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G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:00:00 - [1] When do you think that CCP will focus on EVE again, instead of their new games? The last 3 expansion have been a joke and only added fluff.
Veldah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:11:00 - [2] Agreed 100%. They use EVE players as cows milking them to pay for development of other games. And lets not call those patches expansions. I'm starting to think they might just ditch eve after developing WOD.
Yarrrrrhh	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:11:00 - [3] Who cares about expansions. And let CCP develop WoD and DUST if they want to. Fixing bugs and balancing **** is what's needed. I can live with little to no content being added to the game.
Onyx Blackman	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Veldah Agreed 100%. They use EVE players as cows milking them to pay for development of other games. And lets not call those patches expansions. I'm starting to think they might just ditch eve after developing WOD. Probably the least subtle alt post I have ever seen.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:24:00 - [5] Originally by: G 0 D When do you think that CCP will focus on EVE again, instead of their new games? The last 3 expansion have been a joke and only added fluff. CCP is still hard at work on eve, Linkage. The hardest work almost always takes place under the hood, just because the results of their work my not be immediately visible, doesn't mean they aren't working their buts off making improvements.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.02 19:53:00 - [6] CCP zulu explained that there are very few devs assigned to in space feature (what i call game play features since there is no gameplay in incarnatransactions)at all. That is whether you are talking about fixing old stuff or creating new content. Until that changes no improvements of any sort will happen for eve's gameplay.
Teroxian	Posted - 2011.07.02 20:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Khamelean Originally by: G 0 D When do you think that CCP will focus on EVE again, instead of their new games? The last 3 expansion have been a joke and only added fluff. CCP is still hard at work on eve, Linkage. The hardest work almost always takes place under the hood, just because the results of their work my not be immediately visible, doesn't mean they aren't working their buts off making improvements. Uh over half the stuff on this list never even happened. Its quite obvious whats going on, the past 5 expansions have been worse then EVE's first expansion. CCP doesn't care and is floating as much resources as they can to Dust and Wod and all we get is table scraps. The work CCP has put in these past 6 or so expansions have bee incredibly weak, failed promises, unfinished content. The game has lots of problems which CCP doesn't seem to care to fix.
Malcheus	Posted - 2011.07.02 20:08:00 - [8] dudes, this is what healthy corporations do, stop worrying about it. if you buy a big mac at the McDonalds, do you demand that the profit goes in development of the big mac? no. EVE is exactly the same, you buy a burger each month, and they spend it however they want, if you don't agree, don't pay.
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:03:00 - [9] Originally by: Veldah Agreed 100%. They use EVE players as cows milking them to pay for development of other games. And lets not call those patches expansions. I'm starting to think they might just ditch eve after developing WOD.
Tsukimaru Amarr 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:05:00 - [10] I can't wait for WOD. But I'd be willing to be patient enough for them to polish it off to a shine.

Nuhm DeAra	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:07:00 - [11] Originally by: G 0 D When do you think that CCP will focus on EVE again, instead of their new games? The last 3 expansion have been a joke and only added fluff. You forgot to throw your hourly Perpetuum ad into this post.
Giclas	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:14:00 - [12] I loved Vampires, the masquerade: Bloodlines, so I looked forward to an MMO in the WoD. If CCP/WhiteWolf takes my subscription money and develops a dark and harsh MMO around this and not some vanilla-****, I guess I would be totally enjoying it.
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Nuhm DeAra Originally by: G 0 D You forgot to throw your hourly Perpetuum ad into this post. Now I only have to watch players like you do it for me. Thanks.
Nick Bete Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:23:00 - [14] Grow up, bonehead. That's like saying to GM, "I bought a Chevy and I hate those Cadillac driving bastards. I don't want my money going to finance Cadillac development! Waaaah!" Sorry sunshine, but in here on the planet with the blue sky it doesn't work like that. I sometimes think they should have minimum age and IQ requirements for posting on these forums.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:27:00 - [15] the problem isnt that they are developing those games, its just that it seems to be ONLY those games. what eve needs is some good old fashioned bug squashing for new features... dont do anything or add new ship models, i like the new maller its pretty cool maybe do all of a specific class, new battleships then new frigates, then cruisers.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:29:00 - [16] I grew up with pen and paper vampire the masquerade and played the game. I love the developers and whitewolf and the ones who made VTM: Bloodlines. If CCP can make the MMO as harsh and as unforgiving as eve online, then i dont really care cause i will play both.
ninjaholic	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:34:00 - [17] Edited by: ninjaholic on 02/07/2011 21:35:45 Whiners. CCP are still developing Eve-Online in addition to Dust514 and WoD. And those games will pay for Eve-Online if they take off. Idiots. + Support EVE's own IN-GAME fight record tool!
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk I grew up with pen and paper vampire the masquerade and played the game. I love the developers and whitewolf and the ones who made VTM: Bloodlines. If CCP can make the MMO as harsh and as unforgiving as eve online, then i dont really care cause i will play both. Unfortunately Obsidian too many hardcore EVE players could care less for what ever reason. I for one hope they go crazy with VTM but only time will tell. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:37:00 - [19] If WoD and DUST 514 generates enough surplus revenue, then those two games will be funding for EVE as well. A long shot, but not an impossibility. ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Zulu It is CCPæs plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. ...... We'll see.
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Herping yourDerp the problem isnt that they are developing those games, its just that it seems to be ONLY those games.

VKhaun Vex	Posted - 2011.07.02 21:53:00 - [21] I've seen exactly this done in other games. DDO went F2Play by milking it's subs for something like 11 months. Some say 10, some say as long as 13, but 'a year' is a fair statement. I won't be giving Turbine any more of my money. CCP on the other hand I'm very happy with. They have been reasonable -if quiet- and just the nature of the CSM is astoundingly positive to me. Long term players also tunnel vision on the recent and forget the nature of the game they've been playing. EVE is a fantastic game. Did you know that? Did you forget it? I actually have no problem with my $ going to WoD and Dust. Dust I am less interested in, but will be a part of EVE and so I'm okay with it. WoD I am completely psyched for and would probably make donations to it's development DIRECTLY in exchange for something on the same trivial scale as a Monocle. An infinite-use black dye would be my personal thought. Something that the game would use so dev time wasn't wasted, but altered for convenience. Also this: Quote: The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with äship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date. Until that functionality is added back in, the option to load station environments will remain in the Settings menu. If I hadn't bought any PLEX, I would buy more after reading that level of commitment to a player base. This issue would be ENTIRELY and COMPLETELY negligable to any other game developer I've ever heard of. TONS of games out there have little details like this that are very do-able and wanted but are never bothered with. CCP just goes... okay cool np... and there you have it. No mandatory station env until we get spinny ship dock back. The Devil is in the details people. Games will always have patches and decisions that will disagree with your own notions and ideas, but a company that listens to something like this is one to stay with. IMHO Quote: Nothing in EVE will ever require real life money, as long as players are selling PLEX for ISK. Not even the monocle! http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/currencyCycle.jpg
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:29:00 - [22] Originally by: G 0 D When do you think that CCP will focus on EVE again, instead of their new games? The last 3 expansion have been a joke and only added fluff.
