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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
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Posted - 2011.08.17 19:49:00 -
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The only time i leave highsec is to go to Gayar as it has the best nightlife in the galaxy. My avatar demands it.
In highsec you can make isk with ease and engage in empire wars. Empire wars allow solo and small group pvp without blob fests or Nyx online.
If it is the end game then there should be a natural progression to the game to get there which there isn't as this is a sandbox.
Some people prefer different races, some people prefer different security ratings. if you force people into nullsec they might stop subbing.
lastly, nullsec is not really for casual play. From what ive seen its for the more intense gamer. Those that have far more time and want to develop a strong social network with similar people.
All views are welcome.
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Alina Wize
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.08.17 19:50:00 -
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High sec isn't being removed so I'm not seeing your point that you're being forced into nullsec. Just stay in highsec.
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
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Posted - 2011.08.17 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Alina Wize High sec isn't being removed so I'm not seeing your point that you're being forced into nullsec. Just stay in highsec.
Thanks Aline i feel much better now.
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.17 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Alina Wize High sec isn't being removed so I'm not seeing your point that you're being forced into nullsec. Just stay in highsec.
Wrong. They're moving all mission agents in the game to CCP-US. It's true! Mittens told me!
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Ryhss
Caldari The Excecutorans
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Posted - 2011.08.17 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ryhss on 17/08/2011 19:57:07
Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg The only time i leave highsec is to go to Gayar as it has the best nightlife in the galaxy. My avatar demands it.
In highsec you can make isk with ease and engage in empire wars. Empire wars allow solo and small group pvp without blob fests or Nyx online.
If it is the end game then there should be a natural progression to the game to get there which there isn't as this is a sandbox.
Some people prefer different races, some people prefer different security ratings. if you force people into nullsec they might stop subbing.
lastly, nullsec is not really for casual play. From what ive seen its for the more intense gamer. Those that have far more time and want to develop a strong social network with similar people.
All views are welcome.
I fully agree. Hi secs not being removed, but nerfed to hell so you can make no money.
Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz null sec sucks dongs.
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Karadion
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Posted - 2011.08.17 19:57:00 -
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That's your avatar? Did you keep hitting random until you found something that didn't look like your personality?
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Alina Wize
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.08.17 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Alina Wize High sec isn't being removed so I'm not seeing your point that you're being forced into nullsec. Just stay in highsec.
Wrong. They're moving all mission agents in the game to CCP-US. It's true! Mittens told me!

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Phelan Votronski
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:09:00 -
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Ashley?
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Karadion That's your avatar? Did you keep hitting random until you found something that didn't look like your personality?
No i made this character as its the kind of guy that your father would like
Question is there any time line on when the level 4 missions are disappearing from highsec
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Originally by: Karadion That's your avatar? Did you keep hitting random until you found something that didn't look like your personality?
No i made this character as its the kind of guy that your father would like
Question is there any time line on when the level 4 missions are disappearing from highsec
In the pve thread in Features ans Ideas there is this:
Originally by: CCP Greyscale ..snip...
(And to everyone else, we already made sure that the best agents weren't in hisec when we introduced level 5s. This is not a "level 3 only in hisec" thing, don't worry. We're fully aware that some people will never move, and we're OK with that.)
So my guess is L4's will not be leaving high sec.
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Dub Step
Minmatar Death To Everyone But Us
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: CCP Greyscale ..snip...
(And to everyone else, we already made sure that the best agents weren't in hisec when we introduced level 5s. This is not a "level 3 only in hisec" thing, don't worry. We're fully aware that some people will never move, and we're OK with that.)
So my guess is L4's will not be leaving high sec.
Excellent deduction Holmes.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dub Step
Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: CCP Greyscale ..snip...
(And to everyone else, we already made sure that the best agents weren't in hisec when we introduced level 5s. This is not a "level 3 only in hisec" thing, don't worry. We're fully aware that some people will never move, and we're OK with that.)
So my guess is L4's will not be leaving high sec.
Excellent deduction Holmes.
I enjoy watching hysterical reactions.
Stop raining on my parade.
===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |

Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Dub Step
Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: CCP Greyscale ..snip...
(And to everyone else, we already made sure that the best agents weren't in hisec when we introduced level 5s. This is not a "level 3 only in hisec" thing, don't worry. We're fully aware that some people will never move, and we're OK with that.)
