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Kern Hotha 21	Posted - 2012.09.23 21:55:00 - [1] - Quote Browsing reddit and I saw this post from an Eve player: Just a normal fw payout And this was the screenshot: 184,250,000,000 isk So, assuming that the claim is factual (multiple Minmatar characters semi-afk) - should a low-risk activity in a frigate be rewarded with 184 billion isk per week? Middle age is when your broad mind and narrow waist begin to change places. -E. Joseph Cossman
lanyaie 528	Posted - 2012.09.23 21:59:00 - [2] - Quote Yes Hay
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 275	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:01:00 - [3] - Quote Kern Hotha wrote: Browsing reddit and I saw this post from an Eve player: Just a normal fw payout And this was the screenshot: 184,250,000,000 isk So, assuming that the claim is factual (multiple Minmatar characters semi-afk) - should a low-risk activity in a frigate be rewarded with 184 billion isk per week? According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec. So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game. You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees.
Rengerel en Distel Amarr Science and Industry 409	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:05:00 - [4] - Quote Wasn't that the screenshot from the goons before it all got taken away?
James 315 Experimental Fun Times Corp 2790	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:07:00 - [5] - Quote AFK isk with no risk or skill? Why not? If it gets nerfed they'll unsubscribe. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½ The daily saga of the New Order's quest to conquer all highsec by bumping miners out of range.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4829	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:07:00 - [6] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec. So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game. You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees. lol shut up this whole FW thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting till the next expansion to fix it, but that doesn't mean that your risk-free 120m/hour vanguard farming should come back please leave
MystLynx Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:18:00 - [7] - Quote According that it can be done half afk with 0 risks, answer is NO.
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 359	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:19:00 - [8] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Kern Hotha wrote: Browsing reddit and I saw this post from an Eve player: Just a normal fw payout And this was the screenshot: 184,250,000,000 isk So, assuming that the claim is factual (multiple Minmatar characters semi-afk) - should a low-risk activity in a frigate be rewarded with 184 billion isk per week? According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec. So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game. You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees. And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions where? Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr so ist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel-á
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 279	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:27:00 - [9] - Quote Andski wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec. So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game. You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees. lol shut up this whole FW thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting till the next expansion to fix it, but that doesn't mean that your risk-free 120m/hour vanguard farming should come back It appears that CCP is too busy collaborating with you null sec zealots again to fix FW. I just read about the new high sec AI that will attack drones, and then the NUMEROUS posts by the dev Fox Four gloating about it. I have to hand it to you guys. You have a well honed machine there: an enormous propaganda team inundating the forums ceaselessly with lies to further your agenda, a CSM dominated by null sec, and then some unknown quantity of very sympathetic dev's.
Sm4kahm Shalloola Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:27:00 - [10] - Quote Andski wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec. So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game. You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees. lol shut up this whole FW thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting till the next expansion to fix it, but that doesn't mean that your risk-free 120m/hour vanguard farming should come back A touch of pot and kettle. this whole Moon Goo thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting TWO expansions to attempt to fix it, BUT in the mean time the FW isk fountain will supplement my other alt characters/PLEX accounts before they do... fix't for you. lol you shut up.
Elzon1 Shadow Boys Corp Legion of xXDEATHXx 86	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:31:00 - [11] - Quote Well, I saw somewhere that the rewards were going to be changed to simply giving people more loyalty points instead of allowing them to severely undercut everyone else in the market. Combine that with some other adjustments and the profitability of faction warfare should drop quite a bit. After the nerf people will once again be back on the Incursion bandwagon and people will start complaining about that again.
