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Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:34:00 - [1] I mean look, Daddy's pretty rich and gives me his CC every now and then. I like usually spend 400$ a month just selling GTCs and buying SCs every 2 months and chars etc. Like ask me about my officer fit nightmare i mission in. No but seriously. Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. It's pretty awesome if they implement it xD
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:35:00 - [2] Originally by: Pastachick I mean look, Daddy's pretty rich and gives me his CC every now and then. I like usually spend 400$ a month just selling GTCs and buying SCs every 2 months and chars etc. Like ask me about my officer fit nightmare i mission in. No but seriously. Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. It's pretty awesome if they implement it xD +1 Finally being able to fly and fit all those ships I have for over YEAR!
Dopesick Minmatar The Dream is Dead	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:38:00 - [3] sandbox gaming - look it up V-sig-V Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's or not?
Kiran Minmatar Knights of Azrael	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:38:00 - [4] Would say your a t**t but they are useful.
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Kiran Would say your a t**t but they are useful. I also have the depth and warmth of one.
Inquisitor Bernardo Gui Amarr Holy Imperial Inquisition	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:39:00 - [6] It may sound strange but I'm also in favour. supported!
INLops	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:40:00 - [7] Quote: Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx Oh,yeah,Pastachick is much better..
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:42:00 - [8] Originally by: INLops Quote: Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx Oh,yeah,Pastachick is much better.. Hey it actually makes sense, i'm a girl gamer and my favorite food is pasta : ) xD
Irulan Corinno Caldari 714th SQN - Snowflakes	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:42:00 - [9] Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox.
I Love Boobies Amarr All Hail Boobies	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:42:00 - [10] Edited by: I Love Boobies on 27/06/2011 16:42:54 Sure, get into those ships you don't know how to fly so your tears can flood the forums because you lost an expensive ship. Just because you can pilot a ship since you have the skills for it, doesn't mean you know how to actually fly it. Will be a lot of easy pickings.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:43:00 - [11] Originally by: I Love Boobies Sure, get into those ships you don't know how to fly so your tears can flood the forums because you lost an expensive ship. Just because you can pilot a ship because you have the skills for it, doesn't mean you know how to actually fly it. Will be a lot of easy pickings. Exactly. And how am I supposed to lose those expensive ships if I'm not allowed to fly them?
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:47:00 - [12] Originally by: I Love Boobies Edited by: I Love Boobies on 27/06/2011 16:42:54 Sure, get into those ships you don't know how to fly so your tears can flood the forums because you lost an expensive ship. Just because you can pilot a ship since you have the skills for it, doesn't mean you know how to actually fly it. Will be a lot of easy pickings. I can fund them back and i like how you're implying it's hard to press buttons in missions.
Akira Samposeppa Gallente Arthashastra	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:47:00 - [13] instant gratification =/= sandbox You can buy characters on the character bazaar stick with that. Eve where everyone would be able to fly everything would be pretty evened out and boring eve imho. Also if you get what you want right away that will become boring to you after a month or so, and than what will you do? You learn to appreciate it more when you have wait/work for it.
Bloodpetal Mimidae Risk Solutions	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox. EVE is a social sandbox built on a "non-capped" skill-based MMO. This doesn't give you the freedom to buy your way in. If you "buy" your skillpoints up, what you're going to end up with is bored. EVE isn't about your skillpoints, it's about the opportunities you find while you take the journey. If you don't accept that, then you'll inevitably find that you're going to be bored by accumulating a bunch of "virtual nothing" very quickly.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:49:00 - [15] Originally by: I Love Boobies Edited by: I Love Boobies on 27/06/2011 16:42:54 Sure, get into those ships you don't know how to fly so your tears can flood the forums because you lost an expensive ship. Just because you can pilot a ship since you have the skills for it, doesn't mean you know how to actually fly it. Will be a lot of easy pickings. Yeah that stupid theory comes back now and then. Except people will argue up and down "Skill Points mean nothing. I saw a 1 month old noob kick a 4 year old pilots arse." The funny thing is, I don't care about a ship I paid for with MT. They are a dime a dozen and easily replaceable. Which is far better than what we have now. People grinding like fools for 3 months in the few hours a day they can find time to play so they can get their first Battle Ship. Then when they finally get it, they never undock it for fear of losing it. Easy come easy go...
Portmanteau Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox. so you want to take over 0.0 with your credit card ?
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:51:00 - [17] Edited by: Pastachick on 27/06/2011 16:51:55 Originally by: Bloodpetal Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox. EVE is a social sandbox built on a "non-capped" skill-based MMO. This doesn't give you the freedom to buy your way in. If you "buy" your skillpoints up, what you're going to end up with is bored. EVE isn't about your skillpoints, it's about the opportunities you find while you take the journey. If you don't accept that, then you'll inevitably find that you're going to be bored by accumulating a bunch of "virtual nothing" very quickly. Wait how is buying my way in going to get boring ? I'm actually having fun when i bought a minmattar pvp pilot and was able to join small gang roams with vagas and lokis :p You'll have more fun if you can join whatever ops with the ships you got ^_^ Originally by: Portmanteau Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox. so you want to take over 0.0 with your credit card ? So you're saying that current alliances don't do that ?
Mister Smithington	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:52:00 - [18] 5/10. I would have said 3, but this Originally by: Pastachick Originally by: Kiran Would say your a t**t but they are useful. I also have the depth and warmth of one. made me laugh.
Dopesick Minmatar The Dream is Dead	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox. So you wish to buy freedom, instead of earning it? V-sig-V Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's or not?
Josh Bolder	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:52:00 - [20] There is a small point, it does take far to long to get to any enjoyable point. I think a small boost could be good. Not buying SP but an accelerator for skills like in the officers addition would be nice. besides it takes only around a year to fly the big stuff if thats all you want to do, and it takes about the same to get a flying mount in wow. so all games take their time. Eve just lets you know exactly how long
S7E The Priesthood The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:54:00 - [21] Edited by: S7E on 27/06/2011 16:55:31 Originally by: Pastachick I mean look, Daddy's pretty rich and gives me his CC every now and then. I like usually spend 400$ a month just selling GTCs and buying SCs every 2 months and chars etc. Like ask me about my officer fit nightmare i mission in. No but seriously. Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. It's pretty awesome if they implement it xD I'm sure if SP was integrated the majority of eve would go balls out and unsub. I would. Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 27/06/2011 16:42:08 Originally by: Dopesick sandbox gaming - look it up Yes - freedom to do whatever you want, shape the world accoring to your wishes and no end game. Except that you can't fly anything and are more restricted in your options to do anything well than in any other game. To occupy 0.0 you need supercaps which take years to train - so oh, you can't do that, that part of the sandbox is not yet for you? No freedom - no sandbox. When you're born in real life does your mummy and daddy go out and buy you the ability to be the next Einstein...no. All the people supporting it are new people who never went through the days of learning skills. MTFO
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:54:00 - [22] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 16:56:40 Originally by: Dopesick Originally by: Irulan Corinno No freedom - no sandbox. So you wish to buy freedom, instead of earning it? "Earning" as in "paying subscription for 2 years"? Originally by: Akira Samposeppa instant gratification =/= sandbox Being gimped for years isn't sandbox either. Originally by: Akira Samposeppa Eve where everyone would be able to fly everything would be pretty evened out and boring eve imho. What's so bad if it's about teamwork, player skill, gaining ISk and not about SP? Quote: Also if you get what you want right away that will become boring to you after a month or so, and than what will you do? So EVE is actually boring with max skills? Well I must say it's getting better and better the more I can do. Quote: You learn to appreciate it more when you have wait/work for it. Since when is adding skills to a queue and wait "working"? I find no pleasure in that. Personally I don't get a "satisfaction of accomplishment" when my skills finish. Accomplishment in my view has to do with doing something, not adding a skill to a queue and wait. And wait. And wait. So now I finished Amarr Cruiser V. What did I do to accomplish this? Nothing! The thing is that you can't "win" EVE. There is no "end". There's things like teamwork, organisation, player skill, you still can't buy that. You just buy versatility and flexibility, nothing more, nothing less. If perfect skills and big ships would mean "iwin" you're basically saying EVE is nothing more than a gear grind.
