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Wangston Hughes	Posted - 2011.07.03 01:39:00 - [31] Originally by: JMERCENARY Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver If WoD and DUST 514 generates enough surplus revenue, then those two games will be funding for EVE as well. A long shot, but not an impossibility. You know this how? Your posts are very bad. Please stop.
Majuan Shuo Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.07.03 01:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Fixing bugs and balancing **** is what's needed. I can live with little to no content being added to the game. Fixing bugs and adding new buggy content both cost money and comparable time. "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP
Rividien Calennand	Posted - 2011.07.03 01:42:00 - [33] Originally by: JMERCENARY Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver If WoD and DUST 514 generates enough surplus revenue, then those two games will be funding for EVE as well. A long shot, but not an impossibility. You know this how? 'cause the money will be all in the hand of one company (namely CCP) that is going to use their funds on the game that more need it, it is not that the money gotten from WoD can be used only to give WoD new contents. this is how a company work.
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.03 02:04:00 - [34] Originally by: JMERCENARY Why make long posts explaining the obvious which is that CCP is not working at EVE atm.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.03 02:52:00 - [35] Edited by: jackaloped on 03/07/2011 02:53:03 Originally by: JMERCENARY Originally by: Onyx Blackman Originally by: JMERCENARY You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Boy, you sure told them. Why make long posts explaining the obvious which is that CCP is not working at EVE atm. Isn't funny how many players are so quick to defend ccp for abandoning eve gameplay development, so they can develop other games? And the bad analogies in these threads are never ending. Whatever, if people want to keep paying for a dead end game, ccp will happily keep taking your money for it.
Neem Karoli	Posted - 2011.07.03 02:59:00 - [36] I agree its annoying how all these people say get over it and defend the other games. Know I care about EVE I want to play EVE, I want more content, more bug fixes.... why is that so bad?
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.07.03 02:59:00 - [37] Fluff is meaningless I care about the focus and the focus has been and will continue to be Cash shop **, space barbie platform for WOD,setting the framework for Dust, and EVE spaceships come in last. Making EVE spaceships look new trumps fixes/iteration/balance of the game many of us signed up to play. You can't draw people in with cutting edge graphics in stations only to have them look at 3+ year old ship graphics/etc which is why CCP won't just turn the old hangar back on while the add the features they removed AND min specs are going to go up. Originally by:** Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
Reloadin	Posted - 2011.07.03 03:00:00 - [38] Originally by: G 0 D I just think you're all jumping the gun on this. Denying CCP the ability to diversify and grow as a company is in nobodies best interests. EvE has a limited lifespan, will it still be around in 2,5,10 years? Are CCP supposed to wait until eve is dead before exploring new ideas? CCP has a lot more staff now than they did eight years ago, so even if more than half of them are working on Dust/WoD there will still be more than there was working on eve. Well said.
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.03 04:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Reloadin Are CCP supposed to wait until eve is dead before exploring new ideas? /quote] Looks like they did, eve is pretty dead with 10% less players since the last expansion.
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.03 07:36:00 - [40] Originally by: G 0 D Originally by: Reloadin Are CCP supposed to wait until eve is dead before exploring new ideas? /quote] Looks like they did, eve is pretty dead with 10% less players since the last expansion. quote

RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.07.03 08:07:00 - [41] Robbing peter to pay Paul. Is what its called. Of course one of the owners is an Icelandic banker. That should tell you all you need to know.
Nizran L'Crit Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:16:00 - [42] What I am confused about is how everyone can call people complaining that no new content has really been introduced in internet spaceships in 2 years (Incursion is lolz, low dev requirements for not much in the way of content) whiners. This IS our game, how can everyone be ok with them spending all (most) of the dev money on other projects instead of continuing to work on EVE and make it even better. Sure space barbies and EMO online might be cool, but the ENTIRE playerbase at this point is focused around space pew-pewing. I am completely baffled by CCP's lack of attention to EVE, in fact, it has been stated that we can expect to wait 'til 2013 for another set of T3 ships. It sucks and doesn't make good business sense to not fix bugs and not create new content for their flagship game. Anyone who sits here and calls people who have a problem with this whiners or idiots or whatever are being disingenuous as I'm sure "deep-down" there is frustration with this as well. I love EVE and want to see it thrive and evolve (yeah space barbies is evolving, I know) but since the core gameplay is in space, maybe they should put some funds into making space better and more fleshed out. I wanna be L337!!!
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:31:00 - [43] Your not paying for the development of WoD, Dust or Eve. Your paying a subscription for the game as it exists now. CCP is delivering your service for the game as it exists now. Anything on top of that is bonus. If your unhappy with the game as it is then stop paying.
