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Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.24 09:08:00 -
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Anyone with a modicum of intelligence will understand that the FW changes introduced this year are the result of poor design, even worse implementation and an outcome that is just fubar. Why the lead designer wasn't sacked this is beyond comprehension. |

Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
443
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Posted - 2012.09.24 09:08:00 -
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FW itself really shouldn't be an isk faucet at all. The act of running the sites and taking control of the system shouldn't be rewarded, because all that rewards is rapidly flipping systems. What should be rewarded is holding systems, with the rewards increasing the more systems you hold. This encourages players to want to hold onto their space. Currently, the space itself means nothing, its just the place where you go for FW. Its not worth fighting over, so all the fighting is just for the sake of fighting. |

Generals4
1510
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Posted - 2012.09.24 09:58:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:FW itself really shouldn't be an isk faucet at all. The act of running the sites and taking control of the system shouldn't be rewarded, because all that rewards is rapidly flipping systems. What should be rewarded is holding systems, with the rewards increasing the more systems you hold. This encourages players to want to hold onto their space. Currently, the space itself means nothing, its just the place where you go for FW. Its not worth fighting over, so all the fighting is just for the sake of fighting.
Since when is FW an isk faucet? It's most likely one of the biggest isk sinks in game. FW produces 0 isks and costs isks when purchasing Faction items in the LP store.
It is however a huge income source and with too little risks attached to it. It will however, luckily, be "fixed" with the winter expansion. And let's not forget that if the players want to nerf FW they can: boycott factional items and FW'ers won't have any income source. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |

Zendon Taredi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.09.24 10:18:00 -
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WTF. CCP does not know math. That is pretty clear by now. |

snake pies
No Squad Best Squad
64
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Posted - 2012.09.24 10:32:00 -
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A lot of misinformation, but I will say this much, the price you pay for the best isk per hour ratio in game is the life expectancy of your wrist holding the mouse, and that's without even considering the cashout process. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
2
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Posted - 2012.09.24 11:10:00 -
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Amsterdam Conversations wrote: Are you one of those people who believe we didn't land on the moon and that there's a hidden german base at the south pole?
What do You mean, hidden? I thought that was common knowledge... o_O There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
595
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Posted - 2012.09.24 11:23:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:when I asked about null sec levels of income I was given an average figure of 30 mill per hour If anyone making only 30m/hr in null, then something is terribly wrong. I am hisec dweller mostly, but occasionaly i go ninja rat to null. 80m/hr is no problem in null. Of course you have to know which regions, what tactics, chances to intercept officers etc. Same rules are in hisec. If anyone is whining that hisec pilots earns too much and more than nullsec pilot, maybe its time to review their abilities and skills in earning isk. Problem is in pilots, not EvE mechanics.
I am inclined to agree with you, even though I have little experience of null sec ratting etc.
I suspect it is just the null sec folk crying poverty so that they can just whinge about how much hi-sec folk make running level 4 missions. You want fries with that? |

ECM Jesus
RAM Legion DOT
1
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Posted - 2012.09.24 11:33:00 -
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Hello friends. This is ECM Jesus. I am the eternal president of the premier FW farm corp known as RAM Legion DOT and soon to be leader of traitor corp RAM Legion DOT Reloaded DOT. I am sad that there are so many pvp roleplaying scrubs in FW when you can farm like me and get this and more every week.
Remember roleplayers you must dump your LP for T5. Someone must fall for me and my friends (me) in Ram legion to succeed. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4846
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Posted - 2012.09.24 11:40:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:If anyone making only 30m/hr in null, then something is terribly wrong. I am hisec dweller mostly, but occasionaly i go ninja rat to null. 80m/hr is no problem in null. Of course you have to know which regions, what tactics, chances to intercept officers etc. Same rules are in hisec. If anyone is whining that hisec pilots earns too much and more than nullsec pilot, maybe its time to review their abilities and skills in earning isk. Problem is in pilots, not EvE mechanics.
A blaster Naga can generate 90m-120m per hour in Guristas/Serpentis regions and a Vindicator can generate 120m-150m per hour, but those figures are basically with shield gank setups that die the moment anything sneezes at them (and yes, people shoot you in nullsec!) On the other hand, before the Escalation nerf to incursions, those income figures were achievable with T3/faction BS fleets and one guy I know had a Nightmare with a two slot tank and had no problem because they were ridiculously safe. Yet people want the Escalation changes reversed because it killed the incursion ~community~ or whatever. please leave |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Guards Black Core Alliance
103
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Posted - 2012.09.24 12:03:00 -
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And here I thought LP was a currency. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Karah Serrigan
The Hatchery Team Liquid
70
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Posted - 2012.09.24 12:35:00 -
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Andski wrote:TharOkha wrote:If anyone making only 30m/hr in null, then something is terribly wrong. I am hisec dweller mostly, but occasionaly i go ninja rat to null. 80m/hr is no problem in null. Of course you have to know which regions, what tactics, chances to intercept officers etc. Same rules are in hisec. If anyone is whining that hisec pilots earns too much and more than nullsec pilot, maybe its time to review their abilities and skills in earning isk. Problem is in pilots, not EvE mechanics. A blaster Naga can generate 90m-120m per hour in Guristas/Serpentis regions and a Vindicator can generate 120m-150m per hour, but those figures are basically with shield gank setups that die the moment anything sneezes at them (and yes, people shoot you in nullsec!) On the other hand, before the Escalation nerf to incursions, those income figures were achievable with T3/faction BS fleets and one guy I know had a Nightmare with a two slot tank and had no problem because they were ridiculously safe. Yet people want the Escalation changes reversed because it killed the incursion ~community~ or whatever. Implying there were no griefers blowing up faction fitted battleships by either abusing the aggression mechanics, awoxing, refusing to put their remote reps on ships, wardeccing or straight up suicide ganking. I agree with you that the nerf was rightful and the huge isk faucet somewhat hurt the game, but straight out saying highsec was oh so dandy and nullsec is so full of risks is bullshit. |

