toon has 15-20 mil SP total, you can't buy any.
Kinta Huron Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:58:00 - [65] Originally by: ILikeMarkets Edited by: ILikeMarkets on 27/06/2011 18:48:11 I would actually support an SP store as well. I wouldn't use it because A) I'm a broke college student B) My character is exactly where I want him, but it would give new chars a fighting chance. I like that. ESPECIALLY if that SP was limited to buying up to say 15 mil SP. Meaning if your toon has 15-20 mil SP total, you can't buy any. So you propose giving a total noob that knows ** all about this game a whopping 15-20 millon sp jump but, "Joe Dude" that's been playing for years get's on a stick eh? **ing phenomenal idea! /sarcasim
Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:58:00 - [66] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:38:57 Originally by: Thomas Orca Quote: Amarr, Caldari subcaps. Not even battleships yet except Amarr. Later Minmi perhaps. Make your EVEmon schedule and see what you need to fly those .. 50-60 mil SP for that stuff with T2. I'm getting 20mil with my Gallente skills mixed in. I'm at 25 mil, not even at battleships/large weapons. Don't forget drones, rigs, navigation, leadership, science .. it's a lot more than you think. I'm sitting at 37 mil now after just shy of 2 years I can fly all T1 ships save for those some Ammar and pirate/faction battleships. I can fly all T2 frigates other than Caldari, I am able to operate all T2 minmatar cruisers including Logistics at level 5, I am able to use T2 heavy drones and sentries. I have perfect cap skills and my tanking skills are all at 4 or 5. I can use pretty much every T2 non-weapon module that will fit on a sub-cap ship. and I'm 44 days from being able to use every T2 sub cap turret in the game. By the end of the year (assuming I'm still playing) I'll be able to use all T2 weapons system other than cruise missiles and will have finished being able to use every T1 sub cap in the game I'll also add BC5 and Gallente T2 and T3 cruisers and Caldari T2 frigates. This includes some fair leadership skills and cybernetics 5. Bear in mind I'm very unspecialized. My more focused mission running character had T2 large projectiles at around 25mil. Of course it sounds like you might be trying to spread things around a bit too much IMO. If you specialize down a particular path you'll fill it out much faster. Most the reason Skex took so long to really start filling out was because I insisted in laying a strong int/mem foundation but that was a choice I made a sacrifice in the beginning of my career to grant more flexibility down the line. A friend who plays is fully minmatar and Caldari specced at 29 mil including all T2 missiles and Large Projectiles. Quote: Originally by: Akira Samposeppa I think character re-spec is even worse than buying Sps. Because planning goes in your character development, like fitting a ship. What would you think if you can refit the ship with items in your cargo midwarp. Yes imagine we could change our ship's fitting! OMG!! GAME BREAKING!! Actually it kind of is. It eliminates the need to plan ahead what if you could instantly swap hardeners to what ever is optimal against a given opponent. You wouldn't have to make sacrifices in order to be prepared for a wide variety of circumstances. You won't need to decide whether you should fit that ECCM in case you run into a jammer or go with an extra invulnerability field. You'd just carry both around and put in what ever you need at a given moment. This sort of thing is game breaking because it eliminates the affects that various choices have on outcomes.
