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Stormchyld
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:34:00 -
[121]
 Originally by: Brother Todd
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
Originally by: Painpill
Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?
1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn
2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.
**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?
I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason
How do you know the translator isnt translating it precisely?
How do you know the exact meanings arent being conveyed precisely?
The article is very clear.
CSM are a joke. They will be used as a means of FORCING the playerbase to LIKE P2W.
CCP is NOT concerned with the playerbase leaving.
I can answer some of that.
I know the translation is poor because I speak Icelandic. It is extremely poor. It actually makes no sense at all and it certainly isn't 'very clear' as you say.
The article actually states that P2W is not and never has been considered an option. He even flat out states that the game will never be P2W. And he says that he doesn't think players will leave (because they are reacting to something that isn't happening), not that they don't care if they leave.
You'll of course find none of this in the translated article, because it's a ****ing google-translated article. Do you also take youtube captions seriously?
... if what you say is true then why haven't they just had a dev post that in plain english? so I don't believe for a minute that you speak icelandic. if CCP doesn't want this misunderstood they have a very simple way to ensure that it isn't misunderstood.... post it plainly. |
Ilmunel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:38:00 -
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eve wont collapse immediatly, they still should bring there non vanity mt, and brake with it game mechanics, and it still may be alive for a year or two, just enogh to squeese money frome eve and dust players and then forget about them, so maybe the problem is that ccp does not even sees eve alive for more then two or three years, so they don't bother, that is what worries me
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Portmanteau
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:38:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Portmanteau on 28/06/2011 20:39:04
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Ban Doga
They tell us "let's wait till the meeting" and then turn around and talk to a local newspaper.
I'm wrapping up a Bachelors in Media Studies, so bear with me.
CCP doesn't have good communication practices. No one is disagreeing on that point. This isn't relevant to the games industry and players, however. In that article with a city newspaper, the COO of one the biggest employers in Reykjavik has the task of assuring the local public (that cares about jobs and the economy, not necessarily the game) that the company slipped up but is communicating with customers and will continue to look at all income strategies. Jon says (in translation, which is massively muddled, remember) that they cannot comment on which strategy they will take for EVE, which coincides perfectly with Zulu's blog.
No, considering the very few subscribers MBL has and the fact that the economy is #1 issue for Icelanders, I don't see the problem at all.
yes ... better to talk to the folk who are worried we might all leave than to the folk who might all leave. ROFL
EDIT .. not that I believe that translation is remotely accurate for us to get what is being said.
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:38:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 28/06/2011 20:41:13
Originally by: Brother Todd
I can answer some of that.
I know the translation is poor because I speak Icelandic. It is extremely poor. It actually makes no sense at all and it certainly isn't 'very clear' as you say.
The article actually states that P2W is not and never has been considered an option. He even flat out states that the game will never be P2W. And he says that he doesn't think players will leave (because they are reacting to something that isn't happening), not that they don't care if they leave.
You'll of course find none of this in the translated article, because it's a ****ing google-translated article. Do you also take youtube captions seriously?
don't really see the difference between your summary and the google translation - essence of that interview is that CCP is trying to spin the "only vanity items" demand into a "no Pay2Win button" concession.
And having more than 50 slots in your fittings manager or having "repaired" faction standings with AUR won't make you win any space battle.
CCP are playing semantics games around "gold ammo" and "Pay2Win" so they can avoid making commitments on "non-vanity items/services" in general - and they talk to the press before talking to us.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:39:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
In that article with a city newspaper, the COO of one the biggest employers in Reykjavik has the task of assuring the local public (that cares about jobs and the economy, not necessarily the game) that the company slipped up but is communicating with customers and will continue to look at all income strategies.
You are just restating that he thinks it is more important to talk to the people we pay than to the people who pay.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:41:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Saving Face
You are just restating that he thinks it is more important to talk to the people we pay than to the people who pay.