Selinate
1006
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Posted - 2012.09.24 12:46:00 -
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Andski wrote:Selinate wrote:You're bitching about CCP making missions interesting?
Jesus Christ, why do you people even play video games? I can't understand for the life of me targeting the same semi-worthless rats over and over just to farm isk. already answered that: Andski wrote:high-sec is full of entitled children who will throw tantrums and unsub, shoot statues and complain whenever CCP even entertains the thought of nerfing one of their hilariously easy-mode PvE isk faucets like incursions and L4s
they want to make nullsec levels of income while in highsec and demanding that CCP gives them a thick helmet, elbow and knee pads, training wheels and continues making the space safer and less risky, i.e. crimewatch
****, it's not like I read every single comment in a thread before I post. |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1425
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Posted - 2012.09.24 12:48:00 -
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108b isk per week isnt normal on faction warfare it is.
Faction Warfare, Not even once TK is recruiting |

Abannan
Moira. Villore Accords
32
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Posted - 2012.09.24 12:55:00 -
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Speaker for TheDead wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were? FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet. Your logic is flawed. Both give LP, but one is a sink, and one is a faucet? 
Incursions give an isk reward for completing sites, actual isk. This is a faucet Fw plexes do not give isk rewards, they just give LP, which to use in 75% of cases you need to spend isk also to get the rewards. This is an sink |

Jimmy Gunsmythe
Cognitive Disonance
155
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Posted - 2012.09.24 12:58:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were? FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet.
Weird. Cause when the ISK flowed better than it does now, things were cheaper. The ice/mining interdictions came and all of a sudden, things started going up. Musta been coincidence.  It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4846
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Posted - 2012.09.24 13:00:00 -
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Karah Serrigan wrote:Implying there were no griefers blowing up faction fitted battleships by either abusing the aggression mechanics, awoxing, refusing to put their remote reps on ships, wardeccing or straight up suicide ganking. I agree with you that the nerf was rightful and the huge isk faucet somewhat hurt the game, but straight out saying highsec was oh so dandy and nullsec is so full of risks is bullshit.
Wardecs are irrelevant since they're easily dodged, awoxing is easily avoided because everyone and their mother is in personal tax dodging corps and as for the rest, these things happen in nullsec on a much larger scale with ships much more expensive and harder to replace (see: supercapital fleets) please leave |

Selinate
1006
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Posted - 2012.09.24 13:03:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were? FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet. Weird. Cause when the ISK flowed better than it does now, things were cheaper. The ice/mining interdictions came and all of a sudden, things started going up. Musta been coincidence. 
There's a fundamental difference between the value of isk itself going down and the value of other items going up. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4846
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Posted - 2012.09.24 13:07:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Weird. Cause when the ISK flowed better than it does now, things were cheaper. The ice/mining interdictions came and all of a sudden, things started going up. Musta been coincidence. 
wow you mean that if you choke the supply of minerals and ice, prices might go up???? please leave |

Denidil
Evocations of Shadow Eternal Evocations
529
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Posted - 2012.09.24 13:17:00 -
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Andski you're not helping nullsec or high sec
shut the **** up Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4847
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Posted - 2012.09.24 13:22:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Andski you're not helping nullsec or high sec
shut the **** up
yes highsec needs its broken incursion income back please leave |

Halia Janu
Tash-Murkon Aerospace
0
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Posted - 2012.09.24 13:23:00 -
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Billions, if not trillions of isk gets removed from the overall economy every time a FW faction gets T5, long term this creates deflation, it is not a difficult concept. The ISK people are making merely comes from other players, not bounty ticks.
And frankly, the average income of a random afk char is 80mil an hour at best (and that assumes that no-one attacks you in lowsec, fairly rare). If someone really wants to run over 100 accounts (approximately how many would have been required for this payout) then good luck to them. I don't have the patience (or the PC) to run that many accounts at once.
However, I think people should possibly report this ECM Jesus (I believe it was his payment) for botting so CCP can investigate, I don't know about the rest of you, but I find something seems very unlikely about really running over 100 accounts by hand... |