Dopesick Minmatar The Dream is Dead	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Josh Bolder There is a small point, it does take far to long to get to any enjoyable point. I think a small boost could be good. Not buying SP but an accelerator for skills like in the officers addition would be nice. besides it takes only around a year to fly the big stuff if thats all you want to do, and it takes about the same to get a flying mount in wow. so all games take their time. Eve just lets you know exactly how long 1. Train Science and Cybernetics 2. Buy Implants V-sig-V Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's or not?
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:55:00 - [24] Space Barbie needs to look ****tier me thinks. This copy looks too flat.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:56:00 - [25] I strongly approve of the snark in the OP that most people seem to have missed. I giggled. Well done OP. FREE Helicity and Niang!
Markarian Aurelius Caldari Bureau of Interstellar Exploration	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:57:00 - [26] <sigh> I really wanted to comment with a long explanation on why this is such a bad idea, but this thread (and everything else going on in this game) just disappoints me so much I don't even have the energy.
S7E The Priesthood The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:58:00 - [27] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Since when is adding skills to a queue and wait "working"? I find no pleasure in that. Personally I don't get a "satisfaction of accomplishment" when my skills finish. Accomplishment in my view has to do with doing something, not adding a skill to a queue and wait. And wait. And wait. So now I finished Amarr Cruiser V. What did I do to accomplish this? Nothing! The thing is that you can't "win" EVE. There is no "end". There's things like teamwork, organisation, player skill, you still can't buy that. You just buy versatility and flexibility, nothing more, nothing less. If perfect skills and big ships would mean "iwin" you're basically saying EVE is nothing more than a gear grind. fresh meat to the grinder. You may fly the ship but prob arent experienced enough = in death = tears = unsubbing
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:59:00 - [28] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:01:32 Originally by: Dopesick Originally by: Josh Bolder There is a small point, it does take far to long to get to any enjoyable point. I think a small boost could be good. Not buying SP but an accelerator for skills like in the officers addition would be nice. besides it takes only around a year to fly the big stuff if thats all you want to do, and it takes about the same to get a flying mount in wow. so all games take their time. Eve just lets you know exactly how long 1. Train Science and Cybernetics 2. Buy Implants Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months. That's just stupid. Originally by: Mabah Vin Ok..let's be painfully honest. The 'ego's of skill points' are nothing more than paying CCP every month by check or credit card the $14.99 a month. So, it's not skill'..it's 'time'.. Skill' has nothing to do with it. Someone's weapons are more powerful not based on 'skill' of truly targeting, tracking and firing. It's based on putting a 'skill' in one's 'charactor sheet' and waiting for the time to accrue. And by the way, the 'noob' is paying his/her $14.99 a month too. Frankly, the 'skill point' system should be done away with completely because it has nothing to do with true 'skill'. Weapons, ships and systems should be made equal according to model and type and to what one can afford. And if the 'noob' loses his shiny new carrier after that, then it is truly based on his true 'skill' at flying and targeting, not putting 'time' in a character sheet. On the other hand, the 'noob' might get lucky and blast the 'old' players ship into salvage. That's true PVP based on 'skill'.. not 'time' or how many payments one made to CCP to rack up 'time' in the charactor sheet.. I may also add, some of us have real lives with careers, children and other pursuits. and can't spend months on a computer trying to accrue 'skill points'..(or hours a day on a computer.) That's another honest reality .. So if CCP wants to sell 'skill point' go for it. But as I said earlier, the whole 'skill point' system should be done away with and let the PVP fall as it may based on 'true' skill at flying. Not 'time' in a character sheet. Very well said, I couldn't agree more!!!! Two things stand in the way: 1. Self-entitled vets who think they deserve to have an everlasting advantage because "they payed more months subscription"; 2. CCP who's afraid that the game's content alone isn't good enough to keep people playing.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Bloodpetal EVE is a social sandbox built on a "non-capped" skill-based MMO. This doesn't give you the freedom to buy your way in. It sure does the freedom is already there. I wanted a mining toon because I couldnt be arsed to train. So I buy 10 GTC's, trade for ISK, go on forums and find an uber trained miner for 4 Billion ISK. Now I have a miner who can fly Hulks, Orcas, use all the best mining mods and crystals, has all the scanning skills at level 5, and had enough left over from the GTC's to buy 3 Hulks, 1 Orca, 5 Skiffs and fit them all. I did this all in the space of one evening at home, all paid for with Real Cash and all perfectly sanctioned by CCP. So the original owner had to skill up, but I didn't have to. Instant gratification... Woot Quote: EVE isn't about your skillpoints If that is true then why are so many threatened by the fact I could buy some? Quote: ...it's about the opportunities you find while you take the journey.If you don't accept that, then you'll inevitably find that you're going to be bored by accumulating a bunch of "virtual nothing" very quickly. It hasn't bored me not a bit...
Akira Samposeppa Gallente Arthashastra	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Jennifer Starling The thing is that you can't "win" EVE. There is no "end". There's things like teamwork, organisation, player skill, you still can't buy that. You just buy versatility and flexibility, nothing more, nothing less. If perfect skills and big ships would mean "iwin" you're basically saying EVE is nothing more than a gear grind. Yeah i agree. And about skills, they are not everything in eve, for instance i dont know what to train next, i have everything i need (except for jump freighter but thats a pain to train so i wont even start :P ). But if everyone could buy skills than that would be "iwin" button, everyone would buy themselves their gun skills at 5 and it would even out the playing field. Also it would screw up the character market, and some players have a profesion, sort of, to develop and sell characters.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:03:00 - [31] Originally by: Bloodpetal EVE isn't about your skillpoints, it's about the opportunities you find while you take the journey. Wel go ahead and biomass your characters and start anew. It's not about SP after all .. ?
Ripley Nostromo	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months. That's just stupid. People aren't happy unless you are as miserable as they were....