Your livelihood is not dependent on CCP's income. I'd argue that CCP has just as much of a PR issue locally as they do with their customers.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:42:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ranger 1
You know, in all honesty, they could come straight out and say "There will never be non-vanity items in EVE", and the inevitable response on these forums would beà
ôàthat's what you said last time, and it wasn't true then, so why should we believe you now?ö
Actually, everything I have said has come true. Some people just refuse to see it yet.
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Brother Todd
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:43:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Stormchyld
Originally by: Brother Todd
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
Originally by: Painpill
Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?
1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn
2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.
**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?
I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason
How do you know the translator isnt translating it precisely?
How do you know the exact meanings arent being conveyed precisely?
The article is very clear.
CSM are a joke. They will be used as a means of FORCING the playerbase to LIKE P2W.
CCP is NOT concerned with the playerbase leaving.
I can answer some of that.
I know the translation is poor because I speak Icelandic. It is extremely poor. It actually makes no sense at all and it certainly isn't 'very clear' as you say.
The article actually states that P2W is not and never has been considered an option. He even flat out states that the game will never be P2W. And he says that he doesn't think players will leave (because they are reacting to something that isn't happening), not that they don't care if they leave.
You'll of course find none of this in the translated article, because it's a ****ing google-translated article. Do you also take youtube captions seriously?
... if what you say is true then why haven't they just had a dev post that in plain english? so I don't believe for a minute that you speak icelandic. if CCP doesn't want this misunderstood they have a very simple way to ensure that it isn't misunderstood.... post it plainly.
MTr gµti ekki veri= meira sama hvort ¦· tr·ir ¦vf a= Tg tali -slensku e=a ekki.
Hva= hefuru eiginlega spila= ¦ennan leik lengi? +g hef=i haldi= a= allir sem hafa spila= eve eitthva= a= rß=i vissu a= CCP tjß sig ekki um svona mßl ßn ¦ess a= nota lo=i= mßl og heimskulega frasa til ¦ess a= ¦a= sT alveg ÷ruggt mßl a= ¦a= skylji ¦ß ekki nokkur ma=ur. ¦a= er eitt af ¦eirra helstu einkennum.
+g er ansi hrµddur um a= ¦· ver=ir bara a= sµtta ¦ig vi= a= lifa f =vissu um ¦etta mßl ¦anga= til CSM li=i= birtir ni=urst÷=ur ¦essara funda...
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:47:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Actually, everything I have said has come true. Some people just refuse to see it yet.
àand you often make claims on CCP's behalf about what they will and won't do?
ùùù
ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:49:00 -
[130]
Let me take that a step further.
The wiggle room on the CCP is trying to get away with something arguement is getting thinner and thinner.
You have a statement confirming no gold ammo, you have a statement confirming no pay to win.
Now the arguement is that it might still include nebulous advantages of some type, thats why we haven't heard them say "non-vanity items only".
There is more than one thread on these forums that have dozens of ideas for the NEX selling items that are not exactly vanity items, yet offer no direct advantage in game. Buying store fronts to generate ISK income is only one of them.
If CCP wants to even discuss non-vanity items, first they and we are going to have to come to a common understanding of what the term "non-vanity item" means specifically... which would explain bringing the CSM to Iceland.
Argue if you like, but that is the reality of the situation. I'm sorry if it doesn't paint some people in a good light.
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:49:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 28/06/2011 20:49:47
hook...
line.......
SINKER.
Theres NO WAY ccp knows they will not have P2W and just doesnt say so outright.
If CCP stated, today, on the forums, "No non-vanity items ever" It would be enough to stop the protesting.
Theres still a lot of issues, beyond MT, but that alone would make a massive difference.
I wouldnt be surprised if the Article is a deliberate fishing attempt. To see what players are going to say.
And then when they get yuset about this or that
"uhh, you no understand iceland man genius, please regard"
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Terrante
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Todd
MTr gµti ekki veri= meira sama hvort ¦· tr·ir ¦vf a= Tg tali -slensku e=a ekki.