So my guess is L4's will not be leaving high sec.
Excellent deduction Holmes.
I enjoy watching hysterical reactions.
Stop raining on my parade.
Nothing hysterical here. apart from asking the basic question and calling nullsec people internet shutins with no job and no friends (which no one noticed) i was just looking for a quick answer. :)
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Spurty
Caldari V0LTA VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:32:00 -
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You got trolled or are trolling the forum warriors?
Either way, hi-sec is unlikely to change in any drastic manner.
Null needs a rework that doesn't just make life easier for botters. If I was in charge ( you lucky sods, I'm not)
Take 4 bands,(hi,low,null,WH) allot then 5 trillion isk each hour in earnings, divide it up by the inhabitants who have to prize it out of anoms and plexes and missions.
Then when high sec people feel claustrophobic they may moan all day until they are blue in the face as they already know competition drives innovation and get inventive seeking other methods of isk making.
No real need to put a gun to their heads.
Starve from over population is how I'd implement this.
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Dub Step
Minmatar Death To Everyone But Us
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Dub Step on 17/08/2011 20:35:13
Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg ...calling nullsec people internet shutins with no job and no friends (which no one noticed)
This is an MMO, you can just assume that to be the norm thus making 'subtle references' alluding to this unnoticeable.
EDIT: In the process of rephrasing this post I appear to have lost the use of the English language.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:41:00 -
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Quote: Nothing hysterical here. apart from asking the basic question and calling nullsec people internet shutins with no job and no friends (which no one noticed) i was just looking for a quick answer.
What question are you seeking a "quick answer" to?
All I see are highly debatable assertions and assumptions that seem to center around the premise that people are going to be "forced out" of high sec somehow.
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dub Step Edited by: Dub Step on 17/08/2011 20:35:13
Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg ...calling nullsec people internet shutins with no job and no friends (which no one noticed)
This is an MMO, you can just assume that to be the norm thus making 'subtle references' alluding to this unnoticeable.
EDIT: In the process of rephrasing this post I appear to have lost the use of the English language.
lols thats funny 
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Judge Ment
BOOM BOOM POW
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Alina Wize High sec isn't being removed so I'm not seeing your point that you're being forced into nullsec. Just stay in highsec.
Wrong. They're moving all mission agents in the game to CCP-US. It's true! Mittens told me!
Hurray for Mittens
Good luck CCP on your cancellations (You still have your industrial backbone accounts)
BTW I doubt people will risk for reward. Like bringing in Noctis and Tangu to mission run in low sec. That would be utterly stupid on some as smart as empire folks. what might happen is you will see a Alliance growth and people want to do more plexing in 0.0. Military plex pay better in the long run. So Null Sec stay the same and EVE ONLINE looses another 10% paying accounts.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:55:00 -
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Its a good question. Why does ccp so badly want everyone to go to null sec? The problems you mention and others are raised time and again. CCP ignores those concerns and continues with their moves to force everyone to null sec.
Has ccp ever even acknowledged that null sec is a very high maintance and real life time consuming type of play that most people won't be interested in?
And as everyone should know, nerfs can be relative. Battleships were nerfed when rigs became cheaper for every other ship. So by boosting null sec ccp is thereby effectively nerfing all other areas of space.
-Cearain
Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1 |

Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain And as everyone should know, nerfs can be relative. Battleships were nerfed when rigs became cheaper for every other ship. So by boosting null sec ccp is thereby effectively nerfing all other areas of space.
And by buffing hisec over and over and over, nullsec has gotten the shaft for years now. What's your ****ing point?
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
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Posted - 2011.08.17 21:03:00 -
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Judge Ment & Cearain those were really good points.
most people i know who mission in highsec use pimped out boats that they would not dream of using in nullsec. As well as a lot of people on dual accounts who use highsec to fund there nullsec pvp actions. Highsec exists as it allows a more casual form of play that is absent from nullsec.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.17 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
lastly, nullsec is not really for casual play.
You clearly have no experience in this game.
I am a very casual player. I primarily only log in during the weekends, and often take 4-5 month breaks from this terrible game.
