Would you be ready to run anti-botware to get botless eve? Would it work? Would it fail? Would it be the end of RMT or kill the economy? How do you think the game would change? Is there any alternative solution? What could go wrong? What would be awesome?

Your turn - flood away :)

If you have nothing to hide and you are a legitimate player, why be against it?

In my country the government gave rights to the police to record and store all phonecalls, mail and text messages to make it easier to counter terrorism and crime.

Lots of people were against that too but again, if it makes my legitimate life in my country safer then I'm all for it.

WOW has a piece of software that runs in the background, starts and stops randomly while ur running the wow client, if it detects bot software GM's are notified.

guess what, i played wow for 6 months with 3 friends. together we saw 3 bots in total.

i approve of anti bot software. as long as it only runs while client is active and doesnt take the resources of incarna because i would hate for my PC to catch fire while on login screen

If you have nothing to hide and you are a legitimate player, why be against it?

Only the people who use such things as RMT and bots would be against this.

Only the people who use such things as RMT and bots would be against this.

The legit people would not mind any CCP software running to see out the bots.

I mean all that's needed to catch bots is a software to track time between keypresses? If char 1-2-3 etc has the same time frame of warping to station for example, its a bot and they get auto banned.

I do have things to hide from CCP, specifically my bank account details, my Tax File Number, pass phrases for various services I administer, various documents covered by secrecy agreements that CCP is not party to. I have secrets and having those secrets does not make me an evil person. While I might trust CCP to do the right thing by me, there is no guarantee that CCP won't get bought out by someone I don't trust (such as SOE), and there is no guarantee that their supervisor program won't get hacked.

Taking the 5th or feigning ignorance should never be allowed as defence since we all signed on the dotted line and thus agreed to report any EULA violations we come across.

In addition, there is no way for CCP to trust any software running on my computer. I could write my own software which pretends to be their supervisor program and simply feeds back to CCP whatever information they expect their supervisor program to send back if I was a "legitimate" player.

Just installing CCP spyware is not solution since it can't detect LEGO robot pressing buttons on your computer.

What is needed, is for EVE to require webcam so that CCP spyware can continually check that there is player (not robot, not your cat) present when client detects button-presses or mouse movement. As a bonus CCP can add facial detection to also detect account sharing.

Just installing CCP spyware is not solution since it can't detect LEGO robot pressing buttons on your computer.

What is needed, is for EVE to require webcam so that CCP spyware can continually check that there is player (not robot, not your cat) present when client detects button-presses or mouse movement. As a bonus CCP can add facial detection to also detect account sharing.

actually a captcha cleverly implemented at ANY docking phase of the game would be a great way to kill botting

click on doc stupid lil block comes up confirming docking coordinates human has to type in the correct answer to the captcha puzzle.

and that would take me out of the game permanently - I have severe problems deciphering a lot of captchas on forums these days - let alone the inconvenicence of it all

Just a thought in regards to the Botting/Macroing/RMT-ing people caught in Sreegs' devious net of devious catching.

I thought it would be a great idea if there might be a special place in New Eden for those toons/accounts caught exploiting or botting/macroing/RMT-ing by the Devs.


There's an oft quoted and cliched saying along the lines of "There's a special place in Hell for..."



1. It of course relies on CCP's willingness to seriously address the problem (insert EVE meme at your leisure).
I am not necessarily saying that they do not - there just doesn't appear to be much in the way of meaningful "Perp-Walk"

2. Once the offending toon/character/account is detected the following actions happen:

a. Their accounts are immediately frozen and disabled
b. Their EVE-worldy possessions (from all toons on the account) are ejected in a special super large "Jet Can" in a random system in space (w- or k-). These containers would be scannable/probable using Deep Space probes and would offer a real neat surprise to the player(s) that located them.
c. The ship hulls in their possession (from all toons on the account) are transported to a remote beacon in the system they were located in.
d. This beacon would be called something along the lines of "Sreegs' revenge" or some other Lore - Appropriate name
e. These transported hulls would be derelict wrecks and un-salvageable. They would retain the names of the Toon caught and expelled for violating the TOS in the manner described above (botting, etc)

This would, effectively, be an EVE ship graveyard populated by some of the most despicable characters in New Eden.

We all are aware that rmt and bots are in Eve to stay. CCP is unwilling

Lolz. man, you're a card.

So I can run 3 Tengu accounts. I run each for 4 or 5 hours at a time. If a neut comes into system I safe up. I do this 7 days a week.
Am I a bot or a human?

I run 3 Hulks on 3 screens. I mine 5 hours a day and I do it 7 days straight. After 5 hours, I log my other 3 Hulks and mine the same. While all my Hulks are mining away I'm doing my work at my desk.
Am I a bot or human?

I run a Domi and I do L4's all day every day. After 5 hours, I log my other Domi char and do the same.
Am I a bot or human?

Don't bother answering. You can't tell can you? If you think patterns are a way to detect botting. Well. Cough......

Only way I have EVER seen bots identified beyond doubt is by interacting with them. Their response is the giveaway, not the botting patterns themselves.

Oh and RMT. As fast as a sting nailed an RMT'er, he's moved, shut down his accounts and started somewhere else. And apart from a breach of EULA, what law has he broken? You cannot enlist the help of the RMT ISP's/law enforcment or any such agency. So how do you stop them?

To declare that CCP could "easily" stop RMT/Botting is about.... well..... as dumb as it can get. Sorry man.