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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Macon Squaredealer They are playing semantic games. They have indicated that they want to go beyond vanity items and sell in game advantage while at the same time saying that what they're selling isn't P2W or some sort of "I win" button.
If you think about it, a PLEX is a non-vanity MT item too. In a similar vein, some other license item could let you play minigames. Maybe that's the direction in which they want to go with Incarna in the short term, make Incarna mt based while the space minigame remains as it is.
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Painpill
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:00:00 -
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Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?
1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn
2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.
**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?
I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 28/06/2011 20:00:51
Originally by: Doctor Garamond Trebuchet Can someone in icelandic say
"Please resign, you seem incapable of understanding why everyone is mad, the playerbase loves what they have created more than what ccp has created. You only poured the foundation, the players built the house."
...the house CCP is now selling out from under you.
They built the foundation.
The players built EVE.
And now its being broken up and sold off by CCP.
Without the players, those items have NO VALUE. You couldn't GIVE them away. Yet it is the same playerbase that CCP is now showing the door....
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Saving Face That just makes it worse. It means they will talk to anyone, just not their customers.
Originally by: Ban Doga This is totally out of context and CLEARLY proves the point that CCP does not have any plans for "gold ammo".
Again, it isn't at all relevant to what CCP will decide to do based on the CSM meeting. The CSM meeting itself is a conversation with customers.
Context, it boggles your mind.
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Painpill Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?
1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn
2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.
**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?
I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason
How do you know the translator isnt translating it precisely?
How do you know the exact meanings arent being conveyed precisely?
The article is very clear.
CSM are a joke. They will be used as a means of FORCING the playerbase to LIKE P2W.
CCP is NOT concerned with the playerbase leaving.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Again, it isn't at all relevant to what CCP will decide to do based on the CSM meeting. The CSM meeting itself is a conversation with customers.
No, it's not. It's a conversation with a handful of drinking buddies of the developers while the majority of customers will not even be allowed to read all of what they discuss due to the NDA.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Painpill 1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn
Oh reallyà How so? ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 28/06/2011 20:05:22
Originally by: Saving Face
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Again, it isn't at all relevant to what CCP will decide to do based on the CSM meeting. The CSM meeting itself is a conversation with customers.
No, it's not. It's a conversation with a handful of drinking buddies of the developers while the majority of customers will not even be allowed to read all of what they discuss due to the NDA.
If you feel that way about CSM, don't vote for them. I don't.
Or better yet, quit EVE. No one is keeping you here.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Saving Face That just makes it worse. It means they will talk to anyone, just not their customers.
Originally by: Ban Doga This is totally out of context and CLEARLY proves the point that CCP does not have any plans for "gold ammo".
Again, it isn't at all relevant to what CCP will decide to do based on the CSM meeting. The CSM meeting itself is a conversation with customers.
Context, it boggles your mind.
Hey, don't forget the smileys - the context and all.
But seriously, you got the wrong tense in your sentence: it isn't at all relevant to what CCP decided to do based on the CSM meeting
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Stormchyld
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Saving Face
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Again, it isn't at all relevant to what CCP will decide to do based on the CSM meeting. The CSM meeting itself is a conversation with customers.
No, it's not. It's a conversation with a handful of drinking buddies of the developers while the majority of customers will not even be allowed to read all of what they discuss due to the NDA.
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Talsha Talamar
Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Talsha Talamar If you do not see the problem, then I am at a loss here. ... So CCP sees the need to talk to one of their most relevant national media, while refusing to talk to its playerbase about the same subject ?
I see the problem, but MBL isn't exactly PC Gamer, BBC, or EVE Online forums. In fact, subscription rates for MBL dropped drastically when the former Icelandic PM Geir Haarde took over as editor-in-chief.
So when it comes to communicating to the customers what the new strategy is going to be based on the CSM meeting, this article is not relevant at all. It's just a simple piece for the business section of MBL. One, I would add, probably doesn't get read much by those outside the Icelandic Independence Party (but then we get into politics).
I have full understanding for a companies need to communicate to its relevant publics and media.
Yet in the current situation, after they issued the communication block, they should have put that interview into context and provided an English translation.
As it is now, its simply an occult event that proved the currently perceived dissonance between CCPs words and acts.
A simple devpost would have been enough, to turn that interview into a neutral or even constructive act:
"Just writing to keep you informed. We were asked by one of the major icelandic newspapers for a statement about the current situation. In light of the upcoming CSM-Meeting we tried to be minimalistic and stick to our view of the facts. You can read it here and find a translation provided there."
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Amanda Maricadie
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
Originally by: Painpill Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?
