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Mary Astell
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:37:00 -
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i dont mind buying SP. As long as all you guys cant!
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DestroyRoid
Caldari Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:39:00 -
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i support it, this isnt a game where you level up do to skill, its a matter of ****ing waiting. i am a 4 year old toon and i still dont have what i want
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TomParad0x
Caldari RogueNET
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:40:00 -
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I'm all for adding different routes to gaining SP on characters, as long as they are well thought out and none of them involve real money of any kind aside from your standard monthly subscription. Such as actually using skills gives you SP in them (For instance, using large hybrids gives you gunnery SP in areas)
Beyond that is stupid.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: DestroyRoid i support it, this isnt a game where you level up do to skill, its a matter of ****ing waiting. i am a 4 year old toon and i still dont have what i want
You can skill as much as you like, you are not getting a girlfriend. --
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:45:00 -
[95]
Moved from General Discussion.
Navigator Lead Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Kara Kugisa
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:47:00 -
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Well seeing as you can already buy a 20 million SP character for real life money in the bazar I don't see what the big deal would be in allowing people to buy SP.
Takes away the challenge but you can achieve that shortcut legitimately already.
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Just Lose
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Just Lose on 28/06/2011 13:03:29 nvm
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Imok Aishai
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: TomParad0x I'm all for adding different routes to gaining SP on characters, as long as they are well thought out and none of them involve real money of any kind aside from your standard monthly subscription. Such as actually using skills gives you SP in them (For instance, using large hybrids gives you gunnery SP in areas)
Beyond that is stupid.
Didn't EvE attempt something like this in beta? Problem with such system is that ppl will afk macro their skills up (like 2 passive tanked ships shooting each others). Personally I think something like being able to transfer SP to form skill booster which you could sell on market would be better, but limit it to like you could use one such skill boost per month. That way players with lot of SP in skills they don't need could get extra isk (+reduce clone cost) and if someone want boost in some skill they can buy one boost per month from market. To avoid trial account farming for skill boost they could limit ability sell skill points only to character with over 50mil skill points.
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TomParad0x
Caldari RogueNET
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Imok Aishai
Originally by: TomParad0x I'm all for adding different routes to gaining SP on characters, as long as they are well thought out and none of them involve real money of any kind aside from your standard monthly subscription. Such as actually using skills gives you SP in them (For instance, using large hybrids gives you gunnery SP in areas)
Beyond that is stupid.
Didn't EvE attempt something like this in beta? Problem with such system is that ppl will afk macro their skills up (like 2 passive tanked ships shooting each others). Personally I think something like being able to transfer SP to form skill booster which you could sell on market would be better, but limit it to like you could use one such skill boost per month. That way players with lot of SP in skills they don't need could get extra isk (+reduce clone cost) and if someone want boost in some skill they can buy one boost per month from market. To avoid trial account farming for skill boost they could limit ability sell skill points only to character with over 50mil skill points.
Could be used to respec in a way, though I don't really see a way to respec as a bad thing, honestly. Limit it to some degree, and put some restrictions on when and how much you can use it and the feature isn't bad.
But yeah, basically something that doesn't involve money.
Originally by: Kara Kugisa Well seeing as you can already buy a 20 million SP character for real life money in the bazar I don't see what the big deal would be in allowing people to buy SP.
Takes away the challenge but you can achieve that shortcut legitimately already.
Some one still had to train that character. Some one still put (X) SP worth of time into that character. Some one who has money shouldn't be able to achieve the same thing in a day. You make character farming useless.
Though, the spam of people who have high SP characters and don't know how to use them would be entertaining.
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Evenus Battuta
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:25:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Evenus Battuta on 28/06/2011 14:30:40 The reason why skills exist:
1.the game is not designed well enough to make players stay if don't hijack them with the skill system. CCP need to keep the players in illusion like "this game will turn to be fun if only I can fly XXX...".
2.possibly the econmy system in eve somehow need the low effciency work and the presence as weak preys of newbies(I am not sure of this,hopefully not true)
Harms skill system will do:
1.Older guys also have advantage in real world but they will eventually die out, which will not happen in the game. As the game runs longer time, there will be less and less opportunities for the new and never be true equality(skills,territory,etc), newbies will surely get desperate and quit---- which you cannot blame----leaving only those pathetic self-called vet to ruin the atmosphere everywhere. 2.there will eventually a day that, there will be titans everywhere(somewhat already happened and CCP nerfed titan to single target damage),this maybe not bad,but truely silly.