Ianus Caldari Geminus Gateway	Posted - 2011.07.02 23:38:00 - [23] Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Who cares about expansions. And let CCP develop WoD and DUST if they want to. Fixing bugs and balancing **** is what's needed. I can live with little to no content being added to the game. This ^ Although I am slightly buggered by the fact they took on TWO major projects at the same time with EVE as the sole capital. And never forget it.
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.03 00:01:00 - [24] Originally by: VKhaun Vex I've seen exactly this done in other games. DDO went F2Play by milking it's subs for something like 11 months. Some say 10, some say as long as 13, but 'a year' is a fair statement. I won't be giving Turbine any more of my money. Well, you won't have to worry about that anymore, because it's owned by Warner Brothers now. I still have a DDO account; not hard when the subscription is free. I haven't really played in a year, except to level a couple toons a bit, and keep my second generation of toons from being deleted. First ones were, as I didn't log on for more than 6 months. F2P ftw.. yeah, not really. It's good for keeping an account open, but doesn't make the game any more interesting, especially when you have to sub to get access to content, or buy it outright so you don't have to maintain a sub to have it. Originally by: "VKhaun Vex" If I hadn't bought any PLEX, I would buy more after reading that level of commitment to a player base. This issue would be ENTIRELY and COMPLETELY negligable to any other game developer I've ever heard of. TONS of games out there have little details like this that are very do-able and wanted but are never bothered with. CCP just goes... okay cool np... and there you have it. No mandatory station env until we get spinny ship dock back. The Devil is in the details people. Games will always have patches and decisions that will disagree with your own notions and ideas, but a company that listens to something like this is one to stay with. IMHO Glad to hear some positive reinforcement of CCPs MasterplanÖ Quite right. CCPs shown a level of dedication to their player base that is unheard of here. Very impressed!
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.03 00:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Ianus Originally by: Yarrrrrhh they took on TWO major projects at the same time with EVE as the sole capital.
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.03 01:21:00 - [26] Originally by: G 0 D Originally by: Ianus Originally by: Yarrrrrhh they took on TWO major projects at the same time with EVE as the sole capital.
JMERCENARY	Posted - 2011.07.03 01:30:00 - [27] Edited by: JMERCENARY on 03/07/2011 01:33:16 Edited by: JMERCENARY on 03/07/2011 01:32:26 Originally by: G 0 D When do you think that CCP will focus on EVE again, instead of their new games? The last 3 expansion have been a joke and only added fluff. I don't care for another fantasy MMO, neither for a shooter PS3 game because I am not planing to buy a PS3 neither to subscribe to a fantasy game. CCP should get their act together. It's like you give money to a grocery store to buy fruits and they try to give you for instance building materials. This is madness!! Originally by: Khamelean Originally by: G 0 D When do you think that CCP will focus on EVE again, instead of their new games? The last 3 expansion have been a joke and only added fluff. CCP is still hard at work on eve, Linkage. The hardest work almost always takes place under the hood, just because the results of their work my not be immediately visible, doesn't mean they aren't working their buts off making improvements. You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
Onyx Blackman	Posted - 2011.07.03 01:33:00 - [28] Originally by: JMERCENARY You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Boy, you sure told them.
JMERCENARY	Posted - 2011.07.03 01:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Onyx Blackman Originally by: JMERCENARY You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Boy, you sure told them. Why make long posts explaining the obvious which is that CCP is not working at EVE atm.
JMERCENARY	Posted - 2011.07.03 01:37:00 - [30] Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver If WoD and DUST 514 generates enough surplus revenue, then those two games will be funding for EVE as well. A long shot, but not an impossibility. You know this how?

Wangston Hughes	Posted - 2011.07.03 01:39:00 - [31] Originally by: JMERCENARY Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver If WoD and DUST 514 generates enough surplus revenue, then those two games will be funding for EVE as well. A long shot, but not an impossibility. You know this how? Your posts are very bad. Please stop.
Majuan Shuo Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.07.03 01:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Fixing bugs and balancing **** is what's needed. I can live with little to no content being added to the game. Fixing bugs and adding new buggy content both cost money and comparable time. "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP
Rividien Calennand	Posted - 2011.07.03 01:42:00 - [33] Originally by: JMERCENARY Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver If WoD and DUST 514 generates enough surplus revenue, then those two games will be funding for EVE as well. A long shot, but not an impossibility. You know this how? 'cause the money will be all in the hand of one company (namely CCP) that is going to use their funds on the game that more need it, it is not that the money gotten from WoD can be used only to give WoD new contents. this is how a company work.
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.03 02:04:00 - [34] Originally by: JMERCENARY Why make long posts explaining the obvious which is that CCP is not working at EVE atm.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.03 02:52:00 - [35] Edited by: jackaloped on 03/07/2011 02:53:03 Originally by: JMERCENARY Originally by: Onyx Blackman Originally by: JMERCENARY You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Boy, you sure told them. Why make long posts explaining the obvious which is that CCP is not working at EVE atm. Isn't funny how many players are so quick to defend ccp for abandoning eve gameplay development, so they can develop other games? And the bad analogies in these threads are never ending. Whatever, if people want to keep paying for a dead end game, ccp will happily keep taking your money for it.
Neem Karoli	Posted - 2011.07.03 02:59:00 - [36] I agree its annoying how all these people say get over it and defend the other games. Know I care about EVE I want to play EVE, I want more content, more bug fixes.... why is that so bad?
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.07.03 02:59:00 - [37] Fluff is meaningless I care about the focus and the focus has been and will continue to be Cash shop **, space barbie platform for WOD,setting the framework for Dust, and EVE spaceships come in last. Making EVE spaceships look new trumps fixes/iteration/balance of the game many of us signed up to play. You can't draw people in with cutting edge graphics in stations only to have them look at 3+ year old ship graphics/etc which is why CCP won't just turn the old hangar back on while the add the features they removed AND min specs are going to go up. Originally by:** Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
Reloadin	Posted - 2011.07.03 03:00:00 - [38] Originally by: G 0 D I just think you're all jumping the gun on this. Denying CCP the ability to diversify and grow as a company is in nobodies best interests. EvE has a limited lifespan, will it still be around in 2,5,10 years? Are CCP supposed to wait until eve is dead before exploring new ideas? CCP has a lot more staff now than they did eight years ago, so even if more than half of them are working on Dust/WoD there will still be more than there was working on eve. Well said.
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.03 04:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Reloadin Are CCP supposed to wait until eve is dead before exploring new ideas? /quote] Looks like they did, eve is pretty dead with 10% less players since the last expansion.
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.03 07:36:00 - [40] Originally by: G 0 D Originally by: Reloadin Are CCP supposed to wait until eve is dead before exploring new ideas? /quote] Looks like they did, eve is pretty dead with 10% less players since the last expansion. quote

RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.07.03 08:07:00 - [41] Robbing peter to pay Paul. Is what its called. Of course one of the owners is an Icelandic banker. That should tell you all you need to know.
