Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

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Not really, I'm sure that "olli=" is not English.

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Originally by: Tom Gerard

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Another iteration of the new CCP slogan "We just don't give a ****"

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Originally by: Care Bear King

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John says that the games production as CCP can not bring such a statement, but asserts that it will never be able to buy a victory in EVE Online, designed to be both..

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Originally by: So Sensational

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"John says that the games production as CCP can not bring such a statement, but asserts that it will never be able to buy a victory in EVE Online"

Because when you add your non-vanity items you'll balance it properly like you did with... Oh no wait.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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I am Cornholio! I need olli= for my bunghole!

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Originally by: Care Bear King

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...
The third issue that has a lot of anger olli= players is that they require management to certify that the CCP will not be able to buy practical things, "functional" with money in the future, so people will be able to buy a victory.
...
John says that the games production as CCP can not bring such a statement, but asserts that it will never be able to buy a victory in EVE Online, designed to be both.
...
John does not particularly concerned that many people will quit playing the game because of changes in product mix in the game."

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SOMEBODY IS SMOKING DOPE

Originally by: Katrina Cortez

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"Great dissatisfaction among the players seem to be the price of these products. John says that these things can have the same value for the customers as things in real life and why are these things to sell at the same price."

SOMEBODY IS SMOKING DOPE

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Originally by: Katrina Cortez

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"Great dissatisfaction among the players seem to be the price of these products. John says that these things can have the same value for the customers as things in real life and why are these things to sell at the same price."

SOMEBODY IS SMOKING DOPE

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Originally by: Miilla

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Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 18:20:21

Everybody go to the failheap challenge CSM poll thread and vote YES for all game changing MT's.

Make them burn even more.

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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

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Come on guys, wait until after the CSM thingie, we gave them that

but when that is over

REVENGE WILL BE SWEET AND RAGE WILL REIGN

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Originally by: Nullity

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Edited by: Nullity on 28/06/2011 18:23:53

Originally by: Katrina Cortez

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"Great dissatisfaction among the players seem to be the price of these products. John says that these things can have the same value for the customers as things in real life and why are these things to sell at the same price."

SOMEBODY IS SMOKING DOPE

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Back to the damn pants analogy. CCP is beyond crazy at this point.

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Originally by: Apollo Gabriel

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Originally by: Nullity

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Edited by: Nullity on 28/06/2011 18:23:53

Originally by: Katrina Cortez

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"Great dissatisfaction among the players seem to be the price of these products. John says that these things can have the same value for the customers as things in real life and why are these things to sell at the same price."

SOMEBODY IS SMOKING DOPE

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Back to the damn pants analogy. CCP is beyond crazy at this point.

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I've seen almost NO comments actually *****ing as to the price, perhaps they really expected it, and therefore can't get it out of their minds. maybe people are saying that when they unsub, but how the **** does that keep coming up?

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Jerry said that the players will be able to play EVE Online as before where the only things for sale will be decorative and not essential. Been to give people the freedom to trade goods for their characters in EVE.

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Quote:

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The third issue that has a lot of anger olli= players is that they require management to certify that the CCP will not be able to buy practical things, "functional" with money in the future, so people will be able to buy a victory.
Democratically elected counsel will meet this week

John says that the games production as CCP can not bring such a statement, but asserts that it will never be able to buy a victory in EVE Online, designed to be both.

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Whats more, they are absolutely going to throw PLEX in our faces.

"Youve already been P2Win via plex. You buy Plex, convert to ISK, buy Ship and WIN."

Guaranteed this gets thrown in our faces.

Ultimately, there is no Contract. People can come and go as they please.

Introduce P2W and people are leaving. At this point, they are just trying to hide it long enough a few dollars are brought in and the next crapsion is released.

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Originally by: Nullity

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Whats more, they are absolutely going to throw PLEX in our faces.

"Youve already been P2Win via plex. You buy Plex, convert to ISK, buy Ship and WIN."

Guaranteed this gets thrown in our faces.

Ultimately, there is no Contract. People can come and go as they please.

Introduce P2W and people are leaving. At this point, they are just trying to hide it long enough a few dollars are brought in and the next crapsion is released.

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Hilmar already did throw that in our face on Twitter.

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Originally by: Othran

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If I was on the CSM I think I'd be cancelling the flight - you're being summoned to decide "how to present" MTs.

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Originally by: Nullity

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Whats more, they are absolutely going to throw PLEX in our faces.

"Youve already been P2Win via plex. You buy Plex, convert to ISK, buy Ship and WIN."

Guaranteed this gets thrown in our faces.

Ultimately, there is no Contract. People can come and go as they please.

Introduce P2W and people are leaving. At this point, they are just trying to hide it long enough a few dollars are brought in and the next crapsion is released.

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Hilmar already did throw that in our face on Twitter.

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Originally by: Jail Baiter

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I feel a dust boycott coming on

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Originally by: Nullity

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Whats more, they are absolutely going to throw PLEX in our faces.

"Youve already been P2Win via plex. You buy Plex, convert to ISK, buy Ship and WIN."

Guaranteed this gets thrown in our faces.

Ultimately, there is no Contract. People can come and go as they please.

Introduce P2W and people are leaving. At this point, they are just trying to hide it long enough a few dollars are brought in and the next crapsion is released.

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Hilmar already did throw that in our face on Twitter.

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What did he say on Twitter?

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Rotosequence: @HilmarVeigar I'd desperately love to see this promise made to all players of EVE Online. bit.ly/ifOOEU #tweetfleet

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Hilmar Veigar @ @Rotosequence Should we then remove PLEX?

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Originally by: Tom Gerard

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Another iteration of the new CCP slogan "We just don't give a ****"

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Originally by: Eclorc

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Edited by: Eclorc on 28/06/2011 18:31:29
to be fair he does say this first

Quote:

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Jerry said that the players will be able to play EVE Online as before where the only things for sale will be decorative and not essential. Been to give people the freedom to trade goods for their characters in EVE.

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Originally by: Katrina Cortez

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I am just wondering how deep a hole these guys can dig...

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Originally by: Nullity

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Wait, vote "yes"? I don't understand...