Prince Kobol	Posted - 2011.06.27 19:00:00 - [67] The only reason she has lots of money is because she lets daddy touch her special place
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.27 19:12:00 - [68] No. The old players with the deeper pockets will gain more from this than the newer players. A change however should not touch this balance more than it needs to be and this is clearly unnecessary as well as risky. It opens i.e. new ground for unbelievable heists like a player clearing a corporation's wallet only to use it to buy 50m SPs for its char. PvP would get uncool at such a point. --
Valkyria Caeli	Posted - 2011.06.27 20:11:00 - [69] Edited by: Valkyria Caeli on 27/06/2011 20:14:11 Interesting idea with the transferring of SP thing. Someone would have to spend the time running an active account to produce the SP and then CCP would be able to charge even more to transfer the SP to another character. And yet it wouldn't simply be an endless supply of SP coming from the vacuum of space. Not entirely unlike the isk that is bought with plex has to be made by someone. I don't know about the limits though. Not really fair for high SP people to not be able to get anything out of it. But it could also easily turn into a means for the very high sp characters to try to pull even further ahead. Of course, what would be the most fun would be the ability to take a character, that you plan to biomass of course, and be able to distill them (for an aurum charge) into a little bottle of concentrated SP that you can then sell on the market. Just macabre enough to fit nicely into the EVE universe I think.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 20:29:00 - [70] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 20:34:47 SP for AUR discussion on skills subforum Originally by: Whitehound The old players with the deeper pockets will gain more from this than the newer players. A change however should not touch this balance more than it needs to be and this is clearly unnecessary as well as risky. Malcanis' Law eh? You mean Akita T would probably have 450 million Sp then tomorrow? Oh well - enable people to buy max 15 million SP a year. Enough to encourage them to keep waiting, not enough to make everything possible here and now. Making skilltraining speed to 5,000 SP/hour would also be agreeable too btw .. Originally by: Valkyria Caeli Of course, what would be the most fun would be the ability to take a character, that you plan to biomass of course, and be able to distill them (for an aurum charge) into a little bottle of concentrated SP that you can then sell on the market. Just macabre enough to fit nicely into the EVE universe I think. Heheh! I think I'd like it! ^^ Imagine getting shot when carrying a few of those bottles though! Originally by: ILikeMarkets I would actually support an SP store as well. I wouldn't use it because A) I'm a broke college student B) My character is exactly where I want him, but it would give new chars a fighting chance. I like that. ESPECIALLY if that SP was limited to buying up to say 15 mil SP. Meaning if your toon has 15-20 mil SP total, you can't buy any. Some boost would be good to encourage players and make them able to stand their ground a little easier. But I also want to be able to buy SP!!!
Irulan Corinno Caldari 714th SQN - Snowflakes	Posted - 2011.06.27 21:11:00 - [71] Originally by: Valkyria Caeli Interesting idea with the transferring of SP thing. Someone would have to spend the time running an active account to produce the SP and then CCP would be able to charge even more to transfer the SP to another character. And yet it wouldn't simply be an endless supply of SP coming from the vacuum of space. Not entirely unlike the isk that is bought with plex has to be made by someone. Of course, what would be the most fun would be the ability to take a character, that you plan to biomass of course, and be able to distill them (for an aurum charge) into a little bottle of concentrated SP that you can then sell on the market. Just macabre enough to fit nicely into the EVE universe I think. I'd like one of those bottles .. I could use a few extra SP!
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar Clan Hyena	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:01:00 - [72] Originally by: Kinta Huron So what! I've put planning into my characters development for five **ing long years and maybe I want to do something else completely different now without having to pay CCP for a second account. It could take months even years to make a decent character, it's a part of EVE that turns people off, and not everyone has billions of ISK to buy a character from the Bazaar either. This game has become very stale over the years with so many other options closed because of the current system, having a character re-spec ability would keep things fresh while adding some much needed variety by allowing people to do something totally different without the inconvenient tedium of creating another character. So unlike you, I don't think that this is a bad idea and definately not worse than buying sp, and if you can't see the difference there, your an idiot. Btw, refitting a ship midwarp sounds **ing cool! Wait wait wait... you'd make a second character just to train a different set of skills? Seriously? There's a reason you can train as much as you want in this game. Why train a new character when you can just train your existing character to do even more? I have 60M SP and I have a character that's actually extremely competent in combat for at least one race's equipment (half-way competent in two more), logistics, and even industry. I can very easily just train a few more skills and boom I'm an adept Mining Barge pilot, or a capable Merchant. That's the big advantage of this game- the ability to train however you bloody feel like it with one character, eventually becoming a master of quite a few trades so that if you do get bored with one profession, bam, you still have skills from another you can jump back into. But if you think it's important to start brand new characters on a regular basis, sure, whatever. People can play games however they want. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:26:00 - [73] Edited by: Whitehound on 27/06/2011 22:27:08 Originally by: Jennifer Starling Malcanis' Law eh? You mean Akita T would probably have 450 million Sp then tomorrow? Oh well - enable people to buy max 15 million SP a year. Enough to encourage them to keep waiting, not enough to make everything possible here and now. Making skilltraining speed to 5,000 SP/hour would also be agreeable too btw .. I am sure Akita T will give herself a good injection if it were possible, but it shall not be my point here. I will simply not play a game where my advancement depends on the amount of money I decide to pay to the game maker. Any game that does this becomes superficial, like a slot machine. And I do not play them, even when some players say that these have very complex mechanics, or that some people wear a smoking to it like they do in Las Vegas. I will simply not play it. --
Rayna Ravenoff	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:33:00 - [74] Originally by: Pastachick I mean look, Daddy's pretty rich and gives me his CC every now and then. I like usually spend 400$ a month just selling GTCs and buying SCs every 2 months and chars etc. Like ask me about my officer fit nightmare i mission in. No but seriously. Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. It's pretty awesome if they implement it xD +1 to you kid. Your daddy worked hard for his money and you deserve to fly that nightmare in a character with a cool name.