Nizran L'Crit Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:16:00 - [42] What I am confused about is how everyone can call people complaining that no new content has really been introduced in internet spaceships in 2 years (Incursion is lolz, low dev requirements for not much in the way of content) whiners. This IS our game, how can everyone be ok with them spending all (most) of the dev money on other projects instead of continuing to work on EVE and make it even better. Sure space barbies and EMO online might be cool, but the ENTIRE playerbase at this point is focused around space pew-pewing. I am completely baffled by CCP's lack of attention to EVE, in fact, it has been stated that we can expect to wait 'til 2013 for another set of T3 ships. It sucks and doesn't make good business sense to not fix bugs and not create new content for their flagship game. Anyone who sits here and calls people who have a problem with this whiners or idiots or whatever are being disingenuous as I'm sure "deep-down" there is frustration with this as well. I love EVE and want to see it thrive and evolve (yeah space barbies is evolving, I know) but since the core gameplay is in space, maybe they should put some funds into making space better and more fleshed out. I wanna be L337!!!
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:31:00 - [43] Your not paying for the development of WoD, Dust or Eve. Your paying a subscription for the game as it exists now. CCP is delivering your service for the game as it exists now. Anything on top of that is bonus. If your unhappy with the game as it is then stop paying.
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:39:00 - [44] Originally by: Malcheus dudes, this is what healthy corporations do, stop worrying about it. if you buy a big mac at the McDonalds, do you demand that the profit goes in development of the big mac? no. EVE is exactly the same, you buy a burger each month, and they spend it however they want, if you don't agree, don't pay. Lol, well big mac is finished product allready, eve is not. If macdonalds develops it more, theyre going to call it something else then big mac. If big mac has as many bugs and unfinished features as eveonline has, macdonals could not sell any bigmacs. You would get something that dosent look anything like advertisement picture, majonaise might taste funny and salad shreds is few years old. and that meat in there would be smething that tastes like meat, but its not.. Thats how bigmac would be if it was like eveonline. * Revolution changes worlds * CCP, players are watching, no empty promises.
Usagi Tsukino Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:46:00 - [45] I just learned that some of the money I pay for my internet service goes towards expanding their market reach to other cities. I for one am outraged that a company would dare consider growing. ___ *Chaotic Dreams*
shoot me	Posted - 2011.07.04 16:53:00 - [46] I don't expect CCP will ever focus on Eve again in any meaningful way. Once WoD and Dust are released work will begin on expansions and content for those games. Eve, regretably is in its twilight years and CCP are not interested in internet spaceships anymore. This is why they are milking the customer base as much as possible with MT stores and doing the absolute minimum in maintanance to keep things going. The only additions eve will get from now on is code designed for the other games being developed. We will be used to beta test the code and engines being developed for WoD and Dust. Incarna and the MT shop being prime examples. I would love CCP to prove me wrong..
Dallenn Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.07.05 14:18:00 - [47] Originally by: G 0 D EvE has a limited lifespan, will it still be around in 2,5,10 years? Are CCP supposed to wait until eve is dead before exploring new ideas? CCP has a lot more staff now than they did eight years ago, so even if more than half of them are working on Dust/WoD there will still be more than there was working on eve. Eve could go on for another 10 years. The approach of the game, the level of challenge, and the spirit of the community are unique. Eve has been growing year to year and gaining more mindshare in the MMO space. The whole MMO business looks lucrative in the future. CCP has upgraded major parts of the Eve engine (and just look at Incarna and Carbon now) so why couldn't they do that in the future and be competitive in almost all respects with other MMOs. It would be foolish to turn their backs to Eve. CCP has to start addressing issues players have been clamoring for years once they feel they can bring in any resources from WoD/Dust/Incarna. Fed up with monocle wearing tyrants? Jericho Fraction
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.06 13:54:00 - [48] Edited by: jackaloped on 06/07/2011 13:54:24 Originally by: Khamelean Your not paying for the development of WoD, Dust or Eve. Your paying a subscription for the game as it exists now. CCP is delivering your service for the game as it exists now. Anything on top of that is bonus. If your unhappy with the game as it is then stop paying. done BTW anything at the press conference about this issue?
Cashcow Golden Goose	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:00:00 - [49] I bought a Zanussi washing machine, and now look, they are using it to develop cookers and fridges :( Schlongjockies the lot of them :( Whatever next? Well as long as they don't make motorbikes like my favourite lawnmower manufacturer Honda I'm ok with funding their non-washing machine excesses.
Cashcow Golden Goose	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:08:00 - [50] Edited by: Cashcow Golden Goose on 06/07/2011 14:09:06 Originally by: Dallenn Originally by: G 0 D EvE has a limited lifespan, will it still be around in 2,5,10 years? Are CCP supposed to wait until eve is dead before exploring new ideas? CCP has a lot more staff now than they did eight years ago, so even if more than half of them are working on Dust/WoD there will still be more than there was working on eve. Eve could go on for another 10 years. The approach of the game, the level of challenge, and the spirit of the community are unique. Eve has been growing year to year and gaining more mindshare in the MMO space. The whole MMO business looks lucrative in the future. CCP has upgraded major parts of the Eve engine (and just look at Incarna and Carbon now) so why couldn't they do that in the future and be competitive in almost all respects with other MMOs. It would be foolish to turn their backs to Eve. CCP has to start addressing issues players have been clamoring for years once they feel they can bring in any resources from WoD/Dust/Incarna. Suppose you had a TV network and you put out a program that generates 18 million viewers, you'd call it a win. Well what if that show had replaced something that generated 25 million viewers? What if somebody sold you a show that you reckon would generate 35 million viewers? Firefly, Futurama, both succesful, both canned. As Eve will be. Either Eve ponies up the levels of money that their "baby-sitting dollar" products, Dust and Twilight, are going to bring in or those Eve people will be retasked to clothe emo sparkly vampires. Greed is good? No, greed is ugly, greed is why I'm fat as a cow while people literally starve to death on my 50 inch TV screen. The best we can hope for is that Dust and World of Vampires strip players from WoW and are such huge successes that CCP sell the Eve brand to a small outfit that are prepared to keep Eve on for the relatively modest sums it generates. Because CCP has gone Skynet. CCP is dead, long live CCP.

Olvel	Posted - 2011.07.06 14:26:00 - [51] Most companies work on more than one project at a time. And most of those projects overlap in some way. Sure, right now some portion of the proceeds from EVE is going to fund development for WoD and DUST. Some portion of those proceeds is also going to pay for sweeping the floors and stocking the soda machine and whatever else. It isn't like absolutely every single penny is funneled directly and exclusively into EVE. And, assuming the new games are successful, both WoD and DUST will eventually contribute funding back into EVE.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.07.06 16:09:00 - [52] Psst, OP! The players of this game would like to have word with you. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
DECEPTIBROW	Posted - 2011.07.11 07:46:00 - [53] Agree with OP. The last 3 expansions have added nothing to the game for me. It's obvious that CCP are only interested in console shooters, second life rip offs, spacebooks, and mindless clickfests.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.11 08:22:00 - [54] Originally by: DECEPTIBROW Agree with OP. The last 3 expansions have added nothing to the game for me. It's obvious that CCP are only interested in console shooters, second life rip offs, spacebooks, and mindless clickfests. So your argument is based on the fact that CCP have released no content that interests you in Eve therefore they have spent no money working on eve? To follow your logic. Since they have released no content at all for Dust for WoD, they clearly have not been working on them either.