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Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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Originally by: Nullity

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Wait, vote "yes"? I don't understand...

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Milla is counter trolling for fun. Too much coffee or something. :)

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Originally by: Katrina Cortez

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I am just wondering how deep a hole these guys can dig...

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Originally by: Elrica bloodbane

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BACK TO WORK MONUMENT TO BURN

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Originally by: quite cute kinda

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CCP ZULU: Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.

Way to go guys, you couldn't even wait until the csm meeting.

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Originally by: Talsha Talamar

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So CCP refuses any communication to its playerbase till after the CSM-Summit,
but they talk to some irrelevant website ?

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Originally by: Amanda Maricadie

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its simple the bottom line....MT sales will be greater than subscription sales....this happened to other games i played....eventually it will be 20% content update and 80% MT updates,

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Originally by: Saving Face

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Originally by: Talsha Talamar

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So CCP refuses any communication to its playerbase till after the CSM-Summit,
but they talk to some irrelevant website ?

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I think the translation isn't particularly good or even close to what he said, but this point still stands.

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Originally by: Katrina Cortez

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I am just wondering how deep a hole these guys can dig...

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Originally by: Anon Forumalt6858

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Originally by: Katrina Cortez

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I am just wondering how deep a hole these guys can dig...

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CCP is just trying to help the Icelandic economy. They're doing their part digging in hopes of reaching Japan. Once the hole is complete, they'll have a direct pipeline to the supplier of the $1000 jeans they love so much.

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Saving Face

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Originally by: Talsha Talamar

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So CCP refuses any communication to its playerbase till after the CSM-Summit,
but they talk to some irrelevant website ?

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I think the translation isn't particularly good or even close to what he said, but this point still stands.

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Exactly, why is everyone up in arms when Google Translate obviously cannot handle Icelandic very well at all?

MBL is not irrelevant by the way, it's one of two (technically three) large papers in Iceland.

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Originally by: CCP Zulu

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Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.

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Originally by: Amanda Maricadie

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its simple the bottom line....MT sales will be greater than subscription sales....this happened to other games i played....eventually it will be 20% content update and 80% MT updates, they will eventually sell a host full of stuff in their little "cash shop" including 2x SP boost and other things....well this will happened if they go with the current business models of other MMORPG games

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Erm... in short I'd say a few key points are

"The game will never become P2W"

"Both Fearless and Hilmar's e-mail have been taken out of context and mixed up even though they deal with essentially two seperate issues"

"The CSM is being brought in to help define what the players want/don't want out of MT's in EVE and we'll make further statements after that"

"I don't think too many people will quit due to this" (clearly implying that he thinks the players will not be dissatisfied with the outcome of the CSM meeting - not not that they aren't dissatisfied now)

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Originally by: Minsc

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short summary from SHC:

Quote:

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Erm... in short I'd say a few key points are

"The game will never become P2W"

"Both Fearless and Hilmar's e-mail have been taken out of context and mixed up even though they deal with essentially two seperate issues"

"The CSM is being brought in to help define what the players want/don't want out of MT's in EVE and we'll make further statements after that"

"I don't think too many people will quit due to this" (clearly implying that he thinks the players will not be dissatisfied with the outcome of the CSM meeting - not not that they aren't dissatisfied now)

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Let's not fire up the pitchforks and torches just yet.

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Originally by: Evalon Fury

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Originally by: Minsc

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short summary from SHC:

Quote:

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Erm... in short I'd say a few key points are

"The game will never become P2W"

"Both Fearless and Hilmar's e-mail have been taken out of context and mixed up even though they deal with essentially two seperate issues"

"The CSM is being brought in to help define what the players want/don't want out of MT's in EVE and we'll make further statements after that"

"I don't think too many people will quit due to this" (clearly implying that he thinks the players will not be dissatisfied with the outcome of the CSM meeting - not not that they aren't dissatisfied now)

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Let's not fire up the pitchforks and torches just yet.

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Why not?

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Originally by: Minsc

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Because a terrible babelfish translation is not an accurate piece of info to go on. Believe me if the CSM comes back with anything less than "No game-effecting MT's ever" I'm right at the front of the line for the lynch mob.

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Originally by: Talsha Talamar

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If you do not see the problem, then I am at a loss here. ... So CCP sees the need to talk to one of their most relevant national media, while refusing to talk to its playerbase about the same subject ?

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Originally by: Minsc

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short summary from SHC:

Quote:

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Erm... in short I'd say a few key points are

"The game will never become P2W"

"Both Fearless and Hilmar's e-mail have been taken out of context and mixed up even though they deal with essentially two seperate issues"

"The CSM is being brought in to help define what the players want/don't want out of MT's in EVE and we'll make further statements after that"

"I don't think too many people will quit due to this" (clearly implying that he thinks the players will not be dissatisfied with the outcome of the CSM meeting - not not that they aren't dissatisfied now)

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Let's not fire up the pitchforks and torches just yet.

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Originally by: Minsc

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short summary from SHC:

Quote:

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Erm... in short I'd say a few key points are

"The game will never become P2W"

"Both Fearless and Hilmar's e-mail have been taken out of context and mixed up even though they deal with essentially two seperate issues"

"The CSM is being brought in to help define what the players want/don't want out of MT's in EVE and we'll make further statements after that"

"I don't think too many people will quit due to this" (clearly implying that he thinks the players will not be dissatisfied with the outcome of the CSM meeting - not not that they aren't dissatisfied now)

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Let's not fire up the pitchforks and torches just yet.

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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I see the problem, but MBL isn't exactly PC Gamer, BBC, or EVE Online forums. In fact, subscription rates for MBL dropped drastically when the former Icelandic PM Geir Haarde took over as editor-in-chief.

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Talsha Talamar

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If you do not see the problem, then I am at a loss here. ... So CCP sees the need to talk to one of their most relevant national media, while refusing to talk to its playerbase about the same subject ?

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I see the problem, but MBL isn't exactly PC Gamer, BBC, or EVE Online forums. In fact, subscription rates for MBL dropped drastically when the former Icelandic PM Geir Haarde took over as editor-in-chief.