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:09:00 - [33] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:11:00 Originally by: Akira Samposeppa Originally by: Jennifer Starling The thing is that you can't "win" EVE. There is no "end". There's things like teamwork, organisation, player skill, you still can't buy that. You just buy versatility and flexibility, nothing more, nothing less. If perfect skills and big ships would mean "iwin" you're basically saying EVE is nothing more than a gear grind. Yeah i agree. And about skills, they are not everything in eve, for instance i dont know what to train next, i have everything i need (except for jump freighter but thats a pain to train so i wont even start :P ). But if everyone could buy skills than that would be "iwin" button, everyone would buy themselves their gun skills at 5 and it would even out the playing field. Also it would screw up the character market, and some players have a profesion, sort of, to develop and sell characters. Well what's wrong with an equal player field, there's plenty of other things to make a difference, like ISK, cooperation, player skill. In the end SP is just the self-entitled superiority of the vets that "should be stronger, more versatile, more flexible because they payed more months of subscription". SP differences are almost the same as WoW gear differences. I'm in favour of player skill and teamwork and I dispise artificial "SP" or "XP" nonsense! What the character bazaar is concerned you have a good point. I'd also agree with it if you could transfer skills or SP between characters for PLEX so the total number of SP in the game would stay equal. Originally by: Ripley Nostromo Originally by: Jennifer Starling Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months. That's just stupid. People aren't happy unless you are as miserable as they were.... Yes, I guess so. Because our ancestors lived in the stone age so shoud we?!
Thomas Orca Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:11:00 - [34] Edited by: Thomas Orca on 27/06/2011 17:11:35 Originally by: Jennifer Starling Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months. That's just stupid. ... what the absolute hell are you training for, every T3, and T2 battleship, and supercarrier at the same time?
Dopesick Minmatar The Dream is Dead	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:12:00 - [35] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:01:32 Originally by: Dopesick Originally by: Josh Bolder There is a small point, it does take far to long to get to any enjoyable point. I think a small boost could be good. Not buying SP but an accelerator for skills like in the officers addition would be nice. besides it takes only around a year to fly the big stuff if thats all you want to do, and it takes about the same to get a flying mount in wow. so all games take their time. Eve just lets you know exactly how long 1. Train Science and Cybernetics 2. Buy Implants Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months. That's just stupid. Originally by: Mabah Vin Ok..let's be painfully honest. The 'ego's of skill points' are nothing more than paying CCP every month by check or credit card the $14.99 a month. So, it's not skill'..it's 'time'.. Skill' has nothing to do with it. Someone's weapons are more powerful not based on 'skill' of truly targeting, tracking and firing. It's based on putting a 'skill' in one's 'charactor sheet' and waiting for the time to accrue. And by the way, the 'noob' is paying his/her $14.99 a month too. Frankly, the 'skill point' system should be done away with completely because it has nothing to do with true 'skill'. Weapons, ships and systems should be made equal according to model and type and to what one can afford. And if the 'noob' loses his shiny new carrier after that, then it is truly based on his true 'skill' at flying and targeting, not putting 'time' in a character sheet. On the other hand, the 'noob' might get lucky and blast the 'old' players ship into salvage. That's true PVP based on 'skill'.. not 'time' or how many payments one made to CCP to rack up 'time' in the charactor sheet.. I may also add, some of us have real lives with careers, children and other pursuits. and can't spend months on a computer trying to accrue 'skill points'..(or hours a day on a computer.) That's another honest reality .. So if CCP wants to sell 'skill point' go for it. But as I said earlier, the whole 'skill point' system should be done away with and let the PVP fall as it may based on 'true' skill at flying. Not 'time' in a character sheet. Very well said, I couldn't agree more!!!! Two things stand in the way: 1. Self-entitled vets who think they deserve to have an everlasting advantage because "they payed more months subscription"; 2. CCP who's afraid that the game's content alone isn't good enough to keep people playing. Please go back to WoW, really... V-sig-V Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's or not?
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Thomas Orca Originally by: Jennifer Starling Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months. That's just stupid. ... what the absolute hell are you training for, every T3, and T2 battleship, and supercarriers at the same time? Amarr, Caldari subcaps. Not even battleships yet except Amarr. Later Minmi perhaps. Make your EVEmon schedule and see what you need to fly those .. 50-60 mil SP for that stuff with T2.
Leeroy McJenkins GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:14:00 - [37] OP is a good troll, many of latched on. Also its not always about skillpoints but sometimes it is, and when it is it can be enjoyable for at least for one of the involved parties, why take the lolz away? Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:15:00 - [38] Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins OP is a good troll, many of latched on. Also its not always about skillpoints but sometimes it is, and when it is it can be enjoyable for at least for one of the involved parties, why take the lolz away? The ******ed few is good enough for me. :/
Maul555 Amarr Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:19:00 - [39] OP is a troll and got a lot of bites from people who think they have 2 brain cells to rub together. No, you should never be able to sell skill points... As someone else has already pointed out, you can pretty much already do this by buying characters anyways. Your only going to cause the subscriber base to crash. old high-sp characters have an advantage and they SHOULD have an advantage. the whole point of this game is about building on your own hard work, time and effort. If you cheapen this then there is no reason to play anymore. what is the point of working on a character for years anymore? Also, a good focused skill training plan can get a character into some good ship/setups pretty farking fast. Just because you cant do everything immediately doesn't mean you cant to anything! The EVE Personality Test
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:20:00 - [40] Originally by: Maul555 OP is a troll and got a lot of bites from people who think they have 2 brain cells to rub together. No, you should never be able to sell skill points... As someone else has already pointed out, you can pretty much already do this by buying characters anyways. Your only going to cause the subscriber base to crash. old high-sp characters have an advantage and they SHOULD have an advantage. the whole point of this game is about building on your own hard work, time and effort. If you cheapen this then there is no reason to play anymore. what is the point of working on a character for years anymore? Also, a good focused skill training plan can get a character into some good ship/setups pretty farking fast. Just because you cant do everything immediately doesn't mean you cant to anything! I beg to differ. spending 200 bucks for a 30m sp char gives so much satisfaction than waiting a year or two for it.
Jeebus Cockmeister	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Pastachick Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. Not ALL characters that are being cultivated for sale have ******ed names you know...