TrimethylChromiumdioxide	Posted - 2011.07.11 08:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Malcheus dudes, this is what healthy corporations do, stop worrying about it. if you buy a big mac at the McDonalds, do you demand that the profit goes in development of the big mac? no. EVE is exactly the same, you buy a burger each month, and they spend it however they want, if you don't agree, don't pay. Although I agree with this to an extent, the argument remains that CCP set the precedent for expansions that were paid for by subscriptions. They advertise(d) free expansions. True expansions stopped some time ago. And now we get microtransactions on top of subscriptions, while still no real eve development is going on. People who still want to play the game quite justly have a beef with this, because they're faced with the problem of either quitting to make a statement of discontent, or keeping on paying money to basically approve of a much poorer service than what has been given in the past for the same price (if you include mt's; a slightly higher price). *****ing and moaning on the forums is about the only middle ground there. There is no burger king approximation for eve. I personally am letting my accounts expire and will not send another penny until significant improvments (aka bugfixing, classic eve content expansions) and the removal of mt's from eve are realized. Which will probably be never. Oh well.
Aodha Khan Minmatar Deviance Cartel Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2011.07.11 09:23:00 - [56] Originally by: Usagi Tsukino I just learned that some of the money I pay for my internet service goes towards expanding their market reach to other cities. Is the service from your internet suffering because of this? No. So stfu. Not much more to say on this issue which hasn't already been said. 2 accounts cancelled and 2 more remaining. CCP, it's your decision how this goes forward... Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken.
Aodha Khan Minmatar Deviance Cartel Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2011.07.11 09:25:00 - [57] Originally by: Khamelean So your argument is based on the fact that CCP have released no content that interests you in Eve therefore they have spent no money working on eve? To follow your logic. Since they have released no content at all for Dust for WoD, they clearly have not been working on them either. Dust and Vampires Online are games in development so you shouldn't see released content. Eve on the other hand has been released and new content and fixes/improvements are expected. You fanboys really are not thinking clearly. Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.11 09:45:00 - [58] Originally by: Aodha Khan Originally by: Khamelean So your argument is based on the fact that CCP have released no content that interests you in Eve therefore they have spent no money working on eve? To follow your logic. Since they have released no content at all for Dust for WoD, they clearly have not been working on them either. Dust and Vampires Online are games in development so you shouldn't see released content. Eve on the other hand has been released and new content and fixes/improvements are expected. You fanboys really are not thinking clearly. Why are they expected? You pay a subscription for a service, the service is provided as Eve in it's current state. Yes development gets done to make Eve better, but that's not what your paying for, that's CCP spending it's profits on improving it's business. That's why there called free expansions, they ARE free. Subscriptions pay for the development that has already been done, not ongoing development. That's CCP spending it'd profits however it sees fit.
Oyuki Sada	Posted - 2011.07.11 12:00:00 - [59] We don't subscribe to a finished product, we subscribe to an evolving product. CCP sold me a Big Mac, great. But should I continue to pay them for the privilege of passing it through my digestive system?
Pok Nibin Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.11 12:14:00 - [60] Originally by: G 0 D Originally by: G 0 D Originally by: Reloadin Are CCP supposed to wait until eve is dead before exploring new ideas? /quote] Looks like they did, eve is pretty dead with 10% less players since the last expansion. quote Though I'm awed that you'd come down from your lofty height and post with us mere mortals, Your Immensity, it would seem you'd contribute as mightily to your own discussion as you did when you made the little birdies in the sky. Please wait as this sig- nature finishes loading

Kusanagi Kasuga	Posted - 2011.07.11 13:41:00 - [61] When WoD and DUST bomb, then CCP will refocus on EVE. You know what you have to do.
Cashcow Golden Goose	Posted - 2011.07.11 13:51:00 - [62] Originally by: Kusanagi Kasuga When WoD and DUST bomb, then CCP will refocus on EVE. You know what you have to do. You're adorable. I rather imagine they will start work on World of Ponies. CCP would literally rather do anything that work on Eve.
Aodha Khan Minmatar Deviance Cartel Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2011.07.11 14:41:00 - [63] Originally by: Khamelean Why are they expected? You pay a subscription for a service, the service is provided as Eve in it's current state. Wrong! Eve and almost all MMORPG are games which are constantly evolving and improving. That's the original vision of CCP if you bothered to read. Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken.
Aodha Khan Minmatar Deviance Cartel Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2011.07.11 14:44:00 - [64] Originally by: Kusanagi Kasuga When WoD and DUST bomb, then CCP will refocus on EVE. You know what you have to do. CCP finances are tied into the success of those two games so if they fail badly then don't be too sure that CCP will still be around in it's current form. Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken.
Diomedes Calypso Aetolian Armada	Posted - 2011.07.11 14:50:00 - [65] All i'm concerned with is that what resources are devoted will be towards steering players to new MT enviroments and most importantly, that UI improvments will cost isk/aurum/$ I'm still not over the (to me offensive) notion that things like the ship fitting numbers which were limmited by recent change will have thier numbers expandable for a cost (as per the Fearless memo)
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.07.11 15:00:00 - [66] Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 11/07/2011 15:00:11 Originally by: Khamelean Why are they expected? You pay a subscription for a service, the service is provided as Eve in it's current state. Yes development gets done to make Eve better, but that's not what your paying for, that's CCP spending it's profits on improving it's business. That's why there called free expansions, they ARE free. Subscriptions pay for the development that has already been done, not ongoing development. That's CCP spending it'd profits however it sees fit. Boy this is wrong the MMO sub model is based off delayed development. No you do not pay money for just as is... You also pay money for extra content later down the line as well. Expansion (In most formulas) are bulk content, and thus the buy in price. But your money does go towards further development.
Important Person	Posted - 2011.07.11 15:04:00 - [67] I'm sorry. All your money from subscriptions that was earmarked for development was spent on the emergency csm summit to deal with illiterate forumites who made a fuss over nothing and had to have the same statements reiterated for them. Maybe next year.
Khadann Caldari Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere	Posted - 2011.07.11 17:20:00 - [68] Come on, that's a classic in the videogame industry and others... WOW subscribers are currently paying for the development of TITAN, the next gen mmo of Blizzard. When you develop a game like SWTOR, which cost over 10 millions, you don't hire 20 new dev, you transfert most of existing devs from a project to another one and so on... Once Dust released, a few dev will keep working on it. The rest of them will go work on .... WOD ! We have also to consider than one day, CCP will stop developing 2 eve expansions a year for free... In some years, they will consider they have done enough development and that the game is complete enough to remain as it is and bring regular profits... they'll let it die basically. Hya!