Hva= hefuru eiginlega spila= ¦ennan leik lengi? +g hef=i haldi= a= allir sem hafa spila= eve eitthva= a= rß=i vissu a= CCP tjß sig ekki um svona mßl ßn ¦ess a= nota lo=i= mßl og heimskulega frasa til ¦ess a= ¦a= sT alveg ÷ruggt mßl a= ¦a= skylji ¦ß ekki nokkur ma=ur. ¦a= er eitt af ¦eirra helstu einkennum.
+g er ansi hrµddur um a= ¦· ver=ir bara a= sµtta ¦ig vi= a= lifa f =vissu um ¦etta mßl ¦anga= til CSM li=i= birtir ni=urst÷=ur ¦essara funda...
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:51:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ranger 1
Actually, everything I have said has come true. Some people just refuse to see it yet.
àand you often make claims on CCP's behalf about what they will and won't do?
Heh, why not?
That is exactly what everyone else is doing, and with far less to back it.
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Trainwreck McGee
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:55:00 -
[134]
I smell a train wreck....o wait that's just me
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:55:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Ban Doga on 28/06/2011 20:58:01
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
No, considering the very few subscribers MBL has and the fact that the economy is #1 issue for Icelanders, I don't see the problem at all.
Looks like MBL has the same problem Perpetuum Online has right now: EVE players all over them, more than they had ever dreamed of.
But it's all right that you don't see a problem at all in this.
That's really fine and great. I'm not even trying to make you see one.
I'm just disagreeing with some of your statements.
Like that this is not about the games industry and players.
It is about us because it is about how CCP interacts with their customers right now.
It is about how the company is doing in the current situation - and those people aren't asking these questions for nothing.
This is about how "The World's Largest Game Universe" is trying to adopt new revenue streams and how its players are reacting to that.
You really think that isn't relevant to the gaming industry?
You might as well say Google releasing Android had nothing to do with cell phones.
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Ein Spiegel
Minmatar
Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
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Posted - 2011.06.28 20:56:00 -
[136]
Brother Todd, with enough alcohol and copious work beating babelfish into my ears, I think I got the gist of what you said there. And no, don't care about whether or not some twit on the internet believes you speak a language or not. (Although now I want to abuse Rosetta Stone and find out if it's really that much of a pain to learn.)
OP, google translate sucks, even if you spend half an hour looking at alternate translations and trying to mess with sentence structure, which google does horribly.
Also, Eve wouldn't work on a basic level as a P2W system - P2W works okay in a theme park setting, but in a sandbox I fear it would be disastrous. Of course, I could just be :bittervet: and an SWG refugee having PTSD flashbacks.
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Titus Phook
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:00:00 -
[137]
WTS navy issue pitchforks, faction flaming torches, best named stakes & "gold" materials for bonfires.
On a serious note, I'm waiting until the weekend for news from the CSM. I can see the protests on saturday and sunday looking like a storm in a teacup compared to what's coming if the news isn't satisfactory.
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Zhula Guixgrixks
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:03:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Ein Spiegel
OP, google translate sucks, even if you spend half an hour looking at alternate translations and trying to mess with sentence structure, which google does horribly.
That's true. But it's bad PR anyways.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:03:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Ranger 1
You have a statement confirming no gold ammo, you have a statement confirming no pay to win.
àwhich isn't worth much considering their previous claim that they wouldn't do MT at all.
Quote:
Heh, why not?
Ok, you obviously missed the point here, so I'll just requote the question:
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ranger 1
You know, in all honesty, they could come straight out and say "There will never be non-vanity items in EVE", and the inevitable response on these forums would beà
ôàthat's what you said last time, and it wasn't true then, so why should we believe you now?ö
Actually, everything I have said has come true. Some people just refuse to see it yet.