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar Clan Hyena	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: Mabah Vin Ok..let's be painfully honest. The 'ego's of skill points' are nothing more than paying CCP every month by check or credit card the $14.99 a month. So, it's not skill'..it's 'time'.. Skill' has nothing to do with it. Someone's weapons are more powerful not based on 'skill' of truly targeting, tracking and firing. It's based on putting a 'skill' in one's 'charactor sheet' and waiting for the time to accrue. And by the way, the 'noob' is paying his/her $14.99 a month too. Frankly, the 'skill point' system should be done away with completely because it has nothing to do with true 'skill'. Weapons, ships and systems should be made equal according to model and type and to what one can afford. And if the 'noob' loses his shiny new carrier after that, then it is truly based on his true 'skill' at flying and targeting, not putting 'time' in a character sheet. On the other hand, the 'noob' might get lucky and blast the 'old' players ship into salvage. That's true PVP based on 'skill'.. not 'time' or how many payments one made to CCP to rack up 'time' in the charactor sheet.. I may also add, some of us have real lives with careers, children and other pursuits. and can't spend months on a computer trying to accrue 'skill points'..(or hours a day on a computer.) That's another honest reality .. So if CCP wants to sell 'skill point' go for it. But as I said earlier, the whole 'skill point' system should be done away with and let the PVP fall as it may based on 'true' skill at flying. Not 'time' in a character sheet. I just thought it was necessary to point out you don't have to be at the computer 24/7. I do wonder where this Mabah Vin post came from as it does not seem to be in this thread. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Akira Samposeppa Gallente Arthashastra	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:23:00 - [43] Edited by: Akira Samposeppa on 27/06/2011 17:23:49 Originally by: Jennifer Starling What the character bazaar is concerned you have a good point. I'd also agree with it if you could transfer skills or SP between characters for PLEX so the total number of SP in the game would stay equal. Yeah, transfering skill points between characters instead of buying SPs that spawn from the void is much better imho. And ccp could put a aurum tax on transfer and there you go, everybody is happy. For instance, if this was implemented i could buy that jump freighter skill from you instead of just waiting for it to finish. (or in this case not even bothering to start training it) But on the other hand this is pretty murky territory, so it would need to be implemented very carefully and discussed above and beyond before implementation.
Moro Oskold	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Jeebus **meister Originally by: Pastachick Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. Not ALL characters that are being cultivated for sale have ****ed names you know... Sure Jeebus **meister
StillBorn CrackBaby	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:24:00 - [45] Originally by: Maul555 the whole point of this game is about building on your own hard work, time and effort. LOL!!! What "hard work" Watching a clock tick by the seconds so your skills can go up? The point of this game is to HAVE FUN !!!!
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:25:00 - [46] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:27:43 Originally by: Maul555 the whole point of this game is about building on your own hard work, time and effort. Well tell me what's exactly the "hard work" part in adding skills to a queue if you please? Originally by: Maul555 If you cheapen this then there is no reason to play anymore. What is the point of working on a character for years anymore? So basically your accumulation of SP is more important than your experience, player skills, tricks, coorperation? If I buy 10 million SP how does it undo your "work"? I'd say your in-game experience and fun you can make is important. And you can do so much more with more SP .. It's not that no-one plays other games without the time grind. Originally by: Jeebus **meister Not ALL characters that are being cultivated for sale have ******ed names you know... No .. every 1 in 500 has a normal acceptable name .. not skilled as you'd like ofc ..
Sheila Sarani	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:25:00 - [47] Eve is not imho about max level power gaming but a journey, neverending journey in universe so diffrent than our own.
Ripley Nostromo	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:26:00 - [48] Originally by: Dopesick Please go back to WoW, really... Geez how enlightened? It that all you can add half wit???
Jeebus Cockmeister	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:27:00 - [49] Originally by: Moro Oskold Originally by: Jeebus **meister Originally by: Pastachick Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. Not ALL characters that are being cultivated for sale have ****ed names you know... Sure Jeebus *meister facepalm* The irony, she did not appreciate it Although in fairness Jeebus was an alt made for Hulkageddon and has almost zero sp.
Jaxom Asgard	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:28:00 - [50] Originally by: Maul555 what is the point of working on a character for years anymore? So you can sell it on the Character Bizarre? Oh wait doesn't that cheapen it so there's no reason to play any more?
Kinta Huron Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:29:00 - [51] Edited by: Kinta Huron on 27/06/2011 17:31:07 I think character skill re-spec would be a better idea because the player has already earned the sp so he/she is just choosing to put it somewhere else, and it's not an instant win button like just buying sp. The only downfall with chracter skill re-spec is it favors older characters with deep enough sp pools, but that can also depend on what the player actually wants to do as well.
Thomas Orca Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: Thomas Orca Originally by: Jennifer Starling Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months. That's just stupid. ... what the absolute hell are you training for, every T3, and T2 battleship, and supercarriers at the same time? Amarr, Caldari subcaps. Not even battleships yet except Amarr. Later Minmi perhaps. Make your EVEmon schedule and see what you need to fly those .. 50-60 mil SP for that stuff with T2. I'm getting 20mil with my Gallente skills mixed in.
Akira Samposeppa Gallente Arthashastra	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:32:00 - [53] Originally by: Kinta Huron I think character skill re-spec would be a better idea because the player has already earned the sp so he/she is just choosing to put it somewhere else, and it's not an instant win button like just buying sp. The only downfall with chracter skill re-spec is it can favor characters with a deep enough sp pool, depending on what the player actually wants to do. I think character re-spec is even worse than buying Sps. Because planning goes in your character development, like fitting a ship. What would you think if you can refit the ship with items in your cargo midwarp.
Oregin Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:38:00 - [54] Thought this troll was weeeaaa***. Until I saw all the replies!
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:39:00 - [55] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:38:57 Originally by: Thomas Orca Quote: Amarr, Caldari subcaps. Not even battleships yet except Amarr. Later Minmi perhaps. Make your EVEmon schedule and see what you need to fly those .. 50-60 mil SP for that stuff with T2. I'm getting 20mil with my Gallente skills mixed in. I'm at 25 mil, not even at battleships/large weapons. Don't forget drones, rigs, navigation, leadership, science .. it's a lot more than you think. Originally by: Akira Samposeppa I think character re-spec is even worse than buying Sps. Because planning goes in your character development, like fitting a ship. What would you think if you can refit the ship with items in your cargo midwarp. Yes imagine we could change our ship's fitting! OMG!! GAME BREAKING!!
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:45:00 - [56] Edited by: Pastachick on 27/06/2011 17:45:32 Originally by: Jaxom Asgard Originally by: Maul555 what is the point of working on a character for years anymore? So you can sell it on the Character Bizarre? Oh wait doesn't that cheapen it so there's no reason to play any more? Wait so your plan in eve is to skill-up characters then sell them ? Do you get satisfaction from rubbing your ass on sandpaper ?
Zwielichtseher	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:49:00 - [57] Me agrees with OP I would buy SP if i could.
Thomas Orca Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:51:00 - [58] Edited by: Thomas Orca on 27/06/2011 17:54:00 Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:38:57 I'm at 25 mil, not even at battleships/large weapons. Don't forget drones, rigs, navigation, leadership, science .. it's a lot more than you think. I actually included large ECM drones for **s and giggles, I suspect what you're doing wrong is training things that can stay at 4 to 5. Originally by:** Akira Samposeppa I think character re-spec is even worse than buying Sps. Because planning goes in your character development, like fitting a ship. What would you think if you can refit the ship with items in your cargo midwarp. Can you change fittings in warp when fleet warping with a carrier? never tried.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:14:00 - [59] Originally by: Pastachick Do you get satisfaction from rubbing your ass on sandpaper ? Whoa, what happens at my Viagra house parties is irrelevant to this discussion but consider yourself invited to the next big shindig....