So when it comes to communicating to the customers what the new strategy is going to be based on the CSM meeting, this article is not relevant at all. It's just a simple piece for the business section of MBL. One, I would add, probably doesn't get read much by those outside the Icelandic Independence Party (but then we get into politics).

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Originally by: Macon Squaredealer

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They are playing semantic games. They have indicated that they want to go beyond vanity items and sell in game advantage while at the same time saying that what they're selling isn't P2W or some sort of "I win" button.

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Originally by: Doctor Garamond Trebuchet

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Can someone in icelandic say

"Please resign, you seem incapable of understanding why everyone is mad, the playerbase loves what they have created more than what ccp has created. You only poured the foundation, the players built the house."

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Originally by: Saving Face

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That just makes it worse. It means they will talk to anyone, just not their customers.

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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This is totally out of context and CLEARLY proves the point that CCP does not have any plans for "gold ammo".

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Originally by: Painpill

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Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?

1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn

2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.

**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?

I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Again, it isn't at all relevant to what CCP will decide to do based on the CSM meeting. The CSM meeting itself is a conversation with customers.

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Originally by: Painpill

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1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn

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Originally by: Saving Face

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Again, it isn't at all relevant to what CCP will decide to do based on the CSM meeting. The CSM meeting itself is a conversation with customers.

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No, it's not. It's a conversation with a handful of drinking buddies of the developers while the majority of customers will not even be allowed to read all of what they discuss due to the NDA.

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Saving Face

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That just makes it worse. It means they will talk to anyone, just not their customers.

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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This is totally out of context and CLEARLY proves the point that CCP does not have any plans for "gold ammo".

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Again, it isn't at all relevant to what CCP will decide to do based on the CSM meeting. The CSM meeting itself is a conversation with customers.

Context, it boggles your mind.

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Originally by: Saving Face

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Again, it isn't at all relevant to what CCP will decide to do based on the CSM meeting. The CSM meeting itself is a conversation with customers.

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No, it's not. It's a conversation with a handful of drinking buddies of the developers while the majority of customers will not even be allowed to read all of what they discuss due to the NDA.

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Talsha Talamar

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If you do not see the problem, then I am at a loss here. ... So CCP sees the need to talk to one of their most relevant national media, while refusing to talk to its playerbase about the same subject ?

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I see the problem, but MBL isn't exactly PC Gamer, BBC, or EVE Online forums. In fact, subscription rates for MBL dropped drastically when the former Icelandic PM Geir Haarde took over as editor-in-chief.

So when it comes to communicating to the customers what the new strategy is going to be based on the CSM meeting, this article is not relevant at all. It's just a simple piece for the business section of MBL. One, I would add, probably doesn't get read much by those outside the Icelandic Independence Party (but then we get into politics).

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Originally by: Painpill

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Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?

1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn

2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.

**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?

I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason

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How do you know the translator isnt translating it precisely?

How do you know the exact meanings arent being conveyed precisely?

The article is very clear.

CSM are a joke. They will be used as a means of FORCING the playerbase to LIKE P2W.

CCP is NOT concerned with the playerbase leaving.

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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If you feel that way about CSM, don't vote for them. I don't.

Or better yet, quit EVE. No one is keeping you here.

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Originally by: Katrina Cortez

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"Great dissatisfaction among the players seem to be the price of these products. John says that these things can have the same value for the customers as things in real life and why are these things to sell at the same price."

SOMEBODY IS SMOKING DOPE

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Originally by: Amanda Maricadie

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lol u might want to rephrase that as "CCP is not concerned with the OLD player base leaving" because they will get a new one...one willing to pay to win

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Originally by: Saving Face

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That's not how it works. I paid for a subscription so I will do whatever I think I can do in order to actually get to play the game that I paid for when I handed over the money.

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Originally by: Talsha Talamar

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Yet in the current situation, after they issued the communication block,
they should have put that interview into context and provided an English translation.

As it is now, its simply an occult event that proved the currently perceived dissonance between CCPs words and acts.

A simple devpost would have been enough,
to turn that interview into a neutral or even constructive act:

"Just writing to keep you informed.
We were asked by one of the major icelandic newspapers
for a statement about the current situation.
In light of the upcoming CSM-Meeting
we tried to be minimalistic and stick to our view of the facts.
You can read it here and find a translation provided there."

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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Hey, don't forget the smileys - the context and all.

But seriously, you got the wrong tense in your sentence:
it isn't at all relevant to what CCP decided to do based on the CSM meeting

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Originally by: Painpill

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Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?

1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn

2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.

**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?

I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason

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How do you know the translator isnt translating it precisely?

How do you know the exact meanings arent being conveyed precisely?

The article is very clear.

CSM are a joke. They will be used as a means of FORCING the playerbase to LIKE P2W.

CCP is NOT concerned with the playerbase leaving.

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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I was implying that there's no need to get e-angry over internet pixels.

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Saving Face

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That's not how it works. I paid for a subscription so I will do whatever I think I can do in order to actually get to play the game that I paid for when I handed over the money.

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I did not say your opinion was invalid. I was implying that there's no need to get e-angry over internet pixels. I actually share a couple of sentiments about the CSM, which is why I don't vote for them. At the same time, I don't believe that calling them over is an empty gesture, nor do I believe the MBL article has any bearing on CCP's communication practices, because it's such a narrow audience.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You know, in all honesty, they could come straight out and say "There will never be non-vanity items in EVE", and the inevitable response on these forums would beà

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Originally by: Amanda Maricadie

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lol u might want to rephrase that as "CCP is not concerned with the OLD player base leaving" because they will get a new one...one willing to pay to win

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Wasn't that what SOE tried?

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Quote:

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Great dissatisfaction among the players seem to be the price of these products. John says that these things can have the same value for the customers as things in real life and why are these things to sell at the same price.

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Originally by: Talsha Talamar

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So CCP sees the need to talk to one of their most relevant national media,
while refusing to talk to its playerbase about the same subject ?