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.17 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg Judge Ment & Cearain those were really good points.
most people i know who mission in highsec use pimped out boats that they would not dream of using in nullsec. As well as a lot of people on dual accounts who use highsec to fund there nullsec pvp actions. Highsec exists as it allows a more casual form of play that is absent from nullsec.
sigh. Now see, if you'd just said in the OP that "casual" = "easy, no effort", then I would have stayed out of this thread.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.17 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Cearain And as everyone should know, nerfs can be relative. Battleships were nerfed when rigs became cheaper for every other ship. So by boosting null sec ccp is thereby effectively nerfing all other areas of space.
And by buffing hisec over and over and over, nullsec has gotten the shaft for years now. What's your ****ing point?
I've been here since 08/09 and the only thing that got buffed about hisec was the addition of incursions. Everything else has been nerfed.
Umad. Don't even have to ask at this point. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
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Posted - 2011.08.17 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg Judge Ment & Cearain those were really good points.
most people i know who mission in highsec use pimped out boats that they would not dream of using in nullsec. As well as a lot of people on dual accounts who use highsec to fund there nullsec pvp actions. Highsec exists as it allows a more casual form of play that is absent from nullsec.
sigh. Now see, if you'd just said in the OP that "casual" = "easy, no effort", then I would have stayed out of this thread.
no its means that we can turn the computer of if our wives/girlfriends are around. that we dont have to set our alarms for 4am as we have jobs to go to. that the weekend can be spent socialising instead of being on mandatory ops.
Highsec for the win
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.08.17 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Cearain And as everyone should know, nerfs can be relative. Battleships were nerfed when rigs became cheaper for every other ship. So by boosting null sec ccp is thereby effectively nerfing all other areas of space.
And by buffing hisec over and over and over, nullsec has gotten the shaft for years now. What's your ****ing point?
If what you say is true and high sec received buffs then low sec, wormholes and null sec got the shaft.
My point is that by buffing null sec you are nerfing the other 3 areas of space. So even if not much changes in high sec, low sec, and wormholes, the value of taking part in those activities will decrease. -Cearain
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.08.17 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg Judge Ment & Cearain those were really good points.
most people i know who mission in highsec use pimped out boats that they would not dream of using in nullsec. As well as a lot of people on dual accounts who use highsec to fund there nullsec pvp actions. Highsec exists as it allows a more casual form of play that is absent from nullsec.
sigh. Now see, if you'd just said in the OP that "casual" = "easy, no effort", then I would have stayed out of this thread.
Casual does not equal easy or no effort. It does mean lower maintance and consuming less real life time. -Cearain
Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1 |

Ranger 1
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.08.17 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg Judge Ment & Cearain those were really good points.
most people i know who mission in highsec use pimped out boats that they would not dream of using in nullsec. As well as a lot of people on dual accounts who use highsec to fund there nullsec pvp actions. Highsec exists as it allows a more casual form of play that is absent from nullsec.
sigh. Now see, if you'd just said in the OP that "casual" = "easy, no effort", then I would have stayed out of this thread.
no its means that we can turn the computer of if our wives/girlfriends are around. that we dont have to set our alarms for 4am as we have jobs to go to. that the weekend can be spent socialising instead of being on mandatory ops.
Highsec for the win
Amazingly, in the 8 or so years that I have lived in one section of 0.0 or another, in one alliance or another, I have:
never been "forced to stay online" when my wife needed my attention. never been forced to to an alarm clock op. never been forced to take part in a mandatory op.
Nor am I alone in this. You have a very peculiar view of what 0.0 live is like for the average Joe (or for the movers and shakers for that matter).
Somehow I have found time for a full time job that DOES require occasional overtime overseeing my work crews, raised two kids and in the process of raising a 3rd, and had as respectable a social life as any married man can normally be expected to have. 
It's really not that hard, or as big an imposition as you seem to think it is.
Again I ask, what question in your OP are you seeking an answer to exactly?
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
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Posted - 2011.08.17 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg on 17/08/2011 21:51:32
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
lastly, nullsec is not really for casual play.
You clearly have no experience in this game.
I am a very casual player. I primarily only log in during the weekends, and often take 4-5 month breaks from this terrible game.
99.99% of my game time is spent in 0.0
Internet warrior detected and he is not alone. see above post for confirmation.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.08.17 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 17/08/2011 21:53:47
Originally by: Ranger 1 Again I ask, what question in your OP are you seeking an answer to exactly?
The question is: Why does CCP keep trying to push null sec? -Cearain
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