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:25:00 - [60] Originally by: BrundleMeth Originally by: Pastachick Do you get satisfaction from rubbing your ass on sandpaper ? Whoa, what happens at my Viagra house parties is irrelevant to this discussion but consider yourself invited to the next big shindig.... Yes,um,how, wow.
Jeebus Cockmeister	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:31:00 - [61] Originally by: BrundleMeth Originally by: Pastachick Do you get satisfaction from rubbing your ass on sandpaper ? Whoa, what happens at my Viagra house parties is irrelevant to this discussion but consider yourself invited to the next big shindig.... Can I come ?
Kinta Huron Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:40:00 - [62] Originally by: Akira Samposeppa Originally by: Kinta Huron I think character skill re-spec would be a better idea because the player has already earned the sp so he/she is just choosing to put it somewhere else, and it's not an instant win button like just buying sp. The only downfall with chracter skill re-spec is it can favor characters with a deep enough sp pool, depending on what the player actually wants to do. I think character re-spec is even worse than buying Sps. Because planning goes in your character development, like fitting a ship. What would you think if you can refit the ship with items in your cargo midwarp. So what! I've put planning into my characters development for five **ing long years and maybe I want to do something else completely different now without having to pay CCP for a second account. It could take months even years to make a decent character, it's a part of EVE that turns people off, and not everyone has billions of ISK to buy a character from the Bazaar either. This game has become very stale over the years with so many other options closed because of the current system, having a character re-spec ability would keep things fresh while adding some much needed variety by allowing people to do something totally different without the inconvenient tedium of creating another character. So unlike you, I don't think that this is a bad idea and definately not worse than buying sp, and if you can't see the difference there, your an idiot. Btw, refitting a ship midwarp sounds **ing cool!
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Jeebus **meister Originally by: BrundleMeth Originally by: Pastachick Do you get satisfaction from rubbing your ass on sandpaper ? Whoa, what happens at my Viagra house parties is irrelevant to this discussion but consider yourself invited to the next big shindig.... Can I come ? The more the marrier....
ILikeMarkets	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:47:00 - [64] Edited by: ILikeMarkets on 27/06/2011 18:48:11 I would actually support an SP store as well. I wouldn't use it because A) I'm a broke college student B) My character is exactly where I want him, but it would give new chars a fighting chance. I like that. ESPECIALLY if that SP was limited to buying up to say 15 mil SP. Meaning if your toon has 15-20 mil SP total, you can't buy any.
Kinta Huron Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:58:00 - [65] Originally by: ILikeMarkets Edited by: ILikeMarkets on 27/06/2011 18:48:11 I would actually support an SP store as well. I wouldn't use it because A) I'm a broke college student B) My character is exactly where I want him, but it would give new chars a fighting chance. I like that. ESPECIALLY if that SP was limited to buying up to say 15 mil SP. Meaning if your toon has 15-20 mil SP total, you can't buy any. So you propose giving a total noob that knows ** all about this game a whopping 15-20 millon sp jump but, "Joe Dude" that's been playing for years get's on a stick eh? **ing phenomenal idea! /sarcasim
Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:58:00 - [66] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 17:38:57 Originally by: Thomas Orca Quote: Amarr, Caldari subcaps. Not even battleships yet except Amarr. Later Minmi perhaps. Make your EVEmon schedule and see what you need to fly those .. 50-60 mil SP for that stuff with T2. I'm getting 20mil with my Gallente skills mixed in. I'm at 25 mil, not even at battleships/large weapons. Don't forget drones, rigs, navigation, leadership, science .. it's a lot more than you think. I'm sitting at 37 mil now after just shy of 2 years I can fly all T1 ships save for those some Ammar and pirate/faction battleships. I can fly all T2 frigates other than Caldari, I am able to operate all T2 minmatar cruisers including Logistics at level 5, I am able to use T2 heavy drones and sentries. I have perfect cap skills and my tanking skills are all at 4 or 5. I can use pretty much every T2 non-weapon module that will fit on a sub-cap ship. and I'm 44 days from being able to use every T2 sub cap turret in the game. By the end of the year (assuming I'm still playing) I'll be able to use all T2 weapons system other than cruise missiles and will have finished being able to use every T1 sub cap in the game I'll also add BC5 and Gallente T2 and T3 cruisers and Caldari T2 frigates. This includes some fair leadership skills and cybernetics 5. Bear in mind I'm very unspecialized. My more focused mission running character had T2 large projectiles at around 25mil. Of course it sounds like you might be trying to spread things around a bit too much IMO. If you specialize down a particular path you'll fill it out much faster. Most the reason Skex took so long to really start filling out was because I insisted in laying a strong int/mem foundation but that was a choice I made a sacrifice in the beginning of my career to grant more flexibility down the line. A friend who plays is fully minmatar and Caldari specced at 29 mil including all T2 missiles and Large Projectiles. Quote: Originally by: Akira Samposeppa I think character re-spec is even worse than buying Sps. Because planning goes in your character development, like fitting a ship. What would you think if you can refit the ship with items in your cargo midwarp. Yes imagine we could change our ship's fitting! OMG!! GAME BREAKING!! Actually it kind of is. It eliminates the need to plan ahead what if you could instantly swap hardeners to what ever is optimal against a given opponent. You wouldn't have to make sacrifices in order to be prepared for a wide variety of circumstances. You won't need to decide whether you should fit that ECCM in case you run into a jammer or go with an extra invulnerability field. You'd just carry both around and put in what ever you need at a given moment. This sort of thing is game breaking because it eliminates the affects that various choices have on outcomes.
Prince Kobol	Posted - 2011.06.27 19:00:00 - [67] The only reason she has lots of money is because she lets daddy touch her special place
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.27 19:12:00 - [68] No. The old players with the deeper pockets will gain more from this than the newer players. A change however should not touch this balance more than it needs to be and this is clearly unnecessary as well as risky. It opens i.e. new ground for unbelievable heists like a player clearing a corporation's wallet only to use it to buy 50m SPs for its char. PvP would get uncool at such a point. --
Valkyria Caeli	Posted - 2011.06.27 20:11:00 - [69] Edited by: Valkyria Caeli on 27/06/2011 20:14:11 Interesting idea with the transferring of SP thing. Someone would have to spend the time running an active account to produce the SP and then CCP would be able to charge even more to transfer the SP to another character. And yet it wouldn't simply be an endless supply of SP coming from the vacuum of space. Not entirely unlike the isk that is bought with plex has to be made by someone. I don't know about the limits though. Not really fair for high SP people to not be able to get anything out of it. But it could also easily turn into a means for the very high sp characters to try to pull even further ahead. Of course, what would be the most fun would be the ability to take a character, that you plan to biomass of course, and be able to distill them (for an aurum charge) into a little bottle of concentrated SP that you can then sell on the market. Just macabre enough to fit nicely into the EVE universe I think.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.27 20:29:00 - [70] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/06/2011 20:34:47 SP for AUR discussion on skills subforum Originally by: Whitehound The old players with the deeper pockets will gain more from this than the newer players. A change however should not touch this balance more than it needs to be and this is clearly unnecessary as well as risky. Malcanis' Law eh? You mean Akita T would probably have 450 million Sp then tomorrow? Oh well - enable people to buy max 15 million SP a year. Enough to encourage them to keep waiting, not enough to make everything possible here and now. Making skilltraining speed to 5,000 SP/hour would also be agreeable too btw .. Originally by: Valkyria Caeli Of course, what would be the most fun would be the ability to take a character, that you plan to biomass of course, and be able to distill them (for an aurum charge) into a little bottle of concentrated SP that you can then sell on the market. Just macabre enough to fit nicely into the EVE universe I think. Heheh! I think I'd like it! ^^ Imagine getting shot when carrying a few of those bottles though! Originally by: ILikeMarkets I would actually support an SP store as well. I wouldn't use it because A) I'm a broke college student B) My character is exactly where I want him, but it would give new chars a fighting chance. I like that. ESPECIALLY if that SP was limited to buying up to say 15 mil SP. Meaning if your toon has 15-20 mil SP total, you can't buy any. Some boost would be good to encourage players and make them able to stand their ground a little easier. But I also want to be able to buy SP!!!