Seeing as how you are disputing that they went back on their previous promises, and you're doing it by saying that what you've said has all come true, the obvious question is:
Do you often make claims on CCP's behalf about what they will and won't do?
More specifically, what was it you said about CCP's plans for MT a year ago that has come true, and how does your claim gel with the fact that we now have MT?
ùùù
ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:04:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Ban Doga
You really think that isn't relevant to the gaming industry?
No mate, I'm just saying that concerns about jobs and the economy go in one media outlet and concerns about game development and the industry (including customers) go to another. You don't have to agree with that, but as a student of media, I see a vast difference.
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Miagi Sans
Amarr
PURgE-Corp
PURgE Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:04:00 -
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from a translator on FHC
"einu hlutir sem til s÷lu ver=a sTu skrauthlutir og ekki nau=synlegir."
"only vanity things are going to be for sale, nothing necessery"
course noone on these forums will believe it so..i'll just leave it here.
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Kinta Huron
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:06:00 -
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Hey CCP ef ¦· ert a= lesa ¦etta getum vi= fengi= staf aftur sTrstakur hµfni f bo=i fyrir Aur kaupa ¦=knast?
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:07:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Ban Doga
You really think that isn't relevant to the gaming industry?
No mate, I'm just saying that concerns about jobs and the economy go in one media outlet and concerns about game development and the industry (including customers) go to another. You don't have to agree with that, but as a student of media, I see a vast difference.
Where did you learn to compartmentalize your brain so properly?
That's quite a useful thing...
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:11:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Ban Doga
You really think that isn't relevant to the gaming industry?
No mate, I'm just saying that concerns about jobs and the economy go in one media outlet and concerns about game development and the industry (including customers) go to another. You don't have to agree with that, but as a student of media, I see a vast difference.
Where did you learn to compartmentalize your brain so properly?
That's quite a useful thing...
I'm obsessive-compulsive. 
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:14:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Care Bear King
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Originally by: Brother Todd
..... And he says that he doesn't think players will leave (because they are reacting to something that isn't happening), not that they don't care if they leave.
....
I think that was purely for the press. He can't go out and say "uhm we've lost 30k users, but we're sure they'll come back". No one does that, and they do that especially less when things are going bad.
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edith prickley
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:14:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Painpill
Okay all you whiners, **** posters and leavers, why the **** dont you just find another game or even get a life?
1. first of Icelandic is one of THE most difficult languages in the world to learn
2. Using a **** translater that cant even translate "R°d gr°d med fl°de" from danish is very good idea to base your useless rambling and rages on. Nevermind the fact that you use it on Icelandic is just beyond comprehension.
**** NC posters need to stop this rambling, yes your mad about your RMT empire, but dont bring in your alts mmm k?
I still havent figured out WHY you rely on horrible NC posters on information taken out of context, and dont forget theese "sources" have been banned from theese forums for a very long time and for a very good reason
Actually, the google's English-> Icelandic translator is not too bad. You can check this out empirically by playing the Chinese whispers game with it. That is, write a phrase in english and use google to translate it to Icelandic and then back again, and check the result. Here are some examples:
"Those fermented fish were very tasty." -> "¦eir gerju= fiskur var mj÷g brag=g==ur." -> "They fermented fish was very tasty."
"Hilmar can't speak to you now, he is visiting the Japanese boutique." -> "Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun." -> "Hilmar can not speak to you now, he is going to the Japanese boutique."
"Help. My company is being consumed by the lava flow." -> "Hjßlp. Fyrirtµki= mitt er neytt af hraun rennsli." -> "Help. My company is consumed by lava flow."
"There will be no non-vanity microtransactions in EVE." -> "¦a= ver=ur ekki ßn hTg=ma microtransactions f EVE." -> "It is not without vanity micro transactions in EVE."
And there we see the problem. There is no Icelandic word for "microtransactions". They really do have no idea what we are talking about or what they are doing. Guys, I'm starting to think it was all a big misunderstanding.