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Originally by: Tippia

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ôàthat's what you said last time, and it wasn't true then, so why should we believe you now?ö

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Originally by: Brother Todd

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I know the translation is poor because I speak Icelandic. It is extremely poor. It actually makes no sense at all and it certainly isn't 'very clear' as you say.

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Originally by: Brother Todd

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Originally by: Painpill

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Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?

1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn

2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.

**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?

I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason

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How do you know the translator isnt translating it precisely?

How do you know the exact meanings arent being conveyed precisely?

The article is very clear.

CSM are a joke. They will be used as a means of FORCING the playerbase to LIKE P2W.

CCP is NOT concerned with the playerbase leaving.

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I can answer some of that.

I know the translation is poor because I speak Icelandic. It is extremely poor. It actually makes no sense at all and it certainly isn't 'very clear' as you say.

The article actually states that P2W is not and never has been considered an option. He even flat out states that the game will never be P2W. And he says that he doesn't think players will leave (because they are reacting to something that isn't happening), not that they don't care if they leave.

You'll of course find none of this in the translated article, because it's a ****ing google-translated article. Do you also take youtube captions seriously?

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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They tell us "let's wait till the meeting" and then turn around and talk to a local newspaper.

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Originally by: Brother Todd

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Originally by: Painpill

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Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?

1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn

2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.

**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?

I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason

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How do you know the translator isnt translating it precisely?

How do you know the exact meanings arent being conveyed precisely?

The article is very clear.

CSM are a joke. They will be used as a means of FORCING the playerbase to LIKE P2W.

CCP is NOT concerned with the playerbase leaving.

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I can answer some of that.

I know the translation is poor because I speak Icelandic. It is extremely poor. It actually makes no sense at all and it certainly isn't 'very clear' as you say.

The article actually states that P2W is not and never has been considered an option. He even flat out states that the game will never be P2W. And he says that he doesn't think players will leave (because they are reacting to something that isn't happening), not that they don't care if they leave.

You'll of course find none of this in the translated article, because it's a ****ing google-translated article. Do you also take youtube captions seriously?

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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They tell us "let's wait till the meeting" and then turn around and talk to a local newspaper.

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I'm wrapping up a Bachelors in Media Studies, so bear with me.

CCP doesn't have good communication practices. No one is disagreeing on that point. This isn't relevant to the games industry and players, however. In that article with a city newspaper, the COO of one the biggest employers in Reykjavik has the task of assuring the local public (that cares about jobs and the economy, not necessarily the game) that the company slipped up but is communicating with customers and will continue to look at all income strategies. Jon says (in translation, which is massively muddled, remember) that they cannot comment on which strategy they will take for EVE, which coincides perfectly with Zulu's blog.

No, considering the very few subscribers MBL has and the fact that the economy is #1 issue for Icelanders, I don't see the problem at all.

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Originally by: Brother Todd

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I can answer some of that.

I know the translation is poor because I speak Icelandic. It is extremely poor. It actually makes no sense at all and it certainly isn't 'very clear' as you say.

The article actually states that P2W is not and never has been considered an option. He even flat out states that the game will never be P2W. And he says that he doesn't think players will leave (because they are reacting to something that isn't happening), not that they don't care if they leave.

You'll of course find none of this in the translated article, because it's a ****ing google-translated article. Do you also take youtube captions seriously?

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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In that article with a city newspaper, the COO of one the biggest employers in Reykjavik has the task of assuring the local public (that cares about jobs and the economy, not necessarily the game) that the company slipped up but is communicating with customers and will continue to look at all income strategies.

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Originally by: Saving Face

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You are just restating that he thinks it is more important to talk to the people we pay than to the people who pay.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You know, in all honesty, they could come straight out and say "There will never be non-vanity items in EVE", and the inevitable response on these forums would beà

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ôàthat's what you said last time, and it wasn't true then, so why should we believe you now?ö

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Originally by: Stormchyld

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Originally by: Brother Todd

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Originally by: Painpill

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Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?

1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn

2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.

**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?

I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason

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How do you know the translator isnt translating it precisely?

How do you know the exact meanings arent being conveyed precisely?

The article is very clear.

CSM are a joke. They will be used as a means of FORCING the playerbase to LIKE P2W.

CCP is NOT concerned with the playerbase leaving.

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I can answer some of that.

I know the translation is poor because I speak Icelandic. It is extremely poor. It actually makes no sense at all and it certainly isn't 'very clear' as you say.

The article actually states that P2W is not and never has been considered an option. He even flat out states that the game will never be P2W. And he says that he doesn't think players will leave (because they are reacting to something that isn't happening), not that they don't care if they leave.

You'll of course find none of this in the translated article, because it's a ****ing google-translated article. Do you also take youtube captions seriously?

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... if what you say is true then why haven't they just had a dev post that in plain english? so I don't believe for a minute that you speak icelandic. if CCP doesn't want this misunderstood they have a very simple way to ensure that it isn't misunderstood.... post it plainly.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Actually, everything I have said has come true. Some people just refuse to see it yet.

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Originally by: Brother Todd

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MTr gµti ekki veri= meira sama hvort ¦· tr·ir ¦vf a= Tg tali -slensku e=a ekki.

Hva= hefuru eiginlega spila= ¦ennan leik lengi? +g hef=i haldi= a= allir sem hafa spila= eve eitthva= a= rß=i vissu a= CCP tjß sig ekki um svona mßl ßn ¦ess a= nota lo=i= mßl og heimskulega frasa til ¦ess a= ¦a= sT alveg ÷ruggt mßl a= ¦a= skylji ¦ß ekki nokkur ma=ur. ¦a= er eitt af ¦eirra helstu einkennum.

+g er ansi hrµddur um a= ¦· ver=ir bara a= sµtta ¦ig vi= a= lifa f =vissu um ¦etta mßl ¦anga= til CSM li=i= birtir ni=urst÷=ur ¦essara funda...

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Actually, everything I have said has come true. Some people just refuse to see it yet.

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àand you often make claims on CCP's behalf about what they will and won't do?

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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No, considering the very few subscribers MBL has and the fact that the economy is #1 issue for Icelanders, I don't see the problem at all.