1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn
2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.
**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?
I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason
How do you know the translator isnt translating it precisely?
How do you know the exact meanings arent being conveyed precisely?
The article is very clear.
CSM are a joke. They will be used as a means of FORCING the playerbase to LIKE P2W.
CCP is NOT concerned with the playerbase leaving.
lol u might want to rephrase that as "CCP is not concerned with the OLD player base leaving" because they will get a new one...one willing to pay to win
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:09:00 -
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Should fire this particular dumbass.
If he's the driving force of their new market ideas, he didn't study gaming history and they'll be dead before end of the year, they don't have the pockets of SOE to keep themselves alive for 6 years after the event.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda If you feel that way about CSM, don't vote for them. I don't.
Or better yet, quit EVE. No one is keeping you here.
That's not how it works. I paid for a subscription so I will do whatever I think I can do in order to actually get to play the game that I paid for when I handed over the money.
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Speaker4 theDead
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Cortez "Great dissatisfaction among the players seem to be the price of these products. John says that these things can have the same value for the customers as things in real life and why are these things to sell at the same price."
SOMEBODY IS SMOKING DOPE
I am, but wtf does that have to do with it??? So they want to charge the same price as you pay for designer jeans for virtual ones?
But when you buy a pair of Designer jeans, and walk out of the store, you own them. Virtual items are the property of CCP, and do not "Belong" to the customer. So in essense, you are not "Buying" anything, more like your renting it...with no guarentee of how long you will continue to hold onto it.
I'd say they have simply snorted too much Quafe.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Amanda Maricadie lol u might want to rephrase that as "CCP is not concerned with the OLD player base leaving" because they will get a new one...one willing to pay to win
Wasn't that what SOE tried? --------
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Saving Face That's not how it works. I paid for a subscription so I will do whatever I think I can do in order to actually get to play the game that I paid for when I handed over the money.
I did not say your opinion was invalid. I was implying that there's no need to get e-angry over internet pixels. I actually share a couple of sentiments about the CSM, which is why I don't vote for them. At the same time, I don't believe that calling them over is an empty gesture, nor do I believe the MBL article has any bearing on CCP's communication practices, because it's such a narrow audience.
Originally by: Talsha Talamar Yet in the current situation, after they issued the communication block, they should have put that interview into context and provided an English translation.
As it is now, its simply an occult event that proved the currently perceived dissonance between CCPs words and acts.
A simple devpost would have been enough, to turn that interview into a neutral or even constructive act:
"Just writing to keep you informed. We were asked by one of the major icelandic newspapers for a statement about the current situation. In light of the upcoming CSM-Meeting we tried to be minimalistic and stick to our view of the facts. You can read it here and find a translation provided there."
That seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Originally by: Ban Doga Hey, don't forget the smileys - the context and all.
But seriously, you got the wrong tense in your sentence: it isn't at all relevant to what CCP decided to do based on the CSM meeting
This, however, doesn't.
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Brother Todd
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
Originally by: Painpill Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?
1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn
2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.
**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?
I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason
How do you know the translator isnt translating it precisely?
How do you know the exact meanings arent being conveyed precisely?
The article is very clear.
CSM are a joke. They will be used as a means of FORCING the playerbase to LIKE P2W.
CCP is NOT concerned with the playerbase leaving.
I can answer some of that.
I know the translation is poor because I speak Icelandic. It is extremely poor. It actually makes no sense at all and it certainly isn't 'very clear' as you say.
The article actually states that P2W is not and never has been considered an option. He even flat out states that the game will never be P2W. And he says that he doesn't think players will leave (because they are reacting to something that isn't happening), not that they don't care if they leave.
You'll of course find none of this in the translated article, because it's a ****ing google-translated article. Do you also take youtube captions seriously? |
Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 28/06/2011 20:22:35
You know, in all honesty, they could come straight out and say "There will never be non-vanity items in EVE", and the inevitable response on these forums would be "Look! It is now inevitable that it will happen. The did not say never EVER!!!"
Really, grow up people.
Bio mass yourselves now and put us out of your misery.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda I was implying that there's no need to get e-angry over internet pixels.
I'm not angry. They gave us a week to calm down and if we actually do that, they will interpret that as strengthening their position. I don't know if the emergency meeting is an empty gesture or not but I believe I'm not too far off when I say that it will go better if we're not as easily distracted as they might want.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Saving Face That's not how it works. I paid for a subscription so I will do whatever I think I can do in order to actually get to play the game that I paid for when I handed over the money.