March rabbit
R.I.P. Revenge
253
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Posted - 2012.09.24 15:11:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Where it once would have been a sink of 80M w/o Teir 5 Say I have 100 LP and 10,000 ISK. At T1, a widget costs 100LP and 10,000ISK. At T5, that widget costs 25LP and 2,500 ISK. At T1, I sink 100LP and 10,000 ISK and provide 1 Widget. At T5, I sink 100LP and 10,000 ISK and provide 4 Widgets. Same amount of ISK sunk, greater amount of stuff produced => Greater deflationary pressure. Unless the demand was elastic you are not going to be selling 4X widgets in the same amount of time. What you are seeing here is a 75% degradation of the ISK sink maybe a little less if demand goes up due to it selling for a cheaper price. well. problem is: level 5 needs to be reached and maintained by people. It costs people some amount of LPs. So you won't have T5 for long time.
Result: when you see T5 you almost 'have to' spend all available LPs to buy something. Elsewere you can find yourself needed to buy stuff at T1-T4 later.
So i guess there is no degradation of ISK sink here. |

Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
223
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Posted - 2012.09.24 15:39:00 -
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Sm4kahm Shalloola wrote:Andski wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec. So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game.
You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees. lol shut up this whole FW thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting till the next expansion to fix it, but that doesn't mean that your risk-free 120m/hour vanguard farming should come back A touch of pot and kettle. this whole Moon Goo thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting TWO expansions to attempt to fix it, BUT in the mean time the FW isk fountain will supplement my other alt characters/PLEX accounts before they do... fix't for you. lol you shut up.
This would work if it wasn't for the fact goonswarm said moon mins are ridiculous and should be nerfed from pretty much day 1......
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
361
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Posted - 2012.09.24 16:28:00 -
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Halia Janu wrote:Billions, if not trillions of isk gets removed from the overall economy every time a FW faction gets T5, long term this creates deflation, it is not a difficult concept.
75% of the ISK sink though is reduced at tier 5. I wish we could see the real numbers but with CCP Diagoras gone any stats you make up are derived purely out of your arse. I do think in the short term we may be seeing large amoubts ISK being deleted but since the implant market is not that elastic over the long term LESS ISK will be taken out due to unchanged demand of most faction LP store items & the 75% ISK reduction of the sink at Tier 5
Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr so ist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel-á |

Michael1995
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
33
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Posted - 2012.09.24 17:30:00 -
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We're just gonna need to pod more people. One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
881
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Posted - 2012.09.24 17:38:00 -
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This thread's discussion just gave me a headache...
I hope you're all happy.

Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |

Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
697
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Posted - 2012.09.24 17:41:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:with CCP Diagoras gone
You keep writing that but where did you get that information, or is it based on pure speculation?
https://twitter.com/CCP_Diagoras
Last post 2 weeks ago.
Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |

Donnerjack Wolfson
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.09.24 18:07:00 -
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It's a bit extreme, yes.
HOWEVER.
Some people have said "Why's this okay and hisec income isn't." The difference is that FW is actually an isk SINK. Not an isk faucet like say 120m/hr norisk vanguards or any other non-mining (and maybe explo) activity in highsec. The only time you earn ISK in FW is killing people (a net loss) and missions (which are no more than hisec missions and much riskier) |

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
170
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Posted - 2012.09.24 18:09:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: FW gives out LP and no ISK, requiring the economy to sink ISK into it to convert the LP.
FW currently ( come winter it no longer will) also reduces the ISK sink per item which overtime is reducing the ISK sink function. Too bad CCP Diagoras isno longer around to publish stats regarding the windfall known as FW. So? FW removes ISK from the economy. The Tier system doesn't alter the proportion of ISK to LP needed to extract LP, so all it does is change the amount of stuff that gets extracted for a given amount of ISK sunk. As it happens, because higher tiers increase the amount of *stuff* in the game by a larger amount for a given amount of ISK sunk, they're an even greater deflationary force than lower tiers. Remember, Inflation is a relative increase in the money supply, so when more stuff enters the economy without bringing new ISK into the economy (or in FWs case, while removing ISK), a deflationary pressure is exterted.
^^ THIS
Yes, working as intended. Lets move on.
Oh sorry, was that my CCP voice.... |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
361
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Posted - 2012.09.24 20:21:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:with CCP Diagoras gone You keep writing that but where did you get that information, or is it based on pure speculation? https://twitter.com/CCP_DiagorasLast post 2 weeks ago.
And the previous post was 26 June. Thats an entire summer &counting so far that CCP has been tighter fisted with stats then Romney with his past 10 years of tax returns! Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr so ist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel-á |
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