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Originally by: Ein Spiegel

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OP, google translate sucks, even if you spend half an hour looking at alternate translations and trying to mess with sentence structure, which google does horribly.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You have a statement confirming no gold ammo, you have a statement confirming no pay to win.

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Quote:

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Heh, why not?

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You know, in all honesty, they could come straight out and say "There will never be non-vanity items in EVE", and the inevitable response on these forums would beà

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ôàthat's what you said last time, and it wasn't true then, so why should we believe you now?ö

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Actually, everything I have said has come true. Some people just refuse to see it yet.

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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You really think that isn't relevant to the gaming industry?

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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You really think that isn't relevant to the gaming industry?

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No mate, I'm just saying that concerns about jobs and the economy go in one media outlet and concerns about game development and the industry (including customers) go to another. You don't have to agree with that, but as a student of media, I see a vast difference.

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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You really think that isn't relevant to the gaming industry?

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No mate, I'm just saying that concerns about jobs and the economy go in one media outlet and concerns about game development and the industry (including customers) go to another. You don't have to agree with that, but as a student of media, I see a vast difference.

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Where did you learn to compartmentalize your brain so properly?
That's quite a useful thing...

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Originally by: Care Bear King

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Originally by: Brother Todd

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..... And he says that he doesn't think players will leave (because they are reacting to something that isn't happening), not that they don't care if they leave.

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....

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Originally by: Painpill

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Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?

1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn

2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.

**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?

I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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I don't know the culture in Iceland, but its starting to feel awfully SHALLOW. Do Icelandic people run around like shallow school children touting $1000 jeans?

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You have a statement confirming no gold ammo, you have a statement confirming no pay to win.

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àwhich isn't worth much considering their previous claim that they wouldn't do MT at all.

Quote:

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Heh, why not?

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Ok, you obviously missed the point here, so I'll just requote the question:

Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You know, in all honesty, they could come straight out and say "There will never be non-vanity items in EVE", and the inevitable response on these forums would beà

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ôàthat's what you said last time, and it wasn't true then, so why should we believe you now?ö

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Actually, everything I have said has come true. Some people just refuse to see it yet.

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Seeing as how you are disputing that they went back on their previous promises, and you're doing it by saying that what you've said has all come true, the obvious question is:

Do you often make claims on CCP's behalf about what they will and won't do?

More specifically, what was it you said about CCP's plans for MT a year ago that has come true, and how does your claim gel with the fact that we now have MT?

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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 28/06/2011 21:09:57

Originally by: Ban Doga

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You really think that isn't relevant to the gaming industry?

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No mate, I'm just saying that concerns about jobs and the economy go in one media outlet and concerns about game development and the industry (including customers) go to another. You don't have to agree with that, but as a student of media, I see a vast difference.

Just wanted to add an analogy, since I've been to Iceland a few times:

Imagine one of the token IT companies in your area (let's say the state of North Dakota, since Iceland really is that sparse), and certainly the largest by far, employed you or someone who care about. Now imagine that IT company made a terrible development and PR mistake like CCP did. You would probably want to see some kind of reassurance in the local newspaper. That's what we're talking about.

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Originally by: Brother Todd

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¦a= er eitt af ¦eirra helstu einkennum.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You have a statement confirming no gold ammo, you have a statement confirming no pay to win.

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àwhich isn't worth much considering their previous claim that they wouldn't do MT at all.

Quote:

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Heh, why not?

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Ok, you obviously missed the point here, so I'll just requote the question:

Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You know, in all honesty, they could come straight out and say "There will never be non-vanity items in EVE", and the inevitable response on these forums would beà

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ôàthat's what you said last time, and it wasn't true then, so why should we believe you now?ö

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Actually, everything I have said has come true. Some people just refuse to see it yet.

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Seeing as how you are disputing that they went back on their previous promises, and you're doing it by saying that what you've said has all come true, the obvious question is:

Do you often make claims on CCP's behalf about what they will and won't do?

More specifically, what was it you said about CCP's plans for MT a year ago that has come true, and how does your claim gel with the fact that we now have MT?

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Originally by: Miagi Sans

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from a translator on FHC

"einu hlutir sem til s÷lu ver=a sTu skrauthlutir og ekki nau=synlegir."
"only vanity things are going to be for sale, nothing necessery"

course noone on these forums will believe it so..i'll just leave it here.

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Our business model isn't changing, you all have nothing to be concerned about.

No, there are no microtransaction plans whatsoever.

We do not have plans to go microtransaction with EVE. (his bold/underline, not mine)

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Originally by: Portmanteau

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Edited by: Portmanteau on 28/06/2011 20:39:04

Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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They tell us "let's wait till the meeting" and then turn around and talk to a local newspaper.

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I'm wrapping up a Bachelors in Media Studies, so bear with me.

CCP doesn't have good communication practices. No one is disagreeing on that point. This isn't relevant to the games industry and players, however. In that article with a city newspaper, the COO of one the biggest employers in Reykjavik has the task of assuring the local public (that cares about jobs and the economy, not necessarily the game) that the company slipped up but is communicating with customers and will continue to look at all income strategies. Jon says (in translation, which is massively muddled, remember) that they cannot comment on which strategy they will take for EVE, which coincides perfectly with Zulu's blog.

No, considering the very few subscribers MBL has and the fact that the economy is #1 issue for Icelanders, I don't see the problem at all.

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yes ... better to talk to the folk who are worried we might all leave than to the folk who might all leave. ROFL

EDIT .. not that I believe that translation is remotely accurate for us to get what is being said.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You have a statement confirming no gold ammo, you have a statement confirming no pay to win.

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àwhich isn't worth much considering their previous claim that they wouldn't do MT at all.

Quote:

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Heh, why not?

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Ok, you obviously missed the point here, so I'll just requote the question:

Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You know, in all honesty, they could come straight out and say "There will never be non-vanity items in EVE", and the inevitable response on these forums would beà

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ôàthat's what you said last time, and it wasn't true then, so why should we believe you now?ö

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Actually, everything I have said has come true. Some people just refuse to see it yet.