Nerodon Gallente Incapsulated Reality	Posted - 2011.07.11 18:50:00 - [69] Originally by: Blacksquirrel Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 11/07/2011 15:00:11 Originally by: Khamelean Why are they expected? You pay a subscription for a service, the service is provided as Eve in it's current state. Yes development gets done to make Eve better, but that's not what your paying for, that's CCP spending it's profits on improving it's business. That's why there called free expansions, they ARE free. Subscriptions pay for the development that has already been done, not ongoing development. That's CCP spending it'd profits however it sees fit. Boy this is wrong the MMO sub model is based off delayed development. No you do not pay money for just as is... You also pay money for extra content later down the line as well. Expansion (In most formulas) are bulk content, and thus the buy in price. But your money does go towards further development. So is that why WoW players pay 40$ for each expansion because it comes in bulk? And that all new players must buy all the expansions in order to access the new content? Don't you come and tell me that WoW players pay subs to get access to future content, they don't, they buy the new content separately from their sub, the sub is just to be allowed to play the content they've already purchased. Using the excuse that Blizzard charges for expansions because it releases more content in bulk is moronic. Eve's expansions are smaller because they happen every 6 months and not every 2 years. Now stop talking out of your a**, Eve expansions are given as extra, the EULA states that you pay for access to the product as is, there is no entitlement to anything! Eve could be shut down tomorrow and there's nothing you could do about it because the company doesn't owe you anything.
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.07.11 19:24:00 - [70] lol didnt you read the part on expansions... Have you ever played any other MMO's? You still get content in between expansions. Expansions are just that a MASS of content. Usually stuff that has been in development for a a year or more. I can honestly say every large MMO i've played has had plenty of free stuff added (not just bug fixes).

Nerodon Gallente Incapsulated Reality	Posted - 2011.07.11 19:59:00 - [71] Originally by: Blacksquirrel Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 11/07/2011 19:28:20 lol didnt you read the part on expansions... Have you ever played any other MMO's? You still get content in between expansions. Expansions are just that a MASS of content. Usually stuff that has been in development for a a year or more. I can honestly say every large MMO i've played has had plenty of free stuff added (not just bug fixes). Which is expected by customers in MMO's is that there will be more development later on... Or else why you pay a sub fee greater than X amount of months knowing that nothing will change later? MMO's work on delayed content... Hell nearly all of them state "We plan on adding such and such later" even before the game launches. Okay, assuming you are correct on delayed content, that dosen't mean the players are entitled to it. The mentioning of delayed content development is only a marketing thing to convince you that you are making an investment instead of just paying blindly. Although in most case it is true that future development is on the horizon, their quality/frequency is not guaranteed, neither is percentage of the profits dedicated to that new content. Every player pay in the hopes that improvements and upgrades come, the company has no real obligation to give them all of this but will do it in order to keep the subscribers happy. But in the end, the money gained from subscriptions is theirs and they can do anything they want with it. If I play WoW, should I be angry that money has gone in the development of Diablo 3? Or before that, Starcraft 2? Why would I? Why should CCP be any different? I can see why some people want CCP to focus only on Eve, but that's being unrealistic, but that dosen't mean they don't work at all on eve they still do, maybe its not as good as you'd want it to be, well that's possible and the quality of Eve may suffer and that's life. In no way does CCP owe you more though, I wonder where anyone would get that idea. If the product loses your interest, you are welcomed to stop paying for it. It's CCP's job to keep the game improving in order to retain the customer base, not because they owe them anything, because they generate income when satisfied and kept subscribed for longer periods of time.
Jaehawn	Posted - 2011.07.11 20:34:00 - [72] CCP can do whatever they want with their money but we are also free to stop giving it too them. The only real answer is to stop giving them more money. They have already said they aren't concerned with the playerbases knee jerk reaction to Incarna. They are committed to WoD and Dust so you can keep playing and hoping they might throw you a bone once a year if you want. Long as the golden goose keeps laying eggs nothing changes, and if anyone makes a comment yeah I already cancelled still have time on my account and you cant have my stuff. Thats why that call it my stuff.
Nerodon Gallente Incapsulated Reality	Posted - 2011.07.11 20:42:00 - [73] Yes, we are free to stop paying for Eve and leave. In the end, it's CCP's problem. If they want to keep their players they'll find a way to do so. If what they do isn't enough, well the consequences are their's to deal with. Trust/betrayal, hope/disapointement It's all sort of irrelevant, you play because you want to play, you stop playing because you no longer want to play. Eve is still enjoyable? Yay! Eve is no longer enjoyable? Boo! If eve is to die, so be it, I'll be sad, but life goes on.
Trainwreck McGee	Posted - 2011.07.11 20:48:00 - [74] PI - for Dust Incursions - probably took very little effort to implement this in comparison to all other new features CQ - initial test for WOD It obvious where CCP's focus is
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.07.11 23:25:00 - [75] Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 11/07/2011 23:25:56 Originally by: Nerodon Edited by: Nerodon on 11/07/2011 20:10:42 Originally by: Blacksquirrel Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 11/07/2011 19:28:20 lol didnt you read the part on expansions... Have you ever played any other MMO's? You still get content in between expansions. Expansions are just that a MASS of content. Usually stuff that has been in development for a a year or more. I can honestly say every large MMO i've played has had plenty of free stuff added (not just bug fixes). Which is expected by customers in MMO's is that there will be more development later on... Or else why you pay a sub fee greater than X amount of months knowing that nothing will change later? MMO's work on delayed content... Hell nearly all of them state "We plan on adding such and such later" even before the game launches. Okay, assuming you are correct on delayed content, that dosen't mean the players are entitled to it. The mentioning of delayed content development is only a marketing thing to convince you that you are making an investment instead of just paying blindly. Although in most case it is true that future development is on the horizon, their quality/frequency is not guaranteed, neither is percentage of the profits dedicated to that new content. Every player pay in the hopes that improvements and upgrades come, the company has no real obligation to give them all of this but will do it in order to keep the subscribers happy. But in the end, the money gained from subscriptions is theirs and they can do anything they want with it. If I play WoW, should I be angry that money has gone in the development of Diablo 3? Or before that, Starcraft 2? Why would I? Why should CCP be any different? I can see why some people want CCP to focus only on Eve, but that's being unrealistic, every company needs to Grow, working only on Eve would be putting all your eggs in one basket. But in the end that dosen't mean they don't work at all on eve, they still do! Maybe the expansions are not as good as you'd want them to be, that's possible and the quality of Eve may suffer because of it. That's life. In no way does CCP have any obligation to provide specific content of specific quality to you, I wonder where anyone would get that idea. If the product loses your interest, you are welcomed to stop paying for it. It's CCP's job to keep the game interesting in order to retain the customer base, not because they owe them anything, because they generate income when satisfied and kept subscribed for longer periods of time. And to all those people who think CCP is using Eve as only a cash cow, you are correct! Eve IS a cashcow, the best one they got, the ONLY one they got... Why would they throw it away?? You'd have to be stupid to think they would. WTF are you talking about? Where did I once state in all of 3 sentences that i expect CCP to cater to my every need? Or expect 100% of my sub fee to going for new content? Clearly 100% doesnt go to that. In fact im pretty sure most followed a 33, 33, 33% model of profit, upkeep, and new content generation out of a sub fee. Matter of fact in a another post I pointed out the absurdity of thinking ones money should only go towards one product line. So please point out to me where I express moral outrage at a company using money from one product to develop another?