Irulan Corinno Caldari 714th SQN - Snowflakes	Posted - 2011.06.27 21:11:00 - [71] Originally by: Valkyria Caeli Interesting idea with the transferring of SP thing. Someone would have to spend the time running an active account to produce the SP and then CCP would be able to charge even more to transfer the SP to another character. And yet it wouldn't simply be an endless supply of SP coming from the vacuum of space. Not entirely unlike the isk that is bought with plex has to be made by someone. Of course, what would be the most fun would be the ability to take a character, that you plan to biomass of course, and be able to distill them (for an aurum charge) into a little bottle of concentrated SP that you can then sell on the market. Just macabre enough to fit nicely into the EVE universe I think. I'd like one of those bottles .. I could use a few extra SP!
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar Clan Hyena	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:01:00 - [72] Originally by: Kinta Huron So what! I've put planning into my characters development for five **ing long years and maybe I want to do something else completely different now without having to pay CCP for a second account. It could take months even years to make a decent character, it's a part of EVE that turns people off, and not everyone has billions of ISK to buy a character from the Bazaar either. This game has become very stale over the years with so many other options closed because of the current system, having a character re-spec ability would keep things fresh while adding some much needed variety by allowing people to do something totally different without the inconvenient tedium of creating another character. So unlike you, I don't think that this is a bad idea and definately not worse than buying sp, and if you can't see the difference there, your an idiot. Btw, refitting a ship midwarp sounds **ing cool! Wait wait wait... you'd make a second character just to train a different set of skills? Seriously? There's a reason you can train as much as you want in this game. Why train a new character when you can just train your existing character to do even more? I have 60M SP and I have a character that's actually extremely competent in combat for at least one race's equipment (half-way competent in two more), logistics, and even industry. I can very easily just train a few more skills and boom I'm an adept Mining Barge pilot, or a capable Merchant. That's the big advantage of this game- the ability to train however you bloody feel like it with one character, eventually becoming a master of quite a few trades so that if you do get bored with one profession, bam, you still have skills from another you can jump back into. But if you think it's important to start brand new characters on a regular basis, sure, whatever. People can play games however they want. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:26:00 - [73] Edited by: Whitehound on 27/06/2011 22:27:08 Originally by: Jennifer Starling Malcanis' Law eh? You mean Akita T would probably have 450 million Sp then tomorrow? Oh well - enable people to buy max 15 million SP a year. Enough to encourage them to keep waiting, not enough to make everything possible here and now. Making skilltraining speed to 5,000 SP/hour would also be agreeable too btw .. I am sure Akita T will give herself a good injection if it were possible, but it shall not be my point here. I will simply not play a game where my advancement depends on the amount of money I decide to pay to the game maker. Any game that does this becomes superficial, like a slot machine. And I do not play them, even when some players say that these have very complex mechanics, or that some people wear a smoking to it like they do in Las Vegas. I will simply not play it. --
Rayna Ravenoff	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:33:00 - [74] Originally by: Pastachick I mean look, Daddy's pretty rich and gives me his CC every now and then. I like usually spend 400$ a month just selling GTCs and buying SCs every 2 months and chars etc. Like ask me about my officer fit nightmare i mission in. No but seriously. Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. It's pretty awesome if they implement it xD +1 to you kid. Your daddy worked hard for his money and you deserve to fly that nightmare in a character with a cool name.
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.28 09:34:00 - [75] Originally by: Rayna Ravenoff Originally by: Pastachick I mean look, Daddy's pretty rich and gives me his CC every now and then. I like usually spend 400$ a month just selling GTCs and buying SCs every 2 months and chars etc. Like ask me about my officer fit nightmare i mission in. No but seriously. Would save time buying chars with silly names like xXxThed3str0y3rxXx. It's pretty awesome if they implement it xD +1 to you kid. Your daddy worked hard for his money and you deserve to fly that nightmare in a character with a cool name. Daddy wants best for his little angel :')
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:10:00 - [76] Originally by: Whitehound I will simply not play a game where my advancement depends on the amount of money I decide to pay to the game maker. But it already does. You payed more than I did. SP correlates very highly with amount of subscription payed. And that's not a coincidence.
Biscuit King Royal Court of Biscuit	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:15:00 - [77] In all honesty I wouldn't mind if it worked like the Re-Map system. You can purchase SP for plex once every 12 months for a maximum of 25% of the amount of skillpoints you earned in the 12 month period before. For example if between Jan 1st 2010 and Jan 1st 2011 you gained 20m SP on your account for X price you can pay to have another 5m SP in unallocated SP placed on your account. Would give a small reward to players that are activly subbed. My thoughts. King of all things Biscuit
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:18:00 - [78] Originally by: Mister Smithington 5/10. I would have said 3, but this Originally by: Pastachick Originally by: Kiran Would say your a t**t but they are useful. I also have the depth and warmth of one. made me laugh. Cool, that's pretty much what I was thinking while reading through the first couple of posts.. -
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:21:00 - [79] Edited by: Whitehound on 28/06/2011 10:22:02 Originally by: Jennifer Starling But it already does. You payed more than I did. SP correlates very highly with amount of subscription payed. And that's not a coincidence. I do not mean the SP advancement. I mean my advancement as a person. I pay a subscription so that we can get expansions and to keep the server running. I then play a game in my own time and it is a game about spaceships just as much as it is about people. Players, who have been with EVE longer than I have deserve an easier game, aka better skills. Not because they have paid CCP, but because of being part of this community who shaped this game. No one should be able to get an advantage like the older players just by paying CCP more money. If anyone then they need to pay us, the community. This is what actually happened with PLEX and why it finds support in the community. CCP allowed others to buy ISKs with real money, but in return did we get a free-to-play, which increased the community. --
Falbala Gallente Ishtar's Destiny	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:23:00 - [80] They could allow skill transfer like in Entropia (but more complicated because of prerequesites). Take away your Diplomacy 5 and sell it on market. Then someone buys it and plugs it in.