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Seeing as how you are disputing that they went back on their previous promises, and you're doing it by saying that what you've said has all come true, the obvious question is:

Do you often make claims on CCP's behalf about what they will and won't do?

More specifically, what was it you said about CCP's plans for MT a year ago that has come true, and how does your claim gel with the fact that we now have MT?

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Actually Tip, the question is "have you looked at what that oft quoted Dev blog is about? Specifically?

That entire blog is specifically addressing microtransactions of skill points. Period.

Now he left himself wide open to be misquoted with his last sentence, however it is very apparent EXACTLY what he is talking about throughout the entire dev blog.

Go re-read the blog from start to finish. If you can still honestly stand there and say you actually believe he was talking about anything other than skill points for MT, my respect for you will drop substantially.

In fact, I would strongly recommend everyone commenting in this thread to go check that blog again. Read the entire thing and then tell me once again that he is not being quoted out of context.

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Originally by: Caladan Broood

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Sorry kid you want to go back to school and get a refund. In today's digital age everything you say will be scrutinized regardless of the publication specialty. You cannot say A to media A and B to media B and act surprised when people can read both media A and B and see the disconnect and outright contradiction between both statements.

Message from a corporation must be unified, anything else and it shows the corporation could be at war with itself, is lying in different channels, etc. Do you think analyst only look at trade pubs when rating a company? No they look all over the place and if you find information that runs contrary to what the corporation said in another publication you ask why. When the company does not or refuses to answer that why question then there is great cause for concern. Depending on what is at stake, criminal charges can and are filed for giving different answers to different publications (I am not implying this is the case here, it is not!)

This is the age of the internet and you will be held accountable for what you say to any media outlet. If the message is vastly different from outlet to outlet, it pretty much shows what type of corporation morals you hold.

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Originally by: Bomberlocks

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yes ... better to talk to the folk who are worried we might all leave than to the folk who might all leave. ROFL

EDIT .. not that I believe that translation is remotely accurate for us to get what is being said.

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You have a statement confirming no gold ammo, you have a statement confirming no pay to win.

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àwhich isn't worth much considering their previous claim that they wouldn't do MT at all.

Quote:

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Heh, why not?

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Ok, you obviously missed the point here, so I'll just requote the question:

Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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You know, in all honesty, they could come straight out and say "There will never be non-vanity items in EVE", and the inevitable response on these forums would beà

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ôàthat's what you said last time, and it wasn't true then, so why should we believe you now?ö

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Actually, everything I have said has come true. Some people just refuse to see it yet.

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Seeing as how you are disputing that they went back on their previous promises, and you're doing it by saying that what you've said has all come true, the obvious question is:

Do you often make claims on CCP's behalf about what they will and won't do?

More specifically, what was it you said about CCP's plans for MT a year ago that has come true, and how does your claim gel with the fact that we now have MT?

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Actually Tip, the question is "have you looked at what that oft quoted Dev blog is about? Specifically?

That entire blog is specifically addressing microtransactions of skill points. Period.

Now he left himself wide open to be misquoted with his last sentence, however it is very apparent EXACTLY what he is talking about throughout the entire dev blog.

Go re-read the blog from start to finish. If you can still honestly stand there and say you actually believe he was talking about anything other than skill points for MT, my respect for you will drop substantially.

In fact, I would strongly recommend everyone commenting in this thread to go check that blog again. Read the entire thing and then tell me once again that he is not being quoted out of context.

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Oh damn, your respect for us might drop. How would I look myself in the mirror?!

Your problems start when you need a context to make your statement understandable.
"No micro-transactions for skillpoint"
"No micro-transactions for in-game advantages"
Those seem to be quite solid without context.

Let's try the other way:
"We will offer attribute remappings for Aurum."
"We will offer special edition ships for PLEX."
"The NEX will contain exclusive enhanced attribute modifiers by 2012".
Looks like that's possible too.

I guess the problems start when you repeatedly use statements that only work within the right context.
If you don't like speculation don't invite people to do it.

Don't go "after this release" and then explain "well after means 'not before' and not 'immediately the next thing'".
That's really asking people to find the catch in what you're saying.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Actually Tip, the question is "have you looked at what that oft quoted Dev blog is about? Specifically?

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Ban, you know as well as I do it is virtually impossible to phrase things in such a way that they cannot be taken out of context if someone is determined to do so.

We see a thousand cases of that a day here on these forums alone.

And once that is done, if it can be twisted to be sensational enough, it will be repeated to the point where your original meaning is drown is a flood of disbelief.

Human nature I'm afraid.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Actually Tip, the question is "have you looked at what that oft quoted Dev blog is about? Specifically?

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No, because what I'm quoting is not a dev blog.

I'm talking about the quote ôThere are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever.ö
No restrictions to just talking about SP. It was also followed up by a clarification about a weaselly little ôin this caseö that snuck in there, but which was explained as referring to what had just transpired rather than to MT.

So no, it was not specifically about SP. It was an all-inclusive claim that there would be no MT, period. And yet, here we are.

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Ban, you know as well as I do it is virtually impossible to phrase things in such a way that they cannot be taken out of context if someone is determined to do so.

We see a thousand cases of that a day here on these forums alone.

And once that is done, if it can be twisted to be sensational enough, it will be repeated to the point where your original meaning is drown is a flood of disbelief.

Human nature I'm afraid.

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I'm a great believer of "**** happens".
But I also believe in "strive for more".

The problem here is repetition.
They made a habit out of beating around the bush and seeing the community trying to pick apart what was said comes as no surprise for me.
There have been more than enough occasions where CCP demonstrated that with great effort and success.
What comes around goes around...

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Actually Tip, the question is "have you looked at what that oft quoted Dev blog is about? Specifically?

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No, because what I'm quoting is not a dev blog.

I'm talking about the quote ôThere are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever.ö
No restrictions to just talking about SP. It was also followed up by a clarification about a weaselly little ôin this caseö that snuck in there, but which was explained as referring to what had just transpired rather than to MT.

So no, it was not specifically about SP. It was an all-inclusive claim that there would be no MT, period. And yet, here we are.

