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Jaehawn	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:02:00 - [1] We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once.
deathdragons	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:03:00 - [2] I agree!!!!
Ivor Spacehopper	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:04:00 - [3] Going by that logic though, no new game would be developed ever. Games in development have to be funded by something as they cannot generate their own income.
Jenn aSide	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:05:00 - [4] Are you asking When will people get ticked off at the fact that CCP is financially over-extended and thus looking for ways to milk it's loyal EVE customers because of trying to cash in on Twilight watching teenie boppers? My question is where have you been for the last week???
Karl Planck Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Karl Planck on 01/07/2011 15:08:26 I'm going to start a new hobby with these half wit threads. You sir fail at EVE, either by hiding behind an alt or like this for rizzle, stop sucking (eve, forums, life, etc) Edit, lets add some more deathdragons nearly 4 years in the game and 100 kills WHILE in 0.0 ------------------------------------------------- Don't debate with morons. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Abominare The Hatchery	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:06:00 - [6] The stupid here is unbearable. Ill let you in on a secret any money you've ever spent on a video game was used to make the next one! The gas you put in your car? (assuming your country lets some one as mentally challenged as you drive) was used to in part to pay for finding the next oild well to make more gas! The food you ate which was possibly grown, the money paid also paid to be able to plant the next crop! Clearly we should stop eating and driving! Business how the **** do they work?
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Jaehawn We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once. See my Schr÷dinger's cat post. :) -- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP
xNEWxTROLLxHEREx Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:07:00 - [8] Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I am angry now.
deathdragons	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Ivor Spacehopper Going by that logic though, no new game would be developed ever. Games in development have to be funded by something as they cannot generate their own income. Well to be fair.. By incress the money we spend in EVE just to fond an other game.. = not cool
Mr Epeen It's All About Me	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Jaehawn We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once. Colored the only part you got right. Anything else is you had to say is butt hurt tantrum. Mr Epeen

Kitsune Sakai	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:10:00 - [11] It's not like it's your money you know. You gave it to ÇÇp and it ceased to be your money and became their money. And I for one think it's far better for them to use the money on new games than to pay failed icelandic bankers the money (or 1/3 of the money anyways) the really bad part is that they seem to have over-estimated how much of the stuff they can get out of EVE without wrecking the game. And managed to be 1. class bungholes in the process of course...
Jenn aSide	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:10:00 - [12] Edited by: Jenn aSide on 01/07/2011 15:13:44 -Voice of reason- But seriously, no one with any sense wants CCP to NOT expand, make money or make new games. They are a business. But you have to expand SMARTLY, in a timely fashion. Trying to make TWO news games from the income of one that itself needs some loving (thanks for your efforts anyways Team BFF) during a worldwide recession where there are potentially fewer dollars to be spent on gaming/entertainment is at best foolish and at worst criminally stupid. Many of us resent the foolishness because it threatens to alter our game experience that we are already paying for. Hope that sums it up for y'all CCP loyalists :) . -/Voice of Reason- PS you all suck.
Bullyboutya Minmatar Taxxon Industrial Enterprises	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Jaehawn We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once. LMAO another one who feels entitled. News flash bra once your money leaves your account and goes to CCP guess what bra THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY LIKE WITH IT. Oh before I forget your not ENTILTELD TO ANYHTING BRA hey I'm just saying
Eyup Mi'duck	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:19:00 - [14] I expect CCP to use much of the subs from EVE to cover their overheads and invest back in their future business. BUT not at the expense of abandoning EVE. I expect to get something back, other than beta-testing elements of WoD and DUST.  Get over it!  Learn from your mistake and move on. 
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Jenn aSide Edited by: Jenn aSide on 01/07/2011 15:13:44 -Voice of reason- But seriously, no one with any sense wants CCP to NOT expand, make money or make new games. They are a business. But you have to expand SMARTLY, in a timely fashion. Trying to make TWO news games from the income of one that itself needs some loving (thanks for your efforts anyways Team BFF) during a worldwide recession where there are potentially fewer dollars to be spent on gaming/entertainment is at best foolish and at worst criminally stupid. Many of us resent the foolishness because it threatens to alter our game experience that we are already paying for. Hope that sums it up for y'all CCP loyalists :) . -/Voice of Reason- PS you all suck. Thank god they have you to tell them how they should spend their money. I have no idea how they have managed to survive the last 8 years without you... ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Agrikaan Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Ivor Spacehopper Going by that logic though, no new game would be developed ever. Games in development have to be funded by something as they cannot generate their own income. You make no sense. If one game must exists for another to be funded and made, how was the first game made? In short, EVE. That were taking loans and getting financial backing comes in. I for one want to play with spaceship. I don't want to play with Space Barbies. I don't really care to play The Vampire Diarrheas. I can't ever play Dust because it an "exclusive". I for one want the money I pay for EVE to go into EVE, and make it better for many more years. PS. Who's the more pathetic whiner, the whiner or the whiner who whines about whiners.