Snow29 Amarr RRRR KILL	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:29:00 - [81] i hate this idea as people have spend so many years building their characters up and then just some rich person use their credit card is bad. If they were to bring it in i would only accept one thing and that would be if they put a limit on SP u are allowed to buy up to for example can only buy if below 15 million sp and once hit 15 mill sp then no more can be bought and also cant get past 15 mill sp when buying it
Pastachick	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:45:00 - [82] Originally by: Snow29 i hate this idea as people have spend so many years building their characters up and then just some rich person use their credit card is bad. If they were to bring it in i would only accept one thing and that would be if they put a limit on SP u are allowed to buy up to for example can only buy if below 15 million sp and once hit 15 mill sp then no more can be bought and also cant get past 15 mill sp when buying it You should have left the game since they introduced the character bazaar.
Signal11th Versatech Co.	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:04:00 - [83] Edited by: Signal11th on 28/06/2011 12:04:34 Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: Thomas Orca Originally by: Jennifer Starling Even at 2700 SP/hour it takes years to be a little versatile. With 30 million SP I'm not even there and I still can't fit and fly most ships I already have for a year since I made a lot of money in my 1st 4 months. That's just stupid. Amarr, Caldari subcaps. Not even battleships yet except Amarr. Later Minmi perhaps. Make your EVEmon schedule and see what you need to fly those .. 50-60 mil SP for that stuff with T2. My God you talk some s h i t e.
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:08:00 - [84] Edited by: Solstice Project on 28/06/2011 12:11:34 New guys don't seem to want to grow up anymore. They want to be grown-ups as fast as possible. I can remember my early days from around end of 2009. I scrapped the tutorials, because i realized they are stupid. I scrapped missions, because i realized they are stupid. I googled and started reading guides for weeks and now can tell a target painter helps tracking for guns, while many in my (game)-age or even older still have no clue about most of mechanics and you get smacked if you say this. People lacking information often don't even realise it. I looked at the market and realized the money making potential. I started hauling and trading ... which got me podded in lowsec. Fun, tbh. ^^ ... It's not about bitter vets that want to keep an advantage, that's just so you have another argument, but it's bull**. Even if there are ppl like this, they are a minority. Problem is "instant gratification". Problem is the gap between new- and olds. Problem is, newer people just want to "play" and don't "work" or "care" for EvE or their character. It's a sandbox game. An open universe. A social ... whatever. A world to experience, explore and grow up in. It was always designed to be like this. This game actually never was intended for people who do not want to work for their character... who do not want to experience consequences and who want to do what they want to do, at the most efficient level, as soon as possible. It's a shame that many news just "want to have", but don't want to put something into it... except money, which doesn't really count as any effort in-game. "Growing up" is an essential part of the gaming experience, and those who are going through this will ALWAYS have an advantage above those news who buy SP or buy a char. And i'm talking about personality here, too. You people make me feel sad for you, because you look actually pretty stupid compared to those who have no problem in "building themselves up". Growing. Starting from the grounp. You guys are a cancer that's killing EvE. Just like the generation of players from a few years back, that demanded changes for the game compared to even earlier. Altough the changes back then didn't change the whole "experience". So ... you guys are even worse. And the next generation will be even more worse. Then you will be the "bitter vets" argueing against the new*s then. It'll only get worse, and worse, and worse, because nobody is stopping it. You'll see it happen, or the game dies before that already. Wish you'd be wiser today and not tomorrow. This thread is making me a sad panda. bye. I only have this account. I use a second char on this account, because i'm banned from highsec and i need that support.* i got plenty of SP in fighting, trading, hauling, producing. I never needed a second account, i just do what i want, when i want and it works great. My character is _developed_ and i'm proud of it, because it took quite some work ! The End.
Graugaard Minmatar Internacine	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:11:00 - [85] troll rate: 7/10 *sigh*
Zag'mar Jurkar	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:11:00 - [86] We may aswell give a 10m SP character as soon as you make a new one... NOT. bad idea.
handige harrie	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:13:00 - [87] if you want some circus mmorpg in which you do can do endgame, wow ---> <---rift
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:19:00 - [88] Originally by: handige harrie if you want some circus mmorpg in which you do can do endgame, wow ---> <---rift Exactly. This is Eve and it's different for a reason. That was always the case and that's why it's loved by it's playerbase. The change you demand changes the whole game. It's not EvE anymore then, but just "like all the other MMOs". We need to get rid of all the brainwashed instant gratification new***s. (look it up yourself if you don't get this) oh well ... glad that work is calling. o/
Solosky	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:19:00 - [89] I'd gladly purchase 1.5m SP for 3 PLEXes (or $45 - whatever) - Freighter IV could be handy. Also 3M SP for around $100 (Fighter Bombers V) - instead of 2 months of stupid waiting.
Lerner Caldari War Eagles United Technology Consortium	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:24:00 - [90] Edited by: Lerner on 28/06/2011 12:26:20 Edited by: Lerner on 28/06/2011 12:26:00 Edited by: Lerner on 28/06/2011 12:25:31 Being able to buy sp is bad mojo for the game. Well it does prove one thing. We are defninitly having a influx of dumbed down WoW players in the game screaming I want this now... whats next if you lose your your ship it gets respawned and you just fly your spirit er.......pod to your corpse er... nearest station to recover your ship?
Mary Astell	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:37:00 - [91] i dont mind buying SP. As long as all you guys cant!
DestroyRoid Caldari Paxton Industries	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:39:00 - [92] i support it, this isnt a game where you level up do to skill, its a matter of ****ing waiting. i am a 4 year old toon and i still dont have what i want
TomParad0x Caldari RogueNET	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:40:00 - [93] I'm all for adding different routes to gaining SP on characters, as long as they are well thought out and none of them involve real money of any kind aside from your standard monthly subscription. Such as actually using skills gives you SP in them (For instance, using large hybrids gives you gunnery SP in areas) Beyond that is stupid.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:43:00 - [94] Originally by: DestroyRoid i support it, this isnt a game where you level up do to skill, its a matter of ****ing waiting. i am a 4 year old toon and i still dont have what i want You can skill as much as you like, you are not getting a girlfriend. --

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Kara Kugisa	Posted - 2011.06.28 12:47:00 - [96] Well seeing as you can already buy a 20 million SP character for real life money in the bazar I don't see what the big deal would be in allowing people to buy SP. Takes away the challenge but you can achieve that shortcut legitimately already.