Jonathan Malcom Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.07.12 00:05:00 - [76] Edited by: Jonathan Malcom on 12/07/2011 00:06:33 The lack of understanding displayed in this thread is astounding. I'll break it down for you Barney-style. No one is upset that CCP is using funds from their flagship product to diversify their offerings. The problem is the proportion of funds being diverted, as evidenced by the last three expansions. (i.e. most) Their flagship product is languishing from a distinct lack of resource allocation. Long-standing bugs, terrible interfaces, imbalanced ships et al are left at the bottom of the priority list while CCP develops features that, while hugely promising, are delivered in such a state that they add next to nothing to the experience. In addition, they're charging us again to access some of this content. Content that our subscriptions paid to develop. Content that was prioritized as more integral to the success of the game than other content. It's blatant financial mismanagement and resource misappropriation. ___________________
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.07.12 00:18:00 - [77] Hilmar took a crap all over us the player base. Now hes waiting to see what do not not what we say. Wherever you went - Here you are.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.12 00:38:00 - [78] You are not paying for expansions. You are not paying for the development of anything. You are paying to play. Period. You pay $14.95 to play ONE month of available content. If CCP decides to blow that money on drugs and hookers that is now THEIR choice to make (unless you own shares). If they want to use that money to develop 10 other games, guess what? IT IS THEIR MONEY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT. CCP is not a bank. They are not taking your money to invest it for you. Do you feel entitled to decide what McDonalds does with "your" $4 when you buy a Big Mac? Sure, you can get **ed if you don't like what CCP is spending its money on. But please** understand already that you are NOT entitled to decide where that money is spent because once you give it to CCP it is no longer YOURS in any way, form, or shape. When you pay you've already received what you paid for: A one-month subscription. That's it. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.12 01:22:00 - [79] Originally by: Khamelean Originally by: DECEPTIBROW Agree with OP. The last 3 expansions have added nothing to the game for me. It's obvious that CCP are only interested in console shooters, second life rip offs, spacebooks, and mindless clickfests. So your argument is based on the fact that CCP have released no content that interests you in Eve therefore they have spent no money working on eve? To follow your logic. Since they have released no content at all for Dust for WoD, they clearly have not been working on them either. I can't say what his argument is based on but my argument is based on ccp telling us they are not working on eve gameplay. They explicitly said what percent of devs was going to incarnatransactions and fis. True they didn't tell us how many are devoted to dust or wod but even looking at the devs that are supposed to be working on eve its clear they abandoned eve gameplay in favor of incarnatransactions.
TrimethylChromiumdioxide	Posted - 2011.07.12 02:02:00 - [80] Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose I bought a Zanussi washing machine, and now look, they came and uploaded new software in it so now it doesn't work! And other customers tell me that even when they do get theirs to work, they have to chant 'show me the money' 17 times before the voice recognition kicks in and turns it on. That is NOT an optional step, you have to do it every single time! And it has a decreased washing capacity! And they're using the money I spent on this lemon to develop cookers and fridges :( Schlongjockies the lot of them :( Whatever next? Well as long as they don't make motorbikes like my favourite lawnmower manufacturer Honda I'm ok with funding their non-washing machine excesses. Fixed.

Jonathan Malcom Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.07.12 02:14:00 - [81] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 You are not paying for expansions. You are not paying for the development of anything. You are paying to play. Period. You pay $14.95 to play ONE month of available content. If CCP decides to blow that money on drugs and hookers that is now THEIR choice to make (unless you own shares). If they want to use that money to develop 10 other games, guess what? IT IS THEIR MONEY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT. CCP is not a bank. They are not taking your money to invest it for you. Do you feel entitled to decide what McDonalds does with "your" $4 when you buy a Big Mac? Sure, you can get **ed if you don't like what CCP is spending its money on. But please understand already that you are NOT entitled to decide where that money is spent because once you give it to CCP it is no longer YOURS in any way, form, or shape. When you pay you've already received what you paid for: A one-month subscription. That's it. You're an idiot. I'm going to be lazy and copy-paste my response from another thread. Originally by:** Jonathan Malcom If CCP had historically charged for expansions, you would be correct. They don't. So you're not. The money I pay CCP is for access to the game. It also (as explicitly stated by CCP on several occasions) grants me access to the content of new expansions that they develop (using our subscription fees). So, yes, actually. I (or more accurately, we) pay for the development of these items. So, once again we (collectively) are required to pay money to access content that was developed with our subscription fees. We're being double-billed, regardless of how you slice it. This entire business is bad for the game. Not only because it limit access content to those not willing to pay extra, it also limits emergent gameplay by artificially magic-ing items into existence. You're also an idiot because you unironically compare a subscription-model service to a retail establishment. ___________________
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.12 02:29:00 - [82] Originally by: Jonathan Malcom Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 You are not paying for expansions. You are not paying for the development of anything. You are paying to play. Period. You pay $14.95 to play ONE month of available content. If CCP decides to blow that money on drugs and hookers that is now THEIR choice to make (unless you own shares). If they want to use that money to develop 10 other games, guess what? IT IS THEIR MONEY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT. CCP is not a bank. They are not taking your money to invest it for you. Do you feel entitled to decide what McDonalds does with "your" $4 when you buy a Big Mac? Sure, you can get **ed if you don't like what CCP is spending its money on. But please understand already that you are NOT entitled to decide where that money is spent because once you give it to CCP it is no longer YOURS in any way, form, or shape. When you pay you've already received what you paid for: A one-month subscription. That's it. You're an idiot. I'm going to be lazy and copy-paste my response from another thread. Originally by:** Jonathan Malcom If CCP had historically charged for expansions, you would be correct. They don't. So you're not. The money I pay CCP is for access to the game. It also (as explicitly stated by CCP on several occasions) grants me access to the content of new expansions that they develop (using our subscription fees). So, yes, actually. I (or more accurately, we) pay for the development of these items. So, once again we (collectively) are required to pay money to access content that was developed with our subscription fees. We're being double-billed, regardless of how you slice it. This entire business is bad for the game. Not only because it limit access content to those not willing to pay extra, it also limits emergent gameplay by artificially magic-ing items into existence. You're also an idiot because you unironically compare a subscription-model service to a retail establishment. To be honest, my comment is so far beyond your comprehension that it really wasn't intended for you, as there simply is no hope of you ever understanding it. You keep it up with your theories of being double-billed and what-not. This just isn't something to be argued with you. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Stella SGP The Kimotoro Initiative	Posted - 2011.07.12 02:46:00 - [83] Edited by: Stella SGP on 12/07/2011 02:50:09 BTW I've been using the same mobile company for the last 10 years. Now that they have 4G network, HOW DARE they charge me more money to use it! I PAID for its development with my subscription every month and now they are charging me even more to use it. OUTRAGEOUS!!! Also all that nonsense about nationwide coverage which I don't use! Why can't they use the money I PAID them to further improve services within my local area! Why waste MY money on things that I'm not going to use! Rabble Rabble Rabble...