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:39:00 - [44] Originally by: Malcheus dudes, this is what healthy corporations do, stop worrying about it. if you buy a big mac at the McDonalds, do you demand that the profit goes in development of the big mac? no. EVE is exactly the same, you buy a burger each month, and they spend it however they want, if you don't agree, don't pay. Lol, well big mac is finished product allready, eve is not. If macdonalds develops it more, theyre going to call it something else then big mac. If big mac has as many bugs and unfinished features as eveonline has, macdonals could not sell any bigmacs. You would get something that dosent look anything like advertisement picture, majonaise might taste funny and salad shreds is few years old. and that meat in there would be smething that tastes like meat, but its not.. Thats how bigmac would be if it was like eveonline. * Revolution changes worlds * CCP, players are watching, no empty promises.
Usagi Tsukino Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:46:00 - [45] I just learned that some of the money I pay for my internet service goes towards expanding their market reach to other cities. I for one am outraged that a company would dare consider growing. ___ *Chaotic Dreams*
shoot me	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:53:00 - [46] I don't expect CCP will ever focus on Eve again in any meaningful way. Once WoD and Dust are released work will begin on expansions and content for those games. Eve, regretably is in its twilight years and CCP are not interested in internet spaceships anymore. This is why they are milking the customer base as much as possible with MT stores and doing the absolute minimum in maintanance to keep things going. The only additions eve will get from now on is code designed for the other games being developed. We will be used to beta test the code and engines being developed for WoD and Dust. Incarna and the MT shop being prime examples. I would love CCP to prove me wrong..
Dallenn Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.05 14:18:00 - [47] Originally by: G 0 D EvE has a limited lifespan, will it still be around in 2,5,10 years? Are CCP supposed to wait until eve is dead before exploring new ideas? CCP has a lot more staff now than they did eight years ago, so even if more than half of them are working on Dust/WoD there will still be more than there was working on eve. Eve could go on for another 10 years. The approach of the game, the level of challenge, and the spirit of the community are unique. Eve has been growing year to year and gaining more mindshare in the MMO space. The whole MMO business looks lucrative in the future. CCP has upgraded major parts of the Eve engine (and just look at Incarna and Carbon now) so why couldn't they do that in the future and be competitive in almost all respects with other MMOs. It would be foolish to turn their backs to Eve. CCP has to start addressing issues players have been clamoring for years once they feel they can bring in any resources from WoD/Dust/Incarna. Fed up with monocle wearing tyrants? Jericho Fraction
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.06 13:54:00 - [48] Edited by: jackaloped on 06/07/2011 13:54:24 Originally by: Khamelean Your not paying for the development of WoD, Dust or Eve. Your paying a subscription for the game as it exists now. CCP is delivering your service for the game as it exists now. Anything on top of that is bonus. If your unhappy with the game as it is then stop paying. done BTW anything at the press conference about this issue?
Cashcow Golden Goose	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:00:00 - [49] I bought a Zanussi washing machine, and now look, they are using it to develop cookers and fridges :( Schlongjockies the lot of them :( Whatever next? Well as long as they don't make motorbikes like my favourite lawnmower manufacturer Honda I'm ok with funding their non-washing machine excesses.
Cashcow Golden Goose	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:08:00 - [50] Edited by: Cashcow Golden Goose on 06/07/2011 14:09:06 Originally by: Dallenn Originally by: G 0 D EvE has a limited lifespan, will it still be around in 2,5,10 years? Are CCP supposed to wait until eve is dead before exploring new ideas? CCP has a lot more staff now than they did eight years ago, so even if more than half of them are working on Dust/WoD there will still be more than there was working on eve. Eve could go on for another 10 years. The approach of the game, the level of challenge, and the spirit of the community are unique. Eve has been growing year to year and gaining more mindshare in the MMO space. The whole MMO business looks lucrative in the future. CCP has upgraded major parts of the Eve engine (and just look at Incarna and Carbon now) so why couldn't they do that in the future and be competitive in almost all respects with other MMOs. It would be foolish to turn their backs to Eve. CCP has to start addressing issues players have been clamoring for years once they feel they can bring in any resources from WoD/Dust/Incarna. Suppose you had a TV network and you put out a program that generates 18 million viewers, you'd call it a win. Well what if that show had replaced something that generated 25 million viewers? What if somebody sold you a show that you reckon would generate 35 million viewers? Firefly, Futurama, both succesful, both canned. As Eve will be. Either Eve ponies up the levels of money that their "baby-sitting dollar" products, Dust and Twilight, are going to bring in or those Eve people will be retasked to clothe emo sparkly vampires. Greed is good? No, greed is ugly, greed is why I'm fat as a cow while people literally starve to death on my 50 inch TV screen. The best we can hope for is that Dust and World of Vampires strip players from WoW and are such huge successes that CCP sell the Eve brand to a small outfit that are prepared to keep Eve on for the relatively modest sums it generates. Because CCP has gone Skynet. CCP is dead, long live CCP.