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.28 09:34:00 - [75] Originally by: Rayna Ravenoff Originally by: Pastachick I mean look, Daddy's pretty rich and gives me his CC every now and then. I like usually spend 400$ a month just selling GTCs and buying SCs every 2 months and chars etc. Like ask me about my officer fit nightmare i mission in. No but seriously. Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. It's pretty awesome if they implement it xD +1 to you kid. Your daddy worked hard for his money and you deserve to fly that nightmare in a character with a cool name. Daddy wants best for his little angel :')
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:10:00 - [76] Originally by: Whitehound I will simply not play a game where my advancement depends on the amount of money I decide to pay to the game maker. But it already does. You payed more than I did. SP correlates very highly with amount of subscription payed. And that's not a coincidence.
Biscuit King Royal Court of Biscuit	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:15:00 - [77] In all honesty I wouldn't mind if it worked like the Re-Map system. You can purchase SP for plex once every 12 months for a maximum of 25% of the amount of skillpoints you earned in the 12 month period before. For example if between Jan 1st 2010 and Jan 1st 2011 you gained 20m SP on your account for X price you can pay to have another 5m SP in unallocated SP placed on your account. Would give a small reward to players that are activly subbed. My thoughts. King of all things Biscuit
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:18:00 - [78] Originally by: Mister Smithington 5/10. I would have said 3, but this Originally by: Pastachick Originally by: Kiran Would say your a t**t but they are useful. I also have the depth and warmth of one. made me laugh. Cool, that's pretty much what I was thinking while reading through the first couple of posts.. -
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:21:00 - [79] Edited by: Whitehound on 28/06/2011 10:22:02 Originally by: Jennifer Starling But it already does. You payed more than I did. SP correlates very highly with amount of subscription payed. And that's not a coincidence. I do not mean the SP advancement. I mean my advancement as a person. I pay a subscription so that we can get expansions and to keep the server running. I then play a game in my own time and it is a game about spaceships just as much as it is about people. Players, who have been with EVE longer than I have deserve an easier game, aka better skills. Not because they have paid CCP, but because of being part of this community who shaped this game. No one should be able to get an advantage like the older players just by paying CCP more money. If anyone then they need to pay us, the community. This is what actually happened with PLEX and why it finds support in the community. CCP allowed others to buy ISKs with real money, but in return did we get a free-to-play, which increased the community. --
Falbala Gallente Ishtar's Destiny	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:23:00 - [80] They could allow skill transfer like in Entropia (but more complicated because of prerequesites). Take away your Diplomacy 5 and sell it on market. Then someone buys it and plugs it in.
Snow29 Amarr RRRR KILL	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:29:00 - [81] i hate this idea as people have spend so many years building their characters up and then just some rich person use their credit card is bad. If they were to bring it in i would only accept one thing and that would be if they put a limit on SP u are allowed to buy up to for example can only buy if below 15 million sp and once hit 15 mill sp then no more can be bought and also cant get past 15 mill sp when buying it
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:45:00 - [82] Originally by: Snow29 i hate this idea as people have spend so many years building their characters up and then just some rich person use their credit card is bad. If they were to bring it in i would only accept one thing and that would be if they put a limit on SP u are allowed to buy up to for example can only buy if below 15 million sp and once hit 15 mill sp then no more can be bought and also cant get past 15 mill sp when buying it You should have left the game since they introduced the character bazaar.