Garreth Vlox Minmatar Obsidian Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.12 03:05:00 - [84] Originally by: Malcheus dudes, this is what healthy corporations do, stop worrying about it. if you buy a big mac at the McDonalds, do you demand that the profit goes in development of the big mac? no. EVE is exactly the same, you buy a burger each month, and they spend it however they want, if you don't agree, don't pay. you sir, are a ****ing idiot.
Important Person	Posted - 2011.07.12 03:21:00 - [85] Originally by: Ghoest Hilmar took a crap all over us the player base. Now hes waiting to see what do not not what we say. Try breathing through your nose occasionally.
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.12 03:22:00 - [86] It almost seems like some people here are encouraging CCP to mothball eve gameplay. I mean are most MMO companies so blunt that they are not going to work on and improve the gameplay for the players and only spend their time/money making new games and figuring out how to charge the playerbase more money in mt? Incarnatransactions, wod, and Dust seems to account for well over 90% of the ccp resources.
Digital Messiah Oregami Ultd	Posted - 2011.07.12 03:36:00 - [87] Hello again, I am the guy who was called a CCP alt for trying to tell you guys during the protests. You can't choose the flavor of ice cream they serve you. To all the complainers please be quiet and wait. Or go to another vendor. Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Misha M'Liena Amarr 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.07.12 03:48:00 - [88] Well i have some bad new for ccp and its new game world of darkness. http://reignofblood.net/ It's a vampire world.Looks ok if i was into vamp's and not oh i dunno eve Misha still trying to get this vidcard to work.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.12 04:00:00 - [89] Originally by: Jonathan Malcom Edited by: Jonathan Malcom on 12/07/2011 00:06:33 The lack of understanding displayed in this thread is astounding. I'll break it down for you Barney-style. No one is upset that CCP is using funds from their flagship product to diversify their offerings. The problem is the proportion of funds being diverted, as evidenced by the last three expansions. (i.e. most) Their flagship product is languishing from a distinct lack of resource allocation. Long-standing bugs, terrible interfaces, imbalanced ships et al are left at the bottom of the priority list while CCP develops features that, while hugely promising, are delivered in such a state that they add next to nothing to the experience. In addition, they're charging us again to access some of this content. Content that our subscriptions paid to develop. Content that was prioritized as more integral to the success of the game than other content. It's blatant financial mismanagement and resource misappropriation. I think you meant to say: "I'm not upset that CCP is using funds from their flagship product to diversify their offerings" Because clearly some people are upset that this is happening. Eve is still being developed, the majority of CCP's resources are still devoted to Eve. They may not be currently devoted to the part of the game that you enjoy, but you need to realise that this is a big game. Lots of players enjoy doing lots of different things. They are one company with limited resources, CCP has been taking crap for ages because they announced incarna and hadn't delivered it yet, so they diverted more resources to getting it done and making the best it can be. Now they are taking crap because they are trying to finish it. If CCP had decided to scrap incarna and just work on spaceships, there would be just as many if not more complaints. Just because they are not currently working on your little corner of the universe, does't mean they are not working on eve, nor does it mean they won't work on your little corner next.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.07.12 04:14:00 - [90] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 You are not paying for expansions. You are not paying for the development of anything. You are paying to play. Period. You pay $14.95 to play ONE month of available content. If CCP decides to blow that money on drugs and hookers that is now THEIR choice to make (unless you own shares). If they want to use that money to develop 10 other games, guess what? IT IS THEIR MONEY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT. CCP is not a bank. They are not taking your money to invest it for you. Do you feel entitled to decide what McDonalds does with "your" $4 when you buy a Big Mac? Sure, you can get **ed if you don't like what CCP is spending its money on. But please understand already that you are NOT entitled to decide where that money is spent because once you give it to CCP it is no longer YOURS in any way, form, or shape. When you pay you've already received what you paid for: A one-month subscription. That's it. To put it politely - youre not smart. Anyway Im not paying anything until they start adding content to EVE again. Wherever you went - Here you are.**

Khamelean	Posted - 2011.07.12 04:39:00 - [91] Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 You are not paying for expansions. You are not paying for the development of anything. You are paying to play. Period. You pay $14.95 to play ONE month of available content. If CCP decides to blow that money on drugs and hookers that is now THEIR choice to make (unless you own shares). If they want to use that money to develop 10 other games, guess what? IT IS THEIR MONEY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT. CCP is not a bank. They are not taking your money to invest it for you. Do you feel entitled to decide what McDonalds does with "your" $4 when you buy a Big Mac? Sure, you can get **ed if you don't like what CCP is spending its money on. But please** understand already that you are NOT entitled to decide where that money is spent because once you give it to CCP it is no longer YOURS in any way, form, or shape. When you pay you've already received what you paid for: A one-month subscription. That's it. To put it politely - youre not smart. Anyway Im not paying anything until they start adding content to EVE again. You missed an apostrophe. It's ok, literacy is hard.
DECEPTIBROW	Posted - 2011.07.12 08:45:00 - [92] Originally by: Trainwreck McGee PI - for Dust Incursions - probably took very little effort to implement this in comparison to all other new features CQ - initial test for WOD It obvious where CCP's focus is
T0rekO	Posted - 2011.07.12 11:45:00 - [93] I find it funny people protect ccp and agree that its totaly fine the expansions are crap. Basicaly you pay ur monthly fee ( not for expansions but so u can play it? ) if so then ur a total moron. Not a single mmorpg I played and paid monthly have ever had so many bugs as this one and expanions were triple better.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.12 12:02:00 - [94] Originally by: T0rekO I find it funny people protect ccp and agree that its totaly fine the expansions are crap. Basicaly you pay ur monthly fee ( not for expansions but so u can play it? ) if so then ur a total moron. Not a single mmorpg I played and paid monthly have ever had so many bugs as this one and expanions were triple better. Well, you're a total moron for continuing to pay for a game you consider to be so buggy and crap. But let me guess, you cancelled your 15 accounts years ago and are just waiting for the subscription to run out . Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.07.12 13:13:00 - [95] real level of forum whiners is here.... Where have i found that tale "Eve community is more amateur than in other games"????
Cassiopeia Andromedae	Posted - 2011.07.12 13:15:00 - [96] Originally by: G 0 D When do you think that CCP will focus on EVE again, instead of their new games? The last 3 expansion have been a joke and only added fluff. NO S H I T SHERLOCK!!!! A COMPANY IS INVESTING INCOME TO PRODUCTION!! HOW THIS CAN BE! O M F G!!! END OF THE WORLD!!!!!