Olvel	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:26:00 - [51] Most companies work on more than one project at a time. And most of those projects overlap in some way. Sure, right now some portion of the proceeds from EVE is going to fund development for WoD and DUST. Some portion of those proceeds is also going to pay for sweeping the floors and stocking the soda machine and whatever else. It isn't like absolutely every single penny is funneled directly and exclusively into EVE. And, assuming the new games are successful, both WoD and DUST will eventually contribute funding back into EVE.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.07.06 16:09:00 - [52] Psst, OP! The players of this game would like to have word with you. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
DECEPTIBROW	Posted - 2011.07.11 07:46:00 - [53] Agree with OP. The last 3 expansions have added nothing to the game for me. It's obvious that CCP are only interested in console shooters, second life rip offs, spacebooks, and mindless clickfests.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.11 08:22:00 - [54] Originally by: DECEPTIBROW Agree with OP. The last 3 expansions have added nothing to the game for me. It's obvious that CCP are only interested in console shooters, second life rip offs, spacebooks, and mindless clickfests. So your argument is based on the fact that CCP have released no content that interests you in Eve therefore they have spent no money working on eve? To follow your logic. Since they have released no content at all for Dust for WoD, they clearly have not been working on them either.
TrimethylChromiumdioxide	Posted - 2011.07.11 08:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Malcheus dudes, this is what healthy corporations do, stop worrying about it. if you buy a big mac at the McDonalds, do you demand that the profit goes in development of the big mac? no. EVE is exactly the same, you buy a burger each month, and they spend it however they want, if you don't agree, don't pay. Although I agree with this to an extent, the argument remains that CCP set the precedent for expansions that were paid for by subscriptions. They advertise(d) free expansions. True expansions stopped some time ago. And now we get microtransactions on top of subscriptions, while still no real eve development is going on. People who still want to play the game quite justly have a beef with this, because they're faced with the problem of either quitting to make a statement of discontent, or keeping on paying money to basically approve of a much poorer service than what has been given in the past for the same price (if you include mt's; a slightly higher price). *****ing and moaning on the forums is about the only middle ground there. There is no burger king approximation for eve. I personally am letting my accounts expire and will not send another penny until significant improvments (aka bugfixing, classic eve content expansions) and the removal of mt's from eve are realized. Which will probably be never. Oh well.
Aodha Khan Minmatar Deviance Cartel Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2011.07.11 09:23:00 - [56] Originally by: Usagi Tsukino I just learned that some of the money I pay for my internet service goes towards expanding their market reach to other cities. Is the service from your internet suffering because of this? No. So stfu. Not much more to say on this issue which hasn't already been said. 2 accounts cancelled and 2 more remaining. CCP, it's your decision how this goes forward... Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken.
Aodha Khan Minmatar Deviance Cartel Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2011.07.11 09:25:00 - [57] Originally by: Khamelean So your argument is based on the fact that CCP have released no content that interests you in Eve therefore they have spent no money working on eve? To follow your logic. Since they have released no content at all for Dust for WoD, they clearly have not been working on them either. Dust and Vampires Online are games in development so you shouldn't see released content. Eve on the other hand has been released and new content and fixes/improvements are expected. You fanboys really are not thinking clearly. Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.11 09:45:00 - [58] Originally by: Aodha Khan Originally by: Khamelean So your argument is based on the fact that CCP have released no content that interests you in Eve therefore they have spent no money working on eve? To follow your logic. Since they have released no content at all for Dust for WoD, they clearly have not been working on them either. Dust and Vampires Online are games in development so you shouldn't see released content. Eve on the other hand has been released and new content and fixes/improvements are expected. You fanboys really are not thinking clearly. Why are they expected? You pay a subscription for a service, the service is provided as Eve in it's current state. Yes development gets done to make Eve better, but that's not what your paying for, that's CCP spending it's profits on improving it's business. That's why there called free expansions, they ARE free. Subscriptions pay for the development that has already been done, not ongoing development. That's CCP spending it'd profits however it sees fit.
Oyuki Sada	Posted - 2011.07.11 12:00:00 - [59] We don't subscribe to a finished product, we subscribe to an evolving product. CCP sold me a Big Mac, great. But should I continue to pay them for the privilege of passing it through my digestive system?
Pok Nibin Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.11 12:14:00 - [60] Originally by: G 0 D Originally by: G 0 D Originally by: Reloadin Are CCP supposed to wait until eve is dead before exploring new ideas? /quote] Looks like they did, eve is pretty dead with 10% less players since the last expansion. quote Though I'm awed that you'd come down from your lofty height and post with us mere mortals, Your Immensity, it would seem you'd contribute as mightily to your own discussion as you did when you made the little birdies in the sky. Please wait as this sig- nature finishes loading



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