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 69	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:32:00 - [12] - Quote Sm4kahm Shalloola wrote: Andski wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec. So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game. You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees. lol shut up this whole FW thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting till the next expansion to fix it, but that doesn't mean that your risk-free 120m/hour vanguard farming should come back A touch of pot and kettle. this whole Moon Goo thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting TWO expansions to attempt to fix it, BUT in the mean time the FW isk fountain will supplement my other alt characters/PLEX accounts before they do... fix't for you. lol you shut up. choice. just choice. +1
Amsterdam Conversations Cheesecake Starshine 117	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:33:00 - [13] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Andski wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec. So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game. You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees. lol shut up this whole FW thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting till the next expansion to fix it, but that doesn't mean that your risk-free 120m/hour vanguard farming should come back It appears that CCP is too busy collaborating with you null sec zealots again to fix FW. I just read about the new high sec AI that will attack drones, and then the NUMEROUS posts by the dev Fox Four gloating about it. I have to hand it to you guys. You have a well honed machine there: an enormous propaganda team inundating the forums ceaselessly with lies to further your agenda, a CSM dominated by null sec, and then some unknown quantity of very sympathetic dev's. Are you one of those people who believe we didn't land on the moon and that there's a hidden german base at the south pole?
Belshazzar Babylon Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:42:00 - [14] - Quote I just see this meaning cheap implants in the my future.
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 991	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:45:00 - [15] - Quote When I started I made 180M a week in high-sec running ammo in destroyers. I was keenly aware that I was a rookie and other people were doing it better than I was. I suspected possibly a million times better, since I did this with no real research and in relative safety. I estimated this knowing that capitals were big. So no, I don't think it's unreasonable for a smart player who's analyzed the situation and developed a sound plan to make 180b a week. In fact, i suspect FW could pay more if you were ATK. You mentioned it was done "semi-afk". My two ISK. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
MotherMoon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1132	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:58:00 - [16] - Quote fw gives out about 300 million isk in 7 hours of work. That means a bil a week easy http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Pipa Porto 1000	Posted - 2012.09.23 23:02:00 - [17] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were? FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2012.09.23 23:06:00 - [18] - Quote You know, having lived through countless nerf this nerf that, stop this stop that - ya sorta get a bit bored about more rage against the machine. Who actually cares? Why go on about it? Fred Bloggs has 500,000,000,000,000,000,000 isk bla bla. So? Ginger Meggs has 1.2m isk. So? Are you enjoying what YOU do? Just sayin.....
Speaker for TheDead Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.09.23 23:09:00 - [19] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were? FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet. Your logic is flawed. Both give LP, but one is a sink, and one is a faucet?
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 360	Posted - 2012.09.23 23:16:00 - [20] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were? FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet. So you are telling me every price spike that acompanies FW Teir 5 is not inflating the price of PLEX. FYI there are many things that can cause inflation go reread your Freshman econ book for a few hints. Anyhoo... looks like CCP has finally done the math too and realizes that the FW ISK reduction in the LP store is degrading the ISK sink function of LP stores so they are taking it away ( not too soon enough ) Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr so ist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel-á
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 161	Posted - 2012.09.23 23:29:00 - [21] - Quote Just because it says estimated 185 billion, doesn't really mean it is that much. I have found many times the estimated price far outweighs the actual price due to people having outrageous prices on things, like when people want to "launder" ISK. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4831	Posted - 2012.09.23 23:48:00 - [22] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It appears that CCP is too busy collaborating with you null sec zealots again to fix FW. I just read about the new high sec AI that will attack drones, and then the NUMEROUS posts by the dev Fox Four gloating about it. I have to hand it to you guys. You have a well honed machine there: an enormous propaganda team inundating the forums ceaselessly with lies to further your agenda, a CSM dominated by null sec, and then some unknown quantity of very sympathetic dev's. ahahaha "null sec zealots" abloo bloo bloo guess what, nullsec NPCs will attack drones just the same stop getting upset over your risk-free isk firehose having been nerfed tia please leave