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.12 13:27:00 - [97] Originally by: Miss Rabblt real level of forum whiners is here.... Where have i found that tale "Eve community is more amateur than in other games"???? We even have a few whiners about the whiners. Regardless of what you call us, there is no denying allot of players are fed up with ccp ignoring eve gameplay for incarnatransactions, wod, and dust. There can be little doubt that this is having an effect on those who are remaining unsubbed. Its up to ccp if they want to do anything about it. I tend to think they will just let the "bitter vets" leave and try to keep getting new players in the revolving door for a year or 2 instead of trying to make the game something that can be enjoyable for several years.
BoBoZoBo The Wyld Hunt Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.07.12 13:39:00 - [98] 1) Paying them is your choice 2) What they do with the money is their choice. If you don't like where #2 is going, revise #1 ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.07.12 13:48:00 - [99] Originally by: BoBoZoBo 1) Paying them is your choice 2) What they do with the money is their choice. If you don't like where #2 is going, revise #1 1) Posting our disappointment that eve gameplay development was abandoned is our choice 2) Reading the forums is your choice If you don't like reading #1 revise #2.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.07.12 13:49:00 - [100] Originally by: Khamelean You missed an apostrophe. It's ok, literacy is hard. I have 1000s of pots on the forum and I have never used an apostrophe for a contraction. Why would I start now just for you noob. Its an useless convention. Wherever you went - Here you are.

General BS	Posted - 2011.07.12 14:17:00 - [101] So the question for me being a paid subscriber, is should I be paying a subscription for characters which are slowly developing skills etc in the hope that I'd get some time to play them in Eve in the future, when real life slows down a bit, or should I give up because CCP are no longer focused on keeping the game alive with their development funding? I'm sure that many people are still paying subscriptions for a game that had been getting better and better and may be surprised that development efforts are diverted. But if the funding is not there to keep that momentum, maybe its time to pull out subscriptions. You see, to maintain a subscription, I have to believe that the game will be there in future. I'm starting to have doubts.
edith prickley	Posted - 2011.07.12 14:27:00 - [102] Originally by: Khamelean Your not paying for the development of WoD, Dust or Eve. Your paying a subscription for the game as it exists now. CCP is delivering your service for the game as it exists now. Anything on top of that is bonus. If your unhappy with the game as it is then stop paying. Missed three apostrophes. Literacy is indeed hard.
DECEPTIBROW	Posted - 2011.07.12 17:55:00 - [103] Edited by: DECEPTIBROW on 12/07/2011 17:55:37 Originally by: Jonathan Malcom Edited by: Jonathan Malcom on 12/07/2011 00:06:33 No one is upset that CCP is using funds from their flagship product to diversify their offerings. The problem is the proportion of funds being diverted, as evidenced by the last three expansions. (i.e. most) Their flagship product is languishing from a distinct lack of resource allocation. Long-standing bugs, terrible interfaces, imbalanced ships et al are left at the bottom of the priority list while CCP develops features that, while hugely promising, are delivered in such a state that they add next to nothing to the experience. In addition, they're charging us again to access some of this content. Content that our subscriptions paid to develop. Content that was prioritized as more integral to the success of the game than other content. It's blatant financial mismanagement and resource misappropriation. This
edith prickley	Posted - 2011.07.12 18:29:00 - [104] Originally by: Khamelean You missed an apostrophe. It's ok, literacy is hard. Originally by: Khamelean Your not paying for the development of WoD, Dust or Eve. Your paying a subscription for the game as it exists now. CCP is delivering your service for the game as it exists now. Anything on top of that is bonus. If your unhappy with the game as it is then stop paying. Well, that's three missed apostrophes in three lines. Literacy is indeed hard.
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2011.07.12 18:30:00 - [105] So, in general, EVE is going to hell? So why u peeps keep p(l)aying? Anyways, for anyone thats going to ragequit in the next few months, can i have ur stuffz? so i can buy plex and keep on playing for free! Also, personally i wouldn't mind seeing the playerbase reduced by 90%! Just a shame EVE would prolly be cancelled if that happened ________________________________________________
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.12 18:34:00 - [106] It doesn't bother me that ccp is using their money to develop whatever they like. My subscription money probably also goes to feed dev families as well. Why should I be angry about that? Some things that need work in EVE that are neglected bother me. It seems EVE direction comes in waves: we get an expansion with somethings in it - people complain there are problems that haven't been fixed in years - ccp announce they have a team that will laser focus on bugs and problems that have plagued EVE - they get pulled away from that task quietly and the bugs and problems persist. Honestly, I would give up the next expansion if the phantom cargo bug could finally get squashed.
DECEPTIBROW	Posted - 2011.07.12 18:41:00 - [107] Originally by: Barbara Nichole It seems EVE direction comes in waves: we get an expansion with somethings in it - people complain there are problems that haven't been fixed in years The last expansion with "something in it" was in 2006 as far as I'm concerned.
Karthwritte	Posted - 2011.07.12 18:49:00 - [108] Originally by: DECEPTIBROW Originally by: Barbara Nichole It seems EVE direction comes in waves: we get an expansion with somethings in it - people complain there are problems that haven't been fixed in years The last expansion with "something in it" was in 2006 as far as I'm concerned. So I have been paying for nothing since 2008???!!! ------------------------------------------------- Bio: [b]Karthwritte was Casual EVE Player. Now its a phoney who talks about the plot of the game industry to take our whole money ins
DECEPTIBROW	Posted - 2011.07.12 18:55:00 - [109] Originally by: Karthwritte Originally by: DECEPTIBROW Originally by: Barbara Nichole It seems EVE direction comes in waves: we get an expansion with somethings in it - people complain there are problems that haven't been fixed in years The last expansion with "something in it" was in 2006 as far as I'm concerned. So I have been paying for nothing since 2008???!!! You've been paying to play a MMO, it's just one that doesn't get any significant improvements.
YuIia	Posted - 2011.07.13 16:04:00 - [110] Been having trouble justifying paying for a game that has been abandoned by it's developers. IMO if CCP kept working on eve it could be the greatest game ever. The problem is they don't seem to be so I cancelled my 2 subs today. Mortal Online seems to be a decent sandbox mmo with combat like oblivion or mount and blade been playing that.

4 2 0	Posted - 2011.07.14 15:38:00 - [111] Agree with OP. Last few expansions have added nothing of value.
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.23 06:29:00 - [112] Originally by: General BS You see, to maintain a subscription, I have to believe that the game will be there in future. I'm starting to have doubts.
Flag Bravo Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.23 06:37:00 - [113] Because of Age of Conan I would never touch Secret world. I can't imagine ever wanting to go anywhere near anything with the CCP brand name again.
G 0 D	Posted - 2011.07.23 19:48:00 - [114] Originally by: Flag Bravo I can't imagine ever wanting to go anywhere near anything with the CCP brand name again. +1


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