Just Lose	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:00:00 - [97] Edited by: Just Lose on 28/06/2011 13:03:29 nvm
Imok Aishai	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:03:00 - [98] Originally by: TomParad0x I'm all for adding different routes to gaining SP on characters, as long as they are well thought out and none of them involve real money of any kind aside from your standard monthly subscription. Such as actually using skills gives you SP in them (For instance, using large hybrids gives you gunnery SP in areas) Beyond that is stupid. Didn't EvE attempt something like this in beta? Problem with such system is that ppl will afk macro their skills up (like 2 passive tanked ships shooting each others). Personally I think something like being able to transfer SP to form skill booster which you could sell on market would be better, but limit it to like you could use one such skill boost per month. That way players with lot of SP in skills they don't need could get extra isk (+reduce clone cost) and if someone want boost in some skill they can buy one boost per month from market. To avoid trial account farming for skill boost they could limit ability sell skill points only to character with over 50mil skill points.
TomParad0x Caldari RogueNET	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:50:00 - [99] Originally by: Imok Aishai Originally by: TomParad0x I'm all for adding different routes to gaining SP on characters, as long as they are well thought out and none of them involve real money of any kind aside from your standard monthly subscription. Such as actually using skills gives you SP in them (For instance, using large hybrids gives you gunnery SP in areas) Beyond that is stupid. Didn't EvE attempt something like this in beta? Problem with such system is that ppl will afk macro their skills up (like 2 passive tanked ships shooting each others). Personally I think something like being able to transfer SP to form skill booster which you could sell on market would be better, but limit it to like you could use one such skill boost per month. That way players with lot of SP in skills they don't need could get extra isk (+reduce clone cost) and if someone want boost in some skill they can buy one boost per month from market. To avoid trial account farming for skill boost they could limit ability sell skill points only to character with over 50mil skill points. Could be used to respec in a way, though I don't really see a way to respec as a bad thing, honestly. Limit it to some degree, and put some restrictions on when and how much you can use it and the feature isn't bad. But yeah, basically something that doesn't involve money. Originally by: Kara Kugisa Well seeing as you can already buy a 20 million SP character for real life money in the bazar I don't see what the big deal would be in allowing people to buy SP. Takes away the challenge but you can achieve that shortcut legitimately already. Some one still had to train that character. Some one still put (X) SP worth of time into that character. Some one who has money shouldn't be able to achieve the same thing in a day. You make character farming useless. Though, the spam of people who have high SP characters and don't know how to use them would be entertaining.
Evenus Battuta	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:25:00 - [100] Edited by: Evenus Battuta on 28/06/2011 14:30:40 The reason why skills exist: 1.the game is not designed well enough to make players stay if don't hijack them with the skill system. CCP need to keep the players in illusion like "this game will turn to be fun if only I can fly XXX...". 2.possibly the econmy system in eve somehow need the low effciency work and the presence as weak preys of newbies(I am not sure of this,hopefully not true) Harms skill system will do: 1.Older guys also have advantage in real world but they will eventually die out, which will not happen in the game. As the game runs longer time, there will be less and less opportunities for the new and never be true equality(skills,territory,etc), newbies will surely get desperate and quit---- which you cannot blame----leaving only those pathetic self-called vet to ruin the atmosphere everywhere. 2.there will eventually a day that, there will be titans everywhere(somewhat already happened and CCP nerfed titan to single target damage),this maybe not bad,but truely silly. Here is an idea that may possibily make things a little better: A SKILL CAP, something like 20m points(human brain surely have limit), skill points exceeding this cap will need to take more and more expensive drugs all the time to maintance, eventually cause you to use alts and brings some hope of equality. exceeded skills on existing chars can be pooled and redistributed to other chars as to lower the damage to vets and make everyone happy. Also skills like titan operation will need specific drug which is absurdly expensive as only big legends can afford(maybe other side effect too like completely lost your body and cannot do any thing else). so as to limit the number of titans and make them remain symbolic power. And sp trade... since we are already doing it, why not do the favor of letting us do it without toleranting the silly name?Here is how to make character sellers also happy: don't let player buy sp came from nothing, only let them buy skills (not skill points) that is sold by others----a technolgy to extract skills from your brain and sell it on market, does this sounds cool?
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:30:00 - [101] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 28/06/2011 14:33:02 Originally by: Whitehound Players, who have been with EVE longer than I have deserve an easier game, aka better skills. Not because they have paid CCP, but because of being part of this community who shaped this game. No one should be able to get an advantage like the older players just by paying CCP more money. If anyone then they need to pay us, the community. This is what actually happened with PLEX and why it finds support in the community. CCP allowed others to buy ISKs with real money, but in return did we get a free-to-play, which increased the community. I really don't understand your "older players deserve an advantage forever" sentiment. And well "the EVE community" .. since I read that the average forum poster already plays for 3+ years and had at least 3 accounts at one time, I don't really believe anymore the average forum poster is even slightly representative for "the EVE community". Unless it's even worse than i think and EVE mainly consists out of bittervets with 5 accounts each .. Originally by: Evenus Battuta And sp trade... since we are already doing it, why not do the favor of letting us do it without toleranting the silly name?Here is how to make character sellers also happy: don't let player buy sp came from nothing, only let them buy skills (not skill points) that is sold by others----a technolgy to extract skills from your brain and sell it on market, does this sounds cool? Yes, many have suggested this already. I think it's a nice idea. This would actually be a way to make it viable and not disturb the "character bazaar" too much.
clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:19:00 - [102] Originally by: Jennifer Starling I really don't understand your "older players deserve an advantage forever" sentiment. You think I should have an everlasting advantage in guildwars because I played since beta? This thread is full with so much ****ing fail i don't even know where to begin. Let me put it plain and easy, there is only so much SP you allocate in a certain area. If your dedicated to your skill plan within reasonable time you have the EXACT same capabilities as an older character. Then it doesn't matter if you're a 1 year old or 8 year old character. Sure, the older player has more SP and is more versatile, but if you are willing to spend cash anyway, then use a second or third account. With "SP for $' you're totally ruining the game dynamics, in fact, PLEX for isk partly did that already.
Moro Oskold	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:04:00 - [103] Originally by: clixor Originally by: Jennifer Starling I really don't understand your "older players deserve an advantage forever" sentiment. You think I should have an everlasting advantage in guildwars because I played since beta? This thread is full with so much ****ing fail i don't even know where to begin. Let me put it plain and easy, there is only so much SP you allocate in a certain area. If your dedicated to your skill plan within reasonable time you have the EXACT same capabilities as an older character. Then it doesn't matter if you're a 1 year old or 8 year old character. Sure, the older player has more SP and is more versatile, but if you are willing to spend cash anyway, then use a second or third account. With "SP for $' you're totally ruining the game dynamics, in fact, PLEX for isk partly did that already. Just stop posting.
Plyn	Posted - 2011.06.28 18:06:00 - [104] At best, the fact we can trade chars already is an argument AGAINST being able to buy SP. Sounds like what the OP really wants is a way to buy a name-change with AUR. And if the name is the big f'ing problem, how come you aren't arguing for the name-change for cash option? ISSUE RESOLVED! PS: Arguing that the "vets" feel entitled because of their time in-game is a bad thing doesn't lend much credibility to your suggestions that people with cash out-of-game are entitled to anything they want. You can't fight entitlement with entitlement.

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