Signal11th Versatech Co.	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:04:00 - [83] Edited by: Signal11th on 28/06/2011 12:04:34 Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: Thomas Orca Originally by: Jennifer Starling Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months. That's just stupid. Amarr, Caldari subcaps. Not even battleships yet except Amarr. Later Minmi perhaps. Make your EVEmon schedule and see what you need to fly those .. 50-60 mil SP for that stuff with T2. My God you talk some s h i t e.
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:08:00 - [84] Edited by: Solstice Project on 28/06/2011 12:11:34 New guys don't seem to want to grow up anymore. They want to be grown-ups as fast as possible. I can remember my early days from around end of 2009. I scrapped the tutorials, because i realized they are stupid. I scrapped missions, because i realized they are stupid. I googled and started reading guides for weeks and now can tell a target painter helps tracking for guns, while many in my (game)-age or even older still have no clue about most of mechanics and you get smacked if you say this. People lacking information often don't even realise it. I looked at the market and realized the money making potential. I started hauling and trading ... which got me podded in lowsec. Fun, tbh. ^^ ... It's not about bitter vets that want to keep an advantage, that's just so you have another argument, but it's bull**. Even if there are ppl like this, they are a minority. Problem is "instant gratification". Problem is the gap between new- and olds. Problem is, newer people just want to "play" and don't "work" or "care" for EvE or their character. It's a sandbox game. An open universe. A social ... whatever. A world to experience, explore and grow up in. It was always designed to be like this. This game actually never was intended for people who do not want to work for their character... who do not want to experience consequences and who want to do what they want to do, at the most efficient level, as soon as possible. It's a shame that many news just "want to have", but don't want to put something into it... except money, which doesn't really count as any effort in-game. "Growing up" is an essential part of the gaming experience, and those who are going through this will ALWAYS have an advantage above those news who buy SP or buy a char. And i'm talking about personality here, too. You people make me feel sad for you, because you look actually pretty stupid compared to those who have no problem in "building themselves up". Growing. Starting from the grounp. You guys are a cancer that's killing EvE. Just like the generation of players from a few years back, that demanded changes for the game compared to even earlier. Altough the changes back then didn't change the whole "experience". So ... you guys are even worse. And the next generation will be even more worse. Then you will be the "bitter vets" argueing against the new*s then. It'll only get worse, and worse, and worse, because nobody is stopping it. You'll see it happen, or the game dies before that already. Wish you'd be wiser today and not tomorrow. This thread is making me a sad panda. bye. I only have this account. I use a second char on this account, because i'm banned from highsec and i need that support.* i got plenty of SP in fighting, trading, hauling, producing. I never needed a second account, i just do what i want, when i want and it works great. My character is _developed_ and i'm proud of it, because it took quite some work ! The End.
Graugaard Minmatar Internacine	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:11:00 - [85] troll rate: 7/10 *sigh*
Zag'mar Jurkar	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:11:00 - [86] We may aswell give a 10m SP character as soon as you make a new one... NOT. bad idea.
handige harrie	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:13:00 - [87] if you want some circus mmorpg in which you do can do endgame, wow ---> <---rift
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:19:00 - [88] Originally by: handige harrie if you want some circus mmorpg in which you do can do endgame, wow ---> <---rift Exactly. This is Eve and it's different for a reason. That was always the case and that's why it's loved by it's playerbase. The change you demand changes the whole game. It's not EvE anymore then, but just "like all the other MMOs". We need to get rid of all the brainwashed instant gratification new***s. (look it up yourself if you don't get this) oh well ... glad that work is calling. o/
Solosky	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:19:00 - [89] I'd gladly purchase 1.5m SP for 3 PLEXes (or $45 - whatever) - Freighter IV could be handy. Also 3M SP for around $100 (Fighter Bombers V) - instead of 2 months of stupid waiting.
Lerner Caldari War Eagles United Technology Consortium	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:24:00 - [90] Edited by: Lerner on 28/06/2011 12:26:20 Edited by: Lerner on 28/06/2011 12:26:00 Edited by: Lerner on 28/06/2011 12:25:31 Being able to buy sp is bad mojo for the game. Well it does prove one thing. We are defninitly having a influx of dumbed down WoW players in the game screaming I want this now... whats next if you lose your your ship it gets respawned and you just fly your spirit er.......pod to your corpse er... nearest station to recover your ship?

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