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4831	Posted - 2012.09.23 23:52:00 - [23] - Quote Sm4kahm Shalloola wrote: A touch of pot and kettle. this whole Moon Goo thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting TWO expansions to attempt to fix it, BUT in the mean time the FW isk fountain will supplement my other alt characters/PLEX accounts before they do... fix't for you. lol you shut up. CCP has already stated their intention to make alliance income bottom-up rather than top-down so lmao get 0wned please leave
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4832	Posted - 2012.09.23 23:55:00 - [24] - Quote high-sec is full of entitled children who will throw tantrums and unsub, shoot statues and complain whenever CCP even entertains the thought of nerfing one of their hilariously easy-mode PvE isk faucets like incursions and L4s they want to make nullsec levels of income while in highsec and demanding that CCP gives them a thick helmet, elbow and knee pads, training wheels and continues making the space safer and less risky, i.e. crimewatch please leave
Pipa Porto 1000	Posted - 2012.09.24 00:08:00 - [25] - Quote Speaker for TheDead wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were? FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet. Your logic is flawed. Both give LP, but one is a sink, and one is a faucet? Incursions give out massive amounts of ISK, and take a relatively small amount of that ISK to convert the LP. FW gives out LP and no ISK, requiring the economy to sink ISK into it to convert the LP. DarthNefarius wrote: So you are telling me every price spike that acompanies FW Teir 5 is not inflating the price of PLEX. FYI there are many things that can cause inflation go reread your Freshman econ book for a few hints. Anyhoo... looks like CCP has finally done the math too and realizes that the FW ISK reduction in the LP store is degrading the ISK sink function of LP stores so they are taking it away ( not too soon enough ) Generally speaking, Inflation is the increase in the monetary supply relative to everything else. Does FW increase the amount of ISK in the game? Nope, in fact it reduces the amount of ISK in the game. Does FW reduce the amount of everything else? Nope. Do Incursions increase the amount of ISK in the game? Hell, yes. Do Incursions reduce the amount of everything else? Nope. Ergo, Incursions provide an inflationary pressure while FW provides a deflationary pressure on the game's economy. One item increasing in price does not indicate inflation. In the case of PLEX, I'd say that PLEX prices indicate how easy it is to make money; prices go up when it gets easier to make money and down when it gets harder. Regardless, PLEX is not a basket of goods, and you need a basket of goods to measure inflation. When making money is easier, more people want to buy them (as it takes less time to earn a PLEX) and fewer people want to sell (because grinding that ISK instead of selling PLEX is easier). When it's harder, fewer people want to buy them (as it takes more time to earn a PLEX) and more people want to sell (because grinding that ISK instead of selling PLEX is harder). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 1135	Posted - 2012.09.24 00:09:00 - [26] - Quote Rengerel en Distel wrote: Wasn't that the screenshot from the goons before it all got taken away? I was thinking that too... don't think this is real in any event (at least the part of it taking a week is false) Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 744	Posted - 2012.09.24 00:10:00 - [27] - Quote Andski wrote: Sm4kahm Shalloola wrote: A touch of pot and kettle. this whole Moon Goo thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting TWO expansions to attempt to fix it, BUT in the mean time the FW isk fountain will supplement my other alt characters/PLEX accounts before they do... fix't for you. lol you shut up. CCP has already stated their intention to make alliance income bottom-up rather than top-down so lmao get 0wned How is alchemy supposed to accomplish this? I heard SotG and it sounds like they're just screwing things up more than fixing them. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 360	Posted - 2012.09.24 00:16:00 - [28] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: FW gives out LP and no ISK, requiring the economy to sink ISK into it to convert the LP. FW currently ( come winter it no longer will) also reduces the ISK sink per item which overtime is reducing the ISK sink function. Too bad CCP Diagoras isno longer around to publish stats regarding the windfall known as FW. Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr so ist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel-á
baltec1 Bat Country 2257	Posted - 2012.09.24 00:18:00 - [29] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: How is alchemy supposed to accomplish this? I heard SotG and it sounds like they're just screwing things up more than fixing them. The are going to remove moon mining and make it something to mine with a ship.
Rengerel en Distel Amarr Science and Industry 410	Posted - 2012.09.24 00:18:00 - [30] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: FW gives out LP and no ISK, requiring the economy to sink ISK into it to convert the LP. FW currently ( come winter it no longer will) also reduces the ISK sink per item which overtime is reducing the ISK sink function. Too bad CCP Diagoras isno longer around to publish stats regarding the windfall known as FW. Reducing the amount of isk it takes to buy the goods doesn't make it less a sink, just less of a sink. If you spend 20M and make 80M, it's still a sink of 20M, regardless of the profit.

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