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Stormchyld
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Stormchyld on 28/06/2011 21:17:03
... Brother Todd,
a= CSM fundur er irrelevent. CCP hefur tekist a= dj·pt skipta samfTlagi okkar og halda ßfram a= ekki comunicate okkur ¦a=. en Tg µtla a= lßta hann ß ¦eim. +g µtla ekki a= fß inn f rifrildi vi= ¦ig ß ÷=ru tungumßli
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Markarian Aurelius
Caldari
Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:16:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
I don't know the culture in Iceland, but its starting to feel awfully SHALLOW. Do Icelandic people run around like shallow school children touting $1000 jeans?
Seeing how Iceland is going through a great deal of economic turmoil and has a high amount of debt to GDP, the weak Krona, and ever increasing unemployment rates since 2008 (according to public CIA factsheets), I seriously doubt too many people in Iceland except for the minority elite are wearing $1000 pants. I also doubt there are many Japanese boutiques still open in the country.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:18:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ranger 1
You have a statement confirming no gold ammo, you have a statement confirming no pay to win.
àwhich isn't worth much considering their previous claim that they wouldn't do MT at all.
Quote:
Heh, why not?
Ok, you obviously missed the point here, so I'll just requote the question:
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ranger 1
You know, in all honesty, they could come straight out and say "There will never be non-vanity items in EVE", and the inevitable response on these forums would beà
ôàthat's what you said last time, and it wasn't true then, so why should we believe you now?ö
Actually, everything I have said has come true. Some people just refuse to see it yet.
Seeing as how you are disputing that they went back on their previous promises, and you're doing it by saying that what you've said has all come true, the obvious question is:
Do you often make claims on CCP's behalf about what they will and won't do?
More specifically, what was it you said about CCP's plans for MT a year ago that has come true, and how does your claim gel with the fact that we now have MT?
Actually Tip, the question is "have you looked at what that oft quoted Dev blog is about? Specifically?
That entire blog is specifically addressing microtransactions of skill points. Period.
Now he left himself wide open to be misquoted with his last sentence, however it is very apparent EXACTLY what he is talking about throughout the entire dev blog.
Go re-read the blog from start to finish. If you can still honestly stand there and say you actually believe he was talking about anything other than skill points for MT, my respect for you will drop substantially.
In fact, I would strongly recommend everyone commenting in this thread to go check that blog again. Read the entire thing and then tell me once again that he is not being quoted out of context.
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Caladan Broood
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:20:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 28/06/2011 21:09:57
Originally by: Ban Doga
You really think that isn't relevant to the gaming industry?
No mate, I'm just saying that concerns about jobs and the economy go in one media outlet and concerns about game development and the industry (including customers) go to another. You don't have to agree with that, but as a student of media, I see a vast difference.
Just wanted to add an analogy, since I've been to Iceland a few times:
Imagine one of the token IT companies in your area (let's say the state of North Dakota, since Iceland really is that sparse), and certainly the largest by far, employed you or someone who care about. Now imagine that IT company made a terrible development and PR mistake like CCP did. You would probably want to see some kind of reassurance in the local newspaper. That's what we're talking about.
Sorry kid you want to go back to school and get a refund. In today's digital age everything you say will be scrutinized regardless of the publication specialty. You cannot say A to media A and B to media B and act surprised when people can read both media A and B and see the disconnect and outright contradiction between both statements.
Message from a corporation must be unified, anything else and it shows the corporation could be at war with itself, is lying in different channels, etc. Do you think analyst only look at trade pubs when rating a company? No they look all over the place and if you find information that runs contrary to what the corporation said in another publication you ask why. When the company does not or refuses to answer that why question then there is great cause for concern. Depending on what is at stake, criminal charges can and are filed for giving different answers to different publications (I am not implying this is the case here, it is not!)
This is the age of the internet and you will be held accountable for what you say to any media outlet. If the message is vastly different from outlet to outlet, it pretty much shows what type of corporation morals you hold.
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