Real problem is if CCP starts to listen to L4 farmers who have been spoiled with overpowered ships and weapons for too long.

You are comparing a cruiser and a pirate faction battleship? Ok.

All large weapons need help killing frigates. With the difference that most large weapons always miss orbiting frigates. All battleships rely on drones to clear frigates, this really should be no news to anyone familiar with this game.

I understand it's hard for you to imagine a situation where you need to consider things like distance and order of targets and pay attention to things instead of snoozing thru the game, but this is already reality to many players.
Don't send light drones out to 50km and you'll be fine :)

Caldari lineup already doesn't have much to offer, Drake and Tengu were almost only ships used.
Remove them, and what is left if the nerf is too strong? They dont become balanced, they become useless.

Its about a panic nerf. There are other ships in caldari lineup, that use HMLs and all of them are gonna be hit with this nerf, its not a drake/tengu nerf, its a lot more than that.
And i didn't read that CCP is going to rework and rebalance every single caldari ship that uses missiles at the same time the nerf goes live. Caldari lineup already doesn't have much to offer, Drake and Tengu were almost only ships used.
Remove them, and what is left if the nerf is too strong? They dont become balanced, they become useless.

I'm in the process of training for the Tengu.
I'm pleased with the extra challenge to be honest.
If it doesn'r pan out, I still have near max skills in Winmatar ships and Projectiles w/ supports.
A Loki would just take me a couple weeks to train the subs to 5.

Loki will become FOTM after Tengu nerf. I already encounter more Lokis on roams than I do Tengus.

Expect Loki to be nerfed next (hopefully CCP doesn't get the bright idea to nerf projectiles like it has done with HML's)

CCP loves to cut off an arm to cure an infected finger.

Is it fair that AC cane does 600dps while HAM drake does only around 450dps.. Why not nerf AC dmg by 20%. Also medium lasors should be nerfed as legion dominates NCO's too much.

And btw HAM drake can only fit 2 bcu because it will run out of cpu. Not to mention if you fit 1 TE its going to be only 1 bcu which lowers dps even more. While cane can easily fit 4 gyros and use barrage.

STFU dude, dont give them ideas.
Good thing I skilled ACs to the max on both accounts, so HML nerf wont hit me so hard, but if they nerf ACs, I honestly will have nothing left.

My lovely Nighthawk is caught in the crossfire of this drake nonsense I train up a max skilled nighthawk and am having fun and bam, the CCP Nerfnaught fires at me. I can only hope that they adjust the field command ships in a timely manner and with an appropriate enough bonus considering the amount of skill points invested in these ships. Some information from the Devs would go a long way towards my mental health. I can fly Minny and Amarr ships, so its not like I am stuck, but I love the Nighthawk so much.

If HMLs are nerfed to come in line with other weapon systems of the same class, then remove Defenders from NPCs, or we'll fall even further behind than just -25% DPS. The amount of DPS I lose against 1,000,000ISK+ bounty rats is ridiculous, and the swarm of 3-6 Defender missiles I see swarming around them all the time just causes rage.

Failing that, change the +5% Kinetic damage to +5% Missile Damage in general, or missiles will become even more of a joke weapon system than they are now. Or make this change part of the buff you're going to give to HAMs and Torps, so we have an alternative, right?

OMG dreads have drones - nerf dreads.

Real problem is if CCP starts to listen to L4 farmers who have been spoiled with overpowered ships and weapons for too long.



You are comparing a cruiser and a pirate faction battleship? Ok.



All large weapons need help killing frigates. With the difference that most large weapons always miss orbiting frigates. All battleships rely on drones to clear frigates, this really should be no news to anyone familiar with this game.



I understand it's hard for you to imagine a situation where you need to consider things like distance and order of targets and pay attention to things instead of snoozing thru the game, but this is already reality to many players.

Don't send light drones out to 50km and you'll be fine :)

wow, did you really just call the removal of drones while adding more than 50% DPS to dreads a nerf??
if that is so, i wish CCP would 'nerf' all my ships.

atm i got me CNR built but thats a 2 bill isk ship that needs to be mission speicificaly tanked ...[..]

This obviously affects the drake and tengu equally for C2/C3s and III/IVs. Will you be moving to heavy assault missiles, a new ship, or changing your playstyle? I'm curious as to your responses.

Edit: Here's some interesting information to consider, comparing HMLs to other long-range cruiser weaponry.

The new mission Tengu will simple be the HAM Tengu, with a range of 70Km with 800 dps? Tengu is getting a Buff.

Well imo.

i didn't do the exact numbers but from what i did see, the ham tengu will not be able to deal with frigs any better than it currently does which means it will not be viable for LVL4, no matter the range/dps.

edit: please correct me if i'm wrong there. in fact, i would appreciate some math on post-patch HAMs vs. frigates.

Cruise missiles can't even kill an Elite cruiser

This may be a personal issue as I've had no real issues in cruise missile ships killing elite cruisers