Here is an idea that may possibily make things a little better:
A SKILL CAP, something like 20m points(human brain surely have limit), skill points exceeding this cap will need to take more and more expensive drugs all the time to maintance, eventually cause you to use alts and brings some hope of equality. exceeded skills on existing chars can be pooled and redistributed to other chars as to lower the damage to vets and make everyone happy.
Also skills like titan operation will need specific drug which is absurdly expensive as only big legends can afford(maybe other side effect too like completely lost your body and cannot do any thing else). so as to limit the number of titans and make them remain symbolic power.
And sp trade... since we are already doing it, why not do the favor of letting us do it without toleranting the silly name?Here is how to make character sellers also happy: don't let player buy sp came from nothing, only let them buy skills (not skill points) that is sold by others----a technolgy to extract skills from your brain and sell it on market, does this sounds cool?
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 28/06/2011 14:33:02
Originally by: Whitehound Players, who have been with EVE longer than I have deserve an easier game, aka better skills. Not because they have paid CCP, but because of being part of this community who shaped this game.
No one should be able to get an advantage like the older players just by paying CCP more money. If anyone then they need to pay us, the community.
This is what actually happened with PLEX and why it finds support in the community. CCP allowed others to buy ISKs with real money, but in return did we get a free-to-play, which increased the community.
I really don't understand your "older players deserve an advantage forever" sentiment.
And well "the EVE community" .. since I read that the average forum poster already plays for 3+ years and had at least 3 accounts at one time, I don't really believe anymore the average forum poster is even slightly representative for "the EVE community". Unless it's even worse than i think and EVE mainly consists out of bittervets with 5 accounts each ..
Originally by: Evenus Battuta And sp trade... since we are already doing it, why not do the favor of letting us do it without toleranting the silly name?Here is how to make character sellers also happy: don't let player buy sp came from nothing, only let them buy skills (not skill points) that is sold by others----a technolgy to extract skills from your brain and sell it on market, does this sounds cool?
Yes, many have suggested this already. I think it's a nice idea. This would actually be a way to make it viable and not disturb the "character bazaar" too much.
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clixor
Celluloid Gurus
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
I really don't understand your "older players deserve an advantage forever" sentiment. You think I should have an everlasting advantage in guildwars because I played since beta?
This thread is full with so much ****ing fail i don't even know where to begin.
Let me put it plain and easy, there is only so much SP you allocate in a certain area. If your dedicated to your skill plan within reasonable time you have the EXACT same capabilities as an older character. Then it doesn't matter if you're a 1 year old or 8 year old character.
Sure, the older player has more SP and is more versatile, but if you are willing to spend cash anyway, then use a second or third account.
With "SP for $' you're totally ruining the game dynamics, in fact, PLEX for isk partly did that already.
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Moro Oskold
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: clixor
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
I really don't understand your "older players deserve an advantage forever" sentiment. You think I should have an everlasting advantage in guildwars because I played since beta?
This thread is full with so much ****ing fail i don't even know where to begin.
Let me put it plain and easy, there is only so much SP you allocate in a certain area. If your dedicated to your skill plan within reasonable time you have the EXACT same capabilities as an older character. Then it doesn't matter if you're a 1 year old or 8 year old character.
Sure, the older player has more SP and is more versatile, but if you are willing to spend cash anyway, then use a second or third account.
With "SP for $' you're totally ruining the game dynamics, in fact, PLEX for isk partly did that already.
Just stop posting.
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Plyn
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:06:00 -
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At best, the fact we can trade chars already is an argument AGAINST being able to buy SP.
Sounds like what the OP really wants is a way to buy a name-change with AUR.
And if the name is the big f'ing problem, how come you aren't arguing for the name-change for cash option?
ISSUE RESOLVED!
PS: Arguing that the "vets" feel entitled because of their time in-game is a bad thing doesn't lend much credibility to your suggestions that people with cash out-of-game are entitled to anything they want. You can't fight entitlement with entitlement.
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