The Antiquarian Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Jaehawn We all pay to be able to play Eve, so why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Dust 514 is still part of Eve but another project but World of Darkness is completely separate project which we shouldn't be paying for unless Eve pilots will all receive free WoD accounts since we paid for the game. All this MT drama is just a further tax on Eve pilots to pay for their new shiny toy while we cant get fixes to core problems in the game that have been broken for years or never designed properly. Now we are to believe that CCP can maintain 3 games at once. This is the most twisted logic I've ever read. We did not obligate CCP to use our money solely for EVE Online. I am under the assumption that the OP has no idea when it comes to how a firm/corporation functions.
Stephanie Rose Nos Exigo Effercio	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:26:00 - [18] I think the real point to any of this is simple, CCP doesn't care, bottom line. CCP has left things broken an hasn't seemed to try to fix any of them, wallpaper over a whole in the wall isn't a fix, it is only cosmetic. So far as I can see, they are pushing to expand revenue an not much else. The famous line "The game is working as intended", is it really? If it is, this pride in their work that so many people say CCP employees have, seems a bit off, or are they proud to be milking us with a sick cow? I hope the CSMs are enjoying the beer an white russians they seem to enjoy blogging/twittering about ...
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Karl Planck ...nearly 4 years in the game and 100 kills WHILE in 0.0 0.0 is for carebears who want to shoot red cross and be considered the "endgame" ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
tikktokk tokkzikk STORM Squad	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:27:00 - [20] I think one project is OK but TWO?! Sell WoD, pay the debt and replace nex with my suggestion below. My solution to micro-transactions/noble exchange and CCPs money problem!

Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Agrikaan Edited by: Agrikaan on 01/07/2011 15:29:14 Originally by: Ivor Spacehopper Going by that logic though, no new game would be developed ever. Games in development have to be funded by something as they cannot generate their own income. You make no sense. If one game must exist for another to be funded and made, how was the first game made? In short, EVE. That's were taking loans and getting financial backing comes in. If you can't present a business case to potential investors and shareholders that's good enough to get the funding, the product should not be made. And not by leaching of another product, especially if that's the only one you have. Only two kinds of people believe in continial growth in a limited world and a niche product: Economists and idiots. I for one want to play with spaceship. I don't want to play with Space Barbies. I don't really care to play The Vampire Diarrheas. I can't ever play Dust because it an "exclusive". I for one want the money I pay for EVE to go into EVE, and make it better for many more years. PS. Who's the more pathetic whiner, the whiner or the whiner who whines about whiners. Take a business course. Get back to us on this. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
The Antiquarian Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Agrikaan Edited by: Agrikaan on 01/07/2011 15:30:07 Edited by: Agrikaan on 01/07/2011 15:29:14 Originally by: Ivor Spacehopper Going by that logic though, no new game would be developed ever. Games in development have to be funded by something as they cannot generate their own income. You make no sense. If one game must exist for another to be funded and made, how was the first game made? In short, EVE. That's were taking loans and getting financial backing comes in. If you can't present a business case to potential investors and shareholders that's good enough to get the funding, the product should not be made. And not by leaching of another product, especially if that's the only one you have. Only two kinds of people believe in continual growth in a limited world and a niche product: Economists and idiots. I for one want to play with spaceship. I don't want to play with Space Barbies. I don't really care to play The Vampire Diarrheas. I can't ever play Dust because it an "exclusive". I for one want the money I pay for EVE to go into EVE, and make it better for many more years. PS. Who's the more pathetic whiner, the whiner or the whiner who whines about whiners. You are not a shareholder so your points are void. Yup, just as the poster above mine said, take a few business courses and then realize how your points make no sense.
Agrikaan Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Agrikaan Edited by: Agrikaan on 01/07/2011 15:29:14 Originally by: Ivor Spacehopper Going by that logic though, no new game would be developed ever. Games in development have to be funded by something as they cannot generate their own income. You make no sense. If one game must exist for another to be funded and made, how was the first game made? In short, EVE. That's were taking loans and getting financial backing comes in. If you can't present a business case to potential investors and shareholders that's good enough to get the funding, the product should not be made. And not by leaching of another product, especially if that's the only one you have. Only two kinds of people believe in continial growth in a limited world and a niche product: Economists and idiots. I for one want to play with spaceship. I don't want to play with Space Barbies. I don't really care to play The Vampire Diarrheas. I can't ever play Dust because it an "exclusive". I for one want the money I pay for EVE to go into EVE, and make it better for many more years. PS. Who's the more pathetic whiner, the whiner or the whiner who whines about whiners. Take a business course. Get back to us on this. No please, show us your intellect, tell us how you would develop the first game for a few years without any income. And perhaps you should read up about how EVE was made, and how close they were to folding more than once, before release.