I did not say your opinion was invalid. I was implying that there's no need to get e-angry over internet pixels. I actually share a couple of sentiments about the CSM, which is why I don't vote for them. At the same time, I don't believe that calling them over is an empty gesture, nor do I believe the MBL article has any bearing on CCP's communication practices, because it's such a narrow audience.
That seems somewhat confused. That article has no bearing on CCP's communication practices, it is CPP's communication practice.
It isn't about how small or large the audience is (just as much as it isn't about whether they sell monocles or top hats) it's about that they do it, it's about how they do it. They tell us "let's wait till the meeting" and then turn around and talk to a local newspaper. That's really shortsighted and incredibly naive. In a situation like this you can expect that someone will find an article about CCP on a website.
You can however continue to use your euphemism and try to spin this into something minor. In CCP's books it's real money and real reputation that's at stake.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1 You know, in all honesty, they could come straight out and say "There will never be non-vanity items in EVE", and the inevitable response on these forums would beà
“àthat's what you said last time, and it wasn't true then, so why should we believe you now?” ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Amanda Maricadie lol u might want to rephrase that as "CCP is not concerned with the OLD player base leaving" because they will get a new one...one willing to pay to win
Wasn't that what SOE tried?
Yes they did.
Most EVE veterans that joined eve late 2005/early 2006 came from SWG. Tripling the population in less than 90 days back then. Those are some of the ardent supporters of EVE and the ones that'll help burn her to the ground just like they did SOE and SWG.
There is a fine line between love and hate. Cross it and quickly all the energy of love that was poured into a game becomes hate.
I'm still hoping something good will come of the CSM meeting. However if CCP repeats SOE's mistakes they'll burn just the same there's nothing that can be done. Ultimately its in CCP's ballpark, they've angered their customers and if they can't repair that quickly they'll be in serious trouble.
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Mutnin
Amarr Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:27:00 -
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Jesus how arrogant are the higher ups @ CCP?
Quote: Great dissatisfaction among the players seem to be the price of these products. John says that these things can have the same value for the customers as things in real life and why are these things to sell at the same price.
They just don't seem to get it. If they don't even get that their prices are absolutely insane, specifically in a non F2P game, well having them "get the point" about pay2win will likely be a crap shot in the dark.
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Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Talsha Talamar
So CCP sees the need to talk to one of their most relevant national media, while refusing to talk to its playerbase about the same subject ?
this. ROFL.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia ôàthat's what you said last time, and it wasn't true then, so why should we believe you now?ö
That's their own damn fault. I do think that most people would actually accept it (or fall for it, if your're a cynic).
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Todd
I know the translation is poor because I speak Icelandic. It is extremely poor. It actually makes no sense at all and it certainly isn't 'very clear' as you say.
Would you be willing to do a translation?
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Caladan Broood
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:32:00 -
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Keeping this bumped to top so people can see what CCP thinks about paying customers. We're only food for the moderators to nuke while CCP tries to do press damage control. //Waiting for sub to end, not even motivated to log in and change training queue |
Miagi Sans
Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Todd
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
Originally by: Painpill Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?
1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn
2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.
**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?
I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason
How do you know the translator isnt translating it precisely?
How do you know the exact meanings arent being conveyed precisely?
The article is very clear.
CSM are a joke. They will be used as a means of FORCING the playerbase to LIKE P2W.
CCP is NOT concerned with the playerbase leaving.
I can answer some of that.
I know the translation is poor because I speak Icelandic. It is extremely poor. It actually makes no sense at all and it certainly isn't 'very clear' as you say.
The article actually states that P2W is not and never has been considered an option. He even flat out states that the game will never be P2W. And he says that he doesn't think players will leave (because they are reacting to something that isn't happening), not that they don't care if they leave.
You'll of course find none of this in the translated article, because it's a ****ing google-translated article. Do you also take youtube captions seriously?
glad there is a rational thought in this thread....
thank you.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ban Doga They tell us "let's wait till the meeting" and then turn around and talk to a local newspaper.
I'm wrapping up a Bachelors in Media Studies, so bear with me.
CCP doesn't have good communication practices. No one is disagreeing on that point. This isn't relevant to the games industry and players, however. In that article with a city newspaper, the COO of one the biggest employers in Reykjavik has the task of assuring the local public (that cares about jobs and the economy, not necessarily the game) that the company slipped up but is communicating with customers and will continue to look at all income strategies. Jon says (in translation, which is massively muddled, remember) that they cannot comment on which strategy they will take for EVE, which coincides perfectly with Zulu's blog.
No, considering the very few subscribers MBL has and the fact that the economy is #1 issue for Icelanders, I don't see the problem at all.
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