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Well then you threw me a curve. When you mentioned that the comment was made a year ago I assumed you were referring to the dev blog made at that time that is often quoted out of context as saying "No MT in EVE".

Sincere apologies for not for directing my attention to the wrong reference.

To what are you referring then?

Not this backwards Google translation I hope.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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To what are you referring then?

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Originally by: Mister Smithington

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Actually Tip, the question is "have you looked at what that oft quoted Dev blog is about? Specifically?

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No, because what I'm quoting is not a dev blog.

I'm talking about the quote ôThere are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever.ö
No restrictions to just talking about SP. It was also followed up by a clarification about a weaselly little ôin this caseö that snuck in there, but which was explained as referring to what had just transpired rather than to MT.

So no, it was not specifically about SP. It was an all-inclusive claim that there would be no MT, period. And yet, here we are.

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Well then you threw me a curve. When you mentioned that the comment was made a year ago I assumed you were referring to the dev blog made at that time that is often quoted out of context as saying "No MT in EVE".

Sincere apologies for not for directing my attention to the wrong reference.

To what are you referring then?

Not this backwards Google translation I hope.

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There were a series of posts by CCP Shadow, I believe, where he very clearly, in no uncertain terms states NO MT EVER. Screenies of it were posted numerous times in the the threadnarok.

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Originally by: edith prickley

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Edited by: edith prickley on 28/06/2011 21:27:24

Originally by: Painpill

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Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?

1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn

2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.

**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?

I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason

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Actually, google's English-> Icelandic translator is not too bad. You can check this out empirically by playing the Chinese whispers game with it. That is, write a phrase in english and use google to translate it to Icelandic and then back again, and check the result. Here are some examples:

"Those fermented fish were very tasty." -> "¦eir gerju= fiskur var mj÷g brag=g==ur." -> "They fermented fish was very tasty."

"Hilmar can't speak to you now, he is visiting the Japanese boutique." -> "Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun." -> "Hilmar can not speak to you now, he is going to the Japanese boutique."

"Help. My company is being consumed by the lava flow." -> "Hjßlp. Fyrirtµki= mitt er neytt af hraun rennsli." -> "Help. My company is consumed by lava flow."

"There will be no non-vanity microtransactions in EVE." -> "¦a= ver=ur ekki ßn hTg=ma microtransactions f EVE." -> "It is not without vanity micro transactions in EVE."

And there we see the problem. There is no Icelandic word for "microtransactions". They really do have no idea what we are talking about or what they are doing. Guys, I'm starting to think it was all a big misunderstanding.

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... Brother Todd,
a= CSM fundur er irrelevent. CCP hefur tekist a= dj·pt skipta samfTlagi okkar og halda ßfram a= ekki comunicate okkur ¦a=. en Tg µtla a= lßta hann ß ¦eim. +g µtla ekki a= fß inn f rifrildi vi= ¦ig ß ÷=ru tungumßli
...flj·ga ÷ruggt

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Originally by: Bomberlocks

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Tg tali ekki -slensku.

but

Originally by: Brother Todd

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¦a= er eitt af ¦eirra helstu einkennum.

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Means that isn't their whole income, if I understood it correctly?

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Originally by: Caladan Broood

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Waiting for sub to end, not even motivated to log in and change training queue

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Originally by: Care Bear King

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Updated the OP with an FHC translation by Dixon.

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Originally by: Care Bear King

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Originally by: Dixon

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J=n says that a game developer like CCP can't make a statement like that but at the same time he asserts that P2W was never going to be and will never be a part of eve (this part is very clear).

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Originally by: Mister Smithington

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I'm glad we got that cleared up. However this is amusing.

Originally by: Care Bear King

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Originally by: Dixon

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J=n says that a game developer like CCP can't make a statement like that but at the same time he asserts that P2W was never going to be and will never be a part of eve (this part is very clear).

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"We can't say whether or not there will be p2w, but THERE WILL BE NO P2W!"

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Originally by: quite cute kinda

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CCP ZULU: Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments in english on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 22:25:23
So, he is Icelandic (EDIT: ok, Dixon just said he is not, and doesn't know the language well) but can't translate an Icelandic Newspaper...wtf?

Also, this is not a translation, its an "interpretation" at best. Try harder damnit. This is important stuff.

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Originally by: Brother Todd

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Originally by: edith prickley

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Edited by: edith prickley on 28/06/2011 21:27:24
Actually, google's English-> Icelandic translator is not too bad. You can check this out empirically by playing the Chinese whispers game with it. That is, write a phrase in english and use google to translate it to Icelandic and then back again, and check the result. Here are some examples:

"Those fermented fish were very tasty." -> "¦eir gerju= fiskur var mj÷g brag=g==ur." -> "They fermented fish was very tasty."

"Hilmar can't speak to you now, he is visiting the Japanese boutique." -> "Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun." -> "Hilmar can not speak to you now, he is going to the Japanese boutique."

"Help. My company is being consumed by the lava flow." -> "Hjßlp. Fyrirtµki= mitt er neytt af hraun rennsli." -> "Help. My company is consumed by lava flow."

"There will be no non-vanity microtransactions in EVE." -> "¦a= ver=ur ekki ßn hTg=ma microtransactions f EVE." -> "It is not without vanity micro transactions in EVE."

And there we see the problem. There is no Icelandic word for "microtransactions". They really do have no idea what we are talking about or what they are doing. Guys, I'm starting to think it was all a big misunderstanding.

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Actually that doesn't work at all. It only proves that the translator is consistent in it's own translations.

I can assure you that none of those sentences made sense in Icelandic except for this one : ,,Hilmar can't speak to you now, he is visiting the Japanese boutique".

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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To what are you referring then?

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This thread.
And before you go "oh, but it's about SP", look at the quotes. They are not about SP ù they are categorical denouncements of the idea that EVE would ever have MT of any kind.

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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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I am Cornholio! I need olli= for my bungholli=!

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Originally by: Krutoj

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You dont have a supercapital? buy PLEX trade it for ISK, buy supers. Just like any other mmo you can use your RL to pimp your character out (or tank for that matter).