Anigava Gallente Misanthropic Ventures	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:34:00 - [24] Jaehawn, while I feel your pain, I'd like to point out the reality in Gaming Industry. Should you choose to leave Eve Online, prepare yourself emotionally...... Perpetuum and World of Tanks, if they ever become half as successful as Eve, will ultimately develop a new game and fund it from existing revenues...... that's the way it works. Welcome to the sandbox called Capitalism.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Jaehawn why isn't anyone upset that they are taking that money to create another game? Because it's their money and they can do what they want with it, and because that's how the software industry works: you use the old project to (in part) pay for the new project. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Agrikaan Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:36:00 - [26] Edited by: Agrikaan on 01/07/2011 15:37:35 Originally by: The Antiquarian Originally by: Agrikaan Edited by: Agrikaan on 01/07/2011 15:30:07 Edited by: Agrikaan on 01/07/2011 15:29:14 Originally by: Ivor Spacehopper Going by that logic though, no new game would be developed ever. Games in development have to be funded by something as they cannot generate their own income. You make no sense. If one game must exist for another to be funded and made, how was the first game made? In short, EVE. That's were taking loans and getting financial backing comes in. If you can't present a business case to potential investors and shareholders that's good enough to get the funding, the product should not be made. And not by leaching of another product, especially if that's the only one you have. Only two kinds of people believe in continual growth in a limited world and a niche product: Economists and idiots. I for one want to play with spaceship. I don't want to play with Space Barbies. I don't really care to play The Vampire Diarrheas. I can't ever play Dust because it an "exclusive". I for one want the money I pay for EVE to go into EVE, and make it better for many more years. PS. Who's the more pathetic whiner, the whiner or the whiner who whines about whiners. You are not a shareholder so your points are void. Yup, just as the poster above mine said, take a few business courses and then realize how your points make no sense. No, not a shareholder. A customer. That means, in the end, more important than any shareholder. At least if the shareholder wants to earn any money / get money back on the investment. No one with a business sense worth a worm would ever say that customer opinions doesn't matter and are "void".
Jaehawn	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:36:00 - [27] One thing you did get right we aren't shareholders in CCP we are investers which should give us a say in where our money goes. So maybe a few more people should take those business courses.
The Antiquarian Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Agrikaan Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Agrikaan Edited by: Agrikaan on 01/07/2011 15:29:14 Originally by: Ivor Spacehopper Going by that logic though, no new game would be developed ever. Games in development have to be funded by something as they cannot generate their own income. You make no sense. If one game must exist for another to be funded and made, how was the first game made? In short, EVE. That's were taking loans and getting financial backing comes in. If you can't present a business case to potential investors and shareholders that's good enough to get the funding, the product should not be made. And not by leaching of another product, especially if that's the only one you have. Only two kinds of people believe in continial growth in a limited world and a niche product: Economists and idiots. I for one want to play with spaceship. I don't want to play with Space Barbies. I don't really care to play The Vampire Diarrheas. I can't ever play Dust because it an "exclusive". I for one want the money I pay for EVE to go into EVE, and make it better for many more years. PS. Who's the more pathetic whiner, the whiner or the whiner who whines about whiners. Take a business course. Get back to us on this. No please, show us your intellect, tell us how you would develop the first game for a few years without any income. And perhaps you should read up about how EVE was made, and how close they were to folding more than once, before release. Do you just not get it? Here's some suggested readings for you. Google some of these keywords: corporation shareholder stakeholder fiduciary duties of corporation's management and perhaps in your case.... the agreements we are suppose to accept when we log into the game.
Stephanie Rose Nos Exigo Effercio	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Agrikaan Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Agrikaan Edited by: Agrikaan on 01/07/2011 15:29:14 Originally by: Ivor Spacehopper Going by that logic though, no new game would be developed ever. Games in development have to be funded by something as they cannot generate their own income. You make no sense. If one game must exist for another to be funded and made, how was the first game made? In short, EVE. That's were taking loans and getting financial backing comes in. If you can't present a business case to potential investors and shareholders that's good enough to get the funding, the product should not be made. And not by leaching of another product, especially if that's the only one you have. Only two kinds of people believe in continial growth in a limited world and a niche product: Economists and idiots. I for one want to play with spaceship. I don't want to play with Space Barbies. I don't really care to play The Vampire Diarrheas. I can't ever play Dust because it an "exclusive". I for one want the money I pay for EVE to go into EVE, and make it better for many more years. PS. Who's the more pathetic whiner, the whiner or the whiner who whines about whiners. Take a business course. Get back to us on this. No please, show us your intellect, tell us how you would develop the first game for a few years without any income. And perhaps you should read up about how EVE was made, and how close they were to folding more than once, before release. Live in your moms basement till the game is ready for deployment? (S M A R T A S S)
The Antiquarian Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:39:00 - [30] Edited by: The Antiquarian on 01/07/2011 15:39:19 Originally by: Jaehawn One thing you did get right we aren't shareholders in CCP we are investers which should give us a say in where our money goes. So maybe a few more people should take those business courses. No we are not investors. We are customers who are paying for the service. There is a huge difference between investors and customers. A college level business course helps.



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