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Originally by: Brother Todd

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 22:25:23
So, he is Icelandic (EDIT: ok, Dixon just said he is not, and doesn't know the language well) but can't translate an Icelandic Newspaper...wtf?

Also, this is not a translation, its an "interpretation" at best. Try harder damnit. This is important stuff.

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He is Icelandic and that is a translation. Stop *****ing.

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John does not particularly concerned that many people will quit playing the game because of changes in product mix in the game.

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 23:40:43

Originally by: Brother Todd

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 22:25:23
So, he is Icelandic (EDIT: ok, Dixon just said he is not, and doesn't know the language well) but can't translate an Icelandic Newspaper...wtf?

Also, this is not a translation, its an "interpretation" at best. Try harder damnit. This is important stuff.

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He is Icelandic and that is a translation. Stop *****ing.

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Its not a translation if he "interprets" whats written there because "it doesn't make sense"...wtf, whats written in a newspaper doesnt make sense?

If he understands icelandic but is bad at english, we may find ANYONE who know both good enough to translate please?
Like, whats written, not what he "thinks" should be written or meant to be written.

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Originally by: Brother Todd

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Edited by: Brother Todd on 28/06/2011 23:53:44

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 23:40:43

Originally by: Brother Todd

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 22:25:23
So, he is Icelandic (EDIT: ok, Dixon just said he is not, and doesn't know the language well) but can't translate an Icelandic Newspaper...wtf?

Also, this is not a translation, its an "interpretation" at best. Try harder damnit. This is important stuff.

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He is Icelandic and that is a translation. Stop *****ing.

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Its not a translation if he "interprets" whats written there because "it doesn't make sense"...wtf, whats written in a newspaper doesnt make sense?

If he understands icelandic but is bad at english, we may find ANYONE who know both good enough to translate please?
Like, whats written, not what he "thinks" should be written or meant to be written.

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His English is clearly very good. The translation is a lot better than what I could have done. You can't directly translate Icelandic to English, it would sound ridiculous.

The article is written to appeal to non-gaming Icelandic people who read that particular site. And it is poorly written and has awkward phrasing, so you're lucky that anyone bothered to translate it.

And I re-read his post. He never mentions "interpreting" anything... in fact the word isn't mentioned on the page at all, it's just a translation.

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 23:40:43

If he understands icelandic but is bad at english, we may find ANYONE who know both good enough to translate please?

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Originally by: Katrina Cortez

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"Great dissatisfaction among the players seem to be the price of these products. John says that these things can have the same value for the customers as things in real life and why are these things to sell at the same price."

SOMEBODY IS SMOKING DOPE

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A group of players who have the sandiest of vaginae have threatened to cancel their subs.

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Originally by: Poetic Stanziel

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Quote:

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A group of players who have the sandiest of vaginae have threatened to cancel their subs.

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That is an excellent way to describe irritated players.

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Whats more, they are absolutely going to throw PLEX in our faces.

"Youve already been P2Win via plex. You buy Plex, convert to ISK, buy Ship and WIN."

Guaranteed this gets thrown in our faces.

Ultimately, there is no Contract. People can come and go as they please.

Introduce P2W and people are leaving. At this point, they are just trying to hide it long enough a few dollars are brought in and the next crapsion is released.

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Originally by: CCP Zulu

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Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.

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Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk

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Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 29/06/2011 04:04:42


CCP i don't have this months SUB Money, but im going to ask that you let me play anyways. For the following reasons.

1. Next week, my manager at work is going to meet with me, Im not neccessarily going to ask him for money, but we might talk about this situation, still, i ask that you wait till AFTER the meeting before you stop my account for non-payment.

2. Ive decided to pay in LuteFisk from now on. Because all of my money is being spent on other things now.Please don't stop my account for non-payment. I will ensure a proper amount of Lutefisk arrives, sometime after today. Over the next 18 months, i ask you to be patient. I WILL send the Lutefisk.

3. $1000 Jeans.

4. I am not going bankrupt, and it is for these reasons that i ask you to NOT stop my account despite lack of payment.

5. Its only a few days, can't you simply leave my account running until a later time. CCP - "When, how long?" Ill have to get back to you about that, just don't shut my account off, even though i havent paid this months sub. I promise to get back to you about the payment. You are a valued service provider.

6. Im going to try a new pay model. I start at zero, and then all money in excess after i spend money on anythign else, is all yours. but i ask that you continue to Develop the game as if it were 2005. This will help me pay for a different game ive started playing. In fact, i need you to make a small payment for me as i can not fully afford that game either. Please do not shut my account off, and please make a small payment on my behalf for this other mmorpg.

pfft. 1 second after your account expires, your account is shut off. Zero tolerance, zero discussion.

My english is not so good. So anywhere in this seeming argument where you feel it is neccessary to correct me, realize i am not in error, the error is in your thought process, or its just a language problem, you are in fact actually wrong, and my correctness maintains. please regard.

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Originally by: Teako

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I would start worrying on the other side of the earth

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Originally by: Brother Todd

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Edited by: Brother Todd on 28/06/2011 23:53:44

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 23:40:43

Originally by: Brother Todd

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 28/06/2011 22:25:23
So, he is Icelandic (EDIT: ok, Dixon just said he is not, and doesn't know the language well) but can't translate an Icelandic Newspaper...wtf?

Also, this is not a translation, its an "interpretation" at best. Try harder damnit. This is important stuff.

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He is Icelandic and that is a translation. Stop *****ing.

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Its not a translation if he "interprets" whats written there because "it doesn't make sense"...wtf, whats written in a newspaper doesnt make sense?

If he understands icelandic but is bad at english, we may find ANYONE who know both good enough to translate please?
Like, whats written, not what he "thinks" should be written or meant to be written.

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His English is clearly very good. The translation is a lot better than what I could have done. You can't directly translate Icelandic to English, it would sound ridiculous.

The article is written to appeal to non-gaming Icelandic people who read that particular site. And it is poorly written and has awkward phrasing, so you're lucky that anyone bothered to translate it.

And I re-read his post. He never mentions "interpreting" anything... in fact the word isn't mentioned on the page at